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23rd Apr '17 3:46:00 AM Scabbard
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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' episode "Dreamscaperers", Stan claims the reason he's so rough on Dipper is because he's trying to toughen him up, citing the boxing lessons his own dad made him take as a child as an example. Unfortunately, this trope is Deconstructed; Because Stan never showed Dipper much affection, it only took one sentence out of context to convince Dipper that Stan hated him.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' episode "Dreamscaperers", Stan claims the reason he's so rough on Dipper is because he's trying to toughen him up, citing the boxing lessons his own dad made him take as a child as an example. Unfortunately, this trope is Deconstructed; Because deconstructed: because Stan never showed Dipper much affection, affection on top being so hard on him and only him, it only took one sentence out of context to convince Dipper that Stan hated him.
23rd Apr '17 3:45:04 AM Scabbard
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** In ''WesternAnimation/LegendofKorra''[[spoiler: Korra makes a similar statement to Tenzin after she managed to [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talk Kuvira down]], saying that her suffering made her more compassionate]].

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** In ''WesternAnimation/LegendofKorra''[[spoiler: Korra ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendofKorra'' [[spoiler:Korra makes a similar statement to Tenzin after she managed to [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talk Kuvira down]], saying that her suffering made her more compassionate]].
23rd Apr '17 3:44:37 AM Scabbard
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** [[spoiler: Korra makes a similar statement to Tenzin after she managed to [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talk Kuvira down]], saying that her suffering made her more compassionate]].

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** [[spoiler: In ''WesternAnimation/LegendofKorra''[[spoiler: Korra makes a similar statement to Tenzin after she managed to [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath talk Kuvira down]], saying that her suffering made her more compassionate]].
4th Apr '17 11:06:35 AM DustSnitch
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* A couple of deleted scenes in ''Film/BruceAlmighty'' ended up expanding on the consequences of Bruce granting the wishes of every person who prays to him, with God showing Bruce a couple of the people whose prayers he answered and how, though he's made them happy now, they'll actually be worse off in the long run.
-->'''God''': Triumph is born out of struggle, faith is the alchemist. If you want pictures like these, you'll need to use some dark colors.
* A recurring theme in ''Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982''; the years of physical and emotional hardship shape Conan into the powerhouse he becomes as an adult.
* A central theme throughout ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' is Bruce overcoming increasing adversity and hardship to become stronger. Interestingly it also shows a darker side to this trope in that many of the ''villains'' he faces have also been forged by past tragedy and suffering.
** ''Film/BatmanBegins'' has Bruce endure the TrainingFromHell in order to become Batman. All fueled by the death of his parents and personal vengeance denied to him. His mentor Ducard was similarly motivated by the loss of the woman he loved [[spoiler:though he chose a more [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme path]]]].
** In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', [[spoiler:Bruce becomes stronger from being forced to watch Gotham as descends into anarchy, while he's trapped in a Moroccan prison half a world away, unable to do anything about it.]] [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] when Miranda Tate says this, nearly verbatim, to Bruce Wayne. [[spoiler:Despite the baddies' familiarity with this trope, Bane in particular is utterly shocked when Wayne crawls out of the hole, and manages to destroy them both. It's also - possibly - why Wayne has recovered enough from his childhood trauma to finally quit angsting and enjoy life in the end.]]
* ''A Gentle Art'':
-->'''Lance''': Pain, they say, builds character... and you, my dear, are about to have more character than you know what to do with.



* ''Motorama'': A boy with an injured eye will lose his sight if it isn't operated on.
-->'''Darrell''': I guess he'll have to lose his sight. [snip] You see, loss builds character.

