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28th Mar '17 8:29:50 AM crazysamaritan
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* A stone based monster in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' can be killed instantly by using a Soft on it, which is normally used on petrified allies. The game states that the monster "became too soft to live".
** There is actually an entire area of stone-based enemies that are susceptible to this tactic. The boss at the end is a reanimated petrified tree, [[{{TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything}} and can be instantly killed with Soft OR Phoenix Down.]]
* If you stop to think about it a little, some things can be surprisingly effective in ''Final Fantasy'' games starting around [=IV=]. For example, it's pretty well-known that the undead are damaged by curative spells and items, but have you considered trying a Phoenix Down or casting a Life spell on them?

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* ''Final Fantasy'':
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A stone based monster in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' can be killed instantly by using a Soft on it, which is normally used on petrified allies. The game states that the monster "became too soft to live".
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live". There's even an entire area of stone-based enemies that are susceptible to this tactic. The boss at the end is a reanimated petrified tree, [[{{TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything}} [[DevelopersForesight and can be instantly killed with Soft OR Phoenix Down.]]
* ** If you stop to think about it a little, some things can be surprisingly effective in ''Final Fantasy'' games starting around [=IV=]. For example, it's pretty well-known that the undead are damaged by curative spells and items, but have you considered trying a Phoenix Down or casting a Life spell on them?



* In ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', [[spoiler: The Magatama session with Bobby Fullbright (AKA, the Phantom) implies that the Magatama can also be fooled by carefully thought out cover stories and great acting.]]

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* ''Phoenix Wright'':
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In ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', [[spoiler: The Magatama session with Bobby Fullbright (AKA, the Phantom) implies that the Magatama can also be fooled by carefully thought out cover stories and great acting.]]



* Colonel Volgin, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'', can generate and control electricity, and while some of his weaknesses are merely personality quirks, others follow logically from his powers: his electric bolts can be pulled away from their intended target by conductive materials, he can't use his powers in water without hurting himself, and as a RequiredSecondaryPower, his body is highly conductive, making him a human lightning rod. [[spoiler: The first two weaknesses can be exploited in his boss fight, and the last ultimately results in his KarmicDeath.]]
** The same game also features The Pain, who has [[BeeBeeGun the ability to control a swarm of bees]], and who you fight in a large water-filled cavern. It's possible to avoid his attacks entirely by diving into the water, weaken them by waving a torch or applying bug spray, and disrupt his bee-armor by throwing grenades into the water and splashing him.

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* ''Metal Gear Solid'':
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'':
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Colonel Volgin, the BigBad of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'', BigBad, can generate and control electricity, and while some of his weaknesses are merely personality quirks, others follow logically from his powers: his electric bolts can be pulled away from their intended target by conductive materials, he can't use his powers in water without hurting himself, and as a RequiredSecondaryPower, his body is highly conductive, making him a human lightning rod. [[spoiler: The first two weaknesses can be exploited in his boss fight, and the last ultimately results in his KarmicDeath.]]
** *** The same game also features The Pain, who Pain has [[BeeBeeGun the ability to control a swarm of bees]], and who you fight in a large water-filled cavern. It's possible to avoid his attacks entirely by diving into the water, weaken them by waving a torch or applying bug spray, and disrupt his bee-armor by throwing grenades into the water and splashing him.
27th Mar '17 7:28:52 AM Ambaryerno
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** There's also the fact that having his entire skeleton coated in adamantium would kill him without his HealingFactor: Not only is adamantium toxic, (there's a reason real-life prosthesis involves biologically inert metals like titanium) but it would prevent his marrow from functioning properly.
** His daughter/OppositeSexClone Comicbook/{{X 23}} suffers many of these same weaknesses, though her body is not severely impacted by adamantium itself since only her claws are bonded.
24th Mar '17 3:46:21 PM NoSpoilerz
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** Toph Bei Fong was born blind, but uses [[DishingOutDirt Earthbender]] [[ElementalPowers skills]] as a DisabilitySuperpower to [[MagicAIsMagicA feel vibrations]] in stone, compacted soil [[spoiler: and metal.]] This means she can't "see" things that are touching the ground and her "sight" is severely impaired if she's not in contact with her element -- She is extremely apprehensive riding on Appa, gets a view comparable to static when on sand (though it ''is'' possible for earthbenders to control sand, and she has gained enough skill with it to create a mini Ba Sing Se out of sand in the first part of the GrandFinale), and is seen having to hold onto her companions when traveling on a wood-built village. Traveling on a metal boat is bearable, but she throws up within minutes of boarding a [[spoiler: submarine.]] And in a world without Braille, she's illiterate. But if she's on an earthen surface, she can see all around her, even behind things. And none of this stops her from intercepting catapult weapons fired from another ship on water, though that may just be her inherent skill.

