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13th Feb '17 9:37:45 AM Paranoia
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** There ''is'' however a story that indicates it may have backfired on him ultimately: his aides and staff were so scared of earning his ire, nobody was willing to go "wake him up" when he was oversleeping by hours and hours one day. Turns out he had suffered a stroke, one that ''may'' not have been fatal if it were caught sooner.
12th Feb '17 10:35:42 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': This seems to be the general ethos of House Tyrell. Loras thinks Renly would make a good king because the smallfolk like him, and Margaery tries this in Season 3 with the people of King's Landing. This makes them a {{foil}} to the Lannisters, who are utterly ruthless and will trample over anybody if it meant getting more power for the family, and [[spoiler:the Tyrells are quickly growing powerful enough to rival them. By Season 4 they marry into the royal family]].

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': This seems to be the general ethos of House Tyrell. Loras thinks Renly would make a good king because the smallfolk like him, him and he would rule through love and respect rather than through strength and fear, and Margaery tries this in Season 3 with the people of King's Landing.Landing by being kind and generous to the poor, causing them to adore her. This makes them a {{foil}} to the Lannisters, who are utterly ruthless and will trample over anybody if it meant getting more power for the family, and [[spoiler:the Tyrells are quickly growing powerful enough to rival them. By Season 4 they marry into the royal family]].
15th Jan '17 12:52:36 AM I_love_dragons
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->''"Whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with...\\

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->''"Whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with...with. ...\\
25th Dec '16 9:14:52 AM Psi001
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** Jessie and James are the exception; while they play the role of antagonists ([[IneffectualSympatheticVillain sort of]]), they get emotionally attached to their Pokémon.

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** Jessie and James are the exception; while they play the role of antagonists ([[IneffectualSympatheticVillain sort of]]), they get emotionally attached to their Pokémon. In turn, most of them are extremely loyal to them, even refusing to abandon them when [[GoOnWithoutMe they try to evacuate or release them]].
14th Dec '16 11:27:59 PM Gitaxias
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* A big part of why villains in ''Literature/APracticalGuideToEvil'' tend to fail. Not only do hated oppressors have a harder time governing, they produce stronger and more numerous Named opponents. While Black is a brilliant tactician and Malicia is an equally brilliant politician, the real reason that they have done as well as they have is because they have worked to improve quality of life rather than just intimidate their followers through force of arms.
4th Dec '16 5:26:30 PM AnEnigmaticSmile
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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'', Shigeo Kageyama is a 14 year old boy with psychic powers. He chooses not to hurt others with his psychic powers even his enemies, because it is against his morals. He tries to win a battle with another enemy rationally until he gets pressurized to aggression, but that is rare for him. In battle, the emotions he displays at 100% are mostly positive emotions, like confidence, gratitude, friendship and trust.
21st Nov '16 5:33:01 PM Emperor_Oshron
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** He does however openly criticize their methods so they clearly didn't read his book - which may have been due to the fact that it was written fifteen years after the game's start and quite a few events of the game obviously inspire him to turn his worldview around and write the actual ''Literature/ThePrince'' rather than TheThemeParkVersion.

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** He does however openly criticize their methods so they clearly didn't read his book - which may have been due to the fact that it was written fifteen years after the game's start and quite a few events of the game obviously inspire him to turn his worldview around and write the actual ''Literature/ThePrince'' rather than TheThemeParkVersion. In fact, Machiavelli implies that the subject of ''The Prince'' is actually Ezio, not Cesare, and exemplifies its true message: while the Borgias are hated tyrants, Ezio is feared and loved by the people of Rome, and welcomes every Assassin recruit with the statement, "The liberation of Rome has begun."
30th Oct '16 11:59:49 AM Anddrix
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* In the 2010 ''Film/AliceInWonderland'' the Red Queen debates the question of whether it is better to be feared or loved. She ultimately decides on fear, because love can be used against her. [[spoiler:It turns out badly for her, however, because no sooner is the Jabberwock slain and she loses the one thing that lets her ''cause'' fear, her entire army refuses to support her any longer.]]

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* In the 2010 ''Film/AliceInWonderland'' ''Film/AliceInWonderland2010'' the Red Queen debates the question of whether it is better to be feared or loved. She ultimately decides on fear, because love can be used against her. [[spoiler:It turns out badly for her, however, because no sooner is the Jabberwock slain and she loses the one thing that lets her ''cause'' fear, her entire army refuses to support her any longer.]]
22nd Oct '16 6:13:12 PM CountDorku
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[[folder:Tabletop Games]]
* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', Konrad Curze's philosophy was that terror was the only way to create order and peace, and practiced it on his own homeworld by leaving the disembowelled corpses of gang bosses and corrupt nobles on display. Much to his regret, as soon as he was no longer around to dismember rapists and murderers, Nostramo slipped back into the same WretchedHive he had fought against. Meanwhile, the Ultramarines under Roboute Guilliman, who wished to be respected and showed their people respect in turn, built a thriving kingdom of proud but good-hearted citizens.
-->'''Kurze:''' There was no other way.\\
'''Sevatar:''' Oh? [[ArmourPiercingQuestion What other ways did you try?]]
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10th Oct '16 11:29:21 PM EvilKid
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** Subverted. RedShirt-s Marines are good for facing non-special threats (like Devil fruit or Haki user) i.e. Brooks' late crew and pacifying where they are stationed i.e. post-Morgan Shells Town. Some Marines' officers use fear, some use love and some use both and some use respect but discipline is mostly still there. Worth noted that pirates and Marines join by their own free will, so there is denying them respect to your subordinate while they respect you.

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** Subverted. RedShirt-s Marines are good for facing non-special threats (like Devil fruit or Haki user) i.e. Brooks' late crew and pacifying where they are stationed i.e. post-Morgan Shells Town. Some Marines' officers use fear, some use love and some use both and some use respect but discipline is mostly still there. Worth noted that pirates and Marines join by their own free will, so there is no reason denying them respect to your subordinate while they respect you.their superior.
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