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12th Jun '17 1:33:13 AM DrPopo
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* 2015 ''ComicBook/AForce'' deconstructs it. Arcadia is a supposed feminist utopia, but the book quickly shows how this paradise is meaningless and undermined by the fact that it's a single bright spot in a CrapsackWorld and subservient to its despotical ruler.
30th May '17 10:55:18 AM Gravidef
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* In ''Film/LittleBuddha'', the King attempts to invoke this when his son, the Prince Siddhartha decides to leave the palace to learn more about the world. The whole city seems to live in the same splendor the Prince does, it seems like he has no reason to leave his home... until Siddhartha sees a poor beggar wander into the crowd who is then hauled away by the guards. This revelation about the world is one of the things that causes Siddhartha to begin a journey that will ultimately lead him to become the Buddha.

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* In ''Film/LittleBuddha'', ''Little Buddha'', the King attempts to invoke this when his son, the Prince Siddhartha decides to leave the palace to learn more about the world. The whole city seems to live in the same splendor the Prince does, so it seems like he has no reason to leave his home... until Siddhartha sees a poor beggar wander into the crowd who is then hauled away by the guards. This revelation about the world is one of the things that causes Siddhartha to begin a journey that will ultimately lead him to become the Buddha.Buddha.
* ''Film/{{Pleasantville}}'' is a thorough [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstruction]] of this trope. Main character David thinks that the titular town, which shares its name with the [[ShowWithinAShow television program in the film]], is this: everything seems happy and idyllic, the town is permanently in the "nice" part of TheFifties (no greasers/rock 'n roll/war, etc.), and all problems are resolved in thirty short minutes. But when David and his sister Jennifer are [[TrappedInTVLand sucked into the show]], he discovers just how miserable it is: none of the books have any print in them, everybody's happy [[StepfordSmiler because they're mandated to be]], nobody has any sex whatsoever (to the point where Jennifer teaching her sitcom "mother" to [[ADateWithRosiePalms masturbate]] and experience orgasm for the first time causes a nearby tree to ''burst into flame''), and the town's Main Street ends in a circle--there's no getting out of it whatsoever. By the end, David and Jennifer have transformed the town into a place that's not nearly as perfect, but much more human and genuine.
25th May '17 10:02:22 AM ZemplinTemplar
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* ''[[Literature/TheDraka The Domination of Draka]]'' is an odd case, best described as a VillainSue-topia. Supposedly a study in the nature of evil on a metatextual level and possessed of a social structure resembling a pre-emancipation Caribbean "sugar island" (small citizenry ruling over several times their number of slaves) massively scaled up. The question is how the Draka manage to constantly display every martial virtue in the book for generations, become a beacon of gender equality, ''and'' retain an advantage in technological innovation that does not begin to narrow until the late 20th century (the notational POD is in the late 1700s). Furthermore, as [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/gateway/analyses/Drakaproblems.html this site]] notes, a large part of their success comes from a mixture of Author Favoritism and the fact that every other nation is handed the IdiotBall regarding them until it's much too late.

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* ''[[Literature/TheDraka The Domination of Draka]]'' is an odd case, best described as a VillainSue-topia. Supposedly a study in the nature of evil on a metatextual level and possessed of a social structure resembling a pre-emancipation Caribbean "sugar island" (small citizenry ruling over several times their number of slaves) massively scaled up. The question is how the Draka manage to constantly display every martial virtue in the book for generations, become a beacon of gender equality, ''and'' retain an advantage in technological innovation that does not begin to narrow until the late 20th century (the notational POD is in the late 1700s). Furthermore, as [[http://www.[[http://web.archive.org/web/20040811181838/http://gateway.alternatehistory.com/gateway/analyses/Drakaproblems.com:80/reviews-set.html this site]] this]] and [[http://web.archive.org/web/20040811181838/http://gateway.alternatehistory.com:80/reviews-set.html this]] article notes, a large part of their success comes from a mixture of [[CreatorsPet Author Favoritism Favoritism]] and the fact that every other nation is handed the IdiotBall regarding them until it's much too late.
31st Mar '17 4:00:09 PM nombretomado
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* ''ComicBook/LiberalityForAll'': OsamaBinLaden as an ambassador because the US have become "too liberal"? [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] trying to kill the last living [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_Eagle bald eagle]] (notice the "least concern" conservation status) because "euthanasia is more humane"? Yeah, they go there.

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* ''ComicBook/LiberalityForAll'': OsamaBinLaden UsefulNotes/OsamaBinLaden as an ambassador because the US have become "too liberal"? [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] trying to kill the last living [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_Eagle bald eagle]] (notice the "least concern" conservation status) because "euthanasia is more humane"? Yeah, they go there.
27th Feb '17 2:07:38 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* The Elven Kingdom in ''Literature/TheElfslayerChronicles'' is peaceful, has very little crime (they don't even have holding cells), is egalitarian enough to let their princess play with peasant children, is non-materialistic, accepting of homosexuality, and its people are great artisans.

