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13th Aug '16 2:09:34 AM smalltime
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' episode "Boys vs. Girls" Starfire and Raven beat Robin, Cyborg and Beast Boy in a contest 3 to 0, resulting in Cyborg and Beast Boy assuming girls are better than boys in general, rather than two particular girls just happening to be more competent and having better powers than three particular boys.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' episode "Boys vs. Girls" Starfire and Raven beat Robin, Cyborg and Beast Boy in a contest 3 to 0, 3-0, resulting in Cyborg and Beast Boy assuming girls are better than boys in general, rather than two particular girls just happening to be more competent and having better powers than three particular boys.
13th Aug '16 2:08:34 AM smalltime
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' episode "Boys vs. Girls" Starfire and Raven beat Robin, Cyborg and Beast Boy in a contest 3 to 0, resulting in Cyborg and Beast Boy assuming girls are better than boys in general, rather than two particular girls just happening to be more competent and having better powers than three particular boys.
30th Jul '16 5:52:03 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/DaveBarry's works, especially ''DaveBarry's Guide to Guys''.

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* Creator/DaveBarry's works, especially ''DaveBarry's ''Dave Barry's Guide to Guys''.
26th Jul '16 10:38:26 PM PaulA
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* This is also the case for Creator/UrsulaKLeguin's ''Literature/EarthseaTrilogy'', at least in the beginning - only men have magical training; women's magic is a byword for incompetence and for malice.

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* This is also the case for Creator/UrsulaKLeguin's ''Literature/EarthseaTrilogy'', Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's ''Literature/{{Earthsea}}'' series, at least in the beginning - -- only men have magical training; women's magic is a byword for incompetence and for malice.
16th Jul '16 12:16:54 PM nombretomado
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* [[PlayingWithATrope The degree to which this trope applies]] to ''{{Catherine}}'' would be a good, essay-length discussion of how the game portrays the intricacies of gender relationships. On one hand, the central plot element is about a [[ThisLoserIsYou laid-back slacker]] trying to decide whether he'd be happier settling down or remaining unchained, with a BettyAndVeronica LoveTriangle externalizing his decision. [[InvokedTrope Mars-and-Venus symbolism abounds]]: the [[EsotericMotifs planetary symbols]] are ubiquitous, one of the background tracks is a ClassicalMusic remix of an ode to the planet Mars, and one of the [[ScrappyMechanic worst things]] that can happen to the player is the "Curse of the Morning Star" (i.e., Venus). Most of the protagonist's friends don't "get" women, or make assumptions about the fair sex that are flat-out wrong. When their favorite waitress--the most approachable female character--tries to set the poor boys straight, none of them take her advice. Instead, they scoff because it's assumed ''she'' wouldn't get it either. [[spoiler: [[BackStory Though this is because she is MtF.]] ]] The other women don't get as much screen time, but don't fare any better: "Betty" is a straight-laced IceQueen type, while "Veronica" shows early signs of {{Yandere}} behavior. So, what does the game ultimately decide about this Trope? ''It doesn't.'' [[MultipleEndings You do.]]

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* [[PlayingWithATrope The degree to which this trope applies]] to ''{{Catherine}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'' would be a good, essay-length discussion of how the game portrays the intricacies of gender relationships. On one hand, the central plot element is about a [[ThisLoserIsYou laid-back slacker]] trying to decide whether he'd be happier settling down or remaining unchained, with a BettyAndVeronica LoveTriangle externalizing his decision. [[InvokedTrope Mars-and-Venus symbolism abounds]]: the [[EsotericMotifs planetary symbols]] are ubiquitous, one of the background tracks is a ClassicalMusic remix of an ode to the planet Mars, and one of the [[ScrappyMechanic worst things]] that can happen to the player is the "Curse of the Morning Star" (i.e., Venus). Most of the protagonist's friends don't "get" women, or make assumptions about the fair sex that are flat-out wrong. When their favorite waitress--the most approachable female character--tries to set the poor boys straight, none of them take her advice. Instead, they scoff because it's assumed ''she'' wouldn't get it either. [[spoiler: [[BackStory Though this is because she is MtF.]] ]] The other women don't get as much screen time, but don't fare any better: "Betty" is a straight-laced IceQueen type, while "Veronica" shows early signs of {{Yandere}} behavior. So, what does the game ultimately decide about this Trope? ''It doesn't.'' [[MultipleEndings You do.]]
16th Jul '16 8:01:07 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In works that use this trope as a central element, naturally, both male and female characters will also, as noted above, tend to be overwhelmingly or even exclusively heterosexual. Male homosexuals, usually of the CampGay variety, may appear, often in a PetHomosexual role as a [[FagHag female character's]] friend [[note]]On a sidenote, binary contrasts similar to the Mars/Venus one tend to feature heavily in BoysLove works and SlashFic, with {{Seme}} and {{Uke}} couples, which often come complete with the same problems of communication and getting along as this trope attributes to heterosexual coupling. This just ''might'' be due to MostFanFicWritersAreGirls.[[/note]]. Lesbians tend to appear even less frequently, except as [[GirlOnGirlIsHot fantasy objects]] for male characters (and viewers): BaitAndSwitchLesbians may appear for similar reasons, but rarely get beyond a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss.

