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17th Jun '16 12:26:44 AM PaulA
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* ''Wilde'' (1997), a fictionalised account of the relationship between OscarWilde and Bosie. Stephen Fry plays Wilde.

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* ''Wilde'' (1997), a fictionalised account of the relationship between OscarWilde Creator/OscarWilde and Bosie. Stephen Fry plays Wilde.



* ''The Priest and the Acolyte'', a short story by Oxford undergraduate John Francis Bloxam, who had also written a couple of romantic poems about boys. In the story, a 28-year-old Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and a 14-year-old acolyte (all acolytes were boys then, of course) fall in love with each other. The boy is the one who starts their relationship: he comes to the priest's room at night and confesses his love. They [[ChastityCouple don't have sex]], but they kiss and hug and at night they spend hours together in the priest's rooms, the acolyte sitting on the priest's lap. Their love brings them both happiness and helps them conduct Mass better too. Eventually another priest, the protagonist's superior, discovers them together, whereat the protagonist responds to this other priest's condemnation with a passionate defense of his own nature and his love for the boy. Afraid of the fallout, and wanting to be together forever, the priest and the acolyte commit suicide together by drinking poisoned Communion wine at a two-person Mass, said by the priest and served at by the acolyte, for the repose of their own souls. This story appeared in the first and only edition of Bloxam's periodical ''The Chameleon: a Bazaar of Dangerous and Smiling Chances''. Bosie Douglas's poem ''Two Loves'', containing the line "I am the Love that dares not speak its name" also appeared in this magazine. The contents of the magazine were used against OscarWilde at his trial, giving Wilde the opportunity to make the speech in which he said: " 'The Love that dare not speak its name' in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between [[AsTheGoodBookSays David and Jonathan]], such as Creator/{{Plato}} made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare]]. It is that deep [[ChastityCouple spiritual]] affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art, like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood ... It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. ... The world mocks at it, and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it." This speech got Wilde a standing ovation. Wilde also said that ''The Priest and the Acolyte'' was badly written but refused to condemn it as immoral; this refusal weighed heavily against him. While Wilde's health was being broken in prison, and then while he was dying in exile, Bloxam became an Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and lived a quiet and apparently blameless life, well-liked by his parishioners.

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* ''The Priest and the Acolyte'', a short story by Oxford undergraduate John Francis Bloxam, who had also written a couple of romantic poems about boys. In the story, a 28-year-old Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and a 14-year-old acolyte (all acolytes were boys then, of course) fall in love with each other. The boy is the one who starts their relationship: he comes to the priest's room at night and confesses his love. They [[ChastityCouple don't have sex]], but they kiss and hug and at night they spend hours together in the priest's rooms, the acolyte sitting on the priest's lap. Their love brings them both happiness and helps them conduct Mass better too. Eventually another priest, the protagonist's superior, discovers them together, whereat the protagonist responds to this other priest's condemnation with a passionate defense of his own nature and his love for the boy. Afraid of the fallout, and wanting to be together forever, the priest and the acolyte commit suicide together by drinking poisoned Communion wine at a two-person Mass, said by the priest and served at by the acolyte, for the repose of their own souls. This story appeared in the first and only edition of Bloxam's periodical ''The Chameleon: a Bazaar of Dangerous and Smiling Chances''. Bosie Douglas's poem ''Two Loves'', containing the line "I am the Love that dares not speak its name" also appeared in this magazine. The contents of the magazine were used against OscarWilde Creator/OscarWilde at his trial, giving Wilde the opportunity to make the speech in which he said: " 'The Love that dare not speak its name' in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between [[AsTheGoodBookSays David and Jonathan]], such as Creator/{{Plato}} made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare]]. It is that deep [[ChastityCouple spiritual]] affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art, like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood ... It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. ... The world mocks at it, and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it." This speech got Wilde a standing ovation. Wilde also said that ''The Priest and the Acolyte'' was badly written but refused to condemn it as immoral; this refusal weighed heavily against him. While Wilde's health was being broken in prison, and then while he was dying in exile, Bloxam became an Anglo-Catholic [[PedophilePriest priest]] and lived a quiet and apparently blameless life, well-liked by his parishioners.
12th Jun '16 8:14:13 PM PaulA
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* At the beginning of Creator/ChristopherMarlowe's ''Dido, Queen of Carthage'', Ganymede is seen sitting on Jove's lap coquetting away in order to get more presents from Jove. Also, in ''Edward II'', a character recites a list of famous male/male couples, justifying homosexual relationships by saying that "The mightiest kings have had their minions...And not kings only, but the wisest men." Most of these are lover/beloved couples: Hercules and Hylas, Tully and Octavius, Socrates and Alcibiades, Achilles and Patroclus -- Achilles and Patroclus are not said to be lovers in the Iliad, but were seen as erastes and eromenos by later Greeks, although in the Iliad Patroclus is the elder. Alexander and Hephaestion, who were coevals, are also mentioned in the list. The historical Edward and his boyfriend Gaveston were actually the same age, but lover/beloved was the predominant homosexual trope in Marlowe's day: people learned the trope from the Greek and Roman classics they read at school, as the list shows. Marlowe himself is supposed to have said "All they that love not tobacco and boys are fools."

