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11th Jan '17 10:55:42 PM ectostar
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6th Jan '17 8:02:56 AM SeptimusHeap
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* LittleMissSunshine, a popular family comedy from 2006. Frank, a renowned Proust scholar (Proust was gay) fell in love with a male [[TeacherStudentRomance graduate student of his]]. This younger man left him -- for another older man, Frank's rival Proust scholar. Being upset, Frank acted up and got kicked out of his job. Then he couldn't pay the rent and got kicked out of his apartment. Then he found out that his rival in [[FreudWasRight love and work]] had won an honour instead of him. So he [[DrivenToSuicide slit his wrists]]...but he survived. The film begins with him in hospital.

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* LittleMissSunshine, a popular family comedy from 2006. Frank, a renowned Proust scholar (Proust was gay) fell in love with a male [[TeacherStudentRomance graduate student of his]]. This younger man left him -- for another older man, Frank's rival Proust scholar. Being upset, Frank acted up and got kicked out of his job. Then he couldn't pay the rent and got kicked out of his apartment. Then he found out that his rival in [[FreudWasRight love and work]] work had won an honour instead of him. So he [[DrivenToSuicide slit his wrists]]...but he survived. The film begins with him in hospital.
14th Dec '16 4:35:26 AM Oecchi
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* Yuri and Victor's relationship gradually takes on more and more aspects of this in ''Anime/YuriOnIce'', though it's downplayed since Victor is only four years older than Yuri. Victor coaches and mentors Yuri to become a better figure skater, and Yuri learns to become more confident in his skating. The subtext between them becomes very hard to ignore...[[spoiler:at least until episode 7, when Victor kisses Yuri and they become the OfficialCouple, and by episode 10 they're engaged.]]

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* Yuri and Victor's relationship gradually takes on more and more aspects of this in ''Anime/YuriOnIce'', though it's the age difference is downplayed since Victor is only four years older than Yuri. Victor coaches and mentors Yuri to become a better figure skater, and Yuri learns to become more confident in his skating. The subtext between them becomes very hard to ignore...[[spoiler:at least until episode 7, when Victor kisses Yuri and they become the OfficialCouple, and by episode 10 they're engaged.]]
12th Dec '16 10:40:55 AM Oecchi
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* Yuri and Victor's relationship gradually takes on more and more aspects of this in ''Anime/YuriOnice'', though it's downplayed since Victor is only four years older than Yuri. Victor coaches and mentors Yuri to become a better figure skater, and Yuri learns to become more confident in his skating. The subtext between them becomes very hard to ignore...[[spoiler:at least until episode 7, when Victor kisses Yuri and they become the OfficialCouple, and by episode 10 they're engaged.]]

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* Yuri and Victor's relationship gradually takes on more and more aspects of this in ''Anime/YuriOnice'', ''Anime/YuriOnIce'', though it's downplayed since Victor is only four years older than Yuri. Victor coaches and mentors Yuri to become a better figure skater, and Yuri learns to become more confident in his skating. The subtext between them becomes very hard to ignore...[[spoiler:at least until episode 7, when Victor kisses Yuri and they become the OfficialCouple, and by episode 10 they're engaged.]]
12th Dec '16 10:40:34 AM Oecchi
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* Yuri and Victor's relationship gradually takes on more and more aspects of this in ''Anime/YuriOnice'', though it's downplayed since Victor is only four years older than Yuri. Victor coaches and mentors Yuri to become a better figure skater, and Yuri learns to become more confident in his skating. The subtext between them becomes very hard to ignore...[[spoiler:at least until episode 7, when Victor kisses Yuri and they become the OfficialCouple, and by episode 10 they're engaged.]]
19th Oct '16 4:48:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* Played with in ''{{Havemercy}}''. Roy is older and definitely a mentor for Hal, but is reluctant about entering a relationship with him for precisely that reason. He doesn't want to take advantage, and in fact it's Hal who ends up as the pursuer for much of the novel.

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* Played with in ''{{Havemercy}}''.''Literature/{{Havemercy}}''. Roy is older and definitely a mentor for Hal, but is reluctant about entering a relationship with him for precisely that reason. He doesn't want to take advantage, and in fact it's Hal who ends up as the pursuer for much of the novel.



* Sex advice column Dan Savage, author of SavageLove, has a "campsite rule" about having sex with younger people: the older one has a responsibility to leave the other in better shape than he found him, physically, emotionally, and sexually.

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* Sex advice column Dan Savage, author of SavageLove, ''Literature/SavageLove'', has a "campsite rule" about having sex with younger people: the older one has a responsibility to leave the other in better shape than he found him, physically, emotionally, and sexually.
17th Jun '16 12:26:44 AM PaulA
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* ''Wilde'' (1997), a fictionalised account of the relationship between OscarWilde and Bosie. Stephen Fry plays Wilde.

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* ''Wilde'' (1997), a fictionalised account of the relationship between OscarWilde Creator/OscarWilde and Bosie. Stephen Fry plays Wilde.



