History Main / LyingToThePerp

6th Jan '17 8:04:58 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''Series/{{QI}}'' described an Elizabethan mathematician, John Napier, who "[[FreudWasRight encouraged his servants to stroke his cock]]" - one of them had been stealing, and he got them all together and told them his pet cockerel [[TooDumbToLive could tell when someone who touched it was lying]]. He sent them into a dark room and told them to stroke it, while unbeknownst to them it was covered in soot - the guilty servant was the only one not to have soot on his hands.

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* ''Series/{{QI}}'' described an Elizabethan mathematician, John Napier, who "[[FreudWasRight encouraged "encouraged his servants to stroke his cock]]" cock" - one of them had been stealing, and he got them all together and told them his pet cockerel [[TooDumbToLive could tell when someone who touched it was lying]]. He sent them into a dark room and told them to stroke it, while unbeknownst to them it was covered in soot - the guilty servant was the only one not to have soot on his hands.
16th Dec '16 2:39:13 PM Jacob175
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-->'''Aiden:''' Officers can lie to the suspects. Legally''.

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-->'''Aiden:''' Officers can lie to the suspects. Legally''.Legally.



--> '''Gideon''': Is that why you stabbed him in the groin?"

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--> '''Gideon''': Is that why you stabbed him in the groin?"groin?



* Early on in SuikodenI, Odessa uses this to confirm that the pick-up man for a vital blueprint she needed delivered was the real deal (he is).

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* Early on in SuikodenI, VideoGame/SuikodenI, Odessa uses this to confirm that the pick-up man for a vital blueprint she needed delivered was the real deal (he is).



* ''TheSimpsons'', with the Springfield police catching Homer Simpson by sending him a letter that he'd won a motorboat, before nailing him for his unpaid parking tickets. Despite this [[WhatanIdiot Homer still demanded his motorboat]].

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* ''TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', with the Springfield police catching Homer Simpson by sending him a letter that he'd won a motorboat, before nailing him for his unpaid parking tickets. Despite this [[WhatanIdiot [[WhatAnIdiot Homer still demanded his motorboat]].
13th Dec '16 8:57:10 AM Gosicrystal
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* One case in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' was ended successfully by Phoenix's use of such a lie (confusing the color of a poison vial) to confess (by way of correcting the color, implying that he would have to have done it to know what the real color was).
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler:This bottle has your fingerprints all over it! And it contains... potassium cyanide!]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Tigre''': (laughs) I can see through you Phoenix Wright! That ain't the bottle with the cyanide in it.]]
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler:No, no. This is the bottle we found traces of the poison in.]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Tigre''': Don't mess with The Tiger or you're going to get ripped to shreds! The cyanide bottle was BROWN. And it was made of glass. That cheap piece of trash don't look nothin' like that!]]
---> [[spoiler:(Phoenix just stares at him, Godot's visor is smoking, the judge is shocked and the whole court room is completely silent)]]
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler: (Got him. At lastů)]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Tigre''': Wh-What? Why's everyone gone quiet?]]
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler: You were summoned to court for the first time. If you really have nothing to do with this you shouldn't have know those details. How did you know the exact description of the bottle that contains potassium cyanide?]]
** And another involved an extremely subtle lie. [[spoiler: 'Adrian Andrews' is a pretty masculine name, so Wright leads Shelly De Killer on by letting Shelly lie about his meeting with Adrian. He uses male pronouns, so Shelly uses them too...and then Wright accuses him of lying about having ever met Adrian in the first place. Adrian is a woman.]]

