History Main / MethuselahSyndrome

1st Mar '16 10:17:58 AM MsChibi
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The tendency for ancient and fantasy settings to show humans having very long lifespans despite the lack of any established medical science. People will routinely live to a century or better while remaining lucid and active. Might or might not be explained as AWizardDidIt in the case of magical characters, or EnlightenmentSuperpowers for spiritual ones. Because in fiction age automatically equals wisdom rather than, say, the gradual death of brain cells, he frequently is an OldMaster or a [[{{Mentors}} mentor]]. (Of course, research on senility-due-to-age has been skewed by mental illnesses like Alzheimers; people without those diseases can do very well, but those diseases are all too common.)

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The tendency for ancient and fantasy settings to show humans having very [[LongLived long lifespans lifespans]] despite the lack of any established medical science. People will routinely live to a century or better while remaining lucid and active. Might or might not be explained as AWizardDidIt in the case of magical characters, or EnlightenmentSuperpowers for spiritual ones. Because in fiction age automatically equals wisdom rather than, say, the gradual death of brain cells, he frequently is an OldMaster or a [[{{Mentors}} mentor]]. (Of course, research on senility-due-to-age has been skewed by mental illnesses like Alzheimers; people without those diseases can do very well, but those diseases are all too common.)
28th Feb '16 11:32:32 AM MsChibi
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* In ''Anime/KyoKaraMaoh'', the residents of Shin Makokou live for a ''very'' long time. Wolfram, for example, is supposed to be 83, but looks (and frankly, acts) like he's no older than 16.
21st Jan '16 2:26:25 AM TARINunit9
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** Another important thing to note is that some versions of the Bible claim that God one day decided that humans lived WAY too long, and decreed that they would live no more than 120 years from that day forward (note that considering the world record for longest life is 121, this has been disproven, unless you go with the interpretation that he set the average maximum human lifespan, instead of the maximum.) long before the Great Flood.

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** Another important thing to note is that some versions of the Bible claim that God one day decided that humans lived WAY too long, and decreed that they would live no more than 120 years from that day forward (note that considering the current confirmed world record for longest life is 121, 121; depending on how you view this has been disproven, unless you go with the interpretation that he set the average maximum human lifespan, instead of the maximum.) it's either disproven or spot-on) long before the Great Flood.
23rd Dec '15 8:35:13 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* The TropeNamer is Methuselah from the [[Literature/TheBible biblical]] Literature/BookOfGenesis. He lives 969 years, longer than any human in the Bible. That said, ''most'' humans from before the flood have a given age of several centuries. After the flood, human lifespan gradually decreases to closer to what it is now. There are several figures after this point who are said to have lived just over one hundred, which is technically possible but still unlikely for an ancient Hebrew. In the books after the Pentateuch, which took place much closer to the time of the lives of their writers, people live somewhat more reasonable lifespans.
** However, a handful of modern scholars think that was a mistranlation and that years meant months. So while 969 months (Just under 81 years) is rather long for the time it's still within the human lifespan, but the problem with this is we have characters fathering children at 5 or 6 years of age.

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Methuselah from the [[Literature/TheBible biblical]] Literature/BookOfGenesis. He Literature/BookOfGenesis lives 969 years, longer than any human in the Bible. That said, ''most'' humans from before the flood have a given age of several centuries. After the flood, human lifespan gradually decreases to closer to what it is now. There are several figures after this point who are said to have lived just over one hundred, which is technically possible but still unlikely for an ancient Hebrew. In the books after the Pentateuch, which took place much closer to the time of the lives of their writers, people live somewhat more reasonable lifespans.
** However, a handful of modern scholars think that was a mistranlation and that years meant months. So while 969 months (Just under 81 years) is rather long for the time it's still within the human lifespan, but the problem with this is we have characters fathering children at 5 or 6 years of age. (The biggest problem here is, the Book of Genesis doesn't mention anything about these people except their names and ages; no details about how years were measured or what sort of calendar was used. Some Biblical scholars believe that the names and ages mean nothing at all, and were included to give the impression of a long period of time between Adam and Noah.)
2nd Dec '15 8:16:05 PM rjd1922
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** Another important thing to note is that some versions of the Bible claim that God one day decided that humans lived WAY too long, and decreed that they would live no more than 120 years from that day forward(note that considering the world record for longest life is 121, this has been disproven, unless you go with the interpretation that he set the average maximum human lifespan, instead of the maximum.) long before the Great Flood.

