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19th May '18 4:57:29 AM azbyc15243
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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'' has the Fire Peak Tribe, who live in an underground city in the volcano of the same name. The volcano provides them with abundant natural resources such as groundwater, minerals and heat. The tribe has technology that is at least on par with modern technology and arguably superior to it in some aspects, allowing them to take full advantage of said resources. Despite their environment, they have clean air due to being able to purify out the toxic gases and vent them to the surface. They have no aboveground farmland, instead growing all the food they need in greenhouses. It's explicitly highlighted that they have so much energy that they can leave the lights on at night. The tribe has sent scouts outside for centuries and thus knows all about the outside world, but have themselves never been discovered (until the Phantom and Diana stumble across them). What's more, the leaders claim that they even have no crime, war, poverty or any other social ills present in the outside world.

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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'' ''ComicStrip/ThePhantom'' has the Fire Peak Tribe, who live in an underground city in the volcano of the same name. The volcano provides them with abundant natural resources such as groundwater, minerals and heat. The tribe has technology that is at least on par with modern technology and arguably superior to it in some aspects, allowing them to take full advantage of said resources. Despite their environment, they have clean air due to being able to purify out the toxic gases and vent them to the surface. They have no aboveground farmland, instead growing all the food they need in greenhouses. It's explicitly highlighted that they have so much energy that they can leave the lights on at night. The tribe has sent scouts outside for centuries and thus knows all about the outside world, but have themselves never been discovered (until the Phantom and Diana stumble across them). What's more, the leaders claim that they even have no crime, war, poverty or any other social ills present in the outside world.
19th May '18 4:53:45 AM azbyc15243
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* ''ComicBook/ThePhantom'' has the Fire Peak Tribe, who live in an underground city in the volcano of the same name. The volcano provides them with abundant natural resources such as groundwater, minerals and heat. The tribe has technology that is at least on par with modern technology and arguably superior to it in some aspects, allowing them to take full advantage of said resources. Despite their environment, they have clean air due to being able to purify out the toxic gases and vent them to the surface. They have no aboveground farmland, instead growing all the food they need in greenhouses. It's explicitly highlighted that they have so much energy that they can leave the lights on at night. The tribe has sent scouts outside for centuries and thus knows all about the outside world, but have themselves never been discovered (until the Phantom and Diana stumble across them). What's more, the leaders claim that they even have no crime, war, poverty or any other social ills present in the outside world.
27th Mar '18 11:00:42 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that the reader just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret (because that's not how stories of this kind go, or could be accused of lacking "realism")]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.

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** Subverted in ''Literature/TheOnesWhoWalkAwayFromOmelas'', where Omelas starts out looking like a ridiculously perfect utopia, until we learn [[PoweredByAForsakenChild it hides a dark secret]]. The big twist is in the set-up, with the narrator that is singing the praises of Omelas [[GenreSavvy knows perfectly well that the reader just cannot believe that such a city can exist without some kind of dark secret (because that's not how stories of this kind go, or could be accused of lacking "realism")]], so he drops the description of [[spoiler:the child that is brutalized to the point of brain death for the sake of keeping the rest of the townspeople content]] with a "there you go, a horrible flaw in the system! [[ArmorPiercingQuestion [[YouBastard Are you people happy now? Is it "realistic" enough for you now?]]" flair.
17th Mar '18 3:41:35 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Which is really confusing, considering that in the show, Orb has no allies, no diplomacy, and a pathetically weak military compared to the other two superpowers. Because of all these, it was invaded and nearly destroyed ''twice''.
*** To give them some credit, the first time they were fighting against the full surface fleet (or at the very least every single vessel they could spare in their war against ZAFT) of the Earth Alliance, which include the entirety of America, and almost the entirety of Eurasia and Africa. Thats a lot of countries to fight off while being a tiny island. And the second time they were fighting [[UpToEleven every single surface ship on Earth plus every single surface ship of ZAFT and the Minerva.]] Again, thats a lot of military power to fight off while being a tiny island. And mind you, the second time they repelled the attack.
25th Feb '18 6:41:58 AM Carliro
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* The Wakanda of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' zigzags this. On the one hand, it does have extremely advanced technology and universal healthcare, amongst other things. But, internally, it's still a very tribal culture, which causes a lot of internal politicking, it's pointed out that it ''has'' made mistakes, and even its military might is not unquestioned, with characters in the film observing that the outer world not only has [[WeHaveReserves the advantage of numbers]], but is actually closing the technological gap.

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* The Wakanda of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' zigzags this. On the one hand, it does have extremely advanced technology and universal healthcare, amongst other things. But, internally, it's still a very tribal culture, which causes a lot of internal politicking, it's pointed out that it ''has'' made mistakes, and even its military might is not unquestioned, with characters in the film observing that the outer world not only has [[WeHaveReserves the advantage of numbers]], but is actually closing the technological gap. In some ways, the movie actually addresses the more problematic depictions of Wakanda in the comics, showing their nationalism and lack of concern to the outside world as causing misery, and the Killmonger crisis served as a tremendous wake-up call.
17th Feb '18 1:11:14 PM WanderingBrowser
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** Played almost teeth-grittingly straight in ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', with ComicBook/BlackPanther being the team's resident GaryStu -- he's better at technology than ComicBook/IronMan, as powerful as ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, and knows just as much as ComicBook/TheMightyThor does, if not more, about spells and magic. Wakanda itself has the world's greatest technology, still controls magic, is the world's only source of the UnObtainium called Vibranium, refuses to interact with the outside world at all, is so powerful it singlehandedly repels Kang's attempt at conquest during the first season, and yet still practices the traditional laws out of DarkestAfrica (like the right to challenge the current king to a fight to take control of the country, [[spoiler: though by the end of "PanthersQuest", T'challa abandoned this tradition for democratic legislature after overthrowing White Gorilla.]]).