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* One case in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' ''Franchise/AceAttorney'':
** Case 3-3
was ended successfully by Phoenix's use of such a lie (confusing the color of a poison vial) to confess (by way of correcting the color, implying that he would have to have done it to know what the real color was).
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler:This bottle has your fingerprints all over it! And it contains... potassium cyanide!]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Tigre''': (laughs) I can see through you Phoenix Wright! That ain't the bottle with the cyanide in it.]]
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler:No, no. This is the bottle we found traces of the poison in.]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Tigre''': Don't mess with The Tiger or you're going to get ripped to shreds! The cyanide bottle was BROWN. And it was made of glass. That cheap piece of trash don't look nothin' like that!]]
---> [[spoiler:(Phoenix just stares at him, Godot's visor is smoking, the judge is shocked and the whole court room is completely silent)]]
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler: (Got him. At lastů)]]
---> [[spoiler:'''Tigre''': Wh-What? Why's everyone gone quiet?]]
---> '''Phoenix''': [[spoiler: You were summoned to court for the first time. If you really have nothing to do with this you shouldn't have know those details. How did you know the exact description of the bottle that contains potassium cyanide?]]
** And another involved an extremely subtle lie. [[spoiler: 'Adrian In Case 2-4, [[spoiler:'Adrian Andrews' is a pretty masculine name, so Wright leads Shelly De Killer on by letting Shelly lie about his meeting with Adrian. He uses male pronouns, so Shelly uses them too...and then Wright accuses him of lying about having ever met Adrian in the first place. Adrian is a woman.]]woman]].



* An amusing example in in ''[[Franchise/TheElderScrolls The Elder Scrolls]]'': One of the in-game books (found in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) tells of a prince who throws a lavish dinner for several of his advisers. After dinner, he brings out a dessert and explains that some of the advisers are spies and were poisoned during the dinner (the narrator is in fact a spy, and it's strongly hinted that [[FlockOfWolves the rest of the advisers present]] are spies as well). He then says that the dessert contains the antidote. This presents [[MortonsFork a conundrum]] to the attendees - eat the dessert and essentially confess to being a spy, or refrain and possibly die from poison? One of them finally decides to eat... [[spoiler: and dies rather horribly from the poison in the dessert]]. The tale ends with the narrator begging his superiors to be removed from his position. "I cannot win at the games [[MagnificentBastard he]] mastered long ago."

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* An amusing example in in ''[[Franchise/TheElderScrolls The Elder Scrolls]]'': One of the in-game books (found in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) tells of a prince who throws a lavish dinner for several of his advisers. After dinner, he brings out a dessert and explains that some of the advisers are spies and were poisoned during the dinner (the narrator is in fact a spy, and it's strongly hinted that [[FlockOfWolves the rest of the advisers present]] are spies as well). He then says that the dessert contains the antidote. This presents [[MortonsFork a conundrum]] to the attendees - -- eat the dessert and essentially confess to being a spy, or refrain and possibly die from poison? One of them finally decides to eat... [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and dies rather horribly from the poison in the dessert]]. The tale ends with the narrator begging his superiors to be removed from his position. "I cannot win at the games [[MagnificentBastard he]] mastered long ago."
8th Oct '16 6:22:04 PM dmcreif
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** David Simon wrote the ol' photocopier-as-lie-detector trick into yet another series, when Bunk uses it in the opening scene of the fifth season.
** The first season has a particularly egregious example, where the detectives claim that a picture of Bunk's kids are the kids of a murder victim in order to get D'Angelo Barksdale (himself the father of of a young boy) to write a letter saying he's sorry to them. While D'Angelo is mostly writing his condolences and such, the cops hope he will accidentally write something that incriminates either himself or his drug kingpin uncle. D'Angelo's lawyer arrives in time to snatch the letter away, and his the-morons-I-have-to-deal-with demeanor is hilarious.
** This backfired on the cops in another case. A perp was supposed to clean and dispose of a group of guns he and other members of his gang used in a gunfight. The disposal part goes wrong, the cops get ahold of the guns, and bring the perp in. During the interrogation, when he won't implicate himself, they pull out the guns and [[BluffingTheMurderer claim they have his fingerprints on one of them]]. The perp knows he cleaned the guns ''very'' thoroughly, so he challenges them to point out which gun supposedly has his fingerprints. [[CluelessDetective The not too bright detective]], rather than making up an excuse, points to one of the guns at random. It turns out he's pointing to a gun the perp never held, giving away that the cops have no actual hard evidence.

