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13th Jan '17 7:11:39 PM Vampygirl63
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* In ''Fanfic/TheBridge'', Enjin has both an extremely strong HealingFactor and AdaptiveAbility meaning fighting it for extended periods of time not only wear the opponent down, as Enjin is a PerpetualMotionMonster, but make it harder and harder for them to fight back and do any damage. Monster X figures out from [[spoiler: Aria Blaze's fight with it]] that Enjin fuels its powers by drawing power from the ground. Knocked into the air and Enjin can't heal or adapt. [[spoiler: A super-charged Monster X kills Enjin by blasting it skyward and tearing Aria out of its core.]]
11th Jan '17 9:01:34 AM Nintendoman01
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** The Man on Fire of ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain''. Being, well, a ManOnFire, he can be warded off by enough water, like a sprinkler system. In the cassette tape "The Man on Fire's Weakness," Ocelot, despite expressing surprise at how simple it is to ward him off, [[LampshadeHanging nonetheless acknowledges that it makes sense]].
2nd Jan '17 6:31:58 PM MiddleEighth
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*In ''Fanfic/WithStringsAttached'' and ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone'', John's hearing has been improved considerably, to the point where he can hear all kinds of tiny noises. However, until he learned to tune it, he had trouble sleeping because of all the noises he picked up around him. Worse, shrill or loud noises cause him pain, sometimes to the point of incapacitation. In ''Strings'', the shrieking of the Hunter's {{BFS}} Blackfire completely disables him during that encounter. In ''Keys'', [[spoiler: The Circle]] use this against him during their ambush at Hermit's Rock. And when he tunes his hearing so he can hear very faint noises, the other noises he picks up give him a massive headache.
29th Dec '16 6:59:32 PM Sonofstranger
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* [[Characters/StarWarsEmperorPalpatine Emperor Palpatine]] is an old man. While he is shown to be a very skilled lightsaber deulist, force user, and strategist, his physical strength, stamina, and agility seem to have left with his youth. So, while he could hold his own against Maul and Savage, Mace Windu, and Yoda, he does not have the endurance to stay in protracted fights that he can't win quickly, instead relying on the Force to keep himself going. Add a few decades to that, and in ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Return of the Jedi]]'', he's completely helpless against Darth Vader when he grabs and lifts him.
25th Dec '16 11:09:34 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* During one of his battles with ComicBook/AtomicRobo, [[MadScientist Helsingrad]] boast about how his {{MechSuit}}'s sense were tied into those of his [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot cyborg-zomibe minions]]. Robo quickly realizes that if he beats on the minions long enough and hard enough, Helsingrad will suffer from sensory overload. [[SubvertedTrope Unfortunately]], [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Helsingrad anticipated this, and installed a failsafe that cuts off the sensory link at a certain pain threshold]]. Played straight with the fact that Helsingrad is a BrainInAJar, meaning a well placed shot is all it takes.

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* During one of his battles with ComicBook/AtomicRobo, [[MadScientist Helsingrad]] boast about how his {{MechSuit}}'s sense were tied into those of his [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot cyborg-zomibe minions]]. Robo quickly realizes that if he beats on the minions long enough and hard enough, Helsingrad will suffer from sensory overload. [[SubvertedTrope Unfortunately]], [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy Helsingrad anticipated this, and installed a failsafe that cuts off the sensory link at a certain pain threshold]].threshold. Played straight with the fact that Helsingrad is a BrainInAJar, meaning a well placed shot is all it takes.
22nd Dec '16 7:28:31 PM ProgenyExMachina
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* In ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', the Dirty Bubble, archnemesis of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy, has them trapped by his "awesome surface tension." [=SpongeBob=] inadvertently defeats him by accidentally popping him with a pencil while asking for an autograph.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'', the Dirty Bubble, archnemesis of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy, has them trapped by his "awesome surface tension." [=SpongeBob=] inadvertently defeats him by accidentally popping him with a pencil while asking for an autograph.
14th Dec '16 12:17:19 PM brianify
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* In ''[[Film/RevengeOfTheSith Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith]]'', General Grievous, while a powerful cyborg, is not a Force-user and is therefore extremely vulnerable to Force powers as he has no means of defense or response. While this should be obvious, in the movie as well as in [[WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars other]] [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars media]], [[ForgotAboutHisPowers hardly anyone thinks to use the Force against him]].
11th Dec '16 8:03:59 PM Peteman
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** In "Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back The Falls", the shield prevents Bill and his fellow monsters from affecting the shack. However, the giant shack mech extends its limbs outside the shield, allowing a giant Bill Cypher to rip off its leg and beat it into submission using the leg as a weapon.
11th Dec '16 4:44:01 PM Fireblood
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*** Noah Bennet shields his thoughts from Parkman's power by ''thinking in Japanese'', a language Matt can't understand. Which brings up FridgeLogic when you consider that it means that everyone else whose mind he read must have actually been [[ConvenientlyCoherentThoughts thinking about the specific information he needed, in full sentences, at the specific time he was reading their mind.]]