* ''The Priest and the Acolyte'', a short story by Oxford undergraduate John Francis Bloxam, who had also written a couple of romantic poems about boys. In the story, a 28-year-old Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and a 14-year-old acolyte (all acolytes were boys then, of course) fall in love with each other. The boy is the one who starts their relationship: he comes to the priest's room at night and confesses his love. They [[ChastityCouple don't have sex]], but they kiss and hug and at night they spend hours together in the priest's rooms, the acolyte sitting on the priest's lap. Their love brings them both happiness and helps them conduct Mass better too. Eventually another priest, the protagonist's superior, discovers them together, whereat the protagonist responds to this other priest's condemnation with a passionate defense of his own nature and his love for the boy. Afraid of the fallout, and wanting to be together forever, the priest and the acolyte commit suicide together by drinking poisoned Communion wine at a two-person Mass, said by the priest and served at by the acolyte, for the repose of their own souls. This story appeared in the first and only edition of Bloxam's periodical ''The Chameleon: a Bazaar of Dangerous and Smiling Chances''. Bosie Douglas's poem ''Two Loves'', containing the line "I am the Love that dares not speak its name" also appeared in this magazine. The contents of the magazine were used against OscarWilde at his trial, giving Wilde the opportunity to make the speech in which he said: " 'The Love that dare not speak its name' in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between [[AsTheGoodBookSays David and Jonathan]], such as Creator/{{Plato}} made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare]]. It is that deep [[ChastityCouple spiritual]] affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art, like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood ... It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. ... The world mocks at it, and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it." This speech got Wilde a standing ovation. Wilde also said that ''The Priest and the Acolyte'' was badly written but refused to condemn it as immoral; this refusal weighed heavily against him. While Wilde's health was being broken in prison, and then while he was dying in exile, Bloxam became an Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and lived a quiet and apparently blameless life, well-liked by his parishioners.

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* ''The Priest and the Acolyte'', a short story by Oxford undergraduate John Francis Bloxam, who had also written a couple of romantic poems about boys. In the story, a 28-year-old Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and a 14-year-old acolyte (all acolytes were boys then, of course) fall in love with each other. The boy is the one who starts their relationship: he comes to the priest's room at night and confesses his love. They [[ChastityCouple don't have sex]], but they kiss and hug and at night they spend hours together in the priest's rooms, the acolyte sitting on the priest's lap. Their love brings them both happiness and helps them conduct Mass better too. Eventually another priest, the protagonist's superior, discovers them together, whereat the protagonist responds to this other priest's condemnation with a passionate defense of his own nature and his love for the boy. Afraid of the fallout, and wanting to be together forever, the priest and the acolyte commit suicide together by drinking poisoned Communion wine at a two-person Mass, said by the priest and served at by the acolyte, for the repose of their own souls. This story appeared in the first and only edition of Bloxam's periodical ''The Chameleon: a Bazaar of Dangerous and Smiling Chances''. Bosie Douglas's poem ''Two Loves'', containing the line "I am the Love that dares not speak its name" also appeared in this magazine. The contents of the magazine were used against OscarWilde Creator/OscarWilde at his trial, giving Wilde the opportunity to make the speech in which he said: " 'The Love that dare not speak its name' in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between [[AsTheGoodBookSays David and Jonathan]], such as Creator/{{Plato}} made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare]]. It is that deep [[ChastityCouple spiritual]] affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art, like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood ... It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. ... The world mocks at it, and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it." This speech got Wilde a standing ovation. Wilde also said that ''The Priest and the Acolyte'' was badly written but refused to condemn it as immoral; this refusal weighed heavily against him. While Wilde's health was being broken in prison, and then while he was dying in exile, Bloxam became an Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and lived a quiet and apparently blameless life, well-liked by his parishioners.
12th Jun '16 8:14:13 PM PaulA
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* At the beginning of Creator/ChristopherMarlowe's ''Dido, Queen of Carthage'', Ganymede is seen sitting on Jove's lap coquetting away in order to get more presents from Jove. Also, in ''Edward II'', a character recites a list of famous male/male couples, justifying homosexual relationships by saying that "The mightiest kings have had their minions...And not kings only, but the wisest men." Most of these are lover/beloved couples: Hercules and Hylas, Tully and Octavius, Socrates and Alcibiades, Achilles and Patroclus -- Achilles and Patroclus are not said to be lovers in the Iliad, but were seen as erastes and eromenos by later Greeks, although in the Iliad Patroclus is the elder. Alexander and Hephaestion, who were coevals, are also mentioned in the list. The historical Edward and his boyfriend Gaveston were actually the same age, but lover/beloved was the predominant homosexual trope in Marlowe's day: people learned the trope from the Greek and Roman classics they read at school, as the list shows. Marlowe himself is supposed to have said "All they that love not tobacco and boys are fools."

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At the beginning of Creator/ChristopherMarlowe's ''Dido, Queen of Carthage'', ''Theatre/DidoQueenOfCarthage'', Ganymede is seen sitting on Jove's lap coquetting away in order to get more presents from Jove. Also, in ''Edward II'', Jove.
** In ''Theatre/EdwardII'',
a character recites a list of famous male/male couples, justifying homosexual relationships by saying that "The mightiest kings have had their minions...And not kings only, but the wisest men." Most of these are lover/beloved couples: Hercules and Hylas, Tully and Octavius, Socrates and Alcibiades, Achilles and Patroclus -- Achilles and Patroclus are not said to be lovers in the Iliad, but were seen as erastes and eromenos by later Greeks, although in the Iliad Patroclus is the elder. Alexander and Hephaestion, who were coevals, are also mentioned in the list. The historical Edward and his boyfriend Gaveston were actually the same age, but lover/beloved was the predominant homosexual trope in Marlowe's day: people learned the trope from the Greek and Roman classics they read at school, as the list shows. Marlowe himself is supposed to have said "All they that love not tobacco and boys are fools."
20th May '16 2:05:50 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* The American version of ''QueerAsFolk'' had this kind of relationship in the alpha couple after a while, although it didn't follow the classical formula of the older guy being the more enthusiastic.

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* The American version of ''QueerAsFolk'' ''Series/QueerAsFolk'' had this kind of relationship in the alpha couple after a while, although it didn't follow the classical formula of the older guy being the more enthusiastic.
17th Apr '16 8:35:06 AM BirdSpell
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell; [[AmbiguouslyGay although never said outright]], they most likely had this relationship during Loras's time as Renly's squire.
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