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* ''Motorama'': A boy with an injured eye will lose his sight if In the movie version of ''Film/{{Holes}}'', the staff at Camp Green Lake claim the juvenile delinquents are forced to dig holes because it isn't operated on.
-->'''Darrell''': I guess he'll have to lose his sight. [snip] You see, loss
builds character.character. The real reason is [[spoiler:there's a fortune buried somewhere in the dried up lake bed and camp was created to try to find it.]]
* Frank in ''Film/LittleMissSunshine'' tries to teach this to Dwayne, relating the story of Marcel Proust's coming of age and realizing that his difficult and painful teenage years "were the best years of his life, because they made him who he was."
* Film/MajorPayne did this deliberately to mold his students into a cohesive unit. The Guidance Councilor thinks this was an incredibly cynical plan. But by God, it ''worked!'' This became less "making them suffer to be better," which he himself went through, but "making them suffer together equally, and have a shared target of ire," a very common tactic among Drill Instructors, Sports coaches, etc. And yes, it is damned effective if done right.
* ''Film/TheMatrix'': Agent Smith believes this to be humanity's [[PlanetOfHats hat]], citing humanity's refusal to accept the first utopic Matrix as real. Something of an {{inversion}}; he uses this, not as evidence that suffering is good and necessary, but that HumansAreFlawed for needing it.
-->"Some believed that we lacked the programming language to design your 'perfect world,' but I believe that human beings as a species define their existence through ''misery and suffering.''"
* A deleted scene in ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has Rocky talking about how as a kid he would stare into streetlights without blinking and squeeze a ball in his hand until it was unbearably painful. He did this to make himself used to being uncomfortable and tolerate pain better. It paid off ''big time''.



* ''A Gentle Art'':
-->'''Lance''': Pain, they say, builds character... and you, my dear, are about to have more character than you know what to do with.
* Film/MajorPayne did this deliberately to mold his students into a cohesive unit. The Guidance Councilor thinks this was an incredibly cynical plan. But by God, it ''worked!'' This became less "making them suffer to be better," which he himself went through, but "making them suffer together equally, and have a shared target of ire," a very common tactic among Drill Instructors, Sports coaches, etc. And yes, it is damned effective if done right.
* ''Film/TheMatrix'': Agent Smith believes this to be humanity's [[PlanetOfHats hat]], citing humanity's refusal to accept the first utopic Matrix as real. Something of an {{inversion}}; he uses this, not as evidence that suffering is good and necessary, but that HumansAreFlawed for needing it.
-->"Some believed that we lacked the programming language to design your 'perfect world,' but I believe that human beings as a species define their existence through ''misery and suffering.''"
* Invoked by Evilene in ''Film/TheWiz'':
-->''"Suffering is food for the soul. NOW SUFFER!"''



* A central theme throughout ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' is Bruce overcoming increasing adversity and hardship to become stronger. Interestingly it also shows a darker side to this trope in that many of the ''villains'' he faces have also been forged by past tragedy and suffering.
** ''Film/BatmanBegins'' has Bruce endure the TrainingFromHell in order to become Batman. All fueled by the death of his parents and personal vengeance denied to him. His mentor Ducard was similarly motivated by the loss of the woman he loved [[spoiler:though he chose a more [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme path]]]].
** In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', [[spoiler:Bruce becomes stronger from being forced to watch Gotham as descends into anarchy, while he's trapped in a Moroccan prison half a world away, unable to do anything about it.]] [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] when Miranda Tate says this, nearly verbatim, to Bruce Wayne. [[spoiler:Despite the baddies' familiarity with this trope, Bane in particular is utterly shocked when Wayne crawls out of the hole, and manages to destroy them both. It's also - possibly - why Wayne has recovered enough from his childhood trauma to finally quit angsting and enjoy life in the end.]]
* In the movie version of ''Film/{{Holes}}'', the staff at Camp Green Lake claim the juvenile delinquents are forced to dig holes because it builds character. The real reason is [[spoiler:there's a fortune buried somewhere in the dried up lake bed and camp was created to try to find it.]]
* A couple of deleted scenes in ''Film/BruceAlmighty'' ended up expanding on the consequences of Bruce granting the wishes of every person who prays to him, with God showing Bruce a couple of the people whose prayers he answered and how, though he's made them happy now, they'll actually be worse off in the long run.
-->'''God''': Triumph is born out of struggle, faith is the alchemist. If you want pictures like these, you'll need to use some dark colors.
* A deleted scene in ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has Rocky talking about how as a kid he would stare into streetlights without blinking and squeeze a ball in his hand until it was unbearably painful. He did this to make himself used to being uncomfortable and tolerate pain better. It paid off ''big time''.
* Frank in ''Film/LittleMissSunshine'' tries to teach this to Dwayne, relating the story of Marcel Proust's coming of age and realizing that his difficult and painful teenage years "were the best years of his life, because they made him who he was."
* A recurring theme in ''Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982''; the years of physical and emotional hardship shape Conan into the powerhouse he becomes as an adult.

