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31st Aug '17 11:43:21 PM Nautilus1
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* Many branches of theology or religious philosophy, Christian or otherwise, would say that it is impossible to speak of the divine or transcendental in any other way than through analogies that will always be imperfect. Others would say even ''that'' is impossible and that it can only be "described" through negations, stating what the transcendental is not but never what it is. A common criticism is that this idea doesn't actually mean anything, since none of the terms can be defined. For example: "The Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao."

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* Many branches of theology or religious philosophy, Christian or otherwise, would say that it is impossible to speak of the divine or transcendental in any other way than through analogies that will always be imperfect. Others would say even ''that'' is impossible and that it can only be "described" through negations, stating what the transcendental is not but never what it is. A common criticism is that this idea doesn't actually mean anything, since none of the terms can be defined. For example: "The Tao that can be spoken of is not the true Tao.""[[note]]This is often [[FlameWar a flame bait]] when religious fundamentalists interpret their Holy Books literally.[[/note]]
31st Aug '17 11:40:46 PM Nautilus1
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* Amateur automobile racers are taught to use the brake and throttle under the guise that a car's center of mass moves (hopefully where it should) between axles during such manoeuvers. Actually [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_transfer the load on each axle moves]], the shift in the center of mass due to the car leaning forwards or sideways is very small. Weight transfer is generally of far less practical importance than load transfer.
7th Aug '17 4:30:54 AM ImpudentInfidel
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*** Incidents of ValuesDissonance will generally be glossed over or ignored entirely unless it's central to the intended narrative. For instance, don't expect the fact that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil slave owners]] to get much focus.
4th Jun '17 8:48:14 AM nombretomado
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See also PhlebotinumAnalogy. May pop up while giving TheTalk. Compare LaymansTerms. We're pretty familiar with it here on TVTropes, due to RealityIsUnrealistic.

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See also PhlebotinumAnalogy. May pop up while giving TheTalk. Compare LaymansTerms. We're pretty familiar with it here on TVTropes, Wiki/TVTropes, due to RealityIsUnrealistic.
2nd May '17 5:04:05 PM billybobfred
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*** "Glass is a supercooled liquid." No, it's not. Glass is, well, a ''glass'', which is a state of matter that doesn't fit comfortably into the solid/liquid/gas trichotomy (though to the extent that it does, at ordinary temperatures it is much more accurately described as an amorphous solid than a "supercooled liquid"). See "geology" below for another example of "we're calling this a liquid though it's really not."

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*** "Glass is a supercooled liquid." No, it's not. Glass is, well, a ''glass'', ''[[ShapedLikeItself glass]]'', which is a state of matter that doesn't fit comfortably into the solid/liquid/gas trichotomy (though to the extent that it does, at ordinary temperatures it is much more accurately described as an amorphous solid than a "supercooled liquid"). See "geology" below for another example of "we're calling this a liquid though it's really not."
20th Apr '17 6:01:03 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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*** Still other times, facts are fudged to make history seem nicer, or at least more clear-cut, than it really was. Historical figures' misdeeds are toned down or in some cases played up in order to create the appearance of clear [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade heroes]] and [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade villains]] who, in real life, were usually more morally gray. Often this ties in with propaganda, but sometimes it's just intended to avoid having to answer tough questions. After all, no one wants to have to explain something like the Trail of Tears to a 5-year-old.

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*** Still other times, facts are fudged to make history seem nicer, or at least more clear-cut, clear-cut than it really was. Historical figures' misdeeds are toned down or in some cases played up in order to create the appearance of clear [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade heroes]] and [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade villains]] who, in real life, were usually more was, with morally gray. gray individuals and groups receiving {{Historical Hero Upgrade}}s and {{Historical Villain Upgrade}}s. Often this ties in with propaganda, but sometimes it's just intended to avoid having to answer tough questions. After questions -- after all, no one wants to have to explain something like the Trail of Tears to a 5-year-old.5-year-old. Or it just makes for an easier story to understand.
20th Apr '17 5:52:15 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBaronMunchausen'' subverts this in the scene with the King and Queen of the Moon, who have [[LosingYourHead detachable heads]]. At one point, the Queen's disembodied head begins making suggestive noises and expressions, prompting the Baron to awkwardly tell his Kid Sidekick that the King is tickling her feet in bed. Turns out [[GRatedSex the King is literally tickling the Queen's feet in bed]].

