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16th Mar '17 8:40:55 AM Mineboot45
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By the time of ''Chronophantasma'', the third game in the core series, plot elements from manga and drama CDs were so numerous that the "Teach Me, Ms. Litchi" series was dedicated to explaining plot threads from all of it, plus the previous two games. The fifth episode is loaded with such abstract and unconventional plot elements that ''Makoto is driven insane'' and left catatonic for the entirety of the sixth (and final) episode. By the end of the sixth episode, the same fate befalls Noel as well.\\

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By the time of ''Chronophantasma'', the third game in the core series, plot elements from manga and drama CDs [=CDs=] were so numerous that the "Teach Me, Ms. Litchi" series was dedicated to explaining plot threads from all of it, plus the previous two games. The fifth episode is loaded with such abstract and unconventional plot elements that ''Makoto is driven insane'' and left catatonic for the entirety of the sixth (and final) episode. By the end of the sixth episode, the same fate befalls Noel as well.\\
9th Mar '17 8:28:25 PM CerotechOmega
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By the time of ''Chronophantasma'', the third game in the core series, plot elements from manga and drama CDs were so numerous that the "Teach Me, Ms. Litchi" series was dedicated to explaining plot threads from all of it, plus the previous two games. The fifth episode is loaded with such abstract and unconventional plot elements that ''Makoto is driven insane'' and left catatonic for the entirety of the sixth (and final) episode. By the end of the sixth episode, the same fate befalls Noel as well.\\
5th Mar '17 9:37:16 AM SniperJ
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** ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is known for its ridiculous number of plot threads, some of them [[AscendedFanon suggested by the readers]]. Incredibly enough, Hussie (despite his usually terrible memory) can keep track of many of these plot points, so maybe he has a handle on it after all.[[note]]Unfortunately, due to RealLifeWritesThePlot, Homestuck's ending [[AbortedArc didn't tie things up anywhere near as neatly as Problem Sleuth did.[[/note]] As he puts it:

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** ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is known for its ridiculous number of plot threads, some of them [[AscendedFanon suggested by the readers]]. Incredibly enough, Hussie (despite his usually terrible memory) can keep track of many of these plot points, so maybe he has a handle on it after all.[[note]]Unfortunately, due to RealLifeWritesThePlot, Homestuck's ending [[AbortedArc didn't tie things up anywhere near as neatly as Problem Sleuth did.did]].[[/note]] As he puts it:
5th Mar '17 9:36:49 AM SniperJ
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** ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is known for its ridiculous number of plot threads, some of them [[AscendedFanon suggested by the readers]]. Incredibly enough, Hussie (despite his usually terrible memory) can keep track of many of these plot points, so maybe he has a handle on it after all. As he puts it:

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** ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' is known for its ridiculous number of plot threads, some of them [[AscendedFanon suggested by the readers]]. Incredibly enough, Hussie (despite his usually terrible memory) can keep track of many of these plot points, so maybe he has a handle on it after all. [[note]]Unfortunately, due to RealLifeWritesThePlot, Homestuck's ending [[AbortedArc didn't tie things up anywhere near as neatly as Problem Sleuth did.[[/note]] As he puts it:
25th Jan '17 11:36:54 PM Backstraw
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* ''TheCosmere'' and the works that take place in it has one large kudzu plot based around [[spoiler: the Shards]]. Individual series in it, in particular ''TheStormlightArchive'' and ''Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy''. also qualify, though BrandonSanderson is so skilled with communicating his ideas and concepts that readers seldom realize how complex it all is. It is helps that Sanderson has mapped and planned everything out thoroughly, completely averting TheChrisCarterEffect.
19th Jan '17 2:54:01 PM w1lliam
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* ''Manga/OnePiece'', as it is a ridiculously LongRunner at over 700 chapters with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters -- and thus a ton of plot threads that will take a long time to come together.