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* A central theme throughout ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' is Bruce overcoming increasing adversity ''Film/{{Whiplash}}'': Fletcher’s “Good Job” speech can be summed up as 'humiliation and hardship to become stronger. Interestingly it also shows a darker side to this trope in that many of the ''villains'' he faces have also been forged by past tragedy self-loathing drive self-improvement, while undeserved praise breeds complacency and suffering.
** ''Film/BatmanBegins'' has Bruce endure the TrainingFromHell in order to become Batman. All fueled by the death of his parents and personal vengeance denied to him. His mentor Ducard was similarly motivated by the loss of the woman he loved [[spoiler:though he chose a more [[WellIntentionedExtremist extreme path]]]].
** In ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'', [[spoiler:Bruce
mediocrity'. This becomes stronger from being forced to watch Gotham [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] as descends Fletcher's regimen does improve his students proficiency as musicians, [[TookALevelInJerkass but turns them into anarchy, while he's trapped in a Moroccan prison half a world away, unable to do anything about it.]] [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] when Miranda Tate says this, nearly verbatim, to Bruce Wayne. [[spoiler:Despite the baddies' familiarity with this trope, Bane in particular is utterly shocked when Wayne crawls out of the hole, cutthroat jerks at best,]] and manages to destroy renders them both. It's also - possibly - why Wayne has recovered enough from his childhood trauma to finally quit angsting and enjoy life [[SanitySlippage psychologically broken]] at worst.
* Invoked by Evilene
in ''Film/TheWiz'':
-->''"Suffering is food for
the end.]]
* In the movie version of ''Film/{{Holes}}'', the staff at Camp Green Lake claim the juvenile delinquents are forced to dig holes because it builds character. The real reason is [[spoiler:there's a fortune buried somewhere in the dried up lake bed and camp was created to try to find it.]]
* A couple of deleted scenes in ''Film/BruceAlmighty'' ended up expanding on the consequences of Bruce granting the wishes of every person who prays to him, with God showing Bruce a couple of the people whose prayers he answered and how, though he's made them happy now, they'll actually be worse off in the long run.
-->'''God''': Triumph is born out of struggle, faith is the alchemist. If you want pictures like these, you'll need to use some dark colors.
* A deleted scene in ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has Rocky talking about how as a kid he would stare into streetlights without blinking and squeeze a ball in his hand until it was unbearably painful. He did this to make himself used to being uncomfortable and tolerate pain better. It paid off ''big time''.
* Frank in ''Film/LittleMissSunshine'' tries to teach this to Dwayne, relating the story of Marcel Proust's coming of age and realizing that his difficult and painful teenage years "were the best years of his life, because they made him who he was."
* A recurring theme in ''Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982''; the years of physical and emotional hardship shape Conan into the powerhouse he becomes as an adult.
soul. NOW SUFFER!"''



* ''Literature/TheBible'': The Apostle Paul discusses this in [[Literature/BookOfRomans Romans]] [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%205:3-5&version=ESV5: 3-5]], where he notes that suffering builds endurance, endurance builds character, and character builds hope. Considering the time period, he and many of the other Christians that were physically tortured and martyred for their faith knew what they were talking about from many experiences they could count by the lashes on their backs.