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At the beginning of Creator/ChristopherMarlowe's ''Dido, Queen of Carthage'', ''Theatre/DidoQueenOfCarthage'', Ganymede is seen sitting on Jove's lap coquetting away in order to get more presents from Jove. Also, in ''Edward II'', Jove.
** In ''Theatre/EdwardII'',
a character recites a list of famous male/male couples, justifying homosexual relationships by saying that "The mightiest kings have had their minions...And not kings only, but the wisest men." Most of these are lover/beloved couples: Hercules and Hylas, Tully and Octavius, Socrates and Alcibiades, Achilles and Patroclus -- Achilles and Patroclus are not said to be lovers in the Iliad, but were seen as erastes and eromenos by later Greeks, although in the Iliad Patroclus is the elder. Alexander and Hephaestion, who were coevals, are also mentioned in the list. The historical Edward and his boyfriend Gaveston were actually the same age, but lover/beloved was the predominant homosexual trope in Marlowe's day: people learned the trope from the Greek and Roman classics they read at school, as the list shows. Marlowe himself is supposed to have said "All they that love not tobacco and boys are fools."
20th May '16 2:05:50 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* The American version of ''QueerAsFolk'' had this kind of relationship in the alpha couple after a while, although it didn't follow the classical formula of the older guy being the more enthusiastic.

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* The American version of ''QueerAsFolk'' ''Series/QueerAsFolk'' had this kind of relationship in the alpha couple after a while, although it didn't follow the classical formula of the older guy being the more enthusiastic.
17th Apr '16 8:35:06 AM BirdSpell
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell; [[AmbiguouslyGay although never said outright]], they most likely had this relationship during Loras's time as Renly's squire.
10th Mar '16 11:56:37 PM LadyNorbert
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* Several of Creator/WHAuden's most famous love poems, including 'Lullaby' and 'A Bride in the Thirties' were written about teenaged Michael Yates, when Auden was in his late twenties.

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* Several of Creator/WHAuden's most famous love poems, including 'Lullaby' and 'A Bride in the Thirties' were written about teenaged teenage Michael Yates, when Auden was in his late twenties.



* ''Literature/{{Lolita}}'' is, of course, chiefly about a man sexually attracted to girls 9-14 years old and his passion for his 12-year-old stepdaughter, whose life he ruins. The homosexual version crops up with a minor character, a French expatriate named Gaston Godin, who becomes friends with Humbert Humbert, the protagonist. Godin is a professor of French at the local college. He and Humbert play TabletopGame/{{Chess}} together (Godin is a terrible chess player) and Godin kindly gives Humbert various presents, surplusses from gifts given to him by the neighbourhood ladies -- he's popular in the neighbourhood. He also has a liking for young boys, which nobody seems to have noticed except Humbert. He keeps, and shows to Humbert, an album of snapshots of the local lads; in his basement he has pistols and tiger-skins and other things likely to appeal to the boys, whom he invites round. Once, he and Humbert go to the theatre together, Humbert taking Lolita and Gaston taking a local boy, whose father is away that night. Humbert says that Godin eventually got involved in a ''sale histoire'', "in Naples of all places", and got into trouble.

