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4th Jun '17 8:48:14 AM nombretomado
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See also PhlebotinumAnalogy. May pop up while giving TheTalk. Compare LaymansTerms. We're pretty familiar with it here on TVTropes, due to RealityIsUnrealistic.

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See also PhlebotinumAnalogy. May pop up while giving TheTalk. Compare LaymansTerms. We're pretty familiar with it here on TVTropes, Wiki/TVTropes, due to RealityIsUnrealistic.
2nd May '17 5:04:05 PM billybobfred
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*** "Glass is a supercooled liquid." No, it's not. Glass is, well, a ''glass'', which is a state of matter that doesn't fit comfortably into the solid/liquid/gas trichotomy (though to the extent that it does, at ordinary temperatures it is much more accurately described as an amorphous solid than a "supercooled liquid"). See "geology" below for another example of "we're calling this a liquid though it's really not."

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*** "Glass is a supercooled liquid." No, it's not. Glass is, well, a ''glass'', ''[[ShapedLikeItself glass]]'', which is a state of matter that doesn't fit comfortably into the solid/liquid/gas trichotomy (though to the extent that it does, at ordinary temperatures it is much more accurately described as an amorphous solid than a "supercooled liquid"). See "geology" below for another example of "we're calling this a liquid though it's really not."
20th Apr '17 6:01:03 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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*** Still other times, facts are fudged to make history seem nicer, or at least more clear-cut, than it really was. Historical figures' misdeeds are toned down or in some cases played up in order to create the appearance of clear [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade heroes]] and [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade villains]] who, in real life, were usually more morally gray. Often this ties in with propaganda, but sometimes it's just intended to avoid having to answer tough questions. After all, no one wants to have to explain something like the Trail of Tears to a 5-year-old.

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*** Still other times, facts are fudged to make history seem nicer, or at least more clear-cut, clear-cut than it really was. Historical figures' misdeeds are toned down or in some cases played up in order to create the appearance of clear [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade heroes]] and [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade villains]] who, in real life, were usually more was, with morally gray. gray individuals and groups receiving {{Historical Hero Upgrade}}s and {{Historical Villain Upgrade}}s. Often this ties in with propaganda, but sometimes it's just intended to avoid having to answer tough questions. After questions -- after all, no one wants to have to explain something like the Trail of Tears to a 5-year-old.5-year-old. Or it just makes for an easier story to understand.
20th Apr '17 5:52:15 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBaronMunchausen'' subverts this in the scene with the King and Queen of the Moon, who have [[LosingYourHead detachable heads]]. At one point, the Queen's disembodied head begins making suggestive noises and expressions, prompting the Baron to awkwardly tell his Kid Sidekick that the King is tickling her feet in bed. Turns out [[GRatedSex the King is literally tickling the Queen's feet in bed]].

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* ''Film/TheAdventuresOfBaronMunchausen'' subverts this in the scene with the King and Queen of the Moon, who have [[LosingYourHead detachable heads]]. At one point, the Queen's disembodied head begins making suggestive noises and expressions, prompting the Baron to awkwardly tell his Kid Sidekick KidSidekick that the King is tickling her feet in bed. Turns out [[GRatedSex the King is literally tickling the Queen's feet in bed]].
15th Apr '17 6:02:40 AM DaibhidC
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* One thread on the ''TabletopGame/MutantsAndMasterminds'' messageboards portrayed ''TabletopGame/FreedomCity'''s Daedalus as strongly disapproving of these, ever since he warned his son that if he flew too close to the sun his wings would melt, and Icarus found that, if anything, the higher he got the ''colder'' it became, so obviously it was perfectly safe...
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3rd Apr '17 12:05:57 AM VVK
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* In "The Matrix as Metaphysics", philosopher David Chalmers argues that people unknowingly trapped in a LotusEaterMachine [[MindScrew wouldn't necessarily be wrong in most of their beliefs about the world, because 'we're'' not said to be wrong either even though most of what we believe is only lies-to-children.]] If we're not totally mistaken in thinking there are real, solid objects around us, when they're really made up of atoms made up of weird quantum stuff -- then why would people thinking they're interacting with real objects be wrong just because those objects are at the bottom parts of a simulation? Sure there is something they don't know about the ultimate constituency of the objects they're interacting with, but is that different from how people in the past didn't know about atoms and quanta and how solid objects are mostly empty space? Of course, it depends on the details; if, for example, the people in the LotusEaterMachine had only recently been put there and used to live outside it, they'd be wrong in thinking the objects they see are real in the same way as what they experienced before. But if they'd always been there, the simulation would in some sense be what they meant by "real".

