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2nd Dec '16 3:11:05 PM KeithM
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* During the Russian Civil War the Red Army was being routinely hammered by the Whites and all the revolutionary proletarian fervor in the world couldn't help them. Trotsky made the decision to recruit former Imperial Russian Army officers, despite the Communists' lumping them as members of the corrupt system they were trying to overthrow, and they managed to instill some professionalism and experience. Well, until a younger Stalin locked many of them in barges and sank them in the Volga River.
2nd Dec '16 3:04:40 PM KeithM
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* One of the points proponents of allowing gay members of the United States military to serve had against those arguing that allowing gay troops would somehow lower unit morale or effect unit discipline was that when the United States desperately needed people in uniform in the past they tended to be less interested in their personal lives and overlook things no matter how transparent the closet was, and there was no discernible effect even if everyone around a gay soldier knew they were gay.
2nd Dec '16 2:43:03 PM sgamer82
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* In the Sith Warrior storyline of ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', your initial mentor comments that this policy was recently put into practice within the Sith Academy, due to the heavy losses of the war. In an inversion, your character is one of the elite who is there legitimately (sort of--in a sort-of ironic inversion, your mentor gives you special treatment while trying to prove his point about the lowered standards), while TheRival is one whose presence owes itself to the Lowered Standards.
** The Sith Inquisitor PlayerCharacter is also one of the Lowered Standards (as your Overseer and rival constantly point out), but doesn't stay that way for long.

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In the Sith Warrior storyline of ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', storyline, your initial mentor comments that this policy was recently put into practice within the Sith Academy, due to the heavy losses of the war. In an inversion, your character is one of the elite who is there legitimately (sort of--in a sort-of ironic inversion, your mentor gives you special treatment while trying to prove his point about the lowered standards), while TheRival is one whose presence owes itself to the Lowered Standards.
** The Sith Inquisitor PlayerCharacter is also one of the Lowered Standards (as Standards, as your Overseer and rival constantly point out), out, but doesn't stay that way for long.






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2nd Dec '16 12:53:15 AM aaronupright
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* In the [[WarOnTerror]], the US Military's problems have been well documented. Whats not often appreciated is that this also happened with the other major militaries which have been in action, i.e the UK and the Pakistani armed forces have also had to lower standards. As of 2016 as the major troop commitments have wound down, all three have suddenly and ruthlessly reimposed exacting standards.
** Incidentally, the reasons given for the shortage of troops has been since all three militaries expected to fight short and bloody wars against conventional opponets, menaing you would not have time to raise new troops during war and lots of time to replacd losses aftewards. This did not translate well to the conditions of the War on Terror; a low level war lasting approximatley forever/
** The major UK, NATO allies most notably did not lower standards during the war and their armies dis not grow. Whether this was to keep the quality of their armed force high (as they claimed) or whether that was an excuse not to increase size of their armies and avoid major responsibilities and therefore unpopular casualties, (as some US Military leaders insist) is not to be discussed here.

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* In the [[WarOnTerror]], War on Terror, the US Military's problems have been well documented. Whats not often appreciated is that this also happened with the other major militaries which have been in action, i.e the UK and the Pakistani armed forces have also had to lower standards. As of 2016 as the major troop commitments have wound down, all three have suddenly and ruthlessly reimposed exacting standards.
** Incidentally, the reasons given for the shortage of troops has been since all three militaries expected to fight short and bloody wars against conventional opponets, menaing opponents, meaning you would not have time to raise new troops during war and lots of time to replacd replace losses aftewards. afterwards. This did not translate well to the conditions of the War on Terror; a low level war lasting approximatley forever/
approximately forever.
** The major UK, non-UK, NATO allies most notably did not lower standards during the war and their armies dis did not grow. Whether this was to keep the quality of their armed force high (as they claimed) or whether that was an excuse not to increase size of their armies and avoid major responsibilities and therefore unpopular casualties, (as some US Military leaders insist) is not to be discussed here.
2nd Dec '16 12:50:46 AM aaronupright
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As anyone in, well any Armed Forces can tell you, this is certainly [[TruthInTelevision]]



* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS Waffen SS]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Initially membership was open to "[[MasterRace Aryans]]" only in accordance with the racial policies of the [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi state]], but the rules were partially relaxed in 1940, and UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler authorized the formation of units composed largely or solely of foreign volunteers and conscripts as the war went on. By the end of the war, non-Germans made up more than 50 percent of the Waffen SS.
** The Germans had to depend on this more and more as the war turned against them. One of the first examples were the ''Luftwaffe'' Field Divisions, which essentially took auxiliary and non-essential air force personnel and pressed them into frontline service. Their battle prowess was about as good as you can expect. By 1944, anyone who was previously declared "medically unfit" was allowed to join the ''Wehrmacht''. At the end of the war, the ''Volkssturm'' was the ultimate result of this. With the ''Wehrmacht'' essentially tapped for any reserves, the Nazis began to conscript anyone who wasn't already in uniform to fight against the Red Army. The majority of ''Volkssturm'' members were old men (many of whom were veterans of the First World War) and children from the Hitler Youth, who were far more fanatical than their older comrades.
* SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn invoked this during the Soviet-German War. Entire categories of people who had been barred from combat-roles (socialist- and liberal-sympathisers, central Asians, petty criminals), or from military service (women) were suddenly conscripted, trained, and pressed into logistics and frontline roles. Upon the war's outbreak the UsefulNotes/RedArmy had been entirely male, mostly Russian, and quite strictly Communist. Upon its end the Army was only 9/10 male, less than half-Russian, and embraced all flavours of the left-wing rainbow. This couldn't last, however, with the women and less orthodox members being quietly removed in post-war years.
* [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic The Austro-Hungarian Army]] (officer corps 76.1% German) was particularly badly affected by this in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, though the situation was still manageable while they were able to use the pre-war Army Reserve to plug the gaps (officer corps 56.8% German). Things only became truly critical when they ran out of these after repeated Italian and Russian offensives in 1916 and had to begin recruiting ''en masse'' from the country's civilian professionals (c.24% German).



