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15th Oct '17 8:51:09 PM Zyffyr
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** Another example would be the elven kingdoms of Tir na nOg and Tir Tairngir. The first is Ireland that seceded from UK after success of an elven IRA made of child soldiers. The second is California, with essentially same backstory. Both are North Korea-level isolated, tolerate no corporate presence on their territory and use non-convertible currency different from the rest of the world. Yet somehow both elven kingdoms feature high standards of living, have some of the most elite special forces in the world, and have better technology than international megacorporations.

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** Another example would be the elven kingdoms of Tir na nOg and Tir Tairngir. The first is Ireland that seceded from UK after success of an elven IRA made of child soldiers. The second is California, Oregon, with essentially same backstory. Both are North Korea-level isolated, tolerate no corporate presence on their territory and use non-convertible currency different from the rest of the world. Yet somehow both elven kingdoms feature high standards of living, have some of the most elite special forces in the world, and have better technology than international megacorporations.
6th Oct '17 12:19:10 AM marcoasalazarm
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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret, so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.

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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people the reader just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret, secret (because that's not how stories of this kind go, or could be accused of lacking "realism")]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.
5th Oct '17 11:18:45 PM Eievie
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* The Creator/DrSeuss story ''I Had Trouble in Getting to Solla Sollew'' ("... where they never had troubles (or at least very few)") is a subversion, since the {{Aesop}} of the book is [[spoiler: that you can't ever get to Solla Sellew, and would be better off facing your problems in the real world rather than wasting time trying to escape them.]]

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* The Creator/DrSeuss story ''I Had Trouble in Getting to Solla Sollew'' ''Literature/IHadTroubleInGettingToSollaSollew'' ("... where they never had troubles (or at least very few)") is a subversion, since the {{Aesop}} of the book is [[spoiler: that you can't ever get to Solla Sellew, and would be better off facing your problems in the real world rather than wasting time trying to escape them.]]
28th Sep '17 12:20:18 PM Occidensill
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** In the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' relaunch of the ''Black Panther'' title, Wakanda is returned to its pristine form, but we're shown another facet of what's going on as we're shown a hi-tech country with archaic laws. When a few women are imprisoned for attacking their would-be rapists, including the wardens of prisons for female, they've had enough and turn rebel.

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** In the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' relaunch of the ''Black Panther'' title, Wakanda is returned to its pristine form, but we're shown another facet of what's going on as we're shown a hi-tech country with archaic laws. When a few women are imprisoned for attacking their would-be rapists, including the wardens of prisons for female, women, they've had enough and turn rebel.



** There's also the point that ''no one can ever leave'', making sort of an enforced utopia. The island is completely surrounded by an Eternal Storm, making it impossible to even communicate with the outside world. Fine if you've got nothing left behind. Not so fine if you had any loved ones that were relying on you to support them. Yet no-one ever seems to think of this or mind. Even the one rebellious human, Lee Crabb, just wants out for no reason beyond disliking dinosaurs. Well, that and the enforced vegetarianism since every single living thing on the island is inexplicably sentient.

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** There's also the point that ''no one can ever leave'', making the island sort of an enforced utopia. The island is completely surrounded by an Eternal Storm, EternalStorm, making it impossible to even communicate with the outside world. Fine if you've got nothing left behind. Not so fine if you had any loved ones that were relying on you to support them. Yet no-one ever seems to think of this or mind. Even the one rebellious human, Lee Crabb, just wants out for no reason beyond disliking dinosaurs. Well, that and the enforced vegetarianism since every single living thing on the island is inexplicably sentient.



*** Ironically, [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Kirk]] spent a lot of his time in the Original Series deconstructing [[FalseUtopia False Utopias]] on one planet after another, often ending with the lesson that it is necessary for our strength of character for us to have to struggle a little, and so a bland and cloying "perfect" world might not even be desirable, even if it were achievable.
28th Sep '17 3:13:26 AM HelloLamppost
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*** Ironically, [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Kirk]] spent a lot of his time in the Original Series deconstructing [[FalseUtopia False Utopias]] on one planet after another, often ending with the lesson that it is necessary for our strength of character for us to have to struggle a little, and so a bland and cloying "perfect" world might not even be desirable, even if it were achievable.
19th Sep '17 10:00:12 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.

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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], secret, so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.
5th Sep '17 7:22:37 AM HighCrate
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* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.

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* %%* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.
4th Sep '17 9:23:19 PM Peteman
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* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly brutal {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.

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* ''Literature/FromTheNewWorld'' is a particularly brutal {{deconstruction}} of this trope, of the EveryoneIsASuper variety. Some suetopias might believe that when everyone has both psychic powers and self-restraint, the world will be a nice place. Things don't work that way here.
28th Aug '17 10:45:21 PM marcoasalazarm
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** A mini-series [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 within the same crossover event]], "Where Monsters Dwell", showcases a NubileSavage (pretty much all clones of the "ComicBook/ShannaTheSheDevil" mini-series by Frank Cho) feminist Mary Sue-Topia, invincible in combat, all women are empowered and the like... the deconstructive twist is that it's a place only a sociopathic FemmeFatale would actually love.

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** A mini-series [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 within the same crossover event]], "Where Monsters Dwell", showcases a NubileSavage (pretty much all clones of the "ComicBook/ShannaTheSheDevil" as she appears on the mini-series by Frank Cho) feminist Mary Sue-Topia, invincible in combat, all women are empowered and the like... the deconstructive twist is that it's a place only a sociopathic FemmeFatale would actually love.
28th Aug '17 10:40:14 PM PaulA
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* Subverted in Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair. Le Guin likes subverting this trope. Anarres in ''Literature/TheDispossessed'' also appears to be an example of this at first glance, but as we progress through the plot we learn that, while it is better in many ways than either of the dominant powers on Urras, it is still pretty damn flawed, and becoming worse.

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''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that people just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair. Le Guin likes subverting this trope. flair.
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Anarres in ''Literature/TheDispossessed'' also appears to be an example of this at first glance, but as we progress through the plot we learn that, while it is better in many ways than either of the dominant powers on Urras, it is still pretty damn flawed, and becoming worse.
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