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2nd Apr '15 12:03:16 AM jormis29
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-->''Among men, Lu Bu. Among horses, Red Hare.''\\
-- The ''Cao Man Zhuan''

Style name: Feng Xian. Japanese name: Ryofu Housen.

One of the most well-known names from the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', Lu Bu (呂布 or 吕布) is well known as one of China's most powerful warriors, but also known in the novel for being [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder a backstabbing traitor]].

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!Lu Bu in other media:
* ''VideoGame/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' by Koei, in which Lu Bu is a mainstay and usually well known for his impressive WAR stat. His only drawback is his dumbass INT, which makes him suspectible to ploys.
* ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors''. Lu Bu is usually an antagonistic super boss, serving Dong Zhuo before striking on his own. There is a saying: "[[MemeticMutation Don't pursue Lu Bu.]]" You'd be best to heed that when you hear that being said. Although in your hand, he's usually a GameBreaker.
** This carries over in ''WarriorsOrochi'' where Lu Bu sided with Orochi to find worthy opponents throughout the ages. He finds two: Honda Tadakatsu in the first game, and Minamoto no Yoshitsune in the second game. Poor Orochi didn't take account of Lu Bu's backstabbing record, so he ended up betraying Orochi at one point.
* As with the genderflip ''IkkiTousen'', Lu Bu's counterpart is Ryofu, a troubled buxom girl who served under Toutaku (Dong Zhuo), but ended up betraying him and dying together with her lover Chinkyuu (... Chen Gong!?). She came back temporarily for the 3rd season.
* And again with genderflipping, in ''KoihimeMusou'', Lu Bu/Ryofu is instead an EmotionlessGirl who likes animals. This is really contrasting to the historical/novel impulsive and hotheaded Lu Bu.
* ''VideoGame/WorldHeroes'' features 'Lu Bu' as a playable character, here named Ryofu.
* In ''FateExtra'', Lu Bu becomes a Berserker-class Servant under Rani VIII.
* In ''{{Tekken}}'' although Lu Bu doesn't appear in person, Feng Wei has a move called 'Spear of Lu Bu' and he can be customized to look like he's wearing Lu Bu's attire.
* In the Panda Entertainment fighter/strategy game series ''SangoFighter'', Lu Bu is a rather unremarkable ''Dragon'' to CaoCao in the first game(having more moves than everyone else helps though), but gets a BadassUpgrade in the second. For starters, he has 3 bars(300HP) compared to everyone else's 2 in the strategy mode. For another, if you can't kill him in a single "round"(defined as every faction taking a turn), he completely heals up by the next, even if he was down to a single HP. Everyone else has to settle for 20/25/30 HP healed per turn. For gameplay balance, that's justifiable, since he's the only faction that has no backup generals, so if he loses, it's game over for his owner(CPU or player). He also has 3 different ways to use up his super bar(projectile/uppercut/grab), compared to most others' 1 or 2. Those with projectiles get upgraded projectiles, some have super grabs, others, like Xu Ju(the fat guy with the yellow do-rag) have ONLY the super grab(which makes him dangerous up close, as he won't accidentally use up his bar on anything else).
* ''The Manhua/RavagesOfTime'' has quite the subversion of the novel in its depiction of Lu Bu: [[spoiler:he's [[GeniusBruiser brawn ''and'' brains]], though just as backstabbing-prone... [[CreatorsPet not that the author minds that]]]].
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-->''Among men, Lu Bu. Among horses, Red Hare.''\\
-- The ''Cao Man Zhuan''

Style name: Feng Xian. Japanese name: Ryofu Housen.

One of the most well-known names from the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', Lu Bu (呂布 or 吕布) is well known as one of China's most powerful warriors, but also known in the novel for being [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder a backstabbing traitor]].