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In works that use this trope as a central element, naturally, both male and female characters will also, as noted above, tend to be overwhelmingly or even exclusively heterosexual. Male homosexuals, Gay men, usually of the CampGay variety, may appear, often in a PetHomosexual role as a [[FagHag female character's]] friend GayBestFriend [[note]]On a sidenote, binary contrasts similar to the Mars/Venus one tend to feature heavily in BoysLove works and SlashFic, with {{Seme}} and {{Uke}} couples, which often come complete with the same problems of communication and getting along as this trope attributes to heterosexual coupling. This just ''might'' be due to MostFanFicWritersAreGirls.MostFanficWritersAreGirls.[[/note]]. Lesbians tend to appear even less frequently, except as [[GirlOnGirlIsHot fantasy objects]] for male characters (and viewers): BaitAndSwitchLesbians may appear for similar reasons, but rarely get beyond a SweepsWeekLesbianKiss.
15th Apr '16 6:20:46 PM toongrrl1990
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* This trope was given a TakeThat in ''WesternAnimation/Rugrats'' where Phil and Lil switch the hairbow so that Tommy can see it won't be hard for him to pass as a girl. Phil cries while wearing Lil's bow and Betty rushes to her side.

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* This trope was given a TakeThat in ''WesternAnimation/Rugrats'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' where Phil and Lil switch the hairbow so that Tommy can see it won't be hard for him to pass as a girl. Phil cries while wearing Lil's bow and Betty rushes to her side.
15th Apr '16 6:20:16 PM toongrrl1990
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* This trope was given a TakeThat in ''WesternAnimation/Rugrats'' where Phil and Lil switch the hairbow so that Tommy can see it won't be hard for him to pass as a girl. Phil cries while wearing Lil's bow and Betty rushes to her side.
--->'''Betty:''' ''(in a soothing voice)'' Oh, whats the matter with beautiful baby girl? ''(turns to Didi)'' Girls seem to cry more at this age. ''(turns to Lil without bow in a buffer voice)'' Oh, my big baby man. Guess they're ok Deed, now where were we?
--->'''Didi:''' We were talking about the difference between men and women.
--->''(Phil and Lil soon switch the bow while the Mom's backs are turned)''
--->'''Phil and Lil:''' See?
8th Feb '16 1:56:36 AM shamblingdead2
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** After the fourth season, when Amy and Bernadette were added to the permanent cast, this has been the case more often than not. Either the girls have a separate storyline involving "girl time," or we see the "female perspective" on one nerd-issue or another.


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* ''Series/TheOffice'' takes a look in Season 2's "Boys and Girls" episode. Jan holds a "women in the workplace" seminar, and Michael takes the "boys" down to the warehouse--where's he's just as unwelcome.
27th Dec '15 11:35:29 PM tealmage
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Which ''particular'' gender stereotypes are invoked may vary considerably, and inconsistently, even within the same work: (e.g. women want romance/men want sex; women want to talk about feelings and go to the opera/MenAreUncultured; AllWomenLoveShoes/all men hate shopping; women are CloserToEarth/men are all {{Man Child}}ren, etc.) Stock contrasting stereotypes (hello, BettyAndVeronica) substituting for nuance will often also be in play. Outright logical contradiction between different stereotypes will rarely, if ever, be addressed.

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Which ''particular'' gender stereotypes are invoked may vary considerably, and inconsistently, even within the same work: (e.g. women want romance/men want sex; women want to talk about feelings and go to the opera/MenAreUncultured; AllWomenLoveShoes/all men hate shopping; women are CloserToEarth/men WomenAreWiser/men are all {{Man Child}}ren, etc.) Stock contrasting stereotypes (hello, BettyAndVeronica) substituting for nuance will often also be in play. Outright logical contradiction between different stereotypes will rarely, if ever, be addressed.



* ''Series/HomeImprovement''- a definite example of MenAreUncultured as both something men are/should be proud of, as well as something that makes women CloserToEarth.

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* ''Series/HomeImprovement''- a definite example of MenAreUncultured as both something men are/should be proud of, as well as something that makes women CloserToEarth.a way in which WomenAreWiser.
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