** This also happens in volunteer armies in times of war, standards are gradually lowered and the army swells in size, when the war is over, standards rise back up and many of these new recruits are discharged for various reasons that the command suddenly noticed.

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** This also happens in volunteer armies in times of war, war. The need for manpower increases due to attrition (read: people getting blown up) and the fact that it seems pre-war analysis of manpower requirements never seem to be close to actual obligations which occur during wartime. Therefore standards are either gradually lowered lowered, this might be explicitly written down or implicitly by interpreting requirements loosely and by making what were supposed to be rarely granted waiviers and turning them in to something given as of routine. Eitherway the army swells in size, size
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when the war is over, standards rise back up and many of these new recruits are discharged for various reasons that individuals who came in find themselves being discharged, as the command Command suddenly noticed.noticed that they did not after all fulfill the requirements.
*In the [[WarOnTerror]], the US Military's problems have been well documented. Whats not often appreciated is that this also happened with the other major militaries which have been in action, i.e the UK and the Pakistani armed forces have also had to lower standards. As of 2016 as the major troop commitments have wound down, all three have suddenly and ruthlessly reimposed exacting standards.
**Incidentally, the reasons given for the shortage of troops has been since all three militaries expected to fight short and bloody wars against conventional opponets, menaing you would not have time to raise new troops during war and lots of time to replacd losses aftewards. This did not translate well to the conditions of the War on Terror; a low level war lasting approximatley forever/
**The major UK, NATO allies most notably did not lower standards during the war and their armies dis not grow. Whether this was to keep the quality of their armed force high (as they claimed) or whether that was an excuse not to increase size of their armies and avoid major responsibilities and therefore unpopular casualties, (as some US Military leaders insist) is not to be discussed here.
* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS Waffen SS]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Initially membership was open to "[[MasterRace Aryans]]" only in accordance with the racial policies of the [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany Nazi state]], but the rules were partially relaxed in 1940, and UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler authorized the formation of units composed largely or solely of foreign volunteers and conscripts as the war went on. By the end of the war, non-Germans made up more than 50 percent of the Waffen SS.
** The Germans had to depend on this more and more as the war turned against them. One of the first examples were the ''Luftwaffe'' Field Divisions, which essentially took auxiliary and non-essential air force personnel and pressed them into frontline service. Their battle prowess was about as good as you can expect. By 1944, anyone who was previously declared "medically unfit" was allowed to join the ''Wehrmacht''. At the end of the war, the ''Volkssturm'' was the ultimate result of this. With the ''Wehrmacht'' essentially tapped for any reserves, the Nazis began to conscript anyone who wasn't already in uniform to fight against the Red Army. The majority of ''Volkssturm'' members were old men (many of whom were veterans of the First World War) and children from the Hitler Youth, who were far more fanatical than their older comrades.
* SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn invoked this during the Soviet-German War. Entire categories of people who had been barred from combat-roles (socialist- and liberal-sympathisers, central Asians, petty criminals), or from military service (women) were suddenly conscripted, trained, and pressed into logistics and frontline roles. Upon the war's outbreak the UsefulNotes/RedArmy had been entirely male, mostly Russian, and quite strictly Communist. Upon its end the Army was only 9/10 male, less than half-Russian, and embraced all flavours of the left-wing rainbow. This couldn't last, however, with the women and less orthodox members being quietly removed in post-war years.
* [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic The Austro-Hungarian Army]] (officer corps 76.1% German) was particularly badly affected by this in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, though the situation was still manageable while they were able to use the pre-war Army Reserve to plug the gaps (officer corps 56.8% German). Things only became truly critical when they ran out of these after repeated Italian and Russian offensives in 1916 and had to begin recruiting ''en masse'' from the country's civilian professionals (c.24% German).
16th Nov '16 7:53:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* This trope is the premise behind the original ''PoliceAcademy'' movie. The mayor instituted the policy, and a resentful chief of police cooks up a plan to make the new cadets so miserable they quit.

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* This trope is the premise behind the original ''PoliceAcademy'' ''Film/PoliceAcademy'' movie. The mayor instituted the policy, and a resentful chief of police cooks up a plan to make the new cadets so miserable they quit.



* The StarWarsExpandedUniverse: TheEmpire began supplementing its clone army with recruits, a development which drew criticism from the clones. As this policy eventually gave us the ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy, the clones probably had a point.

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* The StarWarsExpandedUniverse: Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse: TheEmpire began supplementing its clone army with recruits, a development which drew criticism from the clones. As this policy eventually gave us the ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy, the clones probably had a point.
31st Aug '16 1:55:32 PM ironballs16
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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]], as a number of conscripts were of the "imprisoned or enlisted" variety.

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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]], as a number of conscripts were of the "imprisoned "[[TradingBarsForStripes imprisoned or enlisted" enlisted]]" variety.
31st Aug '16 1:54:45 PM ironballs16
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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]].

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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]].II]], as a number of conscripts were of the "imprisoned or enlisted" variety.
31st Aug '16 1:53:56 PM ironballs16
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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/TheSecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]].

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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/TheSecondSinoJapaneseWar [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]].
31st Aug '16 1:53:40 PM ironballs16
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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either.

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* Conscription has this effect on armies. The army is forced to accept many barely fit recruits who don't want to be in it either.either, and is cited as a contributing factor [[UsefulNotes/TheSecondSinoJapaneseWar the infamous "Rape of Nanjing" during World War II]].
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