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!Lu Bu in other media:
* ''VideoGame/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' by Koei, in which Lu Bu is a mainstay and usually well known for his impressive WAR stat. His only drawback is his dumbass INT, which makes him suspectible to ploys.
* ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors''. Lu Bu is usually an antagonistic super boss, serving Dong Zhuo before striking on his own. There is a saying: "[[MemeticMutation Don't pursue Lu Bu.]]" You'd be best to heed that when you hear that being said. Although in your hand, he's usually a GameBreaker.
** This carries over in ''WarriorsOrochi'' where Lu Bu sided with Orochi to find worthy opponents throughout the ages. He finds two: Honda Tadakatsu in the first game, and Minamoto no Yoshitsune in the second game. Poor Orochi didn't take account of Lu Bu's backstabbing record, so he ended up betraying Orochi at one point.
* As with the genderflip ''IkkiTousen'', Lu Bu's counterpart is Ryofu, a troubled buxom girl who served under Toutaku (Dong Zhuo), but ended up betraying him and dying together with her lover Chinkyuu (... Chen Gong!?). She came back temporarily for the 3rd season.
* And again with genderflipping, in ''KoihimeMusou'', Lu Bu/Ryofu is instead an EmotionlessGirl who likes animals. This is really contrasting to the historical/novel impulsive and hotheaded Lu Bu.
* ''VideoGame/WorldHeroes'' features 'Lu Bu' as a playable character, here named Ryofu.
* In ''FateExtra'', Lu Bu becomes a Berserker-class Servant under Rani VIII.
* In ''{{Tekken}}'' although Lu Bu doesn't appear in person, Feng Wei has a move called 'Spear of Lu Bu' and he can be customized to look like he's wearing Lu Bu's attire.
* In the Panda Entertainment fighter/strategy game series ''SangoFighter'', Lu Bu is a rather unremarkable ''Dragon'' to CaoCao in the first game(having more moves than everyone else helps though), but gets a BadassUpgrade in the second. For starters, he has 3 bars(300HP) compared to everyone else's 2 in the strategy mode. For another, if you can't kill him in a single "round"(defined as every faction taking a turn), he completely heals up by the next, even if he was down to a single HP. Everyone else has to settle for 20/25/30 HP healed per turn. For gameplay balance, that's justifiable, since he's the only faction that has no backup generals, so if he loses, it's game over for his owner(CPU or player). He also has 3 different ways to use up his super bar(projectile/uppercut/grab), compared to most others' 1 or 2. Those with projectiles get upgraded projectiles, some have super grabs, others, like Xu Ju(the fat guy with the yellow do-rag) have ONLY the super grab(which makes him dangerous up close, as he won't accidentally use up his bar on anything else).
* ''The Manhua/RavagesOfTime'' has quite the subversion of the novel in its depiction of Lu Bu: [[spoiler:he's [[GeniusBruiser brawn ''and'' brains]], though just as backstabbing-prone... [[CreatorsPet not that the author minds that]]]].
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1st Apr '15 9:07:54 PM nombretomado
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* ''DynastyWarriors''. Lu Bu is usually an antagonistic super boss, serving Dong Zhuo before striking on his own. There is a saying: "[[MemeticMutation Don't pursue Lu Bu.]]" You'd be best to heed that when you hear that being said. Although in your hand, he's usually a GameBreaker.

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* ''DynastyWarriors''.''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors''. Lu Bu is usually an antagonistic super boss, serving Dong Zhuo before striking on his own. There is a saying: "[[MemeticMutation Don't pursue Lu Bu.]]" You'd be best to heed that when you hear that being said. Although in your hand, he's usually a GameBreaker.
18th Aug '14 10:13:00 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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One of the most well-known names from the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', Lu Bu (呂布 or 吕布) is well known as one of China's most powerful warrior, but also known in the novel for being [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder a backstabbing traitor]].

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One of the most well-known names from the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', Lu Bu (呂布 or 吕布) is well known as one of China's most powerful warrior, warriors, but also known in the novel for being [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder a backstabbing traitor]].



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6th Aug '14 1:45:24 PM desdendelle
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-->''Among men, Lu Bu. Among horses, Red Hare'' The Cao Man Zhuan(History)

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-->''Among men, Lu Bu. Among horses, Red Hare'' Hare.''\\
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The Cao ''Cao Man Zhuan(History)
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20th Jan '14 8:40:50 AM manusiabumi
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One of the most well-known names from the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', Lu Bu is well known as one of China's most powerful warrior, but also known in the novel for being [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder a backstabbing traitor]].

