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26th Jun '16 7:57:54 AM siberia82
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** This is Charles' journey throughout the First Class trilogy; he must suffer a great deal in order to gain the necessary experience and wisdom to become an effective leader of mutants. When his life runs smoothly for too long, he can get complacent and fail to recognize that he's being harmfully paternalistic (such as his overprotectiveness towards Raven), or he doesn't anticipate a looming threat before it's too late (despite Hank's insistence, Xavier doesn't believe that the X-Men is necessary after the events of 1973). Because the hardships he had to endure in the AlternateTimeline are different than in the original timeline, his IcyBlueEyes at the end of ''Film/XMenApocalypse'' indicate that Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Professor X will be more resilient and proactive.

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** This is Charles' journey throughout the First Class trilogy; he must suffer a great deal in order to gain the necessary experience and wisdom to become an effective leader of mutants. When his life runs smoothly for too long, he can get complacent and fail to recognize that he's being harmfully paternalistic (such as his [[Film/XMenFirstClass overprotectiveness towards Raven), Raven]]), or he doesn't anticipate a looming threat before it's too late (despite Hank's insistence, Xavier doesn't believe that the X-Men is necessary required after the [[Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast events of 1973).1973]]). Because the hardships he had to endure in the AlternateTimeline are different than in the original timeline, his IcyBlueEyes at the end of ''Film/XMenApocalypse'' indicate that Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Professor X will be more resilient and proactive.
25th Jun '16 5:45:41 PM siberia82
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* In ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'', Negasonic Teenage Warhead asks her mentor Colossus what the perks of being with the {{X-Men}} are, considering [[DoomMagnet the mansion gets completely destroyed every couple of years]]. Colossus then cheerfully responds that "House blowing up builds character."

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* In ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'', ''Film/XMen'':
** This is Charles' journey throughout the First Class trilogy; he must suffer a great deal in order to gain the necessary experience and wisdom to become an effective leader of mutants. When his life runs smoothly for too long, he can get complacent and fail to recognize that he's being harmfully paternalistic (such as his overprotectiveness towards Raven), or he doesn't anticipate a looming threat before it's too late (despite Hank's insistence, Xavier doesn't believe that the X-Men is necessary after the events of 1973). Because the hardships he had to endure in the AlternateTimeline are different than in the original timeline, his IcyBlueEyes at the end of ''Film/XMenApocalypse'' indicate that Creator/JamesMcAvoy's Professor X will be more resilient and proactive.
** ''Film/{{Deadpool|2016}}'':
Negasonic Teenage Warhead asks her mentor Colossus what the perks of being with the {{X-Men}} are, considering [[DoomMagnet the mansion gets completely destroyed every couple of years]]. Colossus then cheerfully responds that "House blowing up builds character."
17th Jun '16 4:54:49 PM nombretomado
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* According to Red on ''That70sShow'', "In order for [my son] to be a responsible adult, he ''has'' to be miserable now!"

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* According to Red on ''That70sShow'', ''Series/That70sShow'', "In order for [my son] to be a responsible adult, he ''has'' to be miserable now!"
4th Jun '16 8:11:55 PM Taskmaster123
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* ''Franchise/SpiderMan'': Spider-Man's writers tend to go through cycles on this. The character was intended to be a humorous inversion of all the superhero tropes when introduced (he wasn't a kid sidekick, he actually was a kid, he'd get hurt and not be able to pay for medical bills, he was always broke and hurting for cash, etc.) Much of the humor of the ''very'' early books derived from this. However, writers tended to make his world and problems more and more crapsack, until finally the books got too depressing to read. It got so bad in the nineties that Marvel reached back into the past and brought back a clone of Spider-Man, who took over the job. Other characters immediately noticed that Spider-Man suddenly seemed a lot more lighthearted and easygoing. This only lasted awhile, and now you have Back In Black, Brand New Day, Maximum Carnage, Superior Spider-Man, and other storylines that are depressing reads. It's no wonder that sales of Spider-Man books are way down and Spider-Man is started to be supplanted as Marvel's flagship character by Deadpool, whose books are very lighthearted, fun to read, and sell much better that any practically any other Marvel book.
25th May '16 11:42:15 AM NTC3
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* ''Roleplay/WinterVoices'' has this in spades. By facing your hallucinations, past, and fears, you gain experience points which allow you to level up, increase your characteristics (Willpower, Humor, Memory, Perspicacity, Charisma, and Intuition) and gain new skills. [[BluntMetaphorsTrauma Was it made clear that the skill tree is a giant snowflake?]]

