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29th Feb '16 6:15:18 AM Bissek
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* In the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'' novels, rank among the Imperial Auditors is entirely due to seniority, so one only increases in rank when a more senior Auditor dies or retires. Of course, even the most junior Auditor outranks everyone else in the Empire other than the Emperor, and Auditors generally work independently, so relative rank among them doesn't mean much.
10th Feb '16 1:36:15 PM djizomdjinn
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** Invoked and subverted by Face Loran, leader of [[BadassCrew the Wraiths]]. As a fighter pilot, he achieved the rank of Captain before transferring with his unit to Intelligence (which goes back and forth about using military ranks vs. having a civilian intelligence agency's structure). He keeps the rank pretty much for the rest of his career because it's useful to him to have some clout, while not being high-ranking enough to actually matter, thus ensuring that he can "disappear" when need be. Since the higher ranks of Intelligence are a tight-knit community, his lack of rank doesn't affect his actual influence in the slightest.

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** Invoked and subverted by Face Loran, leader of [[BadassCrew the Wraiths]]. As a fighter pilot, he achieved the rank of Captain before transferring with his unit to Intelligence (which goes back and forth about using military ranks vs. having a civilian intelligence agency's structure). He keeps the rank pretty much for the rest of his career because it's useful to him to have some clout, while not being high-ranking enough to actually matter, thus ensuring that he can "disappear" when need be. Since the higher ranks of Intelligence are a tight-knit community, his lack of rank doesn't affect his actual influence in the slightest. As of Mercy Kill though... [[spoiler: his investigation and rooting out of the last of the Lecersen Conspiracy earns him the post of head of Intelligence. So there's nowhere higher to go.]]
28th Dec '15 9:12:41 PM TheRoguePenguin
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* [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Homer Simpson]] will always get busted back down to safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. Sometimes this is due to his own negligence, but more often, the show lampshades the inflexibility of his day-to-day existence. (We even see an elderly Homer occupying the same office in the future.)
-->'''Homer:''' Hey Mom, did you know I was [[ContinuityNod blasted into space]]?\\
'''Mona:''' Yes Homer, it ''was'' national news. So... do you still work for N.A.S.A.?\\
'''Homer:''' No, I work at the Nuclear Power Plant.
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* [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Homer Simpson]] will always get busted back down to safety inspector at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. Sometimes this is due to his own negligence, but more often, the show lampshades the inflexibility of his day-to-day existence. (We even see an elderly Homer occupying the same office in the future.)
-->'''Homer:''' Hey Mom, did you know I was [[ContinuityNod blasted into space]]?\\
'''Mona:''' Yes Homer, it ''was'' national news. So... do you still work for N.A.S.A.?\\
'''Homer:''' No, I work at the Nuclear Power Plant.
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27th Dec '15 9:07:34 PM jormis29
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* ''{{Suits}}'' plays with this. In the pilot Harvey is promoted to Senior Partner which highlights his rapid rise through the firm's ranks. It is clear that he aims to become a Named Partner and might even challenge Jessica for Managing Partner. At the same time Louis is still stuck as Junior Partner which is a major source of frustration for him with various factions using the promise of promotion to lure him to their side. Mike's prospects at the firm are initially presented as being unlimited as long as he does not screw up but then RealityEnsues and it becomes clear that the lies that allow him to practice law also make him unpromotable. He needs to keep a low profile unless someone decides to dig into his past and discovers the truth. However, without winning high profile cases he will never make partner.

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* ''{{Suits}}'' ''Series/{{Suits}}'' plays with this. In the pilot Harvey is promoted to Senior Partner which highlights his rapid rise through the firm's ranks. It is clear that he aims to become a Named Partner and might even challenge Jessica for Managing Partner. At the same time Louis is still stuck as Junior Partner which is a major source of frustration for him with various factions using the promise of promotion to lure him to their side. Mike's prospects at the firm are initially presented as being unlimited as long as he does not screw up but then RealityEnsues and it becomes clear that the lies that allow him to practice law also make him unpromotable. He needs to keep a low profile unless someone decides to dig into his past and discovers the truth. However, without winning high profile cases he will never make partner.



