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23rd Dec '17 12:11:00 AM Kalaong
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--->'''Sherrine Hartley''': Gran was a plant geneticist before they outlawed it. Pop-pop was a farmer. They still do a little bootleg bioengineering in their basement. Developed a cold-resistant strain of wheat that let them bring in a crop for three years after their neighbors went under. They had to stop last year, though. Gran seeded a rust virus that killed off their crop. ...their neighbors-葉heir good, kindly, salt-of-the-earth neighbors were starting to talk about witchcraft. They couldn't imagine any other reason why my grandparents' wheat thrived while theirs died. Peasants always believe in witchcraft.

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--->'''Sherrine Hartley''': Gran was a plant geneticist before they outlawed it. Pop-pop was a farmer. They still do a little bootleg bioengineering in their basement. Developed a cold-resistant strain of wheat that let them bring in a crop for three years after their neighbors went under. They had to stop last year, though. Gran seeded a rust virus that killed off their crop. ...their neighbors-葉heir neighbors -- their good, kindly, salt-of-the-earth neighbors -- were starting to talk about witchcraft. They couldn't imagine any other reason why my grandparents' wheat thrived while theirs died. Peasants always believe in witchcraft.
23rd Dec '17 12:10:15 AM Kalaong
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--->'''Rick Delanty''': So. We'll live. Through this winter, and the next one, and the one after that. '''As peasants!''' But if we take the easy way this time, we'll take it next time. And the next, and the next, and in fifty years your kids will hide under the bed when they hear the thunder! The way everybody used to hide from the great thunder gods. Peasants always believe in thunder gods. And the comet. We know what it was. In ten more years we'd have been able to push the damned thing out of our way! I've been in space. I won't go there again, but your children could! Hell yes! Give us that electric plant and twenty years and we'll be in space again. We know how, and all it takes is power, and that power's right there, not fifty miles from here, if we've just got guts enough to save it. Think about it. Those are the choices. Go on and be good peasants, safe peasants, superstitious peasants--- or have worlds to conquer again. To control the lightning again.

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--->'''Rick Delanty''': So. We'll live. Through this winter, and the next one, and the one after that. '''As peasants!''' But if we take the easy way this time, we'll take it next time. And the next, and the next, and in fifty years your kids will hide under the bed when they hear the thunder! The way everybody used to hide from the great thunder gods. Peasants always believe in thunder gods. And the comet. We know what it was. In ten more years we'd have been able to push the damned thing out of our way! I've been in space. I won't go there again, but your children could! Hell yes! Give us that electric plant and twenty years and we'll be in space again. We know how, and all it takes is power, and that power's right there, not fifty miles from here, if we've just got guts enough to save it. Think about it. Those are the choices. Go on and be good peasants, safe peasants, superstitious peasants--- peasants -- or have worlds to conquer again. To control the lightning again.



--->'''Sherrine Hartley''': Gran was a plant geneticist before they outlawed it. Pop用op was a farmer. They still do a little bootleg bioengineering in their basement. Developed a cold-resistant strain of wheat that let them bring in a crop for three years after their neighbors went under. They had to stop last year, though. Gran seeded a rust virus that killed off their crop. ...their neighbors-葉heir good, kindly, salt-of-the-earth neighbors were starting to talk about witchcraft. They couldn't imagine any other reason why my grandparents' wheat thrived while theirs died. Peasants always believe in witchcraft.

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--->'''Sherrine Hartley''': Gran was a plant geneticist before they outlawed it. Pop用op Pop-pop was a farmer. They still do a little bootleg bioengineering in their basement. Developed a cold-resistant strain of wheat that let them bring in a crop for three years after their neighbors went under. They had to stop last year, though. Gran seeded a rust virus that killed off their crop. ...their neighbors-葉heir good, kindly, salt-of-the-earth neighbors were starting to talk about witchcraft. They couldn't imagine any other reason why my grandparents' wheat thrived while theirs died. Peasants always believe in witchcraft.
1st Dec '17 7:19:47 PM angie710
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** Barney Gumble is another example. He is [[TheAlcoholic an alcoholic]], never seems to hold down a job for very long, is perpetually single, and lives in [[LonelyBachelorPad a run-down apartment]].
1st Dec '17 7:07:47 PM angie710
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** In another episode, Lisa has an ImagineSpot of herself when she fears that she is getting dumber. In it, she is an adult, morbidly obese and married to Ralph Wiggum, who works at a fast-food restaurant. They have several children, and Lisa spends all day in a hammock in a run-down trailer home watching {{Soap Opera}}s. She does ''not'' like what she sees, and freaks out when Homer calls her "angel-pie" in the "real" world, just as Ralph did in her ImagineSpot.

