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20th May '16 2:05:50 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* The American version of ''QueerAsFolk'' had this kind of relationship in the alpha couple after a while, although it didn't follow the classical formula of the older guy being the more enthusiastic.

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* The American version of ''QueerAsFolk'' ''Series/QueerAsFolk'' had this kind of relationship in the alpha couple after a while, although it didn't follow the classical formula of the older guy being the more enthusiastic.
17th Apr '16 8:35:06 AM BirdSpell
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell; [[AmbiguouslyGay although never said outright]], they most likely had this relationship during Loras's time as Renly's squire.
10th Mar '16 11:56:37 PM LadyNorbert
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* Several of Creator/WHAuden's most famous love poems, including 'Lullaby' and 'A Bride in the Thirties' were written about teenaged Michael Yates, when Auden was in his late twenties.

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* Several of Creator/WHAuden's most famous love poems, including 'Lullaby' and 'A Bride in the Thirties' were written about teenaged teenage Michael Yates, when Auden was in his late twenties.



* ''Literature/{{Lolita}}'' is, of course, chiefly about a man sexually attracted to girls 9-14 years old and his passion for his 12-year-old stepdaughter, whose life he ruins. The homosexual version crops up with a minor character, a French expatriate named Gaston Godin, who becomes friends with Humbert Humbert, the protagonist. Godin is a professor of French at the local college. He and Humbert play TabletopGame/{{Chess}} together (Godin is a terrible chess player) and Godin kindly gives Humbert various presents, surplusses from gifts given to him by the neighbourhood ladies -- he's popular in the neighbourhood. He also has a liking for young boys, which nobody seems to have noticed except Humbert. He keeps, and shows to Humbert, an album of snapshots of the local lads; in his basement he has pistols and tiger-skins and other things likely to appeal to the boys, whom he invites round. Once, he and Humbert go to the theatre together, Humbert taking Lolita and Gaston taking a local boy, whose father is away that night. Humbert says that Godin eventually got involved in a ''sale histoire'', "in Naples of all places", and got into trouble.

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* ''Literature/{{Lolita}}'' is, of course, chiefly about a man sexually attracted to girls 9-14 years old and his passion for his 12-year-old stepdaughter, whose life he ruins. The homosexual version crops up with a minor character, a French expatriate named Gaston Godin, who becomes friends with Humbert Humbert, the protagonist. Godin is a professor of French at the local college. He and Humbert play TabletopGame/{{Chess}} TabletopGame/{{chess}} together (Godin is a terrible chess player) and Godin kindly gives Humbert various presents, surplusses surpluses from gifts given to him by the neighbourhood ladies -- he's popular in the neighbourhood. He also has a liking for young boys, which nobody seems to have noticed except Humbert. He keeps, and shows to Humbert, an album of snapshots of the local lads; in his basement he has pistols and tiger-skins and other things likely to appeal to the boys, whom he invites round. Once, he and Humbert go to the theatre together, Humbert taking Lolita and Gaston taking a local boy, whose father is away that night. Humbert says that Godin eventually got involved in a ''sale histoire'', "in Naples of all places", and got into trouble.



* Isabelle Holland's ''The Man Without a Face''. 14-year-old Chuck persuades 47-year-old Justin [=McLeod=] to tutor him over the summer so he can pass the entrance exam to a [[OneGenderSchool boys']] BoardingSchool, which will get Chuck away from his mother and older sister, whom he hates. Needing a father figure, Chuck becomes attracted to Justin, who mentors him, and Justin probably reciprocates the attraction, but Justin tries to keep things within strict bounds. It's hinted that when Justin was a teacher at the same boys' boarding school Chuck wants to go to, he may have had some sort of a relationship with a boy Chuck's age, who was killed in a car crash when Justin was drunk driving. Justin ended up in prison over this and feels deeply guilty about it -- both things for reasons not entirely spelt out.