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One of the most well-known names from the ''RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', Lu Bu (呂布 or 吕布) is well known as one of China's most powerful warrior, but also known in the novel for being [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder a backstabbing traitor]].
18th Nov '13 5:17:21 AM Jauce
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His real parents were unknown but he made his first appearance in history as a commander of Ding Yuan (in the novel, he's actually a foster son). After being persuaded to betray Ding Yuan, Lu Bu did so with gusto and served Dong Zhuo. Unlike the novel/games, he was not persuaded by the offer of the mighty steed Red Hare. He was persuaded due to a means of survival, Ding Yuan was foolishly challenging Dong Zhuo when he got less than 1/5 of Dong Soldiers, Lu Bu staying would've certainly lead to his death.

Therefore Lu Bu went on to served Dong Zhuo. He was a highly talented commander that was an asset to those he served, unlike in the games/novel where his only greatest asset is his mighty combat skill. Sadly,he was a step below the best of that area, thus leading to his defeat from the undefeated at the time Sun Jian, who repelled and defeated Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo;s forces. Dong Zhuo slowly began retreating and decisively beaten at the Hu Lao Gate.

Later on, after Dong Zhuo initiated the Puppet Emperor incident, Lu Bu was persuaded by Wang Yun to betray and kill Dong Zhuo with reasoning of 'for the best of the Han Dynasty'. Lu Bu agreed, on basis that Dong Zhuo pissed him off like throwing axes at the former during the latter's fit of rage (in the novel/games, it is compounded with Wang Yun using his daughter Diao Chan to seduce both Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo, Lu Bu fell in love with her for real). After Dong Zhuo's assassination, Lu Bu escaped on his own.

For awhile, Lu Bu worked as a mercenary under Yuan Shao, fighting against Cao Cao. However, Lu Bu quickly grew discontented and attempted leaving. Yuan Shao told him to stay put, but Lu Bu didn't listen, and none of Yuan Shao's men dared to pursue Lu Bu.

Lu Bu then was involved in skirmishes against Cao Cao, but due to famine and territory problems, he was pushed back, although Lu Bu did have occasional near-successes of capturing Cao Cao, but due to devil's luck, Cao Cao was set free. That devil's luck being none of Lu Bu's men recognized Cao Cao.

Further skirmishes drove Lu Bu out and he sought refugee to Liu Bei. At first, Liu Bei treated him nicely, but Zhang Fei blundered and killed one of Lu Bu's generals and also stole some of his horses. Thus enraged, Lu Bu took over Liu Bei's territory, causing Liu Bei to flee to Cao Cao and they join forces to defeat Lu Bu, ultimately defeating him in Xia Pi due to Guo Jia's cunning and some discontent by his men. This is different in history, where Lu Bu was actually trusted by his men and he gave them a chance to just cut his head off. They refused, and his advisor Chen Gong also apologized, Lu Bu accepted.

Lu Bu then appealed to join Cao Cao in captivity, however, after Liu Bei showed him his backstabbing record, Cao Cao had him killed by strangling. Cao Cao then proceeded to kill some of Lu Bu's former generals, and recruiting some of his finest, like Zhang Liao.

While he was indeed short-lived, one cannot deny that Lu Bu is probably the single, mightiest warrior and notable talented commander, in the age of the Three Kingdoms, that if given some luck could have made a much greater impact in his time. Sadly his lack of political skills, bad advisors, old age and having no son would had never allow him to succeed as a ruler.
26th Jul '13 1:13:34 AM Chortles
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* ''The Manhua/RavagesOfTime'' has quite the subversion of the novel in its depiction of Lu Bu: [[he's [[GeniusBruiser brawn ''and'' brains]], though just as backstabbing... [[CreatorsPet not that the author minds]]]].

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* ''The Manhua/RavagesOfTime'' has quite the subversion of the novel in its depiction of Lu Bu: [[he's [[spoiler:he's [[GeniusBruiser brawn ''and'' brains]], though just as backstabbing... backstabbing-prone... [[CreatorsPet not that the author minds]]]].minds that]]]].
26th Jul '13 1:12:21 AM Chortles
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* ''The Manhua/RavagesOfTime'' has quite the subversion of the novel in its depiction of Lu Bu: [[he's [[GeniusBruiser brawn ''and'' brains]], though just as backstabbing... [[CreatorsPet not that the author minds]]]].
1st Jul '13 5:36:28 PM ChrisX
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His real parents were unknown but he made his first appearance in history as a commander of Ding Yuan (in the novel, he's actually a foster son). After being persuaded to betray Ding Yuan, Lu Bu did so with gusto and served Dong Zhuo.Unlike the novel/games,he was not persuaded by the red hare nor a maid. He was persuaded due to a means of survival.Ding Yuan was foolishly challenging Dong Zhuo when he got less than 1/5 of Dong Soldiers.Lu Bu staying would've certainly lead to his death.