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** David Simon wrote the ol' photocopier-as-lie-detector trick (detailed below) into yet another series, when Bunk uses and Jay Landsman use it in the opening scene of the fifth season.
** The first season has a particularly egregious example, where the detectives claim that [=McNulty=] and Bunk [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6sP6ZiNjbU pass off a picture of Bunk's kids are kids]] as the fictitious kids of a murder victim witness killed on Avon Barksdale's orders, in order to get Avon's nephew D'Angelo Barksdale (himself the father of of a young boy) to write a letter saying he's sorry to them. While D'Angelo is mostly writing his condolences and such, the cops interrogators hope he will accidentally write something that incriminates either himself or his drug kingpin uncle. D'Angelo's lawyer Too bad Maurice Levy arrives in time to snatch the letter and his client away, and his the-morons-I-have-to-deal-with "the-morons-I-have-to-deal-with" demeanor is hilarious.
** This backfired backfires on the cops in another case. A perp was supposed to clean After Bodie's crew gets into a gunfight with another crew and dispose of a group of young boy is killed by a stray round, Stringer tasks Bodie with disposing the guns he and other members of his gang used in a gunfight. that were used. The disposal part goes wrong, wrong[[note]]Bodie puts them in a satchel, and tosses the satchel out as he's driven over a bridge. He doesn't see them land on a barge beneath the bridge[[/note]], the cops get ahold of the guns, and bring the perp Bodie in. During the interrogation, Norris and Cole try to break Bodie, but when he Bodie won't implicate himself, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RstJ8jzlCCo they pull out the guns guns]] and [[BluffingTheMurderer claim Cole claims they have his fingerprints on one of them]]. The perp Bodie knows he cleaned the guns ''very'' thoroughly, so he challenges them to point out calls Cole's bluff by asking which gun supposedly has his fingerprints. [[CluelessDetective The not too bright detective]], Cole]], rather than making up an excuse, points to one of the guns at random. It turns out he's pointing to a gun the perp Bodie never held, giving away that the cops have no actual hard evidence.evidence. Bodie promptly asks for a lawyer.
8th Oct '16 6:14:19 PM dmcreif
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%%** Simon also notes other things of even more dubious legality, such as using a ''Xerox copier'' as a lie detector. The detectives load three sheets of paper, reading "truth", "truth", "lie" into the machine. The questions are answered, and "copy" pressed. What is your name? "Alice" Truth. Where do you live? "Troperville". Truth. Did you kill Bob on the night of the 25th? "No". Lie. Well well well. You lying motherfucker. Confession. Another detective uses the sobriety test ("look at my finger, cross your eyes, stand on one leg"), telling a perp it is a kind of ninja truth technique. This works. Another extremely stupid suspect admits to beating a woman into unconsciousness, robbing her, and orally raping her, but is convinced by a detective's assurance that, because he didn't actually strike the mortal blow, he cannot be charged. As one detective notes: "Ignorant motherfucker."

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%%** ** Simon also notes other things of even more dubious legality, such as [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgrO_rAaiq0 using a ''Xerox copier'' Xerox copier as a lie detector. detector]]. The detectives load three sheets of paper, reading "truth", "truth", "lie" "false" into the machine. The questions are answered, and "copy" pressed. What is ''The Wire'' features this in its season 5 premiere:
-->'''Bunk:''' Let's start with an easy one. Is
your name? "Alice" Truth. Where name in fact [=DeShawn=] Fredericks?
-->'''[=DeShawn=]:''' Yeah. ''[Landsman presses the button. The machine spits out the first "truth" sheet]''
-->'''Ed Norris:''' Truth.
-->'''Bunk:''' And
do you live? "Troperville". Truth. Did reside, in fact, in the 1200 block of Woodyear Street in West Baltimore?
-->'''[=DeShawn=]:''' Yeah.
-->''[Landsman presses the button. The machine spits out the second "truth" sheet]''
-->'''Ed Norris:''' Truth.
-->'''Bunk:''' And did
you kill Bob and Monell shoot your boy Pookie down on Cary Street just like Monell said you did?
-->'''[=DeShawn=]:''' No! No.
-->''[Landsman presses
the night of the 25th? "No". button. The "false" sheet is spat out]''
-->'''Ed Norris:'''
Lie. Well well well. You You're a lying motherfucker. Confession. Another motherfucker.
-->'''Bunk:''' ''[imitates losing horns]''
-->'''Jay Landsman:''' The machine is never wrong, son.
**Another
detective uses the sobriety test ("look at my finger, cross your eyes, stand on one leg"), telling a perp it is a kind of ninja truth technique. This works. Another
**Another
extremely stupid suspect admits to beating a woman into unconsciousness, robbing her, and orally raping her, but is convinced by a detective's assurance that, because he didn't actually strike the mortal blow, he cannot be charged. As one detective notes: "Ignorant motherfucker.""
* Most of the techniques police interrogators use are similarly used by journalists to get subjects to be more open than they normally might be.
29th Sep '16 11:49:38 PM PaulA
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* In Creator/MichaelConnelly's ''The Scarecrow'', the cops questioning Alonzo Winslow employ this tactic when they tell him his hands match the strangling marks found on the victim's neck. He replies that the victim wasn't strangled. Not only he comes with a reason to know this in spite of not being the killer but he turns out to be the innocent man he claims to be.