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** Played almost teeth-grittingly straight in ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', with ComicBook/BlackPanther being the team's resident GaryStu -- he's better at technology than ComicBook/IronMan, as powerful as ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, and knows just as much as ComicBook/TheMightyThor does, if not more, about spells and magic. Wakanda itself has the world's greatest technology, technology (repeatedly outclassing Iron Man's with ease), still controls magic, is the world's only source of the UnObtainium called Vibranium, refuses to interact with the outside world at all, is so powerful it singlehandedly repels Kang's attempt at conquest during the first season, and yet still practices the traditional laws out of DarkestAfrica (like the right to challenge the current king to a fight to take control of the country, [[spoiler: though by the end of "PanthersQuest", "Panthers Quest", T'challa abandoned this tradition for democratic legislature after overthrowing White Gorilla.]]).


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*** This then leads to T'Challa destroying the country's supply of Vibranium... in order to make his people step up and get better. Which they proceed to do by ''conquering a giant space empire practically overnight'', complete with building a CityPlanet called Bast to serve as the empire's "throneworld".


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* The Wakanda of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'' zigzags this. On the one hand, it does have extremely advanced technology and universal healthcare, amongst other things. But, internally, it's still a very tribal culture, which causes a lot of internal politicking, it's pointed out that it ''has'' made mistakes, and even its military might is not unquestioned, with characters in the film observing that the outer world not only has [[WeHaveReserves the advantage of numbers]], but is actually closing the technological gap.
8th Feb '18 7:03:38 AM AzraelIshi
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*** To give them some credit, the first time they were fighting against the full surface fleet (or at the very least every single vessel they could spare in their war against ZAFT) of the Earth Alliance, which include the entirety of America, and almost the entirety of Eurasia and Africa. Thats a lot of countries to fight off while being a tiny island. And the second time they were fighting [[UpToEleven every single surface ship on Earth plus every single surface ship of ZAFT and the Minerva.]] Again, thats a lot of military power to fight off while being a tiny island. And mind you, the second time they repelled the attack.
7th Feb '18 4:33:04 AM Piterpicher
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** Any aliens more advanced that humanity would also have naturally discovered the superiority of Communism, and would also live in Communist utopias. Writers who disobeyed these rules risked never ever being published. Creator/IvanYefremov's ''Literature/AndromedaNebula'' and ''The Hour of The Bull'' are perfect examples. See NoonUniverse by Creator/StrugatskyBrothers for notable subversion.

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** Any aliens more advanced that humanity would also have naturally discovered the superiority of Communism, and would also live in Communist utopias. Writers who disobeyed these rules risked never ever being published. Creator/IvanYefremov's ''Literature/AndromedaNebula'' and ''The Hour of The Bull'' are perfect examples. See NoonUniverse Frsnchise/NoonUniverse by Creator/StrugatskyBrothers for notable subversion.
2nd Feb '18 6:28:16 PM nombretomado
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* The Neanderthal world of Robert J. Sawyer's TheNeanderthalParallax trilogy is depicted as such. Everyone wears a wrist computer that records their activities and so crimes are easily solved. Violent crime is largely gone. A lack of religion gives people freedom from such evils as prejudice, stereotypes, and embarrassment. And enforced rhythmic birth control keeps the population low so they don't destroy the planet. However, they get this due to the fact that if anyone commits a serious crime, that person, and anyone who shares half of their DNA or more (parents, kids) is forcibly sterilized (and they also sterilized people with low [=IQs=] in the past). Everyone is surveilled, all the time, and the sexes are prohibited from mingling 90% of the time. It's utopia, but through draconian means.\\

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* The Neanderthal world of Robert J. Sawyer's TheNeanderthalParallax ''Literature/TheNeanderthalParallax'' trilogy is depicted as such. Everyone wears a wrist computer that records their activities and so crimes are easily solved. Violent crime is largely gone. A lack of religion gives people freedom from such evils as prejudice, stereotypes, and embarrassment. And enforced rhythmic birth control keeps the population low so they don't destroy the planet. However, they get this due to the fact that if anyone commits a serious crime, that person, and anyone who shares half of their DNA or more (parents, kids) is forcibly sterilized (and they also sterilized people with low [=IQs=] in the past). Everyone is surveilled, all the time, and the sexes are prohibited from mingling 90% of the time. It's utopia, but through draconian means.\\
29th Jan '18 6:03:46 PM CheeseDogX
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*** All of Heinlein's utopias, and most of the neutral-good places as well, feature free love, with both hebephilia and close-family incest appearing on occasion - his basic rule is that so long as everyone involved wants it, there's no problem. (Perfect contraception and STD protection tends to be assumed.)



*** All of Heinlein's utopias, and most of the neutral-good places as well, feature free love, with both hebephilia and close-family incest appearing on occasion - his basic rule is that so long as everyone involved wants it, there's no problem. (Perfect contraception and STD protection tends to be assumed.)
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