Therefore Lu Bu went on to served Dong Zhuo.Unlike the game where he was a buffoon of a commmander .He was a highly talented commander that was an asset to those he served.Sadly,he was a step below the best of that area.Leading to his defeat from the undefeated at the time Sun Jian who repel and defeated Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo forces.Dong Zhuo slowly began retreating.He then was defeated decisively at Hu Lao Gate.

Afterwards, He killed Dong after being persuaded by being persuaded by Wang Yun that its for the best of the Han dynasty.Also Dong Zhuo throwing a axes at him during his many fits of rage,destroyed any goodwill Lu Bu have for him, didn't help the matter.This was after Puppet Emperor incident. (in the novel, this was Wang Yun's plan all along, using that maid, here named Diao Chan, to make Lu Bu fall in love. He did, for real).Once more,unlike in history,Lu Bu attempt to save Wang Yun with several hundred calvary but got repel and got no choice but to escape on his own.

He then join(mercenary) Yuan in his campaign against Cao Cao and help Yuan win some major battles.Afterwards he grow discontent and decided to leave and told Yuan so.Yuan demand he stay but Lu Bu refused and Yuan ordered his men to attack Lu Bu.All of them were too scared and didn't pursue Lu Bu.

Lu Bu went on to fight against Cao Cao and gain some early success against Cao Cao.Sadly the advantage was lost when famine struck Lu Bu camp and cause him to lose most of his supplies.Cao Cao took the chance and somewhat acknowledged Lu Bu ability by personally leading the counterattack against Lu Bu himself. Lu Bu slowly lost most of his territory due to both the famine and the area being fought at being a very tough place to defend.Explain Lu Bu own early success. It took Cao Cao two years but he eventually push Lu Bu out.In one of the last battles in the area.Lu Bu men luckily manages to captured Cao Cao but let him go since none of them recognize Cao Cao.

Lu Bu then out of a need survive attacked Liu Bei territory and took it from Zhang Fei.He unlike in history let Zhang Fei and Liu Bei family go and treat them nicely. In spite of Zhang Fei destroying Lu Bu earlier attempt of befriending Liu Bei by attacking and killing one of Lu Bu general.
Liu Bei came to Cao Cao and ask for his help and retaking his territory and together they fought against Lu Bu and eventually defeating him one and for all in Xia Pi.
Several of his officers began to leave him,but his soldiers refuse to leave him and fought to the bitter end. Unlike the novel/game,he has the trust/love of his soliders. Historian said a little too much tolerance and not enough discipline that might'd cause him.Forward,
Lu Bu knowing defeat was imminent tell his men to cut his head off and gave it to Cao Cao.All of them refused to do so and he eventually the battle ended. Chen Gong(formerly Cao Cao advisor before Lu Bu),the only advisor that Lu Bu got that hasn't betrayed him of the three, came to Lu Bu and Apologize to him for almost single handily causing his countless defeat .Lu Bu didn't minded and thank him for his services or loyalty.
Lu Bu tried to appeal to Cao Cao's services and also Liu Bei who he saved earlier with robin hood feat, but Liu Bei showed Lu Bu's backstabbing record, Cao Cao refused his services and had Lu Bu executed. Cao Cao then proceeds kill most of those who were loyal to Lu Bu and recruit the less loyal of Lu Bu's men.Zhang Liao came afterwards and surrender to Cao Cao.He wasn't in Xia Pi at the time and therefore wasn't captured along with Lu Bu.He came after Lu Bu has been executed by strangulation. Gran Yu at the time wanted Lu Bu beautiful wife which was an inspiration for Diao Chan and ask Cao Cao for her.Cao Cao was intrigue and after seeing her took her for himself. She later give Cao Cao several kids.

Betrayal-Ding was arrogant and would've certainly died against Dong Zhuo. Dong was losing territory and was overall a bad person to Lu Bu and the empire.Liu Bei was the only one true betrayal of Lu Bu and the one that got him kill.Nonetheless,novel/games tend to make him out to be a betrayer of massive proportion when in history at worst there only three betrayal and really only one true betrayal.Of course it is against Liu Bei who is made out to be nearly a saint in the novel/games and by upgrading his first master to be his adopted father while ignoring that Dong Zhuo actions are definitely not fatherly.

