History Main / ManipulativeEditing

10th Dec '16 8:20:08 PM Shadowslayer
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** One infamous example is from ''Film/Fahrenheit911'' where Moore is trying to prove a point about how callous politicians are in sending soldiers off to war. He approaches a Congressman outside Capitol Hill and asks if the man would willingly send his son to Iraq. The man stands mutely for a couple seconds before the camera cuts...to hide the fact that the Congressman answered that he has a son who's currently serving in Iraq.

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** One infamous example is from ''Film/Fahrenheit911'' where Moore is trying to prove a point about how callous politicians are in sending soldiers off to war. He approaches a Congressman outside Capitol Hill and asks if the man would willingly send his son to Iraq. The man stands mutely for a couple seconds before the camera cuts...to hide the fact that the Congressman answered that he has a son nephew who's currently serving in Iraq.
26th Nov '16 9:59:46 AM Morgenthaler
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** He showed what a heartless bastard Creator/CharltonHeston was for holding an NRA fundraiser in Colorado shortly after the Columbine massacre and gloating with the "cold, dead fingers" speech to mock the victims. While the NRA did indeed hold an event in Colorado --because rescheduling it was legally impossible by that point-- sharp-eyed viewers may notice that Heston is [[SpecialEffectFailure wearing a different suit for the "cold dead fingers" line]] than he wears in the rest of the footage.

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** *** He showed what a heartless bastard Creator/CharltonHeston was for holding an NRA fundraiser in Colorado shortly after the Columbine massacre and gloating with the "cold, dead fingers" speech to mock the victims. While the NRA did indeed hold an event in Colorado --because rescheduling it was legally impossible by that point-- sharp-eyed viewers may notice that Heston is [[SpecialEffectFailure wearing a different suit for the "cold dead fingers" line]] than he wears in the rest of the footage.
26th Nov '16 9:59:30 AM Morgenthaler
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** For example, in ''Film/BowlingForColumbine,'' where he showed what a heartless bastard Creator/CharltonHeston was for holding an NRA fundraiser in Colorado shortly after the Columbine massacre and gloating with the "cold, dead fingers" speech to mock the victims. While the NRA did indeed hold an event in Colorado --because rescheduling it was legally impossible by that point-- sharp-eyed viewers may notice that Heston is [[SpecialEffectFailure wearing a different suit for the "cold dead fingers" line]] than he wears in the rest of the footage.
** Another recurring and particularly blatant example is essentially any interview scene with a clock in the background of one or both participants. Mismatched times between the interviewer and the interviewee, not enough time elapsed between answers for the question presented to have been the one asked, time strangely jumping forward and backward in general... some of the complaints are not so much that the editing's manipulative as the insult to the viewer's intelligence implied by how obvious it sometimes is.
** One infamous example is from ''Fahrenheit 9/11'' where Moore is trying to prove a point about how callous politicians are in sending soldiers off to war. He approaches a Congressman outside Capitol Hill and asks if the man would willingly send his son to Iraq. The man stands mutely for a couple seconds before the camera cuts...to hide the fact that the Congressman answered that he has a son who's currently serving in Iraq.

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** For example, in ''Film/BowlingForColumbine,'' where he ''Film/BowlingForColumbine'':
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showed what a heartless bastard Creator/CharltonHeston was for holding an NRA fundraiser in Colorado shortly after the Columbine massacre and gloating with the "cold, dead fingers" speech to mock the victims. While the NRA did indeed hold an event in Colorado --because rescheduling it was legally impossible by that point-- sharp-eyed viewers may notice that Heston is [[SpecialEffectFailure wearing a different suit for the "cold dead fingers" line]] than he wears in the rest of the footage.
** *** Another recurring and particularly blatant example is essentially any interview scene with a clock in the background of one or both participants. Mismatched times between the interviewer and the interviewee, not enough time elapsed between answers for the question presented to have been the one asked, time strangely jumping forward and backward in general... some of the complaints are not so much that the editing's manipulative as the insult to the viewer's intelligence implied by how obvious it sometimes is.
** One infamous example is from ''Fahrenheit 9/11'' ''Film/Fahrenheit911'' where Moore is trying to prove a point about how callous politicians are in sending soldiers off to war. He approaches a Congressman outside Capitol Hill and asks if the man would willingly send his son to Iraq. The man stands mutely for a couple seconds before the camera cuts...to hide the fact that the Congressman answered that he has a son who's currently serving in Iraq.
26th Nov '16 9:58:03 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''PennyAndAggie'', [[http://www.pennyandaggie.com/index.php?p=1006 here.]] Sara is about to go on a reality show, and to prevent this sort of editing her friends advise her to constantly change her physical appearance to make it harder to splice together clips from different days. They do it anyway.

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* ''PennyAndAggie'', ''Webcomic/PennyAndAggie'', [[http://www.pennyandaggie.com/index.php?p=1006 here.]] Sara is about to go on a reality show, and to prevent this sort of editing her friends advise her to constantly change her physical appearance to make it harder to splice together clips from different days. They do it anyway.
12th Nov '16 5:03:54 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/RowanAndMartinsLaughIn'' did a skit a few times that ''pretended'' to be this. They'd interview some celebrity (such as JohnWayne) and then announce "Now we'll show you what could be done by unscrupulous editing of this interview." The modified version had Wayne saying of critics "They can kiss my Levis!"

