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12th Aug '16 6:35:50 AM wusch
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*** Or simply the fact that in a history class you are told that this is how the things happend. As there are never all informations on a single event described in history avaible, one can only say how it //most likely// happend.



*** Or simply the fact that in a history class you are told that this is how the things happend. As there are never all informations on a single event described in history are avaible, one can only say how it //most likely// happend.
12th Aug '16 6:34:10 AM wusch
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*** Or simply the fact that in a history class you are told that this is how the things happend. As there are never all informations on a single event described in history are avaible, one can only say how it //most likely// happend.
28th Jul '16 1:20:06 AM PaulA
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* In the Creator/JudyBlume book ''Starring Sally J. Freedman as Herself'', Sally asks her mother how babies are made. Her mother mumbles something about how the husband plants a seed in the wife; ten-year-old Sally wants more details, so Mrs. Freedman buys her a book about it. Later on, her unmarried teenage neighbour gets pregnant and Sally asks how that's possible, since the book told her sex was something only married people did.

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* In the Creator/JudyBlume book ''Starring Sally J. Freedman as Herself'', ''Literature/StarringSallyJFreedmanAsHerself'', Sally asks her mother how babies are made. Her mother mumbles something about how the husband plants a seed in the wife; ten-year-old Sally wants more details, so Mrs. Freedman buys her a book about it. Later on, her unmarried teenage neighbour gets pregnant and Sally asks how that's possible, since the book told her sex was something only married people did.
8th May '16 9:02:32 PM intastiel
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* In ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', Demonreach the GeniusLoci commiserates with Bob the knowledge spirit over the fact that Bob has to explain [[spoiler:the temporal ripples of a potential future catastrophe so terrible that its ''possibility'' is damaging the present]] using the analogy of a thrown rock. Harry Dresden, who had thought he had a fairly solid grasp of magical theory, is [[ImStandingRightHere a bit put out]].



* Atheists view religion as such and vice versa.


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* RealityIsOutToLunch in ''Webcomic/AwfulHospital'', so the beleaguered protagonist has to grope at understanding the infinite weirdness of the [[{{Multiverse}} Perception Range]] with ''children's books'' as references. Justified in that a being's subjective experience -- including the [[MindScrew content of some books]] -- is limited to what they're able and willing to perceive, and Fern has to start from Square One, but it leads to situations like Fern being knocked unconscious by a [[http://www.bogleech.com/awfulhospital/book1.html picture-book]] TomeOfEldritchLore that describes a {{reality warp|er}}ing EldritchAbomination in terms of a solipsistic undead cake.
28th Apr '16 7:36:25 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* This is a running gag with Calvin's Dad from ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'', as the page quote illustrates, but always taking it [[BlatantLies so far from reality]] it can hardly count as helpful. He also explains the workings of a lightbulb and vacuum cleaner as "[[AWizardDidIt magic]]".

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* ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'':
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This is a running gag with Calvin's Dad from ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'', from as the page quote illustrates, but always taking it [[BlatantLies so far from reality]] it can hardly count as helpful. He also explains the workings of a lightbulb and vacuum cleaner as "[[AWizardDidIt magic]]".



** ''Both'' of Calvin's parents had some pretty unique ways to get him to eat his dinner. Early in the strip, when he wouldn't eat, his dad told him "that's a good idea, Calvin, because it's a plate of toxic waste that will turn you into a mutant if you eat it." He couldn't finish fast enough. While his mom objected to it that time, she did it herself in later strips, telling him that stuffed peppers were "monkey heads", that the rice in soup was maggots, and that her casserole was "spider pie". (Unfortunately, while such methods convinced Calvin to eat, they made his dad [[LostMyAppetite lose his appetite]].)



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1st Mar '16 3:34:11 PM merotoker
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* The ''ComicBook/{{Chick Tract|s}}'' "Fairy Tales?" is an extended rant against this type of thing, stating that even if it seems harmless, a lie is a lie, and it will still hurt. Of course, this being Jack Chick, he makes this point in the most hyperbolic way possible...

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* The ''ComicBook/{{Chick Tract|s}}'' "Fairy Tales?" "[[http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1033/1033_01.asp?Store=True&C=C Fairy Tales?]]" is an extended rant against this type of thing, stating that even if it seems harmless, a lie is a lie, and it will still hurt. Of course, this being Jack Chick, he makes this point in the most hyperbolic way possible...



** The Fourth Doctor's education of Leela is pretty much entirely made up of this, since due to her extremely primitive background and absence of any education, even basic scientific principles seem like magic to her. It's bad enough when he's trying to explain to her what a robot is, so of course, when he's trying to explain genuinely mindbending SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology like how the TARDIS is BiggerOnTheInside, things quickly get absolutely nonsensical.

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** The Fourth Doctor's education of Leela is pretty much entirely made up of this, since due to her extremely primitive background and absence of any education, even basic scientific principles seem like magic to her. It's bad enough when he's trying to explain to her what a robot is, so of course, when he's trying to explain genuinely mindbending SufficientlyAdvancedTechnology MagicFromTechnology like how the TARDIS is BiggerOnTheInside, things quickly get absolutely nonsensical.



