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14th May '16 5:05:38 PM SSJMagus
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** Although Claremont is deservedly notorious for this, the ''Comicbook/XMen'' line's Kudzu Plot actually became far worse after he left. Notorious dropped plots include Wolverine devolving into a noseless dog creature, Cannonball being revealed as a immortal "High-Lord", and Shatterstar being a comatose boy in a mental institution the whole time (as well as his and Rictor's relationship, which was finally confirmed ten years later.) The [[{{egregious}} nadir]] of this trend was probably the Onslaught Saga, in which dozens of hints were dropped about the villain's identity before anyone (meaning the ''writers'') had bothered figuring out who he actually was.

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** Although Claremont is deservedly notorious for this, this (essentially he planned out ''Uncanny X-Men'' as if he would be the writer forever, sometimes laying out plot threads that he didn't intend to come back to for ''over a decade''), the ''Comicbook/XMen'' line's Kudzu Plot actually became far worse after he left. Notorious dropped plots include Wolverine devolving into a noseless dog creature, Cannonball being revealed as a immortal "High-Lord", and Shatterstar being a comatose boy in a mental institution the whole time (as well as his and Rictor's relationship, which was finally confirmed ten years later.) The [[{{egregious}} nadir]] of this trend was probably the Onslaught Saga, in which dozens of hints were dropped about the villain's identity before anyone (meaning the ''writers'') had bothered figuring out who he actually was.



* ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'': It started up as just another ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' plot, but when it became the only decent comic book seller for Marvel comics during its run time in the middle of TheNineties, Marvel decided to keep it going beyond sanity. Editors and writers kept coming and going and each one had its own idea on how the plot should twist. It took about two years to kind of finish off the saga.

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* ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'': It started up as just another ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' plot, but when it became the only decent comic book seller for Marvel comics during its run time in the middle of TheNineties, Marvel decided to keep it going beyond sanity. Editors and writers kept coming and going and each one had its own idea on how the plot should twist.twist, including constant flip-flopping over which character was the real Spidey and which was the clone. It took about two years to kind of finish off the saga.
20th Apr '16 12:31:33 PM Yumil
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** Byakuya mentions that Ichigo is the ''second'' person to have seen his bankai's ultimate attack, something he only uses when he's vowed to kill someone.

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** Byakuya mentions that Ichigo is the ''second'' person to have seen his bankai's ultimate attack, something he only uses when he's vowed to kill someone.
16th Apr '16 9:06:55 PM ThatFanwiththeGlasses
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** Series 8's story arc was largely self-contained and answered the dangling question from 7B of who "the woman in the shop" was who bought the Doctor and Clara Oswald together -- it was [[spoiler: the Master, who regenerated into "Missy"]]. But this left the dangling question of how [[spoiler: he escaped/survived his confrontation with Rassilon in "The End of Time" and regenerated]], a question ''still'' not answered as of the end of Series 9.

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** Series 8's story arc was largely self-contained and answered the dangling question from 7B of who "the woman in the shop" was who bought the Doctor and Clara Oswald together -- it was [[spoiler: the Master, who regenerated into "Missy"]]. But this left the dangling question of how [[spoiler: he escaped/survived his confrontation with Rassilon in "The End of Time" and regenerated]], a question ''still'' not answered as of the end of Series 9.9, [[JokerImmunity and likely never will be]].
12th Apr '16 2:37:47 AM Gravityman
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* The ''Franchise/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' series is infamous for never revealing any answers without raising many other questions in the process. It doesn't help that throughout the entire series (especially the first two games), the player is directly told almost nothing about the plot, and the only hints of any sort of deeper story are only revealed through well-hidden StoryBreadcrumbs. The games' very limited level contact with non-hostile characters and the AnachronicOrder employed by the series have left many, many questions about who certain characters are or may be connected to each other completely unanswered.
31st Mar '16 3:22:32 PM dasuberkaiser
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* ''ShadowOfIsraphel'' is looking this way. We still have no idea who Israphel is, except that he's apparently [[spoiler: Reverend_John's son]], who's supposed to have been dead for 5 years, and yet has been [[spoiler: haunting Old_Peculiar]] for much longer than that. Oh, and he has 2 graves. The greatest threat to the world is SAND. Except that the Sand is actually [[spoiler: a prison for an army of giant evil robots]]. What? And we still have no idea what the facilities in the Nether are, who N-Comm Systems are and how they are [[spoiler: from the future]], what [[spoiler: the Sentinels]] actually are, what the Turtle God was, how Shiplord_Hubert ended up in the Desert, who the Templar Kings are, and a whole lot more. [[CutShort We may never know]].