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* In Creator/MichaelConnelly's ''The Scarecrow'', ''Literature/TheScarecrow'', the cops questioning Alonzo Winslow employ this tactic when they tell him his hands match the strangling marks found on the victim's neck. He replies that the victim wasn't strangled. Not only he comes with a reason to know this in spite of not being the killer but he turns out to be the innocent man he claims to be.
14th Jul '16 6:59:39 AM TheWanderer
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** The first season has a particularly egregious example, where the detectives claim that a picture of Bunk's kids are the kids of a murder victim in order to get D'Angelo Barksdale to write a letter saying he's sorry to them. His lawyer arrives in time to snatch it off him, and his the-morons-I-have-to-deal-with demeanor is hilarious.

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** The first season has a particularly egregious example, where the detectives claim that a picture of Bunk's kids are the kids of a murder victim in order to get D'Angelo Barksdale (himself the father of of a young boy) to write a letter saying he's sorry to them. His While D'Angelo is mostly writing his condolences and such, the cops hope he will accidentally write something that incriminates either himself or his drug kingpin uncle. D'Angelo's lawyer arrives in time to snatch it off him, the letter away, and his the-morons-I-have-to-deal-with demeanor is hilarious.hilarious.
** This backfired on the cops in another case. A perp was supposed to clean and dispose of a group of guns he and other members of his gang used in a gunfight. The disposal part goes wrong, the cops get ahold of the guns, and bring the perp in. During the interrogation, when he won't implicate himself, they pull out the guns and [[BluffingTheMurderer claim they have his fingerprints on one of them]]. The perp knows he cleaned the guns ''very'' thoroughly, so he challenges them to point out which gun supposedly has his fingerprints. [[CluelessDetective The not too bright detective]], rather than making up an excuse, points to one of the guns at random. It turns out he's pointing to a gun the perp never held, giving away that the cops have no actual hard evidence.
24th Jun '16 11:48:23 AM Morgenthaler
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Frequently results in INeverSaidItWasPoison. This is one situation where the perp would usually be smart to have a lawyer around to remind him "DontAnswerThat".

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Frequently results in INeverSaidItWasPoison. This is one situation where the perp would usually be smart to have a lawyer around to remind him "DontAnswerThat". See also MustStateIfYoureACop.
11th Jun '16 3:55:27 AM Megazord
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* An early ''Series/CSINewYork'' episode has a victim whose head was slammed into a restaurant oven; the victim staggered out of the restaurant and collapsed on the street. During the interrogation, the suspect is told "then you followed him out and shot him dead." The suspect immediately admits to the head-slam but not the gunshot, only to discover the victim died of the head trauma and was never shot.

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* An early ''Series/CSINewYork'' episode has a victim whose head was [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown slammed into repeatedly by a restaurant oven; oven]]; the victim staggered out of the restaurant and collapsed on the street. During the interrogation, the suspect is told by Aiden "then you followed him out and shot him dead." The suspect immediately admits to the head-slam but not the gunshot, only to discover the victim died of the head trauma and was never shot.shot.
-->'''Aiden:''' Officers can lie to the suspects. Legally''.
7th Jun '16 12:10:35 AM Gideoncrawle
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->'''Simone Bryce''': They do it all the time; [[DontAnswerThat that's why I told you to stop.]]

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->'''Simone Bryce''': They do it all the time; [[DontAnswerThat that's why I told you to stop.]]
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