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* ''Manga/OnePiece'', as it is a ridiculously LongRunner at over 700 800 chapters with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters -- and thus a ton of plot threads that will take a long time to come together.
13th Jan '17 1:09:56 PM rafi
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* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'' suffers from this. It introduces many plot elements out of nowhere. Many of these also stop appearing just as suddenly as they were introduced. Good examples are the Dark Ocean, Blackwargreymon, the Daemon Corps and the sudden twist that [[spoiler: Myotismon from the first season]] was behind all the events of the series.
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' invokes its infamous MindScrew in this fashion. For the first half of the show, the plot ''seems'' straightforward. Then "Adam" is introduced, and from there it keeps getting worse. Good luck if you know what the hell anyone's talking about by the last episodes.
* ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'' does this for both of its seasons, then leaves most of it completely unexplained. Which is probably [[TropesAreNotBad for the best]], making it into [[RiddleForTheAges its own form of riddle]].



* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is so complex that it basically requires multiple viewings to be able to get everything.
* ''Manga/YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' introduces a number of different elements without any intention of addressing their nature, including a literal anti-ChekhovsGun. However, it's sufficiently well executed that it adds to the nature of the story.
* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' ran into this problem due to the last-minute changes and rushed production of its second season. Fans were frustrated by all the things left unexplained, including the nature of Suzaku's superhuman abilities, C.C.'s life before the show started, and Kallen's backstory (and her dead brother who might not be dead after all).

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* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is so complex that it basically requires multiple viewings to be able to get everything.
* ''Manga/YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' introduces a number
''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' and ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' both fall into this, though they tie up most of different elements without any intention of addressing their nature, including loose ends. This is in part because their storytelling makes a literal anti-ChekhovsGun. However, it's sufficiently well executed that it adds to [[AnachronicOrder mockery of chronology]] and in part because they are both adaptations of ongoing light novels (though the nature extra episodes clear up some lingering questions). They're still positive examples of the story.
* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' ran into
this problem due to the last-minute changes and rushed production of its second season. Fans were frustrated by all the things left unexplained, including the nature of Suzaku's superhuman abilities, C.C.'s life before the show started, and Kallen's backstory (and her dead brother who might not be dead after all).trope.



* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' suffered from this in the end. Most things were left unanswered, like the location of the SDF-3 and what the heck "Shadows" were. ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' resolved most of them but left many more plot threads hanging because it was an attempted launch of a new series in the franchise that's now basically in DevelopmentHell.
* ''Anime/RahXephon'' suffers a wee bit from this. The nature of the Mulians, the secret conspiracy, the nature of the world, why the main character is TheChosenOne and exactly what the chosen one ''does'' aren't particularly well-explained. TheMovie helps tidy up a few things, but it is an AlternateContinuity. {{Fanon}} resolves the rest, as seen [[http://www.khantazi.org/Rec/Anime/MuTimeline.html here]] ''(major spoiler warning)''.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' has a tendency to introduce plot points that slip into RedHerring twists: the Abandoned Dorm in season 1, the war between the Light of Destruction and the Duel Monsters in season 2, Yubel being stuck in Judai's head in season 3, and the entire ending of season 4 all give hints of being explored and resolved at a later date, but none of them actually are. Season 4's problem could be attributed to the main character's voice actor suddenly leaving, which left a rushed production and half a season.
* ''Manga/{{Negima}}'' gained several levels of complexity once the Magic World arc started, the massive BackStory started to come into play, and minor characters kept picking up additional subplots. It's generally kept under control until the series' finale, where most of the subplots are either left hanging or explained away in a single panel, several important questions about the main MythArc are never addressed, and the protagonist's main motivation is resolved entirely off-panel.
* This is the primary complaint directed towards ''Anime/{{Karas}}''. It doesn't help that a minor (but important) character speaks in un-translated Japanese subtitles.
* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' introduced various plots in the span of a few chapters, and few of them get explained for a while, if ever. The mangaka juggles various parallel plot points, giving each only a few panels of attention before moving to the next, leading you to reread chapters just to keep a handle on what is going on. It [[TropesAreNotBad works somewhat better]] in the manga than in the anime, but only ''just''.
* ''Manga/AoiHana'', by the same author as ''Wandering Son'', is a jumble of romantic entanglements, intrigues, and problems with family and friends. Several plot points have been either ignored or cut off abruptly. The author is also not above setting up important story arcs just to halt them and concentrate on a seemingly irrelevant subplot.
* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' and ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' both fall into this, though they tie up most of their loose ends. This is in part because their storytelling makes a [[AnachronicOrder mockery of chronology]] and in part because they are both adaptations of ongoing light novels (though the extra episodes clear up some lingering questions). They're still positive examples of this trope.
* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has shown more and more evidence of falling into this category as the series progressed. However, the 4th Ninja War seems to be wrapping up all unresolved plot threads.
* A common criticism ''VisualNovel/OokamiKakushi'' faces is that while the main mystery of the series is solved, several others -- such as [[IllGirl Kaori's]] mysterious illness and [[spoiler: her eventual role as a White Wolf Kanon]] -- are left to the imagination of those who did not read the VisualNovel.