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* ''ShadowOfIsraphel'' ''[[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries Shadow Of Israphel]]'' is looking this way. We still have no idea who Israphel is, except that he's apparently [[spoiler: Reverend_John's son]], who's supposed to have been dead for 5 years, and yet has been [[spoiler: haunting Old_Peculiar]] for much longer than that. Oh, and he has 2 graves. The greatest threat to the world is SAND. Except that the Sand is actually [[spoiler: a prison for an army of giant evil robots]]. What? And we still have no idea what the facilities in the Nether are, who N-Comm Systems are and how they are [[spoiler: from the future]], what [[spoiler: the Sentinels]] actually are, what the Turtle God was, how Shiplord_Hubert ended up in the Desert, who the Templar Kings are, and a whole lot more. [[CutShort We may never know]].
9th Mar '16 9:54:21 AM MegaMarioMan
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* {{DROD}} The creator actually stated that an unessesarily complicated story is exactly what he was going for.

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* {{DROD}} ''VideoGame/DeadlyRoomsOfDeath'': The creator actually stated that an unessesarily unnecessarily complicated story is exactly what he was going for.
2nd Mar '16 7:04:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/StargateSG1'' suffers from this as well. What ever happened to that hastily-put-together human kid "Charlie" from the Re'tu episode? Everyone's just assuming that the Tollan were wiped out by Tanith's forces (despite it being highly improbable that a single Goa'uld mothership, no matter how advanced, would be able to prevent ''everyone'' on a spacefaring planet from escaping), but they never went back and conclusively proved it. Did General Landry and [[spoiler:his daughter]] Dr. Lam ever put their differences aside? Is freaking ''Athena'' still free on Earth and running a company? Whatever happened to Daniel's grandfather? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Are there actually fish in Jack's pond? Did Jack ever get a dog?]] And what exactly is a Furling anyway?

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* ''Series/StargateSG1'' suffers from this as well. well.
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What ever happened to that hastily-put-together human kid "Charlie" from the Re'tu episode? Everyone's just assuming that the Tollan were wiped out by Tanith's forces (despite it being highly improbable that a single Goa'uld mothership, no matter how advanced, would be able to prevent ''everyone'' on a spacefaring planet from escaping), but they never went back and conclusively proved it. Did General Landry and [[spoiler:his daughter]] Dr. Lam ever put their differences aside? Is freaking ''Athena'' still free on Earth and running a company? Whatever happened to Daniel's grandfather? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Are there actually fish in Jack's pond? Did Jack ever get a dog?]] And what exactly is a Furling anyway?



*** Marduk appeared in another episode as a Goa'uld, but there's no indication that the writers for that episode where aware of his connection to the 1st Season aliens.



** Should be noted that some of this is intentional; the writers and producers want to leave some mysteries even after the show ends.
* ''Series/{{Merlin 2008}}'' is headed this way, though only time will tell if the writers can resolve everything they've raised thus far. This is especially true of the complex but still murky BackStory of Camelot's first generation, namely what the heck went down between Uther, Igraine, Nimueh, and Gaius when Arthur was conceived. Apparently Uther approached Nimueh (brought to the court by Gaius) to cast a spell to help his wife Igraine conceive, resulting in her death, Nimueh's banishment, and Uther's crusade against magical creatures. Every character who lived through those events tells a slightly different version of what really happened, but whether this is a variation of TheRashomon, or whether there's something more that the writers haven't told us yet, remains to be seen.

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** Should be noted that some of this is intentional; the writers and producers want to leave some mysteries even after the show ends.
* ''Series/{{Merlin 2008}}'' is headed this way, though only time will tell if the writers can resolve everything they've raised thus far. far.
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This is especially true of the complex but still murky BackStory of Camelot's first generation, namely what the heck went down between Uther, Igraine, Nimueh, and Gaius when Arthur was conceived. Apparently Uther approached Nimueh (brought to the court by Gaius) to cast a spell to help his wife Igraine conceive, resulting in her death, Nimueh's banishment, and Uther's crusade against magical creatures. Every character who lived through those events tells a slightly different version of what really happened, but whether this is a variation of TheRashomon, or whether there's something more that the writers haven't told us yet, remains to be seen.



** The recording of Talia is kinda covered in the episode where the character left the show. Garibaldi remembers hearing about the recording, and runs off to get it from Kosh. WordOfGod is that the recording contained [[spoiler: proof that Psi Corps had implanted a new personality inside Talia's head]], which they were able to use to blackmail Psi Corps into not divulging anything Talia knew about LaResistance.



* Season 2 of ''{{Revenge}}'' quickly devolved into an incomprehensible mess involving a NebulousEvilOrganization whose ultimate goals were never clear, nor exactly how much or little they were involved in the various plot points going on. Notably, this actually led to the show's creator being fired, and season 3 starts with a mass burning of the whole thing, abruptly revealing that the entire group had been arrested between seasons.