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* The Elven Kingdom in ''Literature/TheElfslayerChronicles'' ''WebOriginal/TheElfslayerChronicles'' is peaceful, has very little crime (they don't even have holding cells), is egalitarian enough to let their princess play with peasant children, is non-materialistic, accepting of homosexuality, and its people are great artisans.
27th Feb '17 12:38:01 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* The Elven Kingdom in ''Literature/TheElfslayerChronicles'' is peaceful, has very little crime (they don't even have holding cells), is egalitarian enough to let their princess play with peasant children, is non-materialistic, accepting of homosexuality, and its people are great artisans.
9th Feb '17 3:04:20 AM Kadorhal
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* Deconstructed by the ''VideoGame/BioShock'' series; the societies you find yourself wandering through were founded upon a single core philosophy (objectivism in ''VideoGame/BioShock1'', an anti-objectivist credo of absolute altruism in ''VideoGame/BioShock2'', and American exceptionalism in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'') and did indeed start off as Mary Suetopias. By the time YOU show up, though, the religious adherence of their citizens to these philosophies have brought to light a few minor flaws therein; flaws which have forced the cities' founders to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the monsters they fought]] (a cruel irony they're all too aware of), and have caused society to crumble into a state of violent anarchy, the exception being ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite''... [[FromBadToWorse where it's pretty clear the founders STARTED as monsters.]]

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* Deconstructed by the ''VideoGame/BioShock'' series; the societies you find yourself wandering through were founded upon a single core philosophy (objectivism in ''VideoGame/BioShock1'', an anti-objectivist credo of absolute altruism in ''VideoGame/BioShock2'', and American exceptionalism in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'') and did indeed start off as Mary Suetopias. By the time YOU show up, though, the religious adherence of their citizens to these philosophies have brought to light a few minor flaws therein; flaws which have forced the cities' founders to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the monsters they fought]] (a cruel irony they're all too aware of), and have caused society to crumble into a state of violent anarchy, the anarchy. The exception being ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite''... [[FromBadToWorse to this is ''Infinite'', where it's pretty clear the founders STARTED ''[[FromBadToWorse started]]'' as monsters.]]
8th Feb '17 4:36:42 AM SuperFeatherYoshi
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** Which is really confusing, considering that in the show, Orb has no allies, no diplomacy, and a pathetically weak military compared to the other two superpowers. Because of all these, it was invaded and nearly destroyed ''twice''.
2nd Feb '17 9:18:57 PM Monsund
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* Ylisse is a deconstruction of this in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. It's a peaceful and pious nation, ruled by a kindhearted and wise young woman... but it only got there after the previous ruler basically ran the country into the ground through an endless war with Plegia (and it took Emmeryn YEARS to get things in order... and we're talking about [[AChildShallLeadThem a woman who became queen at age NINE]]), and the "peaceful" part comes to bite them in the ass early on, when Ylisse finds itself completely unable to resist a Plegian invasion without help from their battle-loving northern neighbors.

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* Ylisse is a deconstruction of this in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. It's a peaceful and pious nation, ruled by a kindhearted and wise young woman... but it only got there after the previous ruler basically ran the country into the ground through an endless war with the Grimleal in Plegia [[note]][[WellIntentionedExtremist for a good cause though]][[/note]] (and it took Emmeryn YEARS to get things in order... and we're talking about [[AChildShallLeadThem a woman who became queen at age NINE]]), and the "peaceful" part comes to bite them in the ass early on, when Ylisse finds itself completely unable to resist a Plegian invasion without help from their battle-loving northern neighbors.neighbors.
* Played straight for the most part in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' with the [[{{Wutai}} Kingdom of Hoshido]], a land so bountiful and filled with light that its neighbor, [[{{Mordor}} Nohr,]] repeatedly attacks in naked aggression without even bothering to ''ask'' for aid or alliance. The land is covered in a barrier that makes [[CareBearStare invaders lose all warmongering impulses]]. The former king and current queen are paragons of virtue, and the kingdom itself is always presented as being on the morally higher ground compared to Nohr, and this even carries over if you pick the ''Invisible Kingdom'' route in which you pick neither side. Whatever [[ALighterShadeOfGrey grayer]] spots of Hoshido are mentioned are either mentioned in passing ([[spoiler:Azura's kidnapping by Hoshidan shinobi and experiencing severe racism while growing up there; despite this, even she tries to initially convince the Avatar to side with Hoshido]]) or handwaved entirely ([[spoiler:Takumi shooting Elise with an arrow on the Nohr route and Ryoma threatening to let her die if the Avatar doesn't return]]; the Avatar completely lets it slide). The biggest flaw that Hoshido has is the prejudice that many citizens feel against Nohrians, but as this hatred derives entirely from Nohr's unprovoked evil actions many players feel that this attempt at moral balancing falls flat. In fact, there's not a single named Hoshidan character that the game presents as a bad person, even when you're fighting against Hoshido!
12th Jan '17 3:05:15 PM roxana
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*** In fact Literature/StarshipTroopers is NOT a 'military democracy' at all but a Democracy in which the right to vote is earned by the equivalent of 'National Service' that may nor may not be military in nature. Such service is completely voluntary but if you ''do'' volunteer you ''must'' be accepted and the system must find or create a job for you to do. You can also resign at any time, the only penalty being you don't get a second chance to earn your franchise. Nobody can either vote or stand for office until after they have retired from their service whatever it is.
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