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* ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBaronMunchausen'' subverts this in the scene with the King and Queen of the Moon, who have [[LosingYourHead detachable heads]]. At one point, the Queen's disembodied head begins making suggestive noises and expressions, prompting the Baron to awkwardly tell his Kid Sidekick KidSidekick that the King is tickling her feet in bed. Turns out [[GRatedSex the King is literally tickling the Queen's feet in bed]].
15th Apr '17 6:02:40 AM DaibhidC
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* One thread on the ''TabletopGame/MutantsAndMasterminds'' messageboards portrayed ''TabletopGame/FreedomCity'''s Daedalus as strongly disapproving of these, ever since he warned his son that if he flew too close to the sun his wings would melt, and Icarus found that, if anything, the higher he got the ''colder'' it became, so obviously it was perfectly safe...
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3rd Apr '17 12:05:57 AM VVK
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* In "The Matrix as Metaphysics", philosopher David Chalmers argues that people unknowingly trapped in a LotusEaterMachine [[MindScrew wouldn't necessarily be wrong in most of their beliefs about the world, because 'we're'' not said to be wrong either even though most of what we believe is only lies-to-children.]] If we're not totally mistaken in thinking there are real, solid objects around us, when they're really made up of atoms made up of weird quantum stuff -- then why would people thinking they're interacting with real objects be wrong just because those objects are at the bottom parts of a simulation? Sure there is something they don't know about the ultimate constituency of the objects they're interacting with, but is that different from how people in the past didn't know about atoms and quanta and how solid objects are mostly empty space? Of course, it depends on the details; if, for example, the people in the LotusEaterMachine had only recently been put there and used to live outside it, they'd be wrong in thinking the objects they see are real in the same way as what they experienced before. But if they'd always been there, the simulation would in some sense be what they meant by "real".

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* In "The Matrix as Metaphysics", philosopher David Chalmers argues that people unknowingly trapped in a LotusEaterMachine or other simulation [[MindScrew wouldn't necessarily be wrong in most of their beliefs about the world, because 'we're'' because]] ''[[MindScrew we're]]'' [[MindScrew not said to be wrong either even though most of what we believe is only lies-to-children.]] If we're not totally mistaken in thinking there are real, solid objects around us, when they're really made up of atoms made up of weird quantum stuff -- then why would people thinking they're interacting with real objects be wrong just because those objects are at the bottom parts of a simulation? Sure there is something they don't know about the ultimate constituency of the objects they're interacting with, but is that different from how people in the past didn't know about atoms and quanta and how solid objects are mostly empty space? Of course, it depends on the details; if, for example, the people in the LotusEaterMachine simulation had only recently been put there and used to live outside it, they'd be wrong in thinking the objects they see are real in the same way as what they experienced before. But if they'd always been there, the simulation would in some sense be what they meant by "real".
2nd Apr '17 11:54:20 PM VVK
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* In "The Matrix as Metaphysics", philosopher David Chalmers argues that people unknowingly trapped in a LotusEaterMachine [[MindScrew wouldn't necessarily be wrong in most of their beliefs about the world, because 'we're'' not said to be wrong either even though most of what we believe is only lies-to-children.]] If we're not totally mistaken in thinking there are real, solid objects around us, when they're really made up of atoms made up of weird quantum stuff -- then why would people thinking they're interacting with real objects be wrong just because those objects are at the bottom parts of a simulation? Sure there is something they don't know about the ultimate constituency of the objects they're interacting with, but is that different from how people in the past didn't know about atoms and quanta and how solid objects are mostly empty space? Of course, it depends on the details; if, for example, the people in the LotusEaterMachine had only recently been put there and used to live outside it, they'd be wrong in thinking the objects they see are real in the same way as what they experienced before. But if they'd always been there, the simulation would in some sense be what they meant by "real".
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