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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' ran into this problem due to the last-minute changes and rushed production of its second season. Fans were frustrated by all the things left unexplained, including the nature of Suzaku's superhuman abilities, C.C.'s life before the show started, and Kallen's backstory (and her dead brother who might not be dead after all).
* ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'' does this for both of its seasons, then leaves most of it completely unexplained. Which is probably [[TropesAreNotBad for the best]], making it into [[RiddleForTheAges its own form of riddle]].
* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'' suffers from this. It introduces many plot elements out of nowhere. Many of these also stop appearing just as suddenly as they were introduced. Good examples are the Dark Ocean, Blackwargreymon, the Daemon Corps and the sudden twist that [[spoiler: Myotismon from the first season]] was behind all the events of the series.
* This is the primary complaint directed towards ''Anime/{{Karas}}''. It doesn't help that a minor (but important) character speaks in un-translated Japanese subtitles.
* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is so complex that it basically requires multiple viewings to be able to get everything.
* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has shown more and more evidence of falling into this category as the series progressed. However, the 4th Ninja War seems to be wrapping up all unresolved plot threads.
* ''Manga/{{Negima}}'' gained several levels of complexity once the Magic World arc started, the massive BackStory started to come into play, and minor characters kept picking up additional subplots. It's generally kept under control until the series' finale, where most of the subplots are either left hanging or explained away in a single panel, several important questions about the main MythArc are never addressed, and the protagonist's main motivation is resolved entirely off-panel.
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' invokes its infamous MindScrew in this fashion. For the first half of the show, the plot ''seems'' straightforward. Then "Adam" is introduced, and from there it keeps getting worse. Good luck if you know what the hell anyone's talking about by the last episodes.