* ''[[VideoGame/DarkSeed Dark Seed II]]'' uses one as an odd plot point. Years ago, when Mike had nightmares of monsters coming out of his closet, his mother pretended to lock it. It's not locked. [[spoiler:It contains a portal to the Dark World]]. Yet Mike is [[YouShouldntKnowThisAlready incapable of opening it]] until someone reveals the deception to him. When confronted, his mother barely remembers it and can't believe he never figured it out.

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* ''[[VideoGame/DarkSeed Dark Seed II]]'' uses one as an odd plot point. Years ago, when Mike had nightmares of monsters coming out of his closet, his mother pretended to lock it. It's not locked. [[spoiler:It contains a portal to the Dark World]]. World.]] Yet Mike is [[YouShouldntKnowThisAlready incapable of opening it]] until someone reveals the deception to him. When confronted, his mother barely remembers it and can't believe he never figured it out.



* ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'' Most of the stuff Orel is told could fall under this category (Children's Crusades being successful due to their innocence, etc.).

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* ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'' ''WesternAnimation/MoralOrel'': Most of the stuff Orel is told could fall under this category (Children's Crusades being successful due to their innocence, etc.).



* Talking to minors about drugs; If you tell them the facts that drugs make you feel really good and that some are okay in moderation, they'd likely run off and do them instead of doing their schoolwork, but telling them that all drugs are evil and the same runs the risk of them sneakily trying one drug, surviving and enjoying it, then thinking that all drugs are fine and then doing a harder drug that ruins their lives/kills them. People's views on telling minors about drugs varies a lot, but most choose to exaggerate the dangers for the sake of having a sober child, which to some is a NecessaryWeasel. Not that this is an exaggeration to everyone; the view that all illegal drugs are ridiculously more dangerous than the legal ones (like alcohol) is still strongly present in culture, even though it's ''at best'' a lie-to-children. Unfortunately, it is also complicated by the fact that many drugs' side effects are only obvious in the long-term; while the deleterious effects of methamphetamine abuse and addiction to various opiates and sedatives are fairly obvious within the course of a relatively short period of time, long-term abuse of many drugs can cause brain damage, cancer, liver failure, kidney problems, heart attacks, strokes, and other medical problems... a decade or more down the line, and not in 100% of users. This not only makes it hard to gauge how bad a drug is for you in the now, but also means that long-term studies of those who regularly use a given drug are necessary to demonstrate problems -- a difficult thing to study when many drugs are illegal. Tobacco and alcohol are the two drugs with the most well-studied long-term impacts, and both are known to cause severe health problems in a significant fraction of their regular users.

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* Talking to minors about drugs; If you tell them the facts that drugs make you feel really good and that some are okay in moderation, they'd likely run off and do them instead of doing their schoolwork, but telling them that all drugs are evil and the same runs the risk of them sneakily trying one drug, surviving and enjoying it, then thinking that all drugs are fine and then doing a harder drug that ruins their lives/kills them. People's views on telling minors about drugs varies a lot, but most choose to [[ScareEmStraight exaggerate the dangers dangers]] for the sake of having a sober child, which to some is a NecessaryWeasel. Not that this is an exaggeration to everyone; the view that all illegal drugs are ridiculously more dangerous than the legal ones (like alcohol) is still strongly present in culture, even though it's ''at best'' a lie-to-children. Unfortunately, it is also complicated by the fact that many drugs' side effects are only obvious in the long-term; while the deleterious effects of methamphetamine abuse and addiction to various opiates and sedatives are fairly obvious within the course of a relatively short period of time, long-term abuse of many drugs can cause brain damage, cancer, liver failure, kidney problems, heart attacks, strokes, and other medical problems... a decade or more down the line, and not in 100% of users. This not only makes it hard to gauge how bad a drug is for you in the now, but also means that long-term studies of those who regularly use a given drug are necessary to demonstrate problems -- a difficult thing to study when many drugs are illegal. Tobacco and alcohol are the two drugs with the most well-studied long-term impacts, and both are known to cause severe health problems in a significant fraction of their regular users.



*** Children are taught over-simplified "facts", like "UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire was destroyed in 476 A.D. by the barbarian invasion". In fact, the Roman Empire in its classic form perished almost two centuries before that date, and was in the process of collapse even longer for various economical and demographic reasons much more complex than a single invasion. In fact, the eastern half of the empire continued on for another thousand years, only ending with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. And a last remnant, the Despotate of Epirus, made it to 1479. The UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire, which claimed to be a successor, lasted until 1806, while the "Third Rome" of TsaristRussia survived until 1917. Such was the impact of the Roman Empire on historical memory that nations were claiming to be Roman Empires millennia after the Empire fell.