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** Another important thing to note is that some versions of the Bible claim that God one day decided that humans lived WAY too long, and decreed that they would live no more than 120 years from that day forward(note forward (note that considering the world record for longest life is 121, this has been disproven, unless you go with the interpretation that he set the average maximum human lifespan, instead of the maximum.) long before the Great Flood.
2nd Dec '15 8:14:58 PM rjd1922
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* Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun. Seriously, these guys never died (much to UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson's dismay). Clay and Calhoun were elected to Congress as ''Jeffersonian'' Republicans (AKA Democrats) in '''1810.''' Henry Clay then went onto a long political career, ran for president of the United States three times (1824, as a Democratic-Republican, 1832, as a ''National'' Republican, and 1844, as a Whig) before dying as the '''[[UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar Civil War]]''' approached. Basically, he lived through four party changes, and when he died the Whig party pretty much fell apart. Calhoun didn't live as long, but was ''John Quincy Adams' '' Vice-President, and then went onto a very long political career that ''involved practically getting the South to secede from the United States in 1850.'' They may not have lived to be 600 years old, (in fact, they died in their seventies) but Clay and Calhoun are mention more often in the AP US History book than George Washington, Lincoln, FDR, or pretty much any president. Clay, in fact, is mentioned in one book starting about page 200 and then dies on page '''five-hundred six'''. Even though several modern-day politicians spend just as long or even longer in Congress as they did, most of them don't really have much impact on the country.

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* Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun. Seriously, these guys never died (much to UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson's dismay). Clay and Calhoun were elected to Congress as ''Jeffersonian'' Republicans (AKA Democrats) in '''1810.''' Henry Clay then went onto a long political career, ran for president of the United States three times (1824, as a Democratic-Republican, 1832, as a ''National'' Republican, and 1844, as a Whig) before dying as the '''[[UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar Civil War]]''' approached. Basically, he lived through four party changes, and when he died the Whig party pretty much fell apart. Calhoun didn't live as long, but was ''John Quincy Adams' '' Vice-President, and then went onto a very long political career that ''involved practically getting the South to secede from the United States in 1850.'' They may not have lived to be 600 years old, (in fact, they died in their seventies) but Clay and Calhoun are mention mentioned more often in the AP US History book than George Washington, Lincoln, FDR, or pretty much any president. Clay, in fact, is mentioned in one book starting about page 200 and then dies on page '''five-hundred six'''. Even though several modern-day politicians spend just as long or even longer in Congress as they did, most of them don't really have much impact on the country.
8th Oct '15 2:18:38 PM DaibhidC
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** This is made even more impressive since the disc runs on AlternativeCalendar where a year is equal to 800 days. This means that in regular earth years Windle nearly reached the age of 285.
3rd Oct '15 9:08:27 AM BrendanRizzo
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* Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun. Seriously, these guys never died (much to UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson's dismay). Clay and Calhoun were elected to Congress as ''Jeffersonian'' Republicans (AKA Democrats) in '''1810.''' Henry Clay then went onto a long political career, ran for president of the United States three times (1824, as a Democratic-Republican, 1832, as a ''National'' Republican, and 1844, as a Whig) before dying as the '''[[UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar Civil War]]''' approached. Basically, he lived through four party changes, and when he died the Whig party pretty much fell apart. Calhoun didn't live as long, but was ''John Quincy Adams' '' Vice-President, and then went onto a very long political career that ''involved practically getting the South to secede from the United States in 1850.'' They may not have lived to be 600 years old, but Clay and Calhoun are mention more often in the AP US History book than George Washington, Lincoln, FDR, or pretty much any president. Clay, in fact, is mentioned in one book starting about page 200 and then dies on page '''five-hundred six'''.