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* Season 2 of ''{{Revenge}}'' ''Series/{{Revenge}}'' quickly devolved into an incomprehensible mess involving a NebulousEvilOrganization whose ultimate goals were never clear, nor exactly how much or little they were involved in the various plot points going on. Notably, this actually led to the show's creator being fired, and season 3 starts with a mass burning of the whole thing, abruptly revealing that the entire group had been arrested between seasons.



** [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/12/27/legend-zelda-timeline-nintendo/ Thanks to Nintendo, we now have the official timeline of the Legend of Zelda games.]]
*** Which, true to the trope, has possibly [[VoodooShark created more questions than it answered]]. Particularly, it includes the existance of a ''third'' timeline branching off from ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'', in which [[TheBadGuyWins Link was defeated and Ganondorf received the full Triforce]], leading into ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast A Link to the Past]]''.
2nd Mar '16 7:01:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* Done intentionally with ''Film/TheBigLebowski''. The film's directors, the Coen Brothers, stated that they wanted "a hopelessly complicated plot that's ultimately unimportant." Several characters are introduced out of nowhere, have nothing to do with the overall narrative, and disappear just as quickly as they showed up. Even some characters that are crucial to the story, like Jackie Treehorn and Bunnie Lebowski, only show up for a handful of scenes. Even though protagonist The Dude figures out everything in the end, it still means nothing, as the BigBad [[KarmaHoudini gets away scot-free]], and the one character who dies in the movie does so for reasons completely unrelated to the plot.
* When the first ''Film/SawI'' movie ended, only a few plot threads stuck around, but nothing worth hurting over. However, once Lionsgate bought the rights to the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' series, ExecutiveMeddling hit ''hard'', and forced the writers to make an endless string of subplots and character histories to interconnect with the overall storyline, mainly to create one SequelHook after another (to make sense of the ensuing chaos, no matter how increasingly illogical it got). ''Film/SawII'' pulled this off very well and ''[[Film/SawIII III]]'' was somewhat cohesive too, but after that, the writers got crazy. ''Film/SawIV'' was almost ''Series/{{Lost}}''-like with its MindScrew chronology and how it complements ''Film/SawIII'', and ''Film/SawV'' was an WholeEpisodeFlashback that went back as far as scenes from ''Film/SawII'' to explain how one character was involved. At least ''Film/SawVI'' neatly wrapped up most of the previous subplots from ''IV'' and ''V'', and the [[Film/Saw3D seventh/final film]] wrapped up almost everything in its conclusion.
* ''Film/TheRoom'' is ''extremely'' guilty of this. There are several subplots thrown in, but none of them are ever resolved. Examples include Lisa's mother offhandedly mentioning she has breast cancer, a character's drug-related debt which ends in a violent confrontation on a rooftop, and, in the most infamous scene, all of the male characters playing football in tuxedos. None of these subplots are ever mentioned again nor are they given any sort of closure or impact the plot in any way.
* PlayedForLaughs in ''[[WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film For Theatres]]'' - during the second half of the movie, particularly during the last 10 minutes, a pile-up of revelations concerning the characters' origins occurs to the point where the only one left remotely excited about anything in the end is Meatwad. To clarify, it's revealed (or claimed) that:

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* Done intentionally with ''Film/TheBigLebowski''. The film's directors, the Coen Brothers, stated that they wanted "a hopelessly complicated plot that's ultimately unimportant." Several characters are introduced out of nowhere, have nothing to do with the overall narrative, and disappear just as quickly as they showed up. Even some characters that are crucial to the story, like Jackie Treehorn and Bunnie Lebowski, only show up for a handful of scenes. Even though protagonist The Dude figures out everything in the end, it still means nothing, as the BigBad [[KarmaHoudini gets away scot-free]], and the one character who dies in the movie does so for reasons completely unrelated to the plot.
* When the first ''Film/SawI'' movie ended, only a few plot threads stuck around, but nothing worth hurting over. However, once Lionsgate bought the rights to the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' series, ExecutiveMeddling hit ''hard'', and forced the writers to make an endless string of subplots and character histories to interconnect with the overall storyline, mainly to create one SequelHook after another (to make sense of the ensuing chaos, no matter how increasingly illogical it got). ''Film/SawII'' pulled this off very well and ''[[Film/SawIII III]]'' was somewhat cohesive too, but after that, the writers got crazy. ''Film/SawIV'' was almost ''Series/{{Lost}}''-like with its MindScrew chronology and how it complements ''Film/SawIII'', and ''Film/SawV'' was an WholeEpisodeFlashback that went back as far as scenes from ''Film/SawII'' to explain how one character was involved. At least ''Film/SawVI'' neatly wrapped up most of the previous subplots from ''IV'' and ''V'', and the [[Film/Saw3D seventh/final film]] wrapped up almost everything in its conclusion.
* ''Film/TheRoom'' is ''extremely'' guilty of this. There are several subplots thrown in, but none of them are ever resolved. Examples include Lisa's mother offhandedly mentioning she has breast cancer, a character's drug-related debt which ends in a violent confrontation on a rooftop, and, in the most infamous scene, all of the male characters playing football in tuxedos. None of these subplots are ever mentioned again nor are they given any sort of closure or impact the plot in any way.
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''[[WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film For Theatres]]'' ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForceColonMovieFilmForTheaters'' - during the second half of the movie, particularly during the last 10 minutes, a pile-up of revelations concerning the characters' origins occurs to the point where the only one left remotely excited about anything in the end is Meatwad. To clarify, it's revealed (or claimed) that:


