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19th Sep '16 6:49:54 PM MarcoPolo250
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* ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'', an attempt to turn away from the franchise's previous LighterAndSofter bent (which didn't sit well with fans), ran into this problem because it tried to introduce too many plot threads. It brings up conflict that makes no sense and is never resolved (such as Tails being upset that Sonic trusts Eggman more than him) and almost completely forgets to give screen time to the antagonists.

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* ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'', an attempt ** Similarly, ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'' attempted to turn away from the franchise's previous LighterAndSofter bent (which of previous games ([[BrokenBase which, par the course of the franchise, didn't sit well with fans), certain fans]]), but also ran into this problem because it tried to introduce too many plot threads. It brings up conflict that makes no sense and is never resolved Conflicts within the story (such as Tails being upset that Sonic trusts Eggman more than him) are never resolved and the game almost completely forgets to give some screen time to the new antagonists.
16th Sep '16 7:03:06 PM Vilui
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* ''Audioplay/BigFinishDoctorWho'': Every Creator/BigFinish plotline spawns sequels, prequels and spinoff series. These in turn may get their own spinoff series. Standalone arcs have prose sequels, PerspectiveFlip special releases (which aren't available from Creator/BigFinish at all), and links to other ''Series/DoctorWho'' media. The Doctor will merrily take a vacation in ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics locations, meet up with Franchise/IrisWildthyme, and reference future events from the new TV series -- which only serve as fuel for new plotlines. Every trilogy has [[TrilogyCreep at least four parts]], and villains or companions from the early 2000's have a tendency to return a decade later for an entirely new story. In short, every little piece of Creator/BigFinish is connected and constantly growing.

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* ''Audioplay/BigFinishDoctorWho'': Every Creator/BigFinish plotline spawns sequels, prequels and spinoff series. These in turn may get their own spinoff series. Standalone arcs have prose sequels, PerspectiveFlip special releases (which aren't available from Creator/BigFinish at all), and links to other ''Series/DoctorWho'' media. The Doctor will merrily take a vacation in ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics locations, meet up with Franchise/IrisWildthyme, and reference future events from the new TV series -- which only serve as fuel for new plotlines. Every trilogy has [[TrilogyCreep at least four parts]], and villains or companions from the early 2000's 2000s have a tendency to return a decade later for an entirely new story. In short, every little piece of Creator/BigFinish is connected and constantly growing.
16th Sep '16 6:28:30 AM AliceMacher
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* The last few story arcs of ''ComicBook/StrangersInParadise'' suffer from this, as Creator/AlanMoore originally planned a completely different ending but [[TooSoon decided to change it after 9/11]].

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* The last few story arcs of ''ComicBook/StrangersInParadise'' suffer from this, as Creator/AlanMoore Creator/TerryMoore originally planned a completely different ending but [[TooSoon decided to change it after 9/11]].
3rd Sep '16 4:13:27 PM GoldenSeals
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* ''ComicBook/XMen'': Creator/ChrisClaremont is famous in the comics community for the truly epic number of dangling plot threads he amassed as a writer. He basically planned out many of the stories thinking he would be in charge forever, and he took his sweet time getting to a resolution. The end result is that [[TheChrisCarterEffect fans got impatient and stopped reading the comics altogether.]] They even came up with a formula, dubbed the "Claremont coefficient", for a plotline's complexity: divive the number plot points introduced in an episode by the number of plot points resolved, and if the result is over 1 in most episodes, you have a Kudzu Plot.

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* ''ComicBook/XMen'': Creator/ChrisClaremont is famous in the comics community for the truly epic number of dangling plot threads he amassed as a writer. He basically planned out many of the stories thinking he would be in charge forever, and he took his sweet time getting to a resolution. The end result is that [[TheChrisCarterEffect fans got impatient and stopped reading the comics altogether.]] They even came up with a formula, dubbed the "Claremont coefficient", for a plotline's complexity: divive divide the number plot points introduced in an episode by the number of plot points resolved, and if the result is over 1 in most episodes, you have a Kudzu Plot.



* ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'' was basically killed by this. FourLinesAllWaiting was taken UpToEleven, resulting in a story so bizarre and convoluted that even the characters themselves would get frustrated trying to explain their situations to each other. It was so bad that when ''Comicbook/FinalCrisis'' itself came around, the writers agreed to LetUsNeverSpeakOfThisAgain, shunted off ''Countdown'' to CanonDiscontinuity, and left a ton of AbortedArcs hanging in almost every regular DC title.

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* ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'' was basically killed by this. FourLinesAllWaiting was taken UpToEleven, resulting in a story so bizarre and convoluted that even the characters themselves would get frustrated trying to explain their situations to each other. It was so bad that when ''Comicbook/FinalCrisis'' itself came around, the writers agreed to LetUsNeverSpeakOfThisAgain, shunted off ''Countdown'' to CanonDiscontinuity, and left a ton of AbortedArcs {{Aborted Arc}}s hanging in almost every regular DC title.



* ''Series/{{Lost}}''. There were twists that could possibly be thrown in to explain everything, but as the show got more and more fantastic these possibilities became [[EpilepticTrees fewer and crazier]]. By the finale, there were -- to quote ''Website/CollegeHumor'' -- some [[http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291 teeny-tiny loose ends yet to be tied up]].
* In ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** It took until season six to even learn the name of the Doctor's race. Some of the dangling plot threads that are still left from the old series include the "Doctor is Merlin" thread, the war of the Great Vampires and the Time Lords, and what, exactly, happens in the 51st century. What the flip is the Doctor's birth name anyway?
** The seemingly abandoned Cartmel Masterplan was an aborted attempt to explain a lot of old plot points (though it, like various other plot threads and references, has been followed up in the ExpandedUniverse).
** In "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End", a lot was tied up. However, Creator/RussellTDavies and many fans seemed to have been so caught up in Rose returning from a Parallel World that a lot about her return was never explained. There is the claim she was using a Dimension Cannon and the HandWave that she appeared in an alternate timeline and knew so much due to her world being slightly ahead. However a lot of her role in "Turn Left" is left unexplained, along with how she was able to appear on the TARDIS scanner, or a screen on the planet Midnight centuries into the future. It doesn't look like those will ever be explained.
** Similarly, the Creator/StevenMoffat era of ''Doctor Who'' seems to be turning into this. Series 5 leaves several major unanswered questions. What is the Silence? Who or what was the mysterious force that [[spoiler: took control of the TARDIS]] in "The Pandorica Opens", how did they do it, and where did that creepy voice come from? And why would [[spoiler: blowing up the TARDIS cause the destruction of the universe]] (which even the Doctor says is a good question)? And last but certainly not least, who is River Song?
** Series 6 answers the first of the above questions, but leaves the others hanging and raises several more: If [[spoiler: blowing up the TARDIS was the Silence's plan]], did they actually intend to [[spoiler: destroy the universe]]? If so, why? Why must the Question never be answered? Et cetera... At least ''most'' of the major questions about River were answered.