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* In "The Matrix as Metaphysics", philosopher David Chalmers argues that people unknowingly trapped in a LotusEaterMachine or other simulation [[MindScrew wouldn't necessarily be wrong in most of their beliefs about the world, because 'we're'' because]] ''[[MindScrew we're]]'' [[MindScrew not said to be wrong either even though most of what we believe is only lies-to-children.]] If we're not totally mistaken in thinking there are real, solid objects around us, when they're really made up of atoms made up of weird quantum stuff -- then why would people thinking they're interacting with real objects be wrong just because those objects are at the bottom parts of a simulation? Sure there is something they don't know about the ultimate constituency of the objects they're interacting with, but is that different from how people in the past didn't know about atoms and quanta and how solid objects are mostly empty space? Of course, it depends on the details; if, for example, the people in the LotusEaterMachine simulation had only recently been put there and used to live outside it, they'd be wrong in thinking the objects they see are real in the same way as what they experienced before. But if they'd always been there, the simulation would in some sense be what they meant by "real".
2nd Apr '17 11:54:20 PM VVK
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* In "The Matrix as Metaphysics", philosopher David Chalmers argues that people unknowingly trapped in a LotusEaterMachine [[MindScrew wouldn't necessarily be wrong in most of their beliefs about the world, because 'we're'' not said to be wrong either even though most of what we believe is only lies-to-children.]] If we're not totally mistaken in thinking there are real, solid objects around us, when they're really made up of atoms made up of weird quantum stuff -- then why would people thinking they're interacting with real objects be wrong just because those objects are at the bottom parts of a simulation? Sure there is something they don't know about the ultimate constituency of the objects they're interacting with, but is that different from how people in the past didn't know about atoms and quanta and how solid objects are mostly empty space? Of course, it depends on the details; if, for example, the people in the LotusEaterMachine had only recently been put there and used to live outside it, they'd be wrong in thinking the objects they see are real in the same way as what they experienced before. But if they'd always been there, the simulation would in some sense be what they meant by "real".
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2nd Apr '17 11:37:28 PM VVK
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** Also, ''The Museum of Dad Trolling'', in [[http://xkcd.com/826/ strip 826.]]
** The very common analogy that gravity is like objects "pressing down" on a sheet, shown very well in [[http://xkcd.com/895/ strip 895.]]
*** And subverted in [[http://xkcd.com/1158/ strip 1158]].
** The proper way to handle people telling lies to children? [[http://xkcd.com/1255/ Tell bigger lies.]]

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** Also, ''The Museum of Dad Trolling'', in [[http://xkcd.com/826/ strip 826.]]
** The very common analogy that gravity is like objects "pressing down" on a sheet, shown very well in [[http://xkcd.com/895/ strip 895.]]
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]] And subverted in [[http://xkcd.com/1158/ strip 1158]].
** The proper way to handle people telling lies to children? [[http://xkcd.com/1255/ Tell bigger lies.]]
1158]].
2nd Apr '17 11:32:16 PM VVK
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** [[https://xkcd.com/1818/ 1818]] has someone explaining a child that the sky looks blue because air is blue and reflects blue light, same as any other material. (The kid doesn't get any FridgeLogic about how come air doesn't look blue.) When another adult tries to explain it's more complicated, the first retorts that there's a more complicated mechanism behind everything, so why do you have to go all quantum with this one? The other adult concedes the point -- but less so when the first one starts saying planes are kept up by lots of little birds.

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** [[https://xkcd.com/1818/ 1818]] 1818: Rayleigh Scattering]] has someone explaining a child that the sky looks blue because air is blue and reflects blue light, same as any other material. (The kid doesn't get any FridgeLogic about how come air doesn't look blue.) When another adult tries to explain it's more complicated, the first retorts that there's a more complicated mechanism behind everything, every colour, so why do you have to go all quantum with this one? The other adult concedes the point -- but less so when the first one starts saying planes are kept up by lots of little birds.
2nd Apr '17 11:26:54 PM VVK
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** [[https://xkcd.com/1818/ 1818]] has someone explaining a child that the sky looks blue because air is blue. When another adult tries to explain it's more complicated, the first retorts that there's a more complicated mechanism behind everything, so why do you have to go all quantum with this one? The other adult concedes the point -- but less so when the first one starts saying planes are kept up by lots of little birds. The kid doesn't ask any questions about how come air doesn't look blue.

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** [[https://xkcd.com/1818/ 1818]] has someone explaining a child that the sky looks blue because air is blue. blue and reflects blue light, same as any other material. (The kid doesn't get any FridgeLogic about how come air doesn't look blue.) When another adult tries to explain it's more complicated, the first retorts that there's a more complicated mechanism behind everything, so why do you have to go all quantum with this one? The other adult concedes the point -- but less so when the first one starts saying planes are kept up by lots of little birds. The kid doesn't ask any questions about how come air doesn't look blue.birds.
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