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* Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun. Seriously, these guys never died (much to UsefulNotes/AndrewJackson's dismay). Clay and Calhoun were elected to Congress as ''Jeffersonian'' Republicans (AKA Democrats) in '''1810.''' Henry Clay then went onto a long political career, ran for president of the United States three times (1824, as a Democratic-Republican, 1832, as a ''National'' Republican, and 1844, as a Whig) before dying as the '''[[UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar Civil War]]''' approached. Basically, he lived through four party changes, and when he died the Whig party pretty much fell apart. Calhoun didn't live as long, but was ''John Quincy Adams' '' Vice-President, and then went onto a very long political career that ''involved practically getting the South to secede from the United States in 1850.'' They may not have lived to be 600 years old, (in fact, they died in their seventies) but Clay and Calhoun are mention more often in the AP US History book than George Washington, Lincoln, FDR, or pretty much any president. Clay, in fact, is mentioned in one book starting about page 200 and then dies on page '''five-hundred six'''. Even though several modern-day politicians spend just as long or even longer in Congress as they did, most of them don't really have much impact on the country.


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** The actual longest-lived member of Congress was probably Strom Thurmond, who was re-elected to the Senate at age 100. He had unsuccessfully run for President in the "Dixiecrat" faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, and the people of South Carolina continually re-elected him to office well into the new millennium.
26th Sep '15 10:11:36 AM rjd1922
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** WordOfGod says that the average life expectance for a British wizard or witch(or presumably [[MuggleBornOfMages squib]]) is 134.75

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** WordOfGod says that the average life expectance for a British wizard or witch(or witch (or presumably [[MuggleBornOfMages squib]]) is 134.7575.



** Ron's Auntie Muriel, who in spite being younger than Dumbledore, Marchbanks

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** Ron's Auntie Great-Aunt Muriel, who in spite being younger than Dumbledore, MarchbanksMarchbanks, and Bagshot, is still 107 years old.



** And if you think Armando Dippet was old, the oldest wizard on record, Barry Wee Willie Winkle, celebrated his ''755th'' birthday on August 14, 1991. He invited every witch and wizard he'd ever known, for a total for about 30 million! Ironically, he's actually lived longer than Nicholas Flamel([[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot who is known to exist by never makes an appearance]]) the legendary alchemist who invented the Elixir of Immortality!

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** And if you think Armando Dippet was old, the oldest wizard on record, Barry Wee Willie Winkle, celebrated his ''755th'' birthday on August 14, 1991. He invited every witch and wizard he'd ever known, for a total for about 30 million! Ironically, he's actually lived longer than Nicholas Flamel([[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Flamel ([[TheGhost who is known to exist by never makes an appearance]]) the legendary alchemist who invented the Elixir of Immortality!
23rd Sep '15 11:51:19 AM Morgenthaler
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* The original ''{{Redwall}}'' book actually ''had'' a very old character named Methuselah, who was killed about midway into the book. Also, it's noted that badgers, especially Badger Lords, can live four times longer than the other species - most of Mossflower's creatures measure time in "seasons", so evidently Mossflower's badgers age at the same rate as real-life humans.
* Humans in the BibleTimes era of ManyWaters age incredibly slowly, reaching adulthood around 100.

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* The original ''{{Redwall}}'' ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' book actually ''had'' a very old character named Methuselah, who was killed about midway into the book. Also, it's noted that badgers, especially Badger Lords, can live four times longer than the other species - most of Mossflower's creatures measure time in "seasons", so evidently Mossflower's badgers age at the same rate as real-life humans.
* Humans in the BibleTimes era of ManyWaters ''Literature/ManyWaters'' age incredibly slowly, reaching adulthood around 100.
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