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29th Apr '16 10:26:55 PM Westbrook
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** With the former, he is considered utterly unpredictable because of his artistic imagination, making figures like mecha or MagicalGirls to fight. With the latter, John Stewart actually takes times in applying his achitect knowhow when constructing items, so they have alot more 'solidness' to them.

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** With the former, he is considered utterly unpredictable because of his artistic imagination, making figures like mecha or MagicalGirls to fight. With the latter, John Stewart actually takes times in applying his achitect architectural knowhow when constructing items, so they have alot a lot more 'solidness' to them.
13th Apr '16 6:52:07 PM DVB
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* The GreenLantern Power Ring should be able to avoid this, as it is advertised as being capable of anything the wearer can imagine. People still complain when it does something exceptional, though, mostly because it stands out as being extremely unusual. As has been pointed out, most of the Green Lantern [[TheChosenMany Corps]] has the imagination of a goddamn potato. This is why people like Kyle Rayner, an artist, stand out. And when handled properly, John Stewart, an architect.

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* The GreenLantern Power Ring should be able to avoid this, as it is advertised as being capable of anything the wearer can imagine. People still complain when it does something exceptional, though, mostly because it stands out as being extremely unusual. As has been pointed out, However, most of the Green Lantern [[TheChosenMany Corps]] has don't exercise the full advantage of imagination of a goddamn potato.when wielding one. This is why people like Kyle Rayner, an artist, stand out. And when handled properly, John Stewart, an architect.architect.
** With the former, he is considered utterly unpredictable because of his artistic imagination, making figures like mecha or MagicalGirls to fight. With the latter, John Stewart actually takes times in applying his achitect knowhow when constructing items, so they have alot more 'solidness' to them.
2nd Apr '16 4:07:21 PM Theriocephalus
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** A point is made in ''The Silmarillion'' that many great works that might be considered magical can only be accomplished once. The great trees: Telperion and Laurelin, created by Yavanna could only be created once; the Silmarils created by Fëanor could only be created once. One may presume the One Ring created by Sauron could also only have been created once and it would make sense that reason for this is as given that he put his own power into the ring thus diminishing it in himself. In this respect the act of using one's 'magic' to create a great artifact appears to forever diminish the creator of the artifact.

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** A point is made in ''The Silmarillion'' that many great works that might be considered magical can only be accomplished once. The great trees: trees Telperion and Laurelin, Laurelin created by Yavanna could only be created once; the Silmarils created by Fëanor could only be created once. One may presume the One Ring created by Sauron could also only have been created once and it would make sense that reason for this is as given that he put his own power into the ring thus diminishing it in himself. In this respect the act of using one's 'magic' to create a great artifact appears to forever diminish the creator of the artifact.
21st Mar '16 9:02:00 AM LordInsane
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** ''TabletopGame/{{Pathfinder}}'' is almost exactly like its parent 3.5 when it comes to Arcane and Divine magic, with only a few minor differences. It lacks official support for the other systems, however[[note]]except for psionics, Paizo would have to write around copyright, and with psionics they basically went 'We want to take it in a bit different direction, and anyway those people over at Dreamscarred have already done a brilliant conversion of 3.5 psionics to Pathfinder'[[/note]], but also adds the Psychic magic type, which is similar but not identical in theme to psionics (as an example, psychic magic is heavier on the magic ultimately coming from interaction between the mage and other things, even things like concepts, while psionics leans more towards psionic effects coming from the wielder's mind and self), and uses the standard VancianMagic as the base.
17th Mar '16 8:03:11 AM Willbyr
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* ''{{Nasuverse}}'': Nasu Kinoko's works have a nasty habit of setting up incredibly complex and detailed rules about TheVerse... then having a character with some really rare ability break those rules. Only that character alone can ever do it (and probably not more than once), otherwise it's completely consistent. Needless to say, the rules in the Nasuverse are extremely complicated to the point of MindScrew. The fact that more than a few rules contradict others makes it worse.

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* ''{{Nasuverse}}'': ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'': Nasu Kinoko's works have a nasty habit of setting up incredibly complex and detailed rules about TheVerse... then having a character with some really rare ability break those rules. Only that character alone can ever do it (and probably not more than once), otherwise it's completely consistent. Needless to say, the rules in the Nasuverse are extremely complicated to the point of MindScrew. The fact that more than a few rules contradict others makes it worse.