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* Isabelle Holland's ''The Man Without a Face''. 14-year-old Chuck persuades 47-year-old Justin [=McLeod=] to tutor him over the summer so he can pass the entrance exam to a [[OneGenderSchool boys']] BoardingSchool, which will get Chuck away from his mother and older sister, whom he hates. Needing a father figure, Chuck becomes attracted to Justin, who mentors him, and Justin probably reciprocates the attraction, but Justin tries to keep things within strict bounds. It's hinted that when Justin was a teacher at the same boys' boarding school Chuck wants to go to, he may have had some sort of a relationship with a boy Chuck's age, who was killed in a car crash when Justin was drunk driving. Justin ended up in prison over this and feels deeply guilty about it -- both things for reasons not entirely spelt spelled out.



** In a way, this trope also reflects the relationship between Jack when he was a young man, and the Ninth Doctor on ''Series/DoctorWho''. Sexual attraction only played a minor role, at least from the Doctor's point of view, but the Doctor did take on a mentor role and guided Jack on a better path in life.

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** In a way, this trope also reflects the relationship between Jack Jack, when he was a young man, and the Ninth Doctor on ''Series/DoctorWho''. Sexual attraction only played a minor role, at least from the Doctor's point of view, but the Doctor did take on a mentor role and guided Jack on a better path in life.



* Tom Robinson's classic gay anthem from 1976, 'Glad to Be Gay', contains, among other condemnations of mistreatment of homosexuals, the line "Make sure your boyfriend's at least 21." At the time, the UK age of consent for heterosexual acts was 16, whereas for homosexual acts it was 21. This caused not a few hassles for men with younger boyfriends. Later it was lowered to 18, but not until 2000 were the ages of consent equalised. By that point, the idea that a grown man and a 16-year-old boy might want to have sex together had become pretty taboo, so the campaigners' arguments focused on equality and the rights of teenaged gay lovers.

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* Tom Robinson's classic gay anthem from 1976, 'Glad to Be Gay', contains, among other condemnations of mistreatment of homosexuals, the line "Make sure your boyfriend's at least 21." At the time, the UK age of consent for heterosexual acts was 16, whereas for homosexual acts it was 21. This caused not a few hassles for men with younger boyfriends. Later it was lowered to 18, but not until 2000 were the ages of consent equalised. By that point, the idea that a grown man and a 16-year-old boy might want to have sex together had become pretty taboo, so the campaigners' arguments focused on equality and the rights of teenaged teenage gay lovers.



* Briefly mentioned in ''Literature/TheLionInWinter''. King Henry says to his mistress Alais, "In my time I've known contessas, milkmaids, courtesans and novices, whores, gypsies, jades and little boys, but nowhere in God's western world have I found anyone to love but you." UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart and Philip II of France are depicted as having had an affair two years before the action, when Richard was 24 and Philip was 15. Philip tells Richard that he is no longer "the boy you taught to hunt...you running first, me scrambling after."

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* Briefly mentioned in ''Literature/TheLionInWinter''. King Henry says to his mistress Alais, "In my time I've known contessas, milkmaids, courtesans and novices, whores, gypsies, jades and little boys, but nowhere in God's western world have I found anyone to love but you." UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart and Philip II of France are depicted as having had an affair two years before the action, when Richard was 24 and Philip was 15. Philip tells Richard that he is no longer "the boy you taught to hunt... you running first, me scrambling after."



* The ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Disappearance'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"

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* The ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Da Vinci Disappearance'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"
10th Mar '16 11:50:41 PM LadyNorbert
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* The ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Disappearance]]'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"

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* The ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Disappearance]]'' Disappearance'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"
10th Mar '16 11:50:14 PM LadyNorbert
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* ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Assassin's Creed Brotherhood: The DaVinci Dissapearance]]'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"

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* ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Assassin's Creed Brotherhood: The ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Dissapearance]]'' Disappearance]]'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"
22nd Jan '16 6:08:31 PM nombretomado
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* In StephenFry's ''The Liar'', the main character writes a play with a Victorian setting, in which a man rescues a 14-year-old boy from prostitution but then, to his horror, kind of accidentally sleeps with him. Said main character is in love with a slightly younger boy at his [[OneGenderSchool boys']] [[BoardingSchool school]] and also spends a while [[spoiler: ...or does he?]] as a prostitute working Piccadilly Circus, picked up by older men. He's in his later teens at this point; some of the other boy prostitutes are as young as 11.