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* Done intentionally with ''Film/TheBigLebowski''. The film's directors, the Coen Brothers, stated that they wanted "a hopelessly complicated plot that's ultimately unimportant." Several characters are introduced out of nowhere, have nothing to do with the overall narrative, and disappear just as quickly as they showed up. Even some characters that are crucial to the story, like Jackie Treehorn and Bunnie Lebowski, only show up for a handful of scenes. Even though protagonist The Dude figures out everything in the end, it still means nothing, as the BigBad [[KarmaHoudini gets away scot-free]], and the one character who dies in the movie does so for reasons completely unrelated to the plot.
* When the first ''Film/SawI'' movie ended, only a few plot threads stuck around, but nothing worth hurting over. However, once Lionsgate bought the rights to the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' series, ExecutiveMeddling hit ''hard'', and forced the writers to make an endless string of subplots and character histories to interconnect with the overall storyline, mainly to create one SequelHook after another (to make sense of the ensuing chaos, no matter how increasingly illogical it got). ''Film/SawII'' pulled this off very well and ''[[Film/SawIII III]]'' was somewhat cohesive too, but after that, the writers got crazy. ''Film/SawIV'' was almost ''Series/{{Lost}}''-like with its MindScrew chronology and how it complements ''Film/SawIII'', and ''Film/SawV'' was an WholeEpisodeFlashback that went back as far as scenes from ''Film/SawII'' to explain how one character was involved. At least ''Film/SawVI'' neatly wrapped up most of the previous subplots from ''IV'' and ''V'', and the [[Film/Saw3D seventh/final film]] wrapped up almost everything in its conclusion.
* ''Film/TheRoom'' is ''extremely'' guilty of this. There are several subplots thrown in, but none of them are ever resolved. Examples include Lisa's mother offhandedly mentioning she has breast cancer, a character's drug-related debt which ends in a violent confrontation on a rooftop, and, in the most infamous scene, all of the male characters playing football in tuxedos. None of these subplots are ever mentioned again nor are they given any sort of closure or impact the plot in any way.
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18th Feb '16 5:22:58 PM Averagemoe
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* {{DROD}} The creator actually stated that an unessesarily complicated story is exactly what he was going for.
16th Feb '16 8:21:07 AM Sapphirea2
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** The 2013 ChristmasSpecial works to answer quite a few threads as a way to wrap up both Matt Smith's tenure as well as the original limit of 12 regenerations.

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** The 2013 ChristmasSpecial works to answer quite a few threads from Series 5-7 as a way to wrap up both Matt Smith's tenure tenure, as well as removing the original limit of 12 regenerations.regenerations for the Doctor.
** Series 8's story arc was largely self-contained and answered the dangling question from 7B of who "the woman in the shop" was who bought the Doctor and Clara Oswald together -- it was [[spoiler: the Master, who regenerated into "Missy"]]. But this left the dangling question of how [[spoiler: he escaped/survived his confrontation with Rassilon in "The End of Time" and regenerated]], a question ''still'' not answered as of the end of Series 9.
** Series 9 ended the Coming of the Hybrid story arc with a ''ton'' of unanswered questions and unresolved plot points: [[spoiler: Is there actually a Hybrid? If so, who, and have they served their role in the fate of the universe yet? How did Gallifrey escape the pocket universe? How did Ashildr get to know the Time Lords, outlast other immortals, and know of ''and'' recall Missy's plot to keep the Doctor and Clara together? What will become of the exiled Rassilon and High Council? Will the Time Lords pursue the Doctor now that he's a fugitive from justice again? What will become of Clara and Ashildr before they return to Gallifrey to fulfill Clara's death? Who is the woman at the barn who knows the Doctor from childhood? Is the Doctor pureblood Gallifreyan? Who is the Minister of War mentioned in "Before the Flood"? What became of Missy post-"Witch's Familiar"?]] Whew! On the other hand, the post-season ChristmasEpisode finally revealed [[spoiler: the circumstances of River Song's last night with the Doctor on Darillium]], which had been lingering since Series 4.
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