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*** Noah Bennet shields his thoughts from Parkman's power by ''thinking in Japanese'', a language that Matt can't doesn't understand. Which brings up FridgeLogic when you consider that it means that everyone else whose mind he read must have actually been [[ConvenientlyCoherentThoughts thinking about the specific information he needed, in full sentences, at the specific time he was reading their mind.]]



** Eric Doyle can create PeoplePuppets by miming the action he wants a particular individual to do (such as dragging something soft against his own throat to make someone holding a shard of glass do the same)--but if he ''stops'' doing the action, even for a moment, the person is freed and able to fight back. He learned this the hard way when he did a bit of EvilGloating which allowed Emma to stop playing her cello and attack him with a blast of energy.

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** Eric Doyle can create PeoplePuppets by miming the action he wants a particular individual to do (such as dragging something soft against his own throat to make someone holding a shard of glass do the same)--but if he ''stops'' doing the action, even for a moment, the person is freed and able to fight back. He learned this the hard way when he did a bit of EvilGloating EvilGloating, which allowed Emma to stop playing her cello and attack him with a blast of energy.



** In ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', Borg nanites prove to be useless against a species, whose hyper-advanced immune systems instantly destroy any foreign object entering their bodies. This also means that the Borg, who are characterized by their CreativeSterility, are unable to adequately fight Species 8472, as they are unable to learn their weaknesses without assimilating them (and their weapons are simply too powerful for Borg defenses to adapt).

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** In ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', Borg nanites prove to be useless against a species, species whose hyper-advanced immune systems instantly destroy any foreign object entering their bodies. This also means that the Borg, who are characterized by their CreativeSterility, are unable to adequately fight Species 8472, as they are unable to learn their weaknesses without assimilating them (and their weapons are simply too powerful for Borg defenses to adapt).



** In one episode, a LiteralGenie grants someone the power to become invisible. He has to strip naked to make any use of it, which he considers a small tradeoff, although it makes going outside uncomfortable. Even more uncomfortable: he promptly gets hit by a car because the driver didn't see him. A previous "beneficiary" of the genie's wishes ended up with an inhumanly large, ahem, [[GagPenis manhood]]. He then keeled over from lack of blood to the brain when he got excited. And the paramedics had trouble getting him through the door while he was lying on his back.

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** In one episode, a LiteralGenie grants someone the power to become invisible. He has to strip naked to make any use of it, which he considers a small tradeoff, trade off, although it makes going outside uncomfortable. Even more uncomfortable: he promptly gets hit by a car because the driver didn't see him. A previous "beneficiary" of the genie's wishes ended up with an inhumanly large, ahem, [[GagPenis manhood]]. He then keeled over from lack of blood to the brain when he got excited. And the paramedics had trouble getting him through the door while he was lying on his back.



** If you touch the Ticket you will be teleported just outside Gallop, New Mexico no matter where in the world you are. It's very handy for quick getaways and to dispose of attacker or people who simply annoy you. However, its owner kept teleporting himself to New Mexico whenever he handled it. He finally was able to cover enough of it in duct tape that he could handle it safely.

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** If you touch the Ticket you will be teleported just outside Gallop, New Mexico no matter where in the world you are. It's very handy for quick getaways and to dispose of attacker attackers or people who simply annoy you. However, its owner kept teleporting himself to New Mexico whenever he handled it. He finally was able to cover enough of it in duct tape that he could handle it safely.