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* ''Roleplay/WinterVoices'' ''VideoGame/WinterVoices'' has this in spades. By facing your hallucinations, past, and fears, you gain experience points which allow you to level up, increase your characteristics (Willpower, Humor, Memory, Perspicacity, Charisma, and Intuition) and gain new skills. [[BluntMetaphorsTrauma Was it made clear that the skill tree is a giant snowflake?]]
23rd May '16 6:11:23 AM SeaRover
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** One strip points out that the concept of building character itself is a turnoff for Calvin. After being forced outside by his father, he and Hobbes wind up busy catching fireflies by the time he calls him back inside. After being lectured about how this experience has benefited him (despite ''not'' being a miserable one), he later grumbles that nothing ruins the fun in something like being told that it builds character.
25th Apr '16 2:45:26 PM tomandtish
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**However, given that boxing is generally held to be responsible for his Parkinson's disease, YMMV on if the short-term gains he got in strength and endurance were worth the long-term consequences, much the same way bullying/hazing can cause significant mental health issues.
22nd Apr '16 12:17:12 AM KimiFW
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* ''Film/BatmanBegins'' has Bruce endure the TrainingFromHell in order to become Batman. All fueled by the death of his parents and personal vengeance denied to him. His mentor Ducard was similarly motivated by the loss of the woman he loved [[spoiler:though he chose a more [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme path]]]].
* In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', [[spoiler:Bruce becomes stronger from being forced to watch Gotham as descends into anarchy, while he's trapped in a Moroccan prison half a world away, unable to do anything about it.]] [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] when Miranda Tate says this, nearly verbatim, to Bruce Wayne. [[spoiler:Despite the baddies' familiarity with this trope, Bane in particular is utterly shocked when Wayne crawls out of the hole, and manages to destroy them both. It's also - possibly - why Wayne has recovered enough from his childhood trauma to finally quit angsting and enjoy life in the end.]]

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* ** ''Film/BatmanBegins'' has Bruce endure the TrainingFromHell in order to become Batman. All fueled by the death of his parents and personal vengeance denied to him. His mentor Ducard was similarly motivated by the loss of the woman he loved [[spoiler:though he chose a more [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme path]]]].
* ** In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', [[spoiler:Bruce becomes stronger from being forced to watch Gotham as descends into anarchy, while he's trapped in a Moroccan prison half a world away, unable to do anything about it.]] [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] when Miranda Tate says this, nearly verbatim, to Bruce Wayne. [[spoiler:Despite the baddies' familiarity with this trope, Bane in particular is utterly shocked when Wayne crawls out of the hole, and manages to destroy them both. It's also - possibly - why Wayne has recovered enough from his childhood trauma to finally quit angsting and enjoy life in the end.]]
8th Apr '16 4:36:20 PM SilentStranger
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** On the other hand [[spoiler:Casca most definitely did [[BreakTheCutie NOT]] become stronger from her misery.]] After all, this trope only works when applied moderately, not in [[TraumaCongaLine excessive doses.]] It says a lot about the [[DarkFantasy series]] and the [[CrapsackWorld setting]] that Guts' misery can be considered 'moderate'.

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** On the other hand [[spoiler:Casca most definitely did [[BreakTheCutie NOT]] become stronger from her misery.]] After all, this trope only works when applied moderately, not in [[TraumaCongaLine excessive doses.]] It says a lot about the [[DarkFantasy series]] and the [[CrapsackWorld setting]] that Guts' misery can be considered 'moderate'. Of course, Guts "advantage" was that his suffering didnt all happen at once, it came in succesively worse turns, so when the Eclipse happened, he was already tough enough that it didnt completely break him. [[spoiler: Caska, on the other hand, while she didnt have a super fun life, had it relatively easier than Guts. So, then the Eclipse happens, and...]]