While he was indeed short-lived, one cannot deny that Lu Bu is probably the single, mightiest warrior and notable talented commander, in the age of the Three Kingdoms,that if given some luck could have made a much greater impact in his time.Sadly his lack of political skills,bad advisers,old age and having no son would had never allow him to succeed as a ruler.
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His real parents were unknown but he made his first appearance in history as a commander of Ding Yuan (in the novel, he's actually a foster son). After being persuaded to betray Ding Yuan, Lu Bu did so with gusto and served Dong Zhuo. Unlike the novel/games,he novel/games, he was not persuaded by the red hare nor a maid. offer of the mighty steed Red Hare. He was persuaded due to a means of survival.survival, Ding Yuan was foolishly challenging Dong Zhuo when he got less than 1/5 of Dong Soldiers.Soldiers, Lu Bu staying would've certainly lead to his death.

Therefore Lu Bu went on to served Dong Zhuo.Unlike the game where he was a buffoon of a commmander .Zhuo. He was a highly talented commander that was an asset to those he served.served, unlike in the games/novel where his only greatest asset is his mighty combat skill. Sadly,he was a step below the best of that area.Leading area, thus leading to his defeat from the undefeated at the time Sun Jian Jian, who repel repelled and defeated Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo forces.Zhuo;s forces. Dong Zhuo slowly began retreating.He then was defeated retreating and decisively beaten at the Hu Lao Gate.

Afterwards, He killed Dong
Gate.

Later on,
after being persuaded by being Dong Zhuo initiated the Puppet Emperor incident, Lu Bu was persuaded by Wang Yun that its for to betray and kill Dong Zhuo with reasoning of 'for the best of the Han dynasty.Also Dynasty'. Lu Bu agreed, on basis that Dong Zhuo pissed him off like throwing a axes at him the former during his many fits of rage,destroyed any goodwill Lu Bu have for him, didn't help the matter.This was after Puppet Emperor incident. latter's fit of rage (in the novel, this was Wang Yun's plan all along, using that maid, here named Diao Chan, to make Lu Bu fall in love. He did, for real).Once more,unlike in history,Lu Bu attempt to save novel/games, it is compounded with Wang Yun using his daughter Diao Chan to seduce both Lu Bu and Dong Zhuo, Lu Bu fell in love with several hundred calvary but got repel and got no choice but to escape her for real). After Dong Zhuo's assassination, Lu Bu escaped on his own.

He then join(mercenary) For awhile, Lu Bu worked as a mercenary under Yuan in his campaign Shao, fighting against Cao Cao and help Yuan win some major battles.Afterwards he grow discontent and decided to leave and told Yuan so.Yuan demand he stay but Cao. However, Lu Bu refused quickly grew discontented and attempted leaving. Yuan ordered his men to attack Lu Bu.All of them were too scared and didn't pursue Lu Bu.

Lu Bu went on to fight against Cao Cao and gain some early success against Cao Cao.Sadly the advantage was lost when famine struck Lu Bu camp and cause
Shao told him to lose most of his supplies.Cao Cao took the chance and somewhat acknowledged Lu Bu ability by personally leading the counterattack against Lu Bu himself. Lu Bu slowly lost most of his territory due to both the famine and the area being fought at being a very tough place to defend.Explain Lu Bu own early success. It took Cao Cao two years stay put, but he eventually push Lu Bu out.In one of the last battles in the area.Lu Bu men luckily manages to captured Cao Cao but let him go since none of them recognize Cao Cao.

Lu Bu then out of a need survive attacked Liu Bei territory and took it from Zhang Fei.He unlike in history let Zhang Fei and Liu Bei family go and treat them nicely. In spite of Zhang Fei destroying Lu Bu earlier attempt of befriending Liu Bei by attacking and killing one of Lu Bu general.
Liu Bei came to Cao Cao and ask for his help and retaking his territory and together they fought against Lu Bu and eventually defeating him one and for all in Xia Pi.
Several of his officers began to leave him,but his soldiers refuse to leave him and fought to the bitter end. Unlike the novel/game,he has the trust/love of his soliders. Historian said a little too much tolerance and not enough discipline that might'd cause him.Forward,
Lu Bu knowing defeat was imminent tell his men to cut his head off and gave it to Cao Cao.All of them refused to do so and he eventually the battle ended. Chen Gong(formerly Cao Cao advisor before Lu Bu),the only advisor that Lu Bu got that hasn't betrayed him of the three, came to Lu Bu and Apologize to him for almost single handily causing his countless defeat .
Lu Bu didn't minded listen, and thank him for his services or loyalty.
none of Yuan Shao's men dared to pursue Lu Bu.