* In ''Series/BabylonFive'', when using telepathy to determinate what someone knows, it only reveals the subjective truth. When Lord Refa uses a telepath to mind probe Vir to find out about Londo's scheme, he didn't take into account the possibility of Londo lying to Vir. In the end, [[spoiler: he walks into a trap and gets torn apart by angry Narn, who are understandably pissed considering he was the one who ordered the use of mass drivers on their home world, a war crime so severe, it even gets condemnation from the normally distant Vorlons.]]

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* In ''Series/BabylonFive'', when using telepathy to determinate what someone knows, it only reveals the subjective truth. When Lord Refa uses a telepath to mind probe Vir to find out about Londo's scheme, he didn't take into account the possibility of Londo lying to Vir. In the end, [[spoiler: he walks into a trap and gets torn apart by angry Narn, who are understandably pissed considering he was the one who ordered the use of [[ColonyDrop mass drivers drivers]] on their home world, a war crime so severe, severe it even gets condemnation from the normally distant Vorlons.]]



* ''Series/TheFlash2014'' has Shawna Baez aka Peak-a-boo, who can teleport anywhere as long as she can see the destination. Naturally, this means that putting her in a completely dark space makes her powers useless, allowing Barry to easily overpower her.

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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'' has Shawna Baez Baez, aka Peak-a-boo, who can teleport anywhere as long as she can see the destination. Naturally, this means that putting her in a completely dark space makes her powers useless, allowing Barry to easily overpower her.



* In ''Series/JessicaJones'' the villain Kilgrave has a CompellingVoice which he can use to order someone to do ''anything,'' up to ''killing themselves.'' However, there are some ways to combat this; his power doesn't work if the intended victim can't ''hear'' him - [[spoiler: which Jessica and Trish use to protect the latter by way of noise cancelling headphones]] - and, obviously, he can't use his power if he can't actually talk; at one point Jessica shoves a napkin into his mouth to gag him.

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* In ''Series/JessicaJones'' the villain Kilgrave has a CompellingVoice which he can use to order someone to do ''anything,'' up to ''killing themselves.'' However, there are some ways to combat this; his power doesn't work if the intended victim can't ''hear'' him - [[spoiler: which Jessica and Trish use to protect the latter by way of noise cancelling noise-cancelling headphones]] - and, obviously, he can't use his power if he can't actually talk; at one point Jessica shoves a napkin into his mouth to gag him.
11th Dec '16 4:24:51 PM Fireblood
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* The final fight in Film/FantasticFour2015 is quick, but Doctor Doom still gets to exploit this on the Fantastic Four. He uses his telekinetic and EldritchLocation powers to use dirt overwhelm and smother Johnny's flames, giant rocks to repeatedly beat back and tire out Ben, destroys the coils that allow Reed to control his powers and hold his body together, and forces Sue to use her force fields long enough that she risks running out of oxygen and suffocating.
** The [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film]] dealt with this as well. When Doom first tries to get rid of the Four, he fires a heat-seeking rpg at Johnny, and hooks Reed up to canisters of liquid nitrogen, making him brittle. [[spoiler: In the final battle, Reed takes advantage of Doom's metal body by having Johnny hit him with a massive inferno, and then hosing him with water from a fire hydrant-the rapid cooling [[AndIMustScream hardens and freezes him into a statue]] ]].

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* The final fight in Film/FantasticFour2015 is quick, but Doctor Doom still gets to exploit this on the Fantastic Four. He uses his telekinetic and EldritchLocation powers to use dirt to overwhelm and smother Johnny's flames, giant rocks to repeatedly beat back and tire out Ben, destroys the coils that allow Reed to control his powers and hold his body together, and forces Sue to use her force fields long enough that she risks running out of oxygen and suffocating.
** The [[Film/FantasticFour2005 2005 film]] dealt with this as well. When Doom first tries to get rid of the Four, he fires a heat-seeking rpg [=RPG=] at Johnny, and hooks Reed up to canisters of liquid nitrogen, making him brittle. [[spoiler: In the final battle, Reed takes advantage of Doom's metal body by having Johnny hit him with a massive inferno, and then hosing him with water from a fire hydrant-the rapid cooling [[AndIMustScream hardens and freezes him into a statue]] ]].