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* ''Literature/{{Lolita}}'' is, of course, chiefly about a man sexually attracted to girls 9-14 years old and his passion for his 12-year-old stepdaughter, whose life he ruins. The homosexual version crops up with a minor character, a French expatriate named Gaston Godin, who becomes friends with Humbert Humbert, the protagonist. Godin is a professor of French at the local college. He and Humbert play TabletopGame/{{Chess}} TabletopGame/{{chess}} together (Godin is a terrible chess player) and Godin kindly gives Humbert various presents, surplusses surpluses from gifts given to him by the neighbourhood ladies -- he's popular in the neighbourhood. He also has a liking for young boys, which nobody seems to have noticed except Humbert. He keeps, and shows to Humbert, an album of snapshots of the local lads; in his basement he has pistols and tiger-skins and other things likely to appeal to the boys, whom he invites round. Once, he and Humbert go to the theatre together, Humbert taking Lolita and Gaston taking a local boy, whose father is away that night. Humbert says that Godin eventually got involved in a ''sale histoire'', "in Naples of all places", and got into trouble.



* Isabelle Holland's ''The Man Without a Face''. 14-year-old Chuck persuades 47-year-old Justin [=McLeod=] to tutor him over the summer so he can pass the entrance exam to a [[OneGenderSchool boys']] BoardingSchool, which will get Chuck away from his mother and older sister, whom he hates. Needing a father figure, Chuck becomes attracted to Justin, who mentors him, and Justin probably reciprocates the attraction, but Justin tries to keep things within strict bounds. It's hinted that when Justin was a teacher at the same boys' boarding school Chuck wants to go to, he may have had some sort of a relationship with a boy Chuck's age, who was killed in a car crash when Justin was drunk driving. Justin ended up in prison over this and feels deeply guilty about it -- both things for reasons not entirely spelt out.

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* Isabelle Holland's ''The Man Without a Face''. 14-year-old Chuck persuades 47-year-old Justin [=McLeod=] to tutor him over the summer so he can pass the entrance exam to a [[OneGenderSchool boys']] BoardingSchool, which will get Chuck away from his mother and older sister, whom he hates. Needing a father figure, Chuck becomes attracted to Justin, who mentors him, and Justin probably reciprocates the attraction, but Justin tries to keep things within strict bounds. It's hinted that when Justin was a teacher at the same boys' boarding school Chuck wants to go to, he may have had some sort of a relationship with a boy Chuck's age, who was killed in a car crash when Justin was drunk driving. Justin ended up in prison over this and feels deeply guilty about it -- both things for reasons not entirely spelt spelled out.



** In a way, this trope also reflects the relationship between Jack when he was a young man, and the Ninth Doctor on ''Series/DoctorWho''. Sexual attraction only played a minor role, at least from the Doctor's point of view, but the Doctor did take on a mentor role and guided Jack on a better path in life.

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** In a way, this trope also reflects the relationship between Jack Jack, when he was a young man, and the Ninth Doctor on ''Series/DoctorWho''. Sexual attraction only played a minor role, at least from the Doctor's point of view, but the Doctor did take on a mentor role and guided Jack on a better path in life.



* Tom Robinson's classic gay anthem from 1976, 'Glad to Be Gay', contains, among other condemnations of mistreatment of homosexuals, the line "Make sure your boyfriend's at least 21." At the time, the UK age of consent for heterosexual acts was 16, whereas for homosexual acts it was 21. This caused not a few hassles for men with younger boyfriends. Later it was lowered to 18, but not until 2000 were the ages of consent equalised. By that point, the idea that a grown man and a 16-year-old boy might want to have sex together had become pretty taboo, so the campaigners' arguments focused on equality and the rights of teenaged gay lovers.