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** Toph Bei Fong was born blind, but uses [[DishingOutDirt Earthbender]] [[ElementalPowers skills]] as a DisabilitySuperpower to [[MagicAIsMagicA feel vibrations]] in stone, compacted soil [[spoiler: and metal.]] This means she can't "see" things that are aren't touching the ground and her "sight" is severely impaired if she's not in contact with her element -- She is extremely apprehensive riding on Appa, gets a view comparable to static when on sand (though it ''is'' possible for earthbenders to control sand, and she has gained enough skill with it to create a mini Ba Sing Se out of sand in the first part of the GrandFinale), and is seen having to hold onto her companions when traveling on a wood-built village. Traveling on a metal boat is bearable, but she throws up within minutes of boarding a [[spoiler: submarine.]] And in a world without Braille, she's illiterate. But if she's on an earthen surface, she can see all around her, even behind things. And none of this stops her from intercepting catapult weapons fired from another ship on water, though that may just be her inherent skill.
22nd Mar '17 1:10:37 PM ZombieAladdin
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** Pica's Stone-Stone fruit initially seemed like an utter GameBreaker. It allows him to assimilate with and control stone, and everything on Dressrosa was made of stone. He was finally beaten when Zoro realized if you cut his stone form in half, he had to escape into one part of it, and so Zoro chopped a giant stone form to bits while keeping them in the air, until there wasn't any stone large enough for Pica to hide in, nor could he escape into the ground. It was over for Pica after that. This logical weaknesses was actually attached all the way back to Buggy the Clown. While his Chop-Chop powers enable him to split his body into numerous floating pieces, ''some'' part of his body needs to be the "base" part and ''stay on the ground''. That's why Luffy was able to find and successfully attack his ''feet''.

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** Pica's Stone-Stone fruit initially seemed like an utter GameBreaker. It allows him to assimilate with and control stone, and everything on Dressrosa was made of stone. He was finally beaten when Zoro realized if you cut his stone form in half, he had to escape into one part of it, and so Zoro chopped a giant stone form to bits while keeping them in the air, until there wasn't any stone large enough for Pica to hide in, nor could he escape into the ground. It was over for Pica after that. (Such an opponent needs to be strong enough to cut stone in the first place, of course.) This logical weaknesses was actually attached all the way back to Buggy the Clown. While his Chop-Chop powers enable him to split his body into numerous floating pieces, ''some'' part of his body needs to be the "base" part and ''stay on the ground''. That's why Luffy was able to find and successfully attack his ''feet''.



** Baraggan Luisenbarn is a WalkingWasteland, projecting an aura that rapidly ages everything around him. Since it's always turned on, Baraggan has to constantly protect himself from his own aura. This proves fatal for Baraggan when a rapidly-decomposing object is placed where he cannot protect himself--[[spoiler:namely, inside of his body.]]