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* ''Literature/TheBible'': The Apostle Paul discusses this in [[Literature/BookOfRomans Romans]] the Literature/BookOfRomans [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%205:3-5&version=ESV5: 3-5]], where he notes that suffering builds endurance, endurance builds character, and character builds hope. Considering the time period, he and many of the other Christians that were physically tortured and martyred for their faith knew what they were talking about from many experiences they could count by the lashes on their backs.
22nd Mar '17 10:07:58 PM Fireblood
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* During most of his public sparring sections heavyweight boxer, UsefulNotes/MuhammadAli, would intentionally let bigger men, like Larry Holmes, beat him up in the ring without showing any of his offensive skills. This was so he could master taking punishment and have better defensive reflexes. It paid off during his historical victory against "Big" George Foreman in Zaire Africa, when he [[RopeADope laid against the ropes and let Foreman tire himself out by taking punishment]].

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* During most of his public sparring sections heavyweight boxer, UsefulNotes/MuhammadAli, boxer UsefulNotes/MuhammadAli would intentionally let bigger men, like Larry Holmes, beat him up in the ring without showing any of his offensive skills. This was so he could master taking punishment and have better defensive reflexes. It paid off during his historical victory against "Big" George Foreman in Zaire Africa, when he [[RopeADope laid against the ropes and let Foreman tire himself out by taking punishment]].



* Unhappy with the way his shy, sensitive son Rudolph was turning out, Emperor Franz Joseph I. of Austria deliberately invoked this, assigning a DrillSergeantNasty-type to 'toughen the boy up'. It [[DrivenToSuicide ended up backfiring rather spectacularly.]]

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* Unhappy with the way his shy, sensitive son Rudolph Rudolf was turning out, Emperor Franz Joseph I. of Austria deliberately invoked this, assigning a DrillSergeantNasty-type to 'toughen the boy up'. It [[DrivenToSuicide [[MurderSuicide ended up backfiring rather spectacularly.]]



* The actor and musician Creator/HughLaurie was raised Presbyterian with the idea that all fun is suspicious. He has stated that he thinks he may be incapable of having fun, and describes his relationship to pleasurable things as such: "I have this thing in my head... if a thing is pleasurable it can't be any good.. I try to flip it the other way and make it not pleasurable to make it good- which is insane, it doesn't make any sort of sense".

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* The actor and musician Creator/HughLaurie was raised Presbyterian with the idea that all fun is suspicious. He has stated that he thinks he may be incapable of having fun, and describes his relationship to pleasurable things as such: "I have this thing in my head... if a thing is pleasurable it can't be any good.. I try to flip it the other way and make it not pleasurable to make it good- which good-which is insane, it doesn't make any sort of sense".



* Played straight by Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius, who in the age of e12 he wanted to become an ascetic and chose Stoic philosophy. He is known as one of the best emperors of the Roman Empire.
** and ''horribly'' backfired on his son Commodus, who was raised in a similar way. He became a weak-minded and cruel sybarite, who enjoyed luxuries and extravaganza, and admired physical prowess and pleasures.