* In ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', after the Eds wrongfully accuse Jonny of being a "serial toucher" and sentence him to rolling down a hill in a giant tire, Eddy justifies it by citing the trope. [[spoiler:And given his rather shocking history of abuse from his brother seen in TheMovie, he might just believe it.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy'', after the Eds wrongfully accuse Jonny of being a "serial toucher" (the episode revolved around someone touching and taking the kids things. It later turned out the items were just misplaced) and sentence him to rolling down a hill in a giant tire, Eddy justifies it by citing the trope. [[spoiler:And given his rather shocking history of abuse from his brother seen in TheMovie, he might just believe it.]]



* In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' Stan decided that Steve needed to be bullied for being [[ExtremeDoormat too passive]] and WeakWilled and took up the job himself. In response Steve found the guy who tormented his dad in school on Facebook and paid him to beat Stan up. A few seasons later, it turns out Stan's original lesson was right, and Steve not only gets beaten up by said bully, but also the new bully he had been dealing with.

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* In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' Stan decided that Steve needed to be bullied for being [[ExtremeDoormat too passive]] and WeakWilled and took up the job himself. In response Steve found the guy who tormented his dad in school on Facebook and paid him to beat Stan up. A few seasons later, it turns out Stan's original lesson was right, and Steve not only gets beaten up by said bully, but also the new bully he had been dealing with. Of course, it didnt adress the original problem that Steve is completely physically incapable of fighting, and no amount of bullying is going to solve that.



** After Homer has a massive heart attack and ends up in the hospital needing a quadruple bypass, he asks Dr Hibbert if "what doesnt kill him willl make him stronger". Hibbert points out that this only applies to ''mental'' suffering, and that Homer is currently as weak as a newborn kitten.



* In the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "The List", after Kyle becomes depressed because he's voted as the ugliest boy in school, he is visited by the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, who shows him that ugliness can be a [[BlessedWithSuck blessing in disguise]]: Ugly people have nothing handed to them and they must earn what they seek and thus will develop character, while [[BeautyIsBad beautiful people will have no redeeming character]] when their looks begin to fade.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "The List", after Kyle becomes depressed because he's voted as the ugliest boy in school, he is visited by the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, who shows him that ugliness can be a [[BlessedWithSuck blessing in disguise]]: Ugly people have nothing handed to them and they must earn what they seek and thus will develop character, while [[BeautyIsBad beautiful people will have no redeeming character]] when their looks begin to fade. Subverted at first as Kyle is angered at constantly being told what to feel and that he doesnt want to wait until he's an adult to be happy, but by the end of the episode, its revealed that the list had been faked as part of a plot by some of the girls to get free shoes, Kyle decides against reading the real list and finding out his true status on it, prefering to work on himself rather than base his self esteem on what other people think.
24th Mar '16 12:02:04 AM VVK
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A form of NecessaryFail. Also see IfItTastesBadItMustBeGoodForYou, TeachHimAnger, and WhenIWasYourAge. Please, do not mistake for Creator/StephenKing's [[{{Literature/Misery}} book]], that...goes a little too far from this. Related to TrainingFromHell, TheSpartanWay, BecauseYouCanCope and HadToBeSharp. Invoked by DrillSergeantNasty. See also EnemiesEqualsGreatness if having enemies or detractors makes a character strong.

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A form of NecessaryFail. Also see IfItTastesBadItMustBeGoodForYou, TeachHimAnger, and WhenIWasYourAge. Please, do not mistake for Creator/StephenKing's [[{{Literature/Misery}} book]], that... goes a little too far from this. Related to TrainingFromHell, TheSpartanWay, BecauseYouCanCope and HadToBeSharp. Invoked by DrillSergeantNasty. See also EnemiesEqualsGreatness if having enemies or detractors makes a character strong.
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