* In ''Literature/DeltoraQuest'', the legendary level-3 [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Ols]] can mimic something so perfectly it's impossible to tell them from the real thing, and they lack the tells of other Ols. However, they shapeshift so deeply into whatever they're impersonating that they also gain its weakness, and a human-shaped level-3 Ol can be killed by anything that would kill a human. [[spoiler: The level-3 Ol Prandine, who was masquerading as a human advisor to Deltora's royalty, fell for a trick that led to DestinationDefenestration.]]

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* In ''Literature/DeltoraQuest'', the legendary level-3 [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Ols]] can mimic something so perfectly it's impossible to tell them from the real thing, and they lack the tells of other Ols. However, they shapeshift so deeply into whatever they're impersonating that they also gain its weakness, and a human-shaped level-3 Ol can be killed by anything that would kill a human. [[spoiler: The level-3 Ol Prandine, who was masquerading as a human advisor adviser to Deltora's royalty, fell for a trick that led to DestinationDefenestration.]]



* The fact that the Church of God Awaiting doesn't know ''how'' the Charisian protagonists of ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' stay one step ahead of them so consistently does not stop them from developing countermeasures against it. The Empire of Charis has access to technology far beyond the planet's MedievalStasis, letting them spy on just about anyplace they want. While simply assuming Charis just has damnably good spies, the Church works out their Temple is a blind spot and cut their troops fake orders sending them one place before changing at the very last second to throw off Charisian response. Zhaspahr Clyntahn also organizes a network of agents who no direct contact with one another to prevent spies from learning anything from an overheard conversation.

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* The fact that the Church of God Awaiting doesn't know ''how'' the Charisian protagonists of ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' stay one step ahead of them so consistently does not stop them from developing countermeasures against it. The Empire of Charis has access to technology far beyond the planet's MedievalStasis, letting them spy on just about anyplace they want. While simply assuming Charis just has damnably good spies, the Church works out their Temple is a blind spot and cut give their troops fake orders sending them one place before changing at the very last second to throw off Charisian response. Zhaspahr Clyntahn also organizes a network of agents who have no direct contact with one another to prevent spies from learning anything from by an overheard conversation.



* The original ''Literature/TheInvisibleMan'' pointed out a lot of these in regards to invisibility. For example, to actually be completely undetectable Griffin has to strip down until he's naked since his clothes don't turn invisible with him; this makes exploiting his invisibility more treacherous than ever when he ends up in a snowy mountain town as he could easily freeze to death. Griffin also notes that it's ''incredibly'' difficult to move around without making any noise, so the invisibility only works best when he remains completely still and doing that carries the risk of someone bumping into you.

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* The original ''Literature/TheInvisibleMan'' pointed out a lot of these in regards to invisibility. For example, to actually be completely undetectable Griffin has to strip down until he's naked since his clothes don't turn invisible with him; this makes exploiting his invisibility more treacherous than ever when he ends up in a snowy mountain town as he could easily freeze to death. Griffin also notes that it's ''incredibly'' difficult to move around without making any noise, so the invisibility only works best when he remains completely still still, and doing that carries the risk of someone bumping into you.you. Also, the food he eats is not invisible, so it can be seen [[{{Squick}} digesting in his stomach]].



* In C. S. Lewis's ''Literature/TheSpaceTrilogy'', the Un-Man is pretty much the devil incarnate, and his rhetorical skills are basically unassailable, which is a problem since he's trying to convince the Queen of Perelandra (Venus's version of Eve) to embrace sin. However, he's the devil incarnate ''in the body of a unfit middle-aged man'', and thus has no real defense against physical attacks.

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* In C. S. Lewis's ''Literature/TheSpaceTrilogy'', the Un-Man is pretty much the devil incarnate, and his rhetorical skills are basically unassailable, which is a problem since he's trying to convince the Queen of Perelandra (Venus's version of Eve) to embrace sin. However, he's the devil incarnate ''in the body of a an unfit middle-aged man'', and thus has no real defense against physical attacks.
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