** Yoshikage Kira's "Bites the Dust" power traps its victim in a GroundhogDayLoop, and if anyone finds out about Kira's identity through the victim, they explode. The victim then restarts the day, though that person will continue to explode in every iteration at the same time. How does one get out of the loop? Because Bites the Dust is a Stand power, Kira needs to physically attach his Stand, Killer Queen, to the victim. If Kira himself ever gets into a situation where he needs his other powers, Kira must recall the Stand from the victim, ending the loop immediately.



* Many Quirks in ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' have weaknesses in the form of low-level {{Heroic RROD}}s, running the risk of injury if over- or improperly used. These risks are often a direct result of the particular power. GravityMaster Uraraka experiences symptoms of vertigo. Kaminari short circuits his own brain and temporarily becomes a dullard if he unleashes his full ShockAndAwe. Mineta, who can pull sticky balls from his body, will begin bleeding if he does too many at once.

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* Many Quirks in ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' have weaknesses in the form of low-level {{Heroic RROD}}s, running the risk of injury if over- or improperly used. These risks are often a direct result of the particular power. GravityMaster Uraraka experiences symptoms of vertigo. Kaminari short circuits his own brain and temporarily becomes a dullard if he unleashes his full ShockAndAwe. Mineta, who can pull sticky balls from his body, will begin bleeding if he does too many at once. Mirio has it the worst: He can make himself intangible, but he has none of the RequiredSecondaryPowers. While intangible, he cannot see, hear, or even breathe, as every particle will travel right through him. He is also still affected by gravity when intangible, so every act of passing through things becomes a complicated process so he doesn't fall through the ground.
19th Mar '17 11:02:48 AM NNinja
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*** Their tools have a logical weakness as well: They constantly drain large amounts of chakra from anyone holding them. Only somebody with chakra comparable to a jinchuuriki can safely handle them for any length of time. Tenten tried using one of them and ended up near death after the battle.
14th Mar '17 8:07:42 PM KeithM
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*** Grodd is also an incredibly dangerous threat to much smaller humans who don't have his mental powers, let alone size and strength. However, when faced by someone like Solovar, a gorilla who is just as large, just as strong, cannot be mentally controlled, but who is trained in hand-to-hand combat against his peers, Grodd is woefully outclassed [[spoiler: and [[CurbStompBattle suffers a curb-stomping]] at Solovar's hands]].
14th Mar '17 7:57:53 PM KeithM
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* HonorHarrington comes from a line of people genetically engineered to be stronger and faster than baseline humans...but it also increases her metabolism. In normal circumstances this isn't a problem but when she's trapped in a situation where her team is on emergency rations, what would be sufficient for a normal person is causing her barely preventing her from starving to death. A novel set earlier in the universe's timeline demonstrates this a problem in general for people engineered to be stronger to live on heavy-gravity worlds, as one military recruit, limited to eat the same amount as the other recruits due to a bureaucratic policy, is essentially suffering from malnutrition.

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* HonorHarrington comes from a line of people genetically engineered to be stronger and faster than baseline humans...but it also increases her metabolism. In normal circumstances this isn't a problem but when she's trapped in a situation where her team is on emergency rations, what would be sufficient for a normal person is causing her barely preventing her from starving to death. A novel set earlier in the universe's timeline demonstrates this a problem in general for people engineered to be stronger to live on heavy-gravity worlds, as one military recruit, limited to eat the same amount as the other recruits due to a bureaucratic policy, is essentially suffering from malnutrition.
14th Mar '17 7:54:35 PM KeithM
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* HonorHarrington comes from a line of people genetically engineered to be stronger and faster than baseline humans...but it also increases her metabolism. In normal circumstances this isn't a problem but when she's trapped in a situation where her team is on emergency rations, what would be sufficient for a normal person is causing her barely preventing her from starving to death. A novel set earlier in the universe's timeline demonstrates this a problem in general for people engineered to be stronger to live on heavy-gravity worlds, as one military recruit, limited to eat the same amount as the other recruits due to a bureaucratic policy, is essentially suffering from malnutrition.
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