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8th Aug '16 10:17:04 AM Agelastos
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** Not entirely discredited. See [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_epigenetic_inheritance Transgenerational epigenetic inheritance]] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contribution_of_epigenetic_modifications_to_evolution Contribution of epigenetic modifications to evolution]] for more information.
4th Aug '16 2:52:18 AM PaulA
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* Crabbit in the MagicKingdomOfLandover series appears to espouse this view. And judging by Mistaya's Character Development while at Libiris, he may be right.

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* Crabbit in the MagicKingdomOfLandover series ''Literature/APrincessOfLandover'' appears to espouse this view. And judging by Mistaya's Character Development CharacterDevelopment while at Libiris, he may be right.
30th Jul '16 11:28:15 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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* This does seem to be justifiable TruthInTelevision when applied to media creators making their characters miserable. One piece of advice for new writers is to make things as difficult as you can for your characters, so the audience may see what they're really made of. Indeed, tortured characters seem to sell very well, as long as it doesn't veer into {{Wangst}} (if what they're made of turns out to be "crybaby") or DeusAngstMachina (which can quickly [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy exhaust and frustrate an audience]], even when handled realistically).

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* This does seem to be justifiable TruthInTelevision when applied to media creators making their characters miserable. One piece of advice for new writers from no less a master than Creator/KurtVonnegut himself is to make things as difficult as you can for your characters, so the audience may see what they're really made of. Indeed, tortured characters seem to sell very well, as long as it doesn't veer into {{Wangst}} (if what they're made of turns out to be "crybaby") or DeusAngstMachina (which can quickly [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy exhaust and frustrate an audience]], even when handled realistically).
26th Jun '16 7:57:54 AM siberia82
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** This is Charles' journey throughout the First Class trilogy; he must suffer a great deal in order to gain the necessary experience and wisdom to become an effective leader of mutants. When his life runs smoothly for too long, he can get complacent and fail to recognize that he's being harmfully paternalistic (such as his overprotectiveness towards Raven), or he doesn't anticipate a looming threat before it's too late (despite Hank's insistence, Xavier doesn't believe that the X-Men is necessary after the events of 1973). Because the hardships he had to endure in the AlternateTimeline are different than in the original timeline, his IcyBlueEyes at the end of ''Film/XMenApocalypse'' indicate that Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Professor X will be more resilient and proactive.

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** This is Charles' journey throughout the First Class trilogy; he must suffer a great deal in order to gain the necessary experience and wisdom to become an effective leader of mutants. When his life runs smoothly for too long, he can get complacent and fail to recognize that he's being harmfully paternalistic (such as his [[Film/XMenFirstClass overprotectiveness towards Raven), Raven]]), or he doesn't anticipate a looming threat before it's too late (despite Hank's insistence, Xavier doesn't believe that the X-Men is necessary required after the [[Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast events of 1973).1973]]). Because the hardships he had to endure in the AlternateTimeline are different than in the original timeline, his IcyBlueEyes at the end of ''Film/XMenApocalypse'' indicate that Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Professor X will be more resilient and proactive.
25th Jun '16 5:45:41 PM siberia82
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* In ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'', Negasonic Teenage Warhead asks her mentor Colossus what the perks of being with the {{X-Men}} are, considering [[DoomMagnet the mansion gets completely destroyed every couple of years]]. Colossus then cheerfully responds that "House blowing up builds character."

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* In ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'', ''Film/XMen'':
** This is Charles' journey throughout the First Class trilogy; he must suffer a great deal in order to gain the necessary experience and wisdom to become an effective leader of mutants. When his life runs smoothly for too long, he can get complacent and fail to recognize that he's being harmfully paternalistic (such as his overprotectiveness towards Raven), or he doesn't anticipate a looming threat before it's too late (despite Hank's insistence, Xavier doesn't believe that the X-Men is necessary after the events of 1973). Because the hardships he had to endure in the AlternateTimeline are different than in the original timeline, his IcyBlueEyes at the end of ''Film/XMenApocalypse'' indicate that Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Professor X will be more resilient and proactive.
** ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'':
Negasonic Teenage Warhead asks her mentor Colossus what the perks of being with the {{X-Men}} are, considering [[DoomMagnet the mansion gets completely destroyed every couple of years]]. Colossus then cheerfully responds that "House blowing up builds character."
17th Jun '16 4:54:49 PM nombretomado
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* According to Red on ''That70sShow'', "In order for [my son] to be a responsible adult, he ''has'' to be miserable now!"

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* According to Red on ''That70sShow'', ''Series/That70sShow'', "In order for [my son] to be a responsible adult, he ''has'' to be miserable now!"
4th Jun '16 8:11:55 PM Taskmaster123
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* ''Franchise/SpiderMan'': Spider-Man's writers tend to go through cycles on this. The character was intended to be a humorous inversion of all the superhero tropes when introduced (he wasn't a kid sidekick, he actually was a kid, he'd get hurt and not be able to pay for medical bills, he was always broke and hurting for cash, etc.) Much of the humor of the ''very'' early books derived from this. However, writers tended to make his world and problems more and more crapsack, until finally the books got too depressing to read. It got so bad in the nineties that Marvel reached back into the past and brought back a clone of Spider-Man, who took over the job. Other characters immediately noticed that Spider-Man suddenly seemed a lot more lighthearted and easygoing. This only lasted awhile, and now you have Back In Black, Brand New Day, Maximum Carnage, Superior Spider-Man, and other storylines that are depressing reads. It's no wonder that sales of Spider-Man books are way down and Spider-Man is started to be supplanted as Marvel's flagship character by Deadpool, whose books are very lighthearted, fun to read, and sell much better that any practically any other Marvel book.
25th May '16 11:42:15 AM NTC3
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* ''Roleplay/WinterVoices'' has this in spades. By facing your hallucinations, past, and fears, you gain experience points which allow you to level up, increase your characteristics (Willpower, Humor, Memory, Perspicacity, Charisma, and Intuition) and gain new skills. [[BluntMetaphorsTrauma Was it made clear that the skill tree is a giant snowflake?]]

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* ''Roleplay/WinterVoices'' ''VideoGame/WinterVoices'' has this in spades. By facing your hallucinations, past, and fears, you gain experience points which allow you to level up, increase your characteristics (Willpower, Humor, Memory, Perspicacity, Charisma, and Intuition) and gain new skills. [[BluntMetaphorsTrauma Was it made clear that the skill tree is a giant snowflake?]]
23rd May '16 6:11:23 AM SeaRover
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** One strip points out that the concept of building character itself is a turnoff for Calvin. After being forced outside by his father, he and Hobbes wind up busy catching fireflies by the time he calls him back inside. After being lectured about how this experience has benefited him (despite ''not'' being a miserable one), he later grumbles that nothing ruins the fun in something like being told that it builds character.
25th Apr '16 2:45:26 PM tomandtish
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**However, given that boxing is generally held to be responsible for his Parkinson's disease, YMMV on if the short-term gains he got in strength and endurance were worth the long-term consequences, much the same way bullying/hazing can cause significant mental health issues.
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