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* Played straight by Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius, who in at the age of e12 he 12 wanted to become an ascetic and chose Stoic philosophy. He is known as one of the best emperors of the Roman Empire.
** and It ''horribly'' backfired on his son Commodus, who was raised in a similar way. He became a weak-minded and cruel sybarite, who enjoyed luxuries and extravaganza, and admired physical prowess and pleasures.
13th Mar '17 10:19:42 AM Discar
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* ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'': Misery is the most important key to becoming a Surgebinder. The soul needs to crack so that power can flow in and shore up the fissures. While it is possible to be born with a cracked soul (mental illness), it is more common for the proto-Surgebinder to go through hell and gain their powers that way.
1st Mar '17 9:45:38 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The entire New Japan system is based on this, and while similarities exist some of their regional rivals({{All Japan|ProWrestling}}, Wrestling/{{FMW}}, etc) it's NJPW that's most famous because the characteristic they're tying to build is ''[[DrivenByEnvy envy]]'', which their strong style is supposed to be a physical representation of. From the beginning "Young Boys" are forced to live in claustrophobic quarters when they aren't waiting on established wrestler hand and foot, having to do drills in thousands of repetitions if they mess anything up-if they're lucky and don't get stuck with one of the many {{sadist teacher|}}s who'll really make sure they suffer. Then they're allowed to wrestle as "Young Lions" but restricted to using only the most boring and or most obvious moves to ensure [[{{jobber}} they'll lose as often as possible to anyone who knows what they're doing]]. Then when the IWGP deems them masters of these "fundamentals" they're sent on "excursion", often to foreign country, usually to some place where the wrestling style is different from what they're used to, to ensure whatever they've been thinking of but now allowed to do won't work and they'll lose even more until they learn to adapt. If nothing else, it's believed those who graduate from the "young lion" designation will appreciate any success they manage to achieve in New Japan, though it tends to produce ''a lot'' of {{arrogant kung fu guy|}}s who go on to become the aforementioned sadist teachers.[[/folder]]

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* The entire New Japan Wrestling/{{New Japan|ProWrestling}} system is based on this, and while similarities exist some of their regional rivals({{All rivals(Wrestling/{{All Japan|ProWrestling}}, Wrestling/{{FMW}}, etc) it's NJPW that's most famous because the characteristic they're tying to build is ''[[DrivenByEnvy envy]]'', which their strong style is supposed to be a physical representation of. From the beginning "Young Boys" are forced to live in claustrophobic quarters when they aren't waiting on established wrestler hand and foot, having to do drills in thousands of repetitions if they mess anything up-if they're lucky and don't get stuck with one of the many {{sadist teacher|}}s who'll really make sure they suffer. Then they're allowed to wrestle as "Young Lions" but restricted to using only the most boring and or most obvious moves to ensure [[{{jobber}} they'll lose as often as possible to anyone who knows what they're doing]]. Then when the IWGP deems them masters of these "fundamentals" they're sent on "excursion", often to foreign country, usually to some place where the wrestling style is different from what they're used to, to ensure whatever they've been thinking of but now allowed to do won't work and they'll lose even more until they learn to adapt. If nothing else, it's believed those who graduate from the "young lion" designation will appreciate any success they manage to achieve in New Japan, though it tends to produce ''a lot'' of {{arrogant kung fu guy|}}s who go on to become the aforementioned sadist teachers.[[/folder]]
1st Mar '17 9:43:18 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The entire New Japan system is based on this, and while similarities exist some of their regional rivals({{All Japan|ProWrestling}}, Wrestling/{{FMW}}, etc) it's NJPW that's most famous because the characteristic they're tying to build is ''[[DrivenByEnvy envy]]'', which their strong style is supposed to be a physical representation of. From the beginning "Young Boys" are forced to live in claustrophobic quarters when they aren't waiting on established wrestler hand and foot, having to do drills in thousands of repetitions if they mess anything up-if they're lucky and don't get stuck with one of the many {{sadist teacher|}}s who'll really make sure they suffer. Then they're allowed to wrestle as "Young Lions" but restricted to using only the most boring and or most obvious moves to ensure [[{{jobber}} they'll lose as often as possible to anyone who knows what they're doing]]. Then when the IWGP deems them masters of these "fundamentals" they're sent on "excursion", often to foreign country, usually to some place where the wrestling style is different from what they're used to, to ensure whatever they've been thinking of but now allowed to do won't work and they'll lose even more until they learn to adapt. If nothing else, it's believed those who graduate from the "young lion" designation will appreciate any success they manage to achieve in New Japan, though it tends to produce ''a lot'' of {{arrogant kung fu guy|s}} who go on to become the aforementioned sadist teachers.[[/folder]]