* ''{{NEEDLESS}}'': One Needless, one Fragment. It's consistent throughout the story, with certain Fragments can imitate the effect of other Fragments to some extent, i.e. [[WrenchWench Kana's]] [[SchizoTech Flamethrower]] is as good as the power of a [[PlayingWithFire Fire Needless]]. [[spoiler: The Hero and the Big Bad have fragments that can learn the abilities of other fragments.]]

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* ''{{NEEDLESS}}'': ''Manga/{{NEEDLESS}}'': One Needless, one Fragment. It's consistent throughout the story, with certain Fragments can imitate the effect of other Fragments to some extent, i.e. [[WrenchWench Kana's]] [[SchizoTech Flamethrower]] is as good as the power of a [[PlayingWithFire Fire Needless]]. [[spoiler: The Hero and the Big Bad have fragments that can learn the abilities of other fragments.]]
9th Mar '16 12:22:16 PM Gamermaster
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** There is at least one rule Negi can break by kissing hard enough but no one knows if that ''was'' a rule to begin with, and considering that [[spoiler: his ancestors created the Pactio system to begin with]], he has a surprising amount of leverage. In other words, magic still follows the laws, but one of those laws is [[spoiler: nepotism]].

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** There is at least one rule Negi can break by kissing hard enough but no one knows if that ''was'' a rule to begin with, and considering that [[spoiler: his ancestors created the Pactio system to begin with]], he has a surprising amount of leverage. In other words, magic still follows the laws, but one of those laws is [[spoiler: nepotism]].{{nepotism}}]].
14th Feb '16 1:20:42 PM Discar
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-->--''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars: The Force Awakens]]''

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-->--''[[Film/TheForceAwakens -->-- ''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars: The Force Awakens]]''
10th Feb '16 3:35:20 PM DarkHunter
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* ''[[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Order of the Stick]]'' does this with D&D rules (mostly). For an example, there's a strip where Durkon uses Weather Control to attack a group of treants warded against electrical attacks... by generating a thunderclap so loud that it breaks the treants in half. When an angel tells Thor (Durkon's patron god who enabled the spell) that that's not how the spell works (Weather Control doesn't cause sonic damage), Thor tells him to be quiet [[RuleOfCool because it was awesome]].

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* ''[[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Order of the Stick]]'' does this with D&D rules (mostly).rules, except when the result would be really funny or sufficiently cool. For an example, there's a strip where Durkon uses Weather Control to attack a group of treants warded against electrical attacks... by generating a thunderclap so loud that it breaks the treants in half. When an angel tells Thor (Durkon's patron god who enabled the spell) that that's not how the spell works (Weather Control doesn't cause sonic damage), Thor tells him to be quiet [[RuleOfCool because it was awesome]].
10th Feb '16 3:33:26 PM DarkHunter
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' never gets into the "nuts and bolts" of how one learns alchemy or gets it to work, but we are shown through repeated example that it requires a great deal of research, practice and the use of [[GeometricMagic inscribed runes or circles]] to make it happen. There is also the constantly repeated rule of ''EquivalentExchange,'' that for the alchemist to create something, he or she must destroy something of equal value (in practice, this means just having the necessary raw materials at hand - the act of construction itself doesn't seem to "cost" anything, since alchemy uses geothermal energy). In fact, the author's notes at the beginning of the manga emphasize that the series was originally intended to showcase a B-movie style version of real-life alchemy, without so much emphasis on the actual science behind it. In [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]], though, it's revealed that [[spoiler:''[[SoylentGreen human souls]]'' from our world, especially the influx of souls from World War One]] are the cost being paid to perform alchemy. [[{{PhilosophersStone}} Philosopher's Stones]] seem to break this, acting as an infinite unkowable energy source, but in ''Brotherhood'' it's revealed quite early on they're [[spoiler: compressed human souls]] and they eventually run out like a battery.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' never gets into the "nuts and bolts" of how one learns alchemy or gets it to work, but we are shown through repeated example that it requires a great deal of research, practice and the use of [[GeometricMagic inscribed runes or circles]] to make it happen. There is also the constantly repeated rule of ''EquivalentExchange,'' that for the alchemist to create something, he or she must destroy something of equal value (in practice, this means just having the necessary raw materials at hand - the act of construction itself doesn't seem to "cost" anything, since alchemy uses geothermal energy). In fact, the author's notes at the beginning of the manga emphasize that the series was originally intended to showcase a B-movie style version of real-life alchemy, without so much emphasis on the actual science behind it. In [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist the 2003 anime]], though, it's revealed that [[spoiler:''[[SoylentGreen human souls]]'' from our world, especially the influx of souls from World War One]] are the cost being paid to perform alchemy. [[{{PhilosophersStone}} Philosopher's Stones]] seem to break this, acting as an infinite unkowable energy source, but in ''Brotherhood'' it's revealed quite early on they're [[spoiler: compressed human souls]] and they eventually run out like a battery.