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** In another episode, Lisa has an ImagineSpot of herself when she fears that she is getting dumber. In it, she is an adult, morbidly obese and married to [[TheDitz Ralph Wiggum, Wiggum]], who works at a fast-food restaurant. They have several children, and Lisa spends all day in a hammock in a run-down trailer home watching {{Soap Opera}}s. She does ''not'' like what she sees, and freaks out when Homer calls her "angel-pie" in the "real" world, just as which was her pet-name for Ralph did in her ImagineSpot.
1st Dec '17 7:07:07 PM angie710
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* Although most of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Springfield's]] residents are middle-class or higher, there are a few of these. Cletus and Brandine Spuckler come to mind: they are stereotypical hillbillies, living in a run-down shack with 26 children, and occasionally some other relatives as well. Speaking of relatives, they are (DependingOnTheWriter) either [[BrotherSisterIncest siblings]] or [[KissingCousins cousins]]. Cletus is perpetually unemployed, while Brandine is (variously) a stripper, a Dairy Queen worker, or a soldier fighting in the UsefulNotes/WarOnTerror. Both are uneducated, as well.
** In another episode, Lisa has an ImagineSpot of herself when she fears that she is getting dumber. In it, she is an adult, morbidly obese and married to Ralph Wiggum, who works at a fast-food restaurant. They have several children, and Lisa spends all day in a hammock in a run-down trailer home watching {{Soap Opera}}s. She does ''not'' like what she sees, and freaks out when Homer calls her "angel-pie" in the "real" world, just as Ralph did in her ImagineSpot.
10th Nov '17 3:47:13 AM Kalaong
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* A repeated theme in [[Creator/LarryNiven Niven]]/[[Creator/JerryPournelle Pournelle]] joint works(or maybe just Pournelle's); in their universes, when the going gets tough, the majority will turn to superstition and leave intellectuals to rot even while they're working their asses off to save them.
** In ''Literature/LucifersHammer'', the intellectuals go through seven colors of hell after the [[ColonyDrop comet impact]]. In end, the militarists are able to win a temporary reprieve for the world's last nuclear power plant -- at the cost of a brilliant scientist who made mustard gas to kill the attackers instead of insulin for his own diabetes -- but it's clear that unless a hard-line campaign to destroy the attackers begins ''immediately'', the plant will be destroyed. The survivors will have nothing of it until the last astronaut gives TheReasonYouSuckSpeech;
--->'''Rick Delanty''': So. We'll live. Through this winter, and the next one, and the one after that. '''As peasants!''' But if we take the easy way this time, we'll take it next time. And the next, and the next, and in fifty years your kids will hide under the bed when they hear the thunder! The way everybody used to hide from the great thunder gods. Peasants always believe in thunder gods. And the comet. We know what it was. In ten more years we'd have been able to push the damned thing out of our way! I've been in space. I won't go there again, but your children could! Hell yes! Give us that electric plant and twenty years and we'll be in space again. We know how, and all it takes is power, and that power's right there, not fifty miles from here, if we've just got guts enough to save it. Think about it. Those are the choices. Go on and be good peasants, safe peasants, superstitious peasants--- or have worlds to conquer again. To control the lightning again.
** In ''Fallen Angels'', an eco-fundamentalist political party has had bipartisan support for almost a generation. The entire country is on the verge of famine due to an ice age brought on by a ''lack'' of particulate matter in the atmosphere. Despite that, some intellectuals persevered for a time...
--->'''Sherrine Hartley''': Gran was a plant geneticist before they outlawed it. Pop用op was a farmer. They still do a little bootleg bioengineering in their basement. Developed a cold-resistant strain of wheat that let them bring in a crop for three years after their neighbors went under. They had to stop last year, though. Gran seeded a rust virus that killed off their crop. ...their neighbors-葉heir good, kindly, salt-of-the-earth neighbors were starting to talk about witchcraft. They couldn't imagine any other reason why my grandparents' wheat thrived while theirs died. Peasants always believe in witchcraft.
7th Nov '17 7:58:50 AM KizunaTallis
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* The entire premise of ''Series/{{Shameless}}''.

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* The entire premise of ''Series/{{Shameless}}''.[[Series/ShamelessUK both]] [[Series/ShamelessUS versions]] of ''Shameless''.



* Onslow, Hyacinth's brother-in-law on ''Series/KeepingUpAppearances'', is a subversion: while shabby and slovenly, Onslow is friendly and benign -- and [[HiddenDepths actually]] [[BrilliantButLazy really smart]] -- and deliberately makes a favourable contrast with the snobbish Hyacinth.

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* Onslow, Hyacinth's brother-in-law on ''Series/KeepingUpAppearances'', is a subversion: while shabby and slovenly, Onslow is friendly and benign -- and [[HiddenDepths actually]] [[BrilliantButLazy really smart]] -- and deliberately makes a favourable favorable contrast with the snobbish Hyacinth.