** The 2013 ChristmasSpecial works to answer quite a few threads from Series 5-7 as a way to wrap up both Matt Smith's tenure, as well as removing the original limit of 12 regenerations for the Doctor.
** Series 8's story arc was largely self-contained and answered the dangling question from 7B of who "the woman in the shop" was who bought the Doctor and Clara Oswald together -- it was [[spoiler: the Master, who regenerated into "Missy"]]. But this left the dangling question of how [[spoiler: he escaped/survived his confrontation with Rassilon in "The End of Time" and regenerated]], a question ''still'' not answered as of the end of Series 9, [[JokerImmunity and likely never will be]].
** Series 9 ended the Coming of the Hybrid story arc with a ''ton'' of unanswered questions and unresolved plot points: [[spoiler: Is there actually a Hybrid? If so, who, and have they served their role in the fate of the universe yet? How did Gallifrey escape the pocket universe? How did Ashildr get to know the Time Lords, outlast other immortals, and know of ''and'' recall Missy's plot to keep the Doctor and Clara together? What will become of the exiled Rassilon and High Council? Will the Time Lords pursue the Doctor now that he's a fugitive from justice again? What will become of Clara and Ashildr before they return to Gallifrey to fulfill Clara's death? Who is the woman at the barn who knows the Doctor from childhood? Is the Doctor pureblood Gallifreyan? Who is the Minister of War mentioned in "Before the Flood"? What became of Missy post-"Witch's Familiar"?]] Whew! On the other hand, the post-season ChristmasEpisode finally revealed [[spoiler: the circumstances of River Song's last night with the Doctor on Darillium]], which had been lingering since Series 4.
** The spinoff ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' has a massive Kudzu Plot at present. It constantly raises new questions about Captain Jack's origins and past (or should that be future... TimeTravel is confusing stuff, especially in the TimeyWimeyBall that is the Whoniverse...) not to mention all the minor unfollowed plot threads brought up throughout the show. What the flip is Jack's birth name anyway? What the hell were those things that took Jack's brother Gray? What is the mysterious "Storm" that the former leader of Torchwood 3 was talking about after he murdered the staff and killed himself? Is it something that already happened or something that's going to happen? Who is that creepy, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld seemingly immortal]] tarot card reading girl and when is she going to call in the favour Jack owes her? What the hell was Bilis Manger? When will Cell 114 strike?
** The huge amount of this in ''Doctor Who'' over its run was spoofed in the Mark Gatiss comedy sketch "The Pitch of Fear", which imagined someone trying to pitch the show to a BBC executive. The absurdity is that he's planned out ''everything'', including obvious WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants moments - for instance, he tells the executive that he's planned out that the first four Doctors will be a "crotchety old man", a "cosmic hobo", a "dashing dandy", and someone with "a mane of hair and a curious old-young face", that Jon Pertwee becomes available to play the Doctor in 1970 but they'll have to get rid of him before he's due to be Literature/WorzelGummidge, and that it's important to get the costume designs of the first four exactly right but after that "anything goes... jumpers, cricket whites, a clown's costume...", so long as, to preserve the mystery of the character, they [[WTHCostumingDepartment have red question marks put on them]].