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* In StephenFry's Creator/StephenFry's ''The Liar'', the main character writes a play with a Victorian setting, in which a man rescues a 14-year-old boy from prostitution but then, to his horror, kind of accidentally sleeps with him. Said main character is in love with a slightly younger boy at his [[OneGenderSchool boys']] [[BoardingSchool school]] and also spends a while [[spoiler: ...or does he?]] as a prostitute working Piccadilly Circus, picked up by older men. He's in his later teens at this point; some of the other boy prostitutes are as young as 11.
29th Dec '15 2:14:44 AM Andygal
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* In ''Magic's Price'' of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, Vanyel's DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest, Stefan, is much younger than he is. Initially Vanyel plays the mentor role to the young bard, refusing even the slightest hint of sexual attraction, but eventually the [[MindlinkMates lifebond]] between the two becomes impossible to deny.

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* In ''Magic's Price'' of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, Vanyel's DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest, Stefan, is much younger than he is. Initially Vanyel plays the mentor role to the young bard, refusing even the slightest hint of sexual attraction, but eventually the [[MindlinkMates lifebond]] between the two becomes impossible to deny.
19th Dec '15 8:04:08 AM DoctorCooper
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4th Nov '15 4:54:59 PM nombretomado
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* In ''TopTen'', DaChief Steve Traynor and his partner Wulf have been a couple for about 30 years, but the prequel graphic novel ''The 49ers'' revealed that their relationship started when Steve was still a teenager and Wulf was over ten years older. It attempts to avoid the more dubious elements of this trope by having Steve actively pursue Wulf, and Wulf at one point explicitly challenge Steve about whether he's emotionally mature enough for a relationship.
* In Marvel's ''TheIncredibleHercules'', most of the Greek gods assume (incorrectly) Hercules and [[TeenGenius Amadeus Cho]] have this relationship. Amadeus always angrily corrects them.

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* In ''TopTen'', ''ComicBook/TopTen'', DaChief Steve Traynor and his partner Wulf have been a couple for about 30 years, but the prequel graphic novel ''The 49ers'' revealed that their relationship started when Steve was still a teenager and Wulf was over ten years older. It attempts to avoid the more dubious elements of this trope by having Steve actively pursue Wulf, and Wulf at one point explicitly challenge Steve about whether he's emotionally mature enough for a relationship.
* In Marvel's ''TheIncredibleHercules'', ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules'', most of the Greek gods assume (incorrectly) Hercules and [[TeenGenius Amadeus Cho]] have this relationship. Amadeus always angrily corrects them.
7th Oct '15 12:49:54 PM Yahya
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This trope originates in ancient Greece, with their custom of homosexual pederasty. The Greek words for this trope are "erastes" (lover) and "eromenos" (beloved). A very similar system developed independently in Japan, where the partners are the ''nenja'' ("man who loves") and his ''wakashu'' ("young person")[[note]]''wakashu'' technically covers any boy between early childhood and adulthood, and was also used outside of relationship contexts, but by the end of the Edo period it pretty much meant "{{uke}}"[[/note]]. High-ranking Chinese courtiers and Buddhist monks also took younger male lovers fairly often, but in a less formal system than in Greece and Japan.

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This trope originates in ancient Greece, with their custom of homosexual pederasty. The Greek words for this trope are "erastes" (lover) and "eromenos" (beloved). A very similar system developed independently in Japan, where the partners are the ''nenja'' ("man who loves") and his ''wakashu'' ("young person")[[note]]''wakashu'' technically covers any boy between early childhood and adulthood, and was also used outside of relationship contexts, but by the end of the Edo period it pretty much meant "{{uke}}"[[/note]]. High-ranking Chinese courtiers and Buddhist monks also took younger male lovers fairly often, but in a less formal system than in Greece and Japan.
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