** Mac is a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist Christian]] and a [[ArmouredClosetGay self-loathing homophobe]]. He used to deal drugs to his classmates. [[FreudianExcuse His father was a meth dealer who was in prison though-out his childhood]].
** Charlie is {{the ditz}}iest of the group. It's implied to be because his mom tried to have an abortion while pregnant with him, combined with the various harmful substances he takes.

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** Mac is a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist Christian]] and a [[ArmouredClosetGay self-loathing homophobe]]. He used to deal drugs to his classmates. [[FreudianExcuse His father was a meth dealer who was in prison though-out throughout his childhood]].
childhood while his mother was a negligent chain-smoking racist]].
** Charlie is {{the ditz}}iest of the group. It's implied to be because his mom tried to have an abortion while pregnant with him, him (and [[MyBelovedSmother smothered him like crazy]]), combined with the various harmful substances he takes.



* In the original version of ''Series/{{Survivors}}'', pretty much [[UnfortunateImplications any character]] who was lower class before the Death struck the world continues to display this attitude.
* Many of the guests on ''Series/{{Maury}}'', especially the out-of-control teenage girls, who try to have babies when they're 14, steal hundreds of dollars worth of items (often stuff for their potential babies), beat up people, treat their (almost always single) mothers like garbage, drink, do drugs, curse up a storm, and appear on the show in [[{{Stripperific}} ridiculously revealing clothing]]. To make things worse, they often ''gloat'' about their trashy behavior.

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* In the original version of ''Series/{{Survivors}}'', pretty much [[UnfortunateImplications any character]] who was lower class before the Death struck the world continues to display this attitude.
* Many of the guests on ''Series/{{Maury}}'', especially the out-of-control teenage girls, girls who try to have babies when they're 14, steal hundreds of dollars worth of items (often stuff for their potential babies), beat up people, treat their (almost always single) mothers like garbage, drink, do drugs, curse up a storm, and appear on the show in [[{{Stripperific}} ridiculously revealing clothing]]. To make things worse, they often ''gloat'' about their trashy behavior.



* The [=McQueen=]s in ''Series/{{Hollyoaks}}'' are a lower-class family known for their criminal, promiscuous, loud and generally disruptive behaviour. Eldest daughter Jacqui had many visual elements of the "chav" stereotype.

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* The [=McQueen=]s in ''Series/{{Hollyoaks}}'' are a lower-class family known for their criminal, promiscuous, loud and generally disruptive behaviour.behavior. Eldest daughter Jacqui had many visual elements of the "chav" stereotype.
* Jimmy's family on ''Series/YoureTheWorst'' are almost '''proud''' of being this, discouraging his younger sister Lily from going to university because they think it's pompous. Lindsay even {{lampshades}} it.
-->'''Lindsay:''' I thought all English people were fancy, but these are like... ''Alabama'' English people.
5th Nov '17 7:48:19 AM morane
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* KarlMarx does not handle the ''Lumpenproletariat'' with light hands. The Marxist Internet Archive writes that "[lumpenproletariat] identifies the class of outcast, degenerated and submerged elements that make up a section of the population of industrial centers" which include "beggars, prostitutes, gangsters, racketeers, swindlers, petty criminals, tramps, chronic unemployed or unemployables, persons who have been cast out by industry, and all sorts of declassed, degraded or degenerated elements." He uses this term to describe "the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost socially". He considers the Lumpenproletariat as [[DeadlyEuphemism reactionary]] class, which is to [[DeadlyEuphemism liquidated]] on revolution.
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29th Oct '17 5:46:04 AM DavidCowie
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Younger examples are almost always TheBully. Because of the class-based origins of the stereotype, expect the moral of any story they appear in to lean towards EatTheRich or KillThePoor. Contrast the UpperClassTwit and AristocratsAreEvil (for when the rich are vilified) and WorkingClassHero. NouveauRiche often overlaps with this when their financial situation changes for the better but their behavior doesn't. See also: FootballHooligans, {{Delinquents}}, LoserProtagonist.

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Younger examples are almost always TheBully. Because of the class-based origins of the stereotype, expect the moral of any story they appear in to lean towards EatTheRich or KillThePoor. Contrast the UpperClassTwit and AristocratsAreEvil (for when the rich are vilified) and WorkingClassHero. NouveauRiche often overlaps with this when their financial situation changes for the better but their behavior doesn't. See also: FootballHooligans, {{Delinquents}}, LoserProtagonist.LoserProtagonist, SnobsVersusSlobs.
5th Oct '17 4:52:00 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* The Wild Wooders in ''Literature/TheWindInTheWillows'' are a bunch of [[WickedWeasel vicious mustelids]] who take over Toad Hall and behave like an unruly working-class mob.
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