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* A common criticism ''VisualNovel/OokamiKakushi'' faces is that while the main mystery of the series is solved, several others -- such as [[IllGirl Kaori's]] mysterious illness and [[spoiler: her eventual role as a White Wolf Kanon]] -- are left to the imagination of those who did not read the VisualNovel.
* ''Anime/RahXephon'' suffers a wee bit from this. The nature of the Mulians, the secret conspiracy, the nature of the world, why the main character is TheChosenOne and exactly what the chosen one ''does'' aren't particularly well-explained. TheMovie helps tidy up a few things, but it is an AlternateContinuity. {{Fanon}} resolves the rest, as seen [[http://www.khantazi.org/Rec/Anime/MuTimeline.html here]] ''(major spoiler warning)''.
* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' suffered from this in the end. Most things were left unanswered, like the location of the SDF-3 and what the heck "Shadows" were. ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' resolved most of them but left many more plot threads hanging because it was an attempted launch of a new series in the franchise that's now basically in DevelopmentHell.
* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' introduced various plots in the span of a few chapters, and few of them get explained for a while, if ever. The mangaka juggles various parallel plot points, giving each only a few panels of attention before moving to the next, leading you to reread chapters just to keep a handle on what is going on. It [[TropesAreNotBad works somewhat better]] in the manga than in the anime, but only ''just''.
** ''Manga/AoiHana'', by the same author as ''Wandering Son'', is a jumble of romantic entanglements, intrigues, and problems with family and friends. Several plot points have been either ignored or cut off abruptly. The author is also not above setting up important story arcs just to halt them and concentrate on a seemingly irrelevant subplot.
* ''Manga/YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' introduces a number of different elements without any intention of addressing their nature, including a literal anti-ChekhovsGun. However, it's sufficiently well executed that it adds to the nature of the story.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' has a tendency to introduce plot points that slip into RedHerring twists: the Abandoned Dorm in season 1, the war between the Light of Destruction and the Duel Monsters in season 2, Yubel being stuck in Judai's head in season 3, and the entire ending of season 4 all give hints of being explored and resolved at a later date, but none of them actually are. Season 4's problem could be attributed to the main character's voice actor suddenly leaving, which left a rushed production and half a season.
9th Jan '17 11:57:37 PM MarqFJA
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* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02 suffers from this. It introduces many plot elements out of nowhere. Many of these also stop appearing just as suddenly as they were introduced. Good examples are the Dark Ocean, Blackwargreymon, the Daemon Corps and the sudden twist that [[spoiler: Myotismon from the first season]] was behind all the events of the series.

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* ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02 ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'' suffers from this. It introduces many plot elements out of nowhere. Many of these also stop appearing just as suddenly as they were introduced. Good examples are the Dark Ocean, Blackwargreymon, the Daemon Corps and the sudden twist that [[spoiler: Myotismon from the first season]] was behind all the events of the series.
8th Jan '17 6:49:45 AM Sapphirea2
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** There are some plot threads still left dangling from the old series, including the "Doctor is Merlin" thread, the war between the Time Lords and the Great Vampires, what ''really'' happened in the 51st century, and the Doctor's birth name. It took six seasons just to reveal the name of the Doctor's ''race''.
** The Cartmel Masterplan was an AbortedArc attempting to explain many old plot points, but it just left further questions unresolved (which were eventually explained in the ExpandedUniverse).
** Showrunner Creator/RussellTDavies tied up many of the loose ends he left, but there's still a lot unexplained from his tenure, including the exact means by which Rose came back from a parallel dimension, and pretty much anything to do with her in "Turn Left".
** Creator/StevenMoffat's era quickly gained a reputation for this sort of thing. For instance, Series 5 left all sorts of dangling plot threads, like who the Silence is, who [[spoiler:took control of the TARDIS]] in "The Pandorica Opens", who River Song is, and why [[spoiler:the TARDIS blowing up would destroy the Universe]] (which even the Doctor admits he's not sure about). He resolved almost all of these in Series 6, only to raise even ''more'' questions. This pattern has continued throughout his tenure, with each series bringing in more outlandish situations, some of which will likely never be answered (such as how [[spoiler:if "Missy" is really the Master, how did he survive his confrontation with Rassilon in "The End of Time" and regenerate? Chalk that one up to JokerImmunity]]). Sometimes he'll take the opportunity to resolve something that's been dangling for several series out of the blue (like in the ChristmasEpisode after Series 9, where he explained [[spoiler:the circumstances of River's last night with the Doctor on Darillium]], which had been hanging since Series 4).