Lu Bu tried to appeal to then was involved in skirmishes against Cao Cao's services Cao, but due to famine and territory problems, he was pushed back, although Lu Bu did have occasional near-successes of capturing Cao Cao, but due to devil's luck, Cao Cao was set free. That devil's luck being none of Lu Bu's men recognized Cao Cao.

Further skirmishes drove Lu Bu out and he sought refugee to Liu Bei. At first, Liu Bei treated him nicely, but Zhang Fei blundered and killed one of Lu Bu's generals
and also stole some of his horses. Thus enraged, Lu Bu took over Liu Bei's territory, causing Liu Bei who to flee to Cao Cao and they join forces to defeat Lu Bu, ultimately defeating him in Xia Pi due to Guo Jia's cunning and some discontent by his men. This is different in history, where Lu Bu was actually trusted by his men and he saved earlier with robin hood feat, but gave them a chance to just cut his head off. They refused, and his advisor Chen Gong also apologized, Lu Bu accepted.

Lu Bu then appealed to join Cao Cao in captivity, however, after
Liu Bei showed Lu Bu's him his backstabbing record, Cao Cao refused his services and had Lu Bu executed. him killed by strangling. Cao Cao then proceeds proceeded to kill most of those who were loyal to Lu Bu and recruit the less loyal some of Lu Bu's men.former generals, and recruiting some of his finest, like Zhang Liao came afterwards and surrender to Cao Cao.He wasn't in Xia Pi at the time and therefore wasn't captured along with Lu Bu.He came after Lu Bu has been executed by strangulation. Gran Yu at the time wanted Lu Bu beautiful wife which was an inspiration for Diao Chan and ask Cao Cao for her.Cao Cao was intrigue and after seeing her took her for himself. She later give Cao Cao several kids.

Betrayal-Ding was arrogant and would've certainly died against Dong Zhuo. Dong was losing territory and was overall a bad person to Lu Bu and the empire.Liu Bei was the only one true betrayal of Lu Bu and the one that got him kill.Nonetheless,novel/games tend to make him out to be a betrayer of massive proportion when in history at worst there only three betrayal and really only one true betrayal.Of course it is against Liu Bei who is made out to be nearly a saint in the novel/games and by upgrading his first master to be his adopted father while ignoring that Dong Zhuo actions are definitely not fatherly.

Liao.

While he was indeed short-lived, one cannot deny that Lu Bu is probably the single, mightiest warrior and notable talented commander, in the age of the Three Kingdoms,that Kingdoms, that if given some luck could have made a much greater impact in his time.time. Sadly his lack of political skills,bad advisers,old skills, bad advisors, old age and having no son would had never allow him to succeed as a ruler.
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5th Jun '13 11:01:22 PM ZeroSeeker
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Betrayal-Ding was arrogant and would've certainly died against Dong Zhuo. Dong was losing territory and was overall a bad person to Lu Bu and the empire.Liu Bei was the only one true betrayal of Lu Bu and the one that got him kill.Nonetheless,novel/games tend to make him out to be a betrayer of massive proportion when in history at worst there only three betrayal and really only one true betrayal.Of course it is against Liu Bei who is made out to be nearly a saint in the novel/games and by upgrading his two masters to be his adopted fathers.

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Betrayal-Ding was arrogant and would've certainly died against Dong Zhuo. Dong was losing territory and was overall a bad person to Lu Bu and the empire.Liu Bei was the only one true betrayal of Lu Bu and the one that got him kill.Nonetheless,novel/games tend to make him out to be a betrayer of massive proportion when in history at worst there only three betrayal and really only one true betrayal.Of course it is against Liu Bei who is made out to be nearly a saint in the novel/games and by upgrading his two masters first master to be his adopted fathers.
father while ignoring that Dong Zhuo actions are definitely not fatherly.
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