** It's one of the rules that Shikigami don't ''have'' to explain all the rules to humans holding a Death Note unless one of them is about to be broken.

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** It's one of the rules that Shikigami Shinigami don't ''have'' to explain all the rules to humans holding a Death Note unless one of them is about to be broken.
30th Jan '16 8:02:29 AM Vir
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** With the episodes ''Beginnings Part 1 & 2'', the [[spoiler: the history of the Avatar is set out. Notably, bending was ''given'' to people by lion-turtles, who acted as guardians to humanity in a world ravaged by spirits. At the end, Wan becomes the first Avatar by merging with the Spirit of Light Raava and becoming the first person capable of bending all four elements at once. With the coming of the Avatar, the lion-turtles relinquished their position as guardians of humanity and notably claimed that they will not give humans the power to bend elements any more. This provides for two possibilities: All benders are descendants of those humans who kept their bending powers after the lion-turtles left. Or, subsequent generations of humanity really did learn to bend the elements by watching animals (and the Moon) do it. The show vaguely implies the second, as the effects of energy-bending were shown to not be hereditary, meaning that the people with bending granted by energy-bending can't pass it on to their children.]]

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** With the episodes ''Beginnings "Beginnings, Part 1 & 2'', and 2", the [[spoiler: the history of the Avatar is set out. Notably, bending was ''given'' to people by lion-turtles, who acted as guardians to humanity in a world ravaged by spirits. At the end, Wan becomes the first Avatar by merging with the Spirit of Light Raava and becoming the first person capable of bending all four elements at once. With the coming of the Avatar, the lion-turtles relinquished their position as guardians of humanity and notably claimed that they will not give humans the power to bend elements any more. This provides for two possibilities: All benders are descendants of those humans who kept their bending powers after the lion-turtles left. Or, subsequent generations of humanity really did learn to bend the elements by watching animals (and the Moon) do it. The show vaguely implies the second, as the effects of energy-bending were shown to not be hereditary, meaning that the people with bending granted by energy-bending can't pass it on to their children.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' ''{{Transformers}}'' had the "Transmetal" subline, which was forced on them by virtue of being MerchandiseDriven. Essentially the story goes that they had to destroy a doomsday device in orbit that was threatening them with DeathFromAbove. The resulting "quantum shockwave" changed the bodies of Transformers on both sides, but due to budget (CGI models take a lot more effort to redesign then with traditional animation) only a handful of current characters were redesigned. To try and explain why some changed while others didn't, those who weren't altered were otherwise incapacitated in a repair chamber or something else. It wasn't perfect and there was still a few inconsistencies with a couple of characters. Then the Transmetal process was refered to again. A device from the same aliens that sent the "Planet Buster" emitted a paralyzing pulse at the transformers around it. Those who with some form of transmetal in them proved to be immune to its effects.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' ''{{Transformers}}'' Franchise/{{Transformers}} had the "Transmetal" subline, which was forced on them by virtue of being MerchandiseDriven. Essentially the story goes that they had to destroy a doomsday device in orbit that was threatening them with DeathFromAbove. The resulting "quantum shockwave" changed the bodies of Transformers on both sides, but due to budget (CGI models take a lot more effort to redesign then with traditional animation) only a handful of current characters were redesigned. To try and explain why some changed while others didn't, those who weren't altered were otherwise incapacitated in a repair chamber or something else. It wasn't perfect and there was still a few inconsistencies with a couple of characters. Then the Transmetal process was refered to again. A device from the same aliens that sent the "Planet Buster" emitted a paralyzing pulse at the transformers around it. Those who with some form of transmetal in them proved to be immune to its effects.
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