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* The entire New Japan system is based on this, and while similarities exist some of their regional rivals({{All Japan|ProWrestling}}, Wrestling/{{FMW}}, etc) it's NJPW that's most famous because the characteristic they're tying to build is ''[[DrivenByEnvy envy]]'', which their strong style is supposed to be a physical representation of. From the beginning "Young Boys" are forced to live in claustrophobic quarters when they aren't waiting on established wrestler hand and foot, having to do drills in thousands of repetitions if they mess anything up-if they're lucky and don't get stuck with one of the many {{sadist teacher|}}s who'll really make sure they suffer. Then they're allowed to wrestle as "Young Lions" but restricted to using only the most boring and or most obvious moves to ensure [[{{jobber}} they'll lose as often as possible to anyone who knows what they're doing]]. Then when the IWGP deems them masters of these "fundamentals" they're sent on "excursion", often to foreign country, usually to some place where the wrestling style is different from what they're used to, to ensure whatever they've been thinking of but now allowed to do won't work and they'll lose even more until they learn to adapt. If nothing else, it's believed those who graduate from the "young lion" designation will appreciate any success they manage to achieve in New Japan, though it tends to produce ''a lot'' of {{arrogant kung fu guy|s}} guy|}}s who go on to become the aforementioned sadist teachers.[[/folder]]
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* The entire New Japan system is based on this, and while similarities exist some of their regional rivals({{All Japan|ProWrestling}}, Wrestling/{{FMW}}, etc) it's NJPW that's most famous because the characteristic they're tying to build is ''[[DrivenByEnvy envy]]'', which their strong style is supposed to be a physical representation of. From the beginning "Young Boys" are forced to live in claustrophobic quarters when they aren't waiting on established wrestler hand and foot, having to do drills in thousands of repetitions if they mess anything up-if they're lucky and don't get stuck with one of the many {{sadist teacher|}}s who'll really make sure they suffer. Then they're allowed to wrestle as "Young Lions" but restricted to using only the most boring and or most obvious moves to ensure [[{{jobber}} they'll lose as often as possible to anyone who knows what they're doing]]. Then when the IWGP deems them masters of these "fundamentals" they're sent on "excursion", often to foreign country, usually to some place where the wrestling style is different from what they're used to, to ensure whatever they've been thinking of but now allowed to do won't work and they'll lose even more until they learn to adapt. If nothing else, it's believed those who graduate from the "young lion" designation will appreciate any success they manage to achieve in New Japan, though it tends to produce ''a lot'' of {{arrogant kung fu guy|s}} who go on to become the aforementioned sadist teachers.[[/folder]]
1st Mar '17 9:00:25 AM matruz
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* [[VideoGame/SilentHill3 Claudia Wolfe]] believes this to a [[UpToEleven frightening degree]], deeming pain and hatred to be the best nourishment for [[EldritchAbomination God]] during Her incubation process [[spoiler: [[FetusTerrible inside Heather]]]]. Since [[VillainHasAPoint happy people can be]] [[ObliviouslyEvil thoughtless]] and [[LackOfEmpathy cruel]], God [[InsaneTrollLogic logically]] [[ConverseError needs to witness as much suffering as possible to truly understand humanity's needs]]. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong

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* [[VideoGame/SilentHill3 Claudia Wolfe]] believes this to a [[UpToEleven frightening degree]], deeming pain and hatred to be the best nourishment for [[EldritchAbomination God]] during Her incubation process [[spoiler: [[FetusTerrible inside Heather]]]]. Since [[VillainHasAPoint happy people can be]] [[ObliviouslyEvil thoughtless]] and [[LackOfEmpathy cruel]], God [[InsaneTrollLogic logically]] [[ConverseError needs to witness as much suffering as possible to truly understand humanity's needs]]. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrongWhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong.
* In ''Videogame/{{Bully}}'' the principal of Bullworth Academy thinks this, at one point Jimmy points out to him how the school is full of bullies, to which he cheerfully replies that "It builds character!".
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