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* ''Series/RowanAndMartinsLaughIn'' did a skit a few times that ''pretended'' to be this. They'd interview some celebrity (such as JohnWayne) Creator/JohnWayne) and then announce "Now we'll show you what could be done by unscrupulous editing of this interview." The modified version had Wayne saying of critics "They can kiss my Levis!"
5th Nov '16 8:50:43 AM DesertDragon
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* Pointed questions. Just because you don't see an interviewer does not mean one isn't there. An unseen, unheard producer may ask the person to talk about a particular subject or ask questions designed to provoke "better" sound bites, and then use only the most unflattering bits. In older reality shows, this is often deceptively presented as if it were from a ConfessionCam (which, theoretically, has nobody else in the room), by having the roommate/contestant look directly at the camera while answering the producer's questions. Most shows nowadays are more honest about the fact that the person is being interviewed by a producer offscreen, and in a few rare instances the producer themselves can be heard asking questions.

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* Pointed questions. Just because you don't see an interviewer does not mean one isn't there. An unseen, unheard producer may ask the person to talk about a particular subject or ask questions designed to provoke "better" sound bites, and then use only the most unflattering interesting bits. In older reality shows, this is often deceptively presented as if it were from a ConfessionCam (which, theoretically, has nobody else in the room), by having the roommate/contestant person look directly at the camera while answering the producer's questions. Most shows nowadays are more honest about the fact that the person is being interviewed by a producer someone offscreen, and in a few rare instances the producer themselves can be heard responding or asking questions.a question, usually to underscore how dramatic or unusual a situation has become.
5th Nov '16 8:41:52 AM DesertDragon
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* Pointed questions. Just because you don't see an interviewer, does not mean there isn't one there. An unseen, unheard interviewer may ask the person to talk about a particular subject or ask questions designed to provoke "better" sound bites, and then use only the most unflattering bits. In reality TV, this is often deceptively presented as if it were from the ConfessionCam (which, theoretically, has nobody else in the room).

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* Pointed questions. Just because you don't see an interviewer, interviewer does not mean there one isn't one there. An unseen, unheard interviewer producer may ask the person to talk about a particular subject or ask questions designed to provoke "better" sound bites, and then use only the most unflattering bits. In older reality TV, shows, this is often deceptively presented as if it were from the a ConfessionCam (which, theoretically, has nobody else in the room).room), by having the roommate/contestant look directly at the camera while answering the producer's questions. Most shows nowadays are more honest about the fact that the person is being interviewed by a producer offscreen, and in a few rare instances the producer themselves can be heard asking questions.
2nd Nov '16 3:43:08 AM CaptainTedium
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* In ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'' episode "Presidential Punchout", Princess tries to turn everyone against Blossom when they run for class president by editing together clips of Blossom saying unflattering and incriminating things like "This school's students are doody" and that her true goal is to become "the (fart noise) Queen".
10th Oct '16 10:56:27 AM notahandle
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* A French filmmaker showed the difference a voiceover could make by using the exact same footage of a Soviet town three times, making the first an absurdly patriotic advertisement for the USSR, the second making it a fascist nightmare, and a final, more neutral commentary on the scenes.

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* A French filmmaker In Chris Maker's film ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN1XWKULjfQ Letters from Siberia]]'', he showed the difference a voiceover could make by using the exact same footage of a Soviet town three times, making the first an absurdly patriotic advertisement for the USSR, the second making it a fascist nightmare, and a final, more neutral commentary on the scenes.
26th Sep '16 2:39:22 AM DarkMask
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* ''Series/RuPaulsDragRace'' has what fans have called the "Bitch Edit," when a queen becomes the "villain" of the series by way of making all their lines and actions come off as completely dickish, even though most of the time they A) were asked for their opinion and simply gave an honest answer, B) were responding to a bitchy comment one of the "good" queens made, or C) apologized afterwards. These little details are always conveniently left on the cutting room floor, requiring the queens to explain what ''really'' happened on their social media pages. However, Season 5 "villain" Roxxxy Andrews deserves credit for not blaming the editing for her behavior. She says that the editors may manipulate, but they don't make things up; the bitchy comments that got aired are still things she said, and even though she apologized, saying "sorry" doesn't undo the initial hurt she caused. This was her reason for seeking "[[TheAtoner Rudemption]]" in ''All-Stars 2''.

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* ''Series/RuPaulsDragRace'' has what fans have called the "Bitch Edit," when a queen becomes the "villain" of the series by way of making all their lines and actions come off as completely dickish, even though most of the time they A) were asked for their opinion and simply gave an honest answer, B) were responding to a bitchy comment one of the "good" queens made, or C) apologized afterwards. These little details are always conveniently left on the cutting room floor, requiring the queens to explain what ''really'' happened on their social media pages. However, Season 5 "villain" Roxxxy Andrews deserves credit for not blaming the editing for her behavior. She says that the editors may manipulate, but they don't make things up; the bitchy comments that got aired are still things she said, and even though she apologized, saying "sorry" doesn't undo the initial hurt she caused. This was her reason for seeking "[[TheAtoner Rudemption]]" in ''All-Stars 2''. On the other side of the spectrum, however, another infamous Drag Race villain from Season 4 of the series, Phi Phi O'Hara, has accused the show of grossly abusing the manipulative edit when she returned for ''All-Stars 2''. She claims that when the season wasn't providing a suitable villain for drama, the producers took her out of context and harshly edited her, with some of her fellow contestants backing up at least some of her claims.
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