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** There are some plot threads still left dangling from the old series, including the "Doctor is Merlin" thread, thread (Season 26), the war between the Time Lords and the Great Vampires, what ''really'' Vampires (Season 18), and whatever really happened in the 51st century, and the Doctor's birth name.century. It took six seasons just to reveal the name of the Doctor's ''race''.
** The Cartmel Masterplan was an AbortedArc attempting to explain many old classic series plot points, but it just left further questions unresolved (which unresolved. They were eventually explained in the ExpandedUniverse).
ExpandedUniverse, but much of that material isn't canon thanks in part to the revival series.
** Showrunner Creator/RussellTDavies tied up many of the loose ends he left, left but there's still a lot unexplained from his tenure, including the exact means by which Rose came back from a parallel dimension, and pretty much anything to do with her in "Turn Left".
** Creator/StevenMoffat's era quickly gained a reputation for this sort of thing. For instance, Series 5 left all sorts of dangling plot threads, like who the Silence is, who [[spoiler:took control of the TARDIS]] in "The Pandorica Opens", who River Song is, and why [[spoiler:the TARDIS blowing up would destroy the Universe]] (which even the Doctor admits he's not sure about). He resolved almost all of these in Series 6, only to raise even ''more'' questions. This pattern has continued throughout his tenure, with each series bringing in more outlandish situations, some of which will likely never be answered (such as how [[spoiler:if "Missy" is really the Master, how did he survive his confrontation with Rassilon how, in Series 8, [[spoiler: The Master survived "The End of Time" and regenerate? Chalk that one up regenerated into Missy -- aside from Joker Immunity]], or how, post-Series 9, [[spoiler: Clara Oswald returns to JokerImmunity]]). Sometimes her final death]]). ''Sometimes'' he'll take the opportunity to resolve something that's been dangling for several series out of the blue (like blue, like in the ChristmasEpisode after Series post-Series 9, where he explained [[spoiler:the circumstances of River's last night with the Doctor on Darillium]], which had been hanging since Series 4).4!



** Creator/MarkGatiss pokes fun at ''Doctor Who'''s tendency to do this in the comedy sketch "The Pitch of Fear", where he imagines someone trying to pitch the show to a BBC executive in the 60s -- having already planned out ''everything'' that happens from that point on, totally unaware of how absurd it sounds when you realize much of it was WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants in RealLife. Just the description of all the different Doctors is ridiculous.

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** Creator/MarkGatiss pokes fun at ''Doctor Who'''s tendency to do this in the comedy sketch "The Pitch of Fear", where he imagines someone trying to pitch the show to a BBC executive in the 60s 1960s -- having already planned out ''everything'' that happens from that point on, totally unaware of how absurd it sounds when you realize much of it was WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants in RealLife. Just the description of all the different Doctors is ridiculous.


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** At this point, there are some '''huge''' questions the fandom has by and large accepted will/can '''never''' be answered, despite the occasional hints/teases in the new series. These include the identities and fates of family members of the Doctor (his first wife in particular) besides Susan, the definitive reason he ran away from Gallifrey in the first place (he usually claims it's boredom, but "Heaven Sent" has him saying it's [[spoiler: fear of...what?]]), and his birth name.
1st Jan '17 6:48:13 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/AmericanGothic'' has a number of dangling plot threads, most of which can be attributed to it being ScrewedByTheNetwork and CutShort; the show never got to address whether Buck will ever be stopped, or whether Caleb will turn evil, or whose side Selena is really on. But there were some real head-scratchers, such as whether Sutpen in "Damned If You Don't" is [[spoiler:really a ghost Buck summoned]], whether Buck [[spoiler:[[DrivenToSuicide drove his girlfriend to suicide]]]], or whether Selena would ever reconcile with her father -- and what happened to him in the first place. That last one is particularly distressing, as the episode in question was [[ExecutiveMeddling never aired]], so very few people even know it exists.

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* ''Series/AmericanGothic'' ''Series/AmericanGothic1995'' has a number of dangling plot threads, most of which can be attributed to it being ScrewedByTheNetwork and CutShort; the show never got to address whether Buck will ever be stopped, or whether Caleb will turn evil, or whose side Selena is really on. But there were some real head-scratchers, such as whether Sutpen in "Damned If You Don't" is [[spoiler:really a ghost Buck summoned]], whether Buck [[spoiler:[[DrivenToSuicide drove his girlfriend to suicide]]]], or whether Selena would ever reconcile with her father -- and what happened to him in the first place. That last one is particularly distressing, as the episode in question was [[ExecutiveMeddling never aired]], so very few people even know it exists.
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