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*** Children are taught over-simplified "facts", like "UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire was destroyed in 476 A.D. by the barbarian invasion". In fact, the Roman Empire in its classic form perished almost two centuries before that date, and was in the process of collapse even longer for various economical and demographic reasons much more complex than a single invasion. In fact, the eastern half of the empire continued on for another thousand years, only ending with the fall of Constantinople in 1453. And a last remnant, the Despotate of Epirus, made it to 1479. The UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire, which claimed to be a successor, lasted until 1806, while the "Third Rome" of TsaristRussia UsefulNotes/TsaristRussia survived until 1917. Such was the impact of the Roman Empire on historical memory that nations were claiming to be Roman Empires millennia after the Empire fell.



*** Still other times, facts are fudged to make history seem nicer, or at least more clear-cut, than it really was. Historical figures' misdeeds are toned down or in some cases played up in order to create the appearance of clear heroes and villains who, in real life, were usually more morally gray. Often this ties in with propaganda, but sometimes it's just intended to avoid having to answer tough questions. After all, no one wants to have to explain something like the Trail of Tears to a 5-year-old.

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*** Still other times, facts are fudged to make history seem nicer, or at least more clear-cut, than it really was. Historical figures' misdeeds are toned down or in some cases played up in order to create the appearance of clear heroes [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade heroes]] and villains [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade villains]] who, in real life, were usually more morally gray. Often this ties in with propaganda, but sometimes it's just intended to avoid having to answer tough questions. After all, no one wants to have to explain something like the Trail of Tears to a 5-year-old.
12th Feb '16 2:51:26 PM TheDiego908
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*** "Spherical cows", which is a humorous term used in physics circles to describe the tendency to boil a complex thing down to its most basic components, in order to make calculations easier. The result is answers that are mathematically correct but inapplicable to reality. Comes from a joke where a farmer asked his physicist friend to come up with a way to make his milk cows more productive; the physicist indeed found a way but lamented that it only worked in the case of spherical cows floating in a perfect vacuum.

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*** "Spherical cows", which is a humorous term used in physics circles to describe the tendency to boil a complex thing down to its most basic components, in order to make calculations easier. The result is answers that are mathematically [[MathematiciansAnswer correct but inapplicable to reality.reality]]. Comes from a joke where a farmer asked his physicist friend to come up with a way to make his milk cows more productive; the physicist indeed found a way but lamented that it only worked in the case of spherical cows floating in a perfect vacuum.
30th Jan '16 10:11:05 PM AtticusOmundson
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-->--''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes''

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28th Jan '16 7:01:17 AM FF32
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* In ''{{Webcomic/Homestuck}}'', Jake English's grandmother tells him that she chose that last name because it was the name of her EvilStepmother's ex-husband, on the basis that Jake was too young to understand that it was actually the name of a powerful demon that said EvilStepmother feared and obeyed.

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* In ''{{Webcomic/Homestuck}}'', Jake English's grandmother tells him that she chose that last name because it was the name of her EvilStepmother's WickedStepmother's ex-husband, on the basis that Jake was too young to understand that it was actually the name of a powerful demon that said EvilStepmother WickedStepmother feared and obeyed.
15th Jan '16 11:55:13 AM Anddrix
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*** UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton's laws of motion. While UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein's theory of relativity surpasses them scale-wise, they are still taught in high schools and lower-division college classes because they produce almost-identical results as long as you're dealing with masses and velocities in a familiar range, as opposed to things as small as atoms or things moving hundreds of kilometers per second. In fact, Newton's laws are such an accurate approximation over this range that our measurements can't tell the difference between the Newtonian and Einsteinian answers. And many high school teachers either don't understand Einstein's mechanics themselves, or if they do, [[ViewersAreMorons feel that their students won't]]. It's only when you extrapolate to extremes (size, mass, velocity, etc.) that Newtonian physics start to break down and you start to observe Einsteinian rules. Indeed, in the real world, people use Newtonian mechanics vastly more often than they use relativity, just because they're much easier to calculate and give the same answers unless you're dealing with microscopic objects or things on a planetary scale -- satellites are one of the few everyday objects that people deal with (thanks to satellite television and GPS) which actually have to take relativity into account.

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*** UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton's laws of motion. While UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein's theory of relativity surpasses them scale-wise, they are still taught in high schools and lower-division college classes because they produce almost-identical results as long as you're dealing with masses and velocities in a familiar range, as opposed to things as small as atoms or things moving hundreds of kilometers per second. In fact, Newton's laws are such an accurate approximation over this range that our measurements can't tell the difference between the Newtonian and Einsteinian answers. And many high school teachers either don't understand Einstein's mechanics themselves, or if they do, [[ViewersAreMorons feel that their students won't]].won't. It's only when you extrapolate to extremes (size, mass, velocity, etc.) that Newtonian physics start to break down and you start to observe Einsteinian rules. Indeed, in the real world, people use Newtonian mechanics vastly more often than they use relativity, just because they're much easier to calculate and give the same answers unless you're dealing with microscopic objects or things on a planetary scale -- satellites are one of the few everyday objects that people deal with (thanks to satellite television and GPS) which actually have to take relativity into account.
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