* Largely played straight in ''{{The West Wing}}'' with a number of characters who remain in the same jobs for years, even when doing so is unrealistic (e.g. CJ is Press Secretary for 7 years, when real-life Press Secretaries tend to have much shorter tenures). Begins to become a plot point late in season 5, primarily for Donna (who everyone has noticed is staying in her job much longer than she should due to her devotion to Josh, who in turn isnít promoting her or helping her career due to some mixture of dependency on her and lack of respect for her potential), but also for Charlie, who is reluctant to finish law school because he knows the President will force him to look for a new job when he does, and CJ, whose promotion to Chief of Staff is a significant arc in season 6. For the most part, where promotions/career advancement did happen, the show either moved focus to include characters who changed jobs (e.g. the focus on election campaigns in season 6 and 7 allowed characters like Josh to stay involved), or just had the character hang around without explanation (e.g. Will, who moves from POTUSí staff to be VPOTUSí Director of Communications, in an entirely different building, and yet is still always around the White House, and attends all the same senior staff meetings the main cast do despite his predecessor very definitely not attending them)

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* Largely played straight in ''{{The West Wing}}'' ''Series/TheWestWing'' with a number of characters who remain in the same jobs for years, even when doing so is unrealistic (e.g. CJ is Press Secretary for 7 years, when real-life Press Secretaries tend to have much shorter tenures). Begins to become a plot point late in season 5, primarily for Donna (who everyone has noticed is staying in her job much longer than she should due to her devotion to Josh, who in turn isnít promoting her or helping her career due to some mixture of dependency on her and lack of respect for her potential), but also for Charlie, who is reluctant to finish law school because he knows the President will force him to look for a new job when he does, and CJ, whose promotion to Chief of Staff is a significant arc in season 6. For the most part, where promotions/career advancement did happen, the show either moved focus to include characters who changed jobs (e.g. the focus on election campaigns in season 6 and 7 allowed characters like Josh to stay involved), or just had the character hang around without explanation (e.g. Will, who moves from POTUSí staff to be VPOTUSí Director of Communications, in an entirely different building, and yet is still always around the White House, and attends all the same senior staff meetings the main cast do despite his predecessor very definitely not attending them)
12th Dec '15 5:42:12 PM nombretomado
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* In the StarWars ExpandedUniverse [[XWingSeries X-Wing series]], Wedge Antilles frequently passes up chances for advancement, preferring the rank of Commander and leading Rogue Squadron to taking a greater role. Eventually, though, he realizes he's being a bit selfish--that he could contribute at a much greater level. Ackbar also notes that for an upcoming campaign, he'll need rank to pull. That, and the fact that some generals are allowed to stay on commanding elite squadrons instead of flying a desk all the time, convinces him. (It's notable he's a general, and one with no small influence over the supreme commander, before he's 30, though.)

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* In the StarWars ExpandedUniverse [[XWingSeries [[Literature/XWingSeries X-Wing series]], Wedge Antilles frequently passes up chances for advancement, preferring the rank of Commander and leading Rogue Squadron to taking a greater role. Eventually, though, he realizes he's being a bit selfish--that he could contribute at a much greater level. Ackbar also notes that for an upcoming campaign, he'll need rank to pull. That, and the fact that some generals are allowed to stay on commanding elite squadrons instead of flying a desk all the time, convinces him. (It's notable he's a general, and one with no small influence over the supreme commander, before he's 30, though.)
16th Nov '15 8:28:01 PM G02
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** Sub-Lieutenant Phillips does actually go before a promotion board at one point, but for reasons that are only indirectly related to the fact that [CaptainCrash he's damaged more Royal Navy property than some small wars]] he doesn't get it. CPO Pertwee has actually been promoted as far as he could go without [[UpThroughTheRanks earning an officer's commission]], as the Royal Navy doesn't have a ''Master'' Chief rank and between 1949 and 1973 it had no Warrant Officers either.

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** Sub-Lieutenant Phillips does actually go before a promotion board at one point, but for reasons that are only indirectly related to the fact that [CaptainCrash [[CaptainCrash he's damaged more Royal Navy property than some small wars]] he doesn't get it. CPO Pertwee has actually been promoted as far as he could go without [[UpThroughTheRanks earning an officer's commission]], as the Royal Navy doesn't have a ''Master'' Chief rank and between 1949 and 1973 it had no Warrant Officers either.



** Much as the example of [[Franchise/MassEffect Commander Shepard]], mentioned below, the Chief tends to exert influence far out of proportion to his actual rank (the Spartans were selected as much for brains as for brawn), though he's by both training and nature obedient even to authority figures he dislikes. ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'', however, shows what happens when a superior finally pushes him too far; he disobeys orders, arguably mutinies, and steals UNSC equipment. The result is that [[spoiler:the captain who issued the orders he ignored is cashiered by the UNSC, and the executive officer who listened to the Chief and also disobeyed orders to help him is promoted]].