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* Tom Robinson's classic gay anthem from 1976, 'Glad to Be Gay', contains, among other condemnations of mistreatment of homosexuals, the line "Make sure your boyfriend's at least 21." At the time, the UK age of consent for heterosexual acts was 16, whereas for homosexual acts it was 21. This caused not a few hassles for men with younger boyfriends. Later it was lowered to 18, but not until 2000 were the ages of consent equalised. By that point, the idea that a grown man and a 16-year-old boy might want to have sex together had become pretty taboo, so the campaigners' arguments focused on equality and the rights of teenaged teenage gay lovers.



* Briefly mentioned in ''Literature/TheLionInWinter''. King Henry says to his mistress Alais, "In my time I've known contessas, milkmaids, courtesans and novices, whores, gypsies, jades and little boys, but nowhere in God's western world have I found anyone to love but you." UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart and Philip II of France are depicted as having had an affair two years before the action, when Richard was 24 and Philip was 15. Philip tells Richard that he is no longer "the boy you taught to hunt...you running first, me scrambling after."

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* Briefly mentioned in ''Literature/TheLionInWinter''. King Henry says to his mistress Alais, "In my time I've known contessas, milkmaids, courtesans and novices, whores, gypsies, jades and little boys, but nowhere in God's western world have I found anyone to love but you." UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart and Philip II of France are depicted as having had an affair two years before the action, when Richard was 24 and Philip was 15. Philip tells Richard that he is no longer "the boy you taught to hunt... you running first, me scrambling after."



* The ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Disappearance'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"

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* The ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Da Vinci Disappearance'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"
10th Mar '16 11:50:41 PM LadyNorbert
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* The ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Disappearance]]'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"

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* The ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Disappearance]]'' Disappearance'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"
10th Mar '16 11:50:14 PM LadyNorbert
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* ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Assassin's Creed Brotherhood: The DaVinci Dissapearance]]'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"

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* ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Assassin's Creed Brotherhood: The ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood: The DaVinci Dissapearance]]'' Disappearance]]'' single-player DLC depicts the relationship between Leonardo and his young pupil Salai. Leonardo tries to dance around the true nature of the relationship in front of his friend Ezio; Ezio has no reason to think it's wrong, as his philosophy is basically anything goes. Or more precisely, "[[BadassCreed Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.]]"
22nd Jan '16 6:08:31 PM nombretomado
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* In StephenFry's ''The Liar'', the main character writes a play with a Victorian setting, in which a man rescues a 14-year-old boy from prostitution but then, to his horror, kind of accidentally sleeps with him. Said main character is in love with a slightly younger boy at his [[OneGenderSchool boys']] [[BoardingSchool school]] and also spends a while [[spoiler: ...or does he?]] as a prostitute working Piccadilly Circus, picked up by older men. He's in his later teens at this point; some of the other boy prostitutes are as young as 11.

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* In StephenFry's Creator/StephenFry's ''The Liar'', the main character writes a play with a Victorian setting, in which a man rescues a 14-year-old boy from prostitution but then, to his horror, kind of accidentally sleeps with him. Said main character is in love with a slightly younger boy at his [[OneGenderSchool boys']] [[BoardingSchool school]] and also spends a while [[spoiler: ...or does he?]] as a prostitute working Piccadilly Circus, picked up by older men. He's in his later teens at this point; some of the other boy prostitutes are as young as 11.
29th Dec '15 2:14:44 AM Andygal
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* In ''Magic's Price'' of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, Vanyel's DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest, Stefan, is much younger than he is. Initially Vanyel plays the mentor role to the young bard, refusing even the slightest hint of sexual attraction, but eventually the [[MindlinkMates lifebond]] between the two becomes impossible to deny.

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* In ''Magic's Price'' of the ''HeraldsOfValdemar'' ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, Vanyel's DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest, Stefan, is much younger than he is. Initially Vanyel plays the mentor role to the young bard, refusing even the slightest hint of sexual attraction, but eventually the [[MindlinkMates lifebond]] between the two becomes impossible to deny.
19th Dec '15 8:04:08 AM DoctorCooper
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