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** Much as the example of [[Franchise/MassEffect Commander Shepard]], mentioned below, the Chief tends to exert influence far out of proportion to his actual rank (the Spartans were selected as much for brains as for brawn), though he's by both training and nature obedient even to authority figures he dislikes. ''VideoGame/{{Halo 4}}'', however, shows what happens when a superior finally pushes him too far; he disobeys orders, arguably mutinies, and steals UNSC equipment. The result is that [[spoiler:the captain who issued the orders he ignored is cashiered by the UNSC, and the executive officer who listened to the Chief and also disobeyed orders to help him is promoted]].promoted. Justified and exaggerated; the captain's plan was so ''stupid'' the entire rest of the ship stood with the Master Chief, even giving him a ship and some heavy weaponry]].
** Invoked by other characters in the UNSC too. Edward Buck and James Cutter, a gunnery sergeant and a small ship captain respectively, both have skills that could propel them far beyond their ranks but refuse to take promotions because [[AFatherToHisMen they don't want to leave their crew behind.]] In both cases this is noted as a problem by the higher ups.
14th Nov '15 9:34:50 AM CynicalBastardo
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* In ''Film/TheATeam'', the movie starts out eight years in the past with Face being a lieutenant and Murdock being a captain. Hannibal is referred to as a colonel, but it's not expressed in the beginning of the film whether he's a lieutenant colonel or a full-bird. When the movie moves to the present, they're all still the same rank.

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* In ''Film/TheATeam'', the movie starts out eight years in the past with Face being a lieutenant and Murdock being a captain. Hannibal is referred to as a colonel, but it's not expressed in the beginning of the film whether he's a lieutenant colonel or a full-bird. When the movie moves to the present, apart from BA, who is now a Sergeant instead of a Corporal, they're all still the same rank.
8th Nov '15 6:58:05 AM Bissek
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* In the ''Literature/{{Tinker}}'' series, advancement opportunities among the sekasha aren't so much limited as they are virtually nonexistent. Rank is determined entirely by seniority of service to one's chosen domi, so the only ways to get promoted are for either more senior sekasha to die or for the domi to die and the sekasha to get a new position with another domi with fewer sekasha already in service. And since elven lifespans are measured in millennia, neither of these happen very often. This is the reason why most domi only have one Hand (five men) of sekasha - anyone hired into a lesser Hand will likely stay there for the rest of their lives, so only those domi who are important enough that being in their service holds enough prestige to offset not being in their First Hand are able to attract men after the First Hand is filled.
17th Oct '15 8:06:15 AM Divra
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** Cyrus is specifically mentioned to stay in his position because it offers him power well beyond his reponsibilities. His focus on stealth and evasion have recieved criticism from traditionalists within the chapter, but Cyrus knows his methods work (they got him pegged for the Deathwatch, an organisation which is to the Space Marines what the 75th Ranger Battallion is to the Dental Corps), and that if he just stays in his current job and doesn't screw up epically, there won't be a single Blood Raven who hasn't grown into Space Marine-dom by learning from him in a few centuries.
17th Oct '15 7:52:46 AM Divra
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** Harkness has reached the top of the NCO ranks. He ''can't'' advance any higher without "going mustang" and becoming an officer, for which he has a towering lower-deck disdain (and which usually is very difficult, though in his case probably not so much). That said, he's been stated several times to hold responsibilities equivalent to a Commander's in the new, org-chart-still-being-written LAC wings he serves in; he's basically a chief engineer. Worth noting that everybody still calls him "Chief", even though that is emphatically ''not'' a title that a CWO would normally be entitled to. He gets to keep using it only because he is [[MemeticBadass Sir Horace Harkness]]. Previously, he had been promoted many times, and busted down in rank just as many times (notably, he was passed over for Chief Petty OFficer ''twenty times''), for his inability to stay out of trouble or to avoid beating up SpaceMarines.

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** Harkness has reached the top of the NCO ranks. He ''can't'' advance any higher without "going mustang" and becoming an officer, for which he has a towering lower-deck disdain (and which usually is very difficult, though in his case probably not so much). That said, he's been stated several times to hold responsibilities equivalent to a Commander's in the new, org-chart-still-being-written LAC wings he serves in; he's basically a chief engineer. Worth noting that everybody still calls him "Chief", even though that is emphatically ''not'' a title that a CWO would normally be entitled to. He gets to keep using it only because he is [[MemeticBadass Sir Horace Harkness]]. Previously, he had been promoted many times, and busted down in rank just as many times (notably, he was passed over for Chief Petty OFficer Officer ''twenty times''), for his inability to stay out of trouble or to avoid beating up SpaceMarines.
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