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* ''Series/{{Lost}}''. There were ''Series/{{Lost}}'' had a huge number of bizarre twists that could possibly be thrown in and turns; some of them were designed to explain everything, things, but as the show got became more and more fantastic fantastic, these possibilities became [[EpilepticTrees fewer and crazier]]. By the finale, there were -- to quote ''Website/CollegeHumor'' -- some [[http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291 teeny-tiny loose ends yet to be tied up]].
* In ''Series/DoctorWho'':
''Series/DoctorWho'', being a LongRunner with a number of different showrunners with a penchant for this sort of thing, has long been victim to this:
** It took until season six to even learn the name of the Doctor's race. Some of the dangling There are some plot threads that are still left dangling from the old series include series, including the "Doctor is Merlin" thread, the war of between the Time Lords and the Great Vampires and the Time Lords, and what, exactly, happens Vampires, what ''really'' happened in the 51st century. What the flip is century, and the Doctor's birth name. It took six seasons just to reveal the name anyway?
of the Doctor's ''race''.
** The seemingly abandoned Cartmel Masterplan was an aborted attempt AbortedArc attempting to explain a lot of many old plot points (though it, like various other plot threads and references, has been followed up points, but it just left further questions unresolved (which were eventually explained in the ExpandedUniverse).
** In "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End", a lot was tied up. However, Showrunner Creator/RussellTDavies and tied up many fans seemed to have been so caught up in of the loose ends he left, but there's still a lot unexplained from his tenure, including the exact means by which Rose returning came back from a Parallel World that a lot about her return was never explained. There is the claim she was using a Dimension Cannon parallel dimension, and the HandWave that she appeared in an alternate timeline and knew so pretty much due anything to do with her world being slightly ahead. However a lot of her role in "Turn Left" is left unexplained, along with how she was able to appear on the TARDIS scanner, or a screen on the planet Midnight centuries into the future. It doesn't look like those will ever be explained.
Left".
** Similarly, the Creator/StevenMoffat Creator/StevenMoffat's era quickly gained a reputation for this sort of ''Doctor Who'' seems to be turning into this. thing. For instance, Series 5 leaves several major unanswered questions. What is left all sorts of dangling plot threads, like who the Silence? Who or what was the mysterious force that [[spoiler: took Silence is, who [[spoiler:took control of the TARDIS]] in "The Pandorica Opens", how did they do it, who River Song is, and where did that creepy voice come from? And why would [[spoiler: [[spoiler:the TARDIS blowing up would destroy the TARDIS cause the destruction of the universe]] Universe]] (which even the Doctor says is a good question)? And last but certainly admits he's not least, who is River Song?
**
sure about). He resolved almost all of these in Series 6 answers the first 6, only to raise even ''more'' questions. This pattern has continued throughout his tenure, with each series bringing in more outlandish situations, some of the above questions, but leaves the others hanging and raises several more: If [[spoiler: blowing up the TARDIS was the Silence's plan]], did they actually intend to [[spoiler: destroy the universe]]? If so, why? Why must the Question which will likely never be answered? Et cetera... At least ''most'' of the major questions about River were answered.
** The 2013 ChristmasSpecial works to answer quite a few threads from Series 5-7 as a way to wrap up both Matt Smith's tenure, as well as removing the original limit of 12 regenerations for the Doctor.
** Series 8's story arc was largely self-contained and
answered the dangling question from 7B of who "the woman in the shop" was who bought the Doctor and Clara Oswald together -- it was [[spoiler: (such as how [[spoiler:if "Missy" is really the Master, who regenerated into "Missy"]]. But this left the dangling question of how [[spoiler: did he escaped/survived survive his confrontation with Rassilon in "The End of Time" and regenerated]], a question ''still'' not answered as regenerate? Chalk that one up to JokerImmunity]]). Sometimes he'll take the opportunity to resolve something that's been dangling for several series out of the end of Series 9, [[JokerImmunity and likely never will be]].
** Series 9 ended the Coming of the Hybrid story arc with a ''ton'' of unanswered questions and unresolved plot points: [[spoiler: Is there actually a Hybrid? If so, who, and have they served their role
blue (like in the fate of the universe yet? How did Gallifrey escape the pocket universe? How did Ashildr get to know the Time Lords, outlast other immortals, and know of ''and'' recall Missy's plot to keep the Doctor and Clara together? What will become of the exiled Rassilon and High Council? Will the Time Lords pursue the Doctor now that he's a fugitive from justice again? What will become of Clara and Ashildr before they return to Gallifrey to fulfill Clara's death? Who is the woman at the barn who knows the Doctor from childhood? Is the Doctor pureblood Gallifreyan? Who is the Minister of War mentioned in "Before the Flood"? What became of Missy post-"Witch's Familiar"?]] Whew! On the other hand, the post-season ChristmasEpisode finally revealed [[spoiler: the after Series 9, where he explained [[spoiler:the circumstances of River Song's River's last night with the Doctor on Darillium]], which had been lingering hanging since Series 4.
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** The spinoff series ''Series/{{Torchwood}}'' has a massive Kudzu Plot at present. It constantly raises new questions about Captain Jack's origins and past (or should that be future... TimeTravel is confusing stuff, especially in the TimeyWimeyBall that is the Whoniverse...) not to mention all the minor unfollowed much better. It's raised a ton of strange, unanswered plot threads brought up throughout and characters (like the show. What the flip is Jack's birth name anyway? What the hell were those things that took Jack's brother Gray? What is the mysterious "Storm" that the former leader of Torchwood 3 was talking about after he murdered the staff and killed himself? Is it something that already happened or something that's going to happen? Who is that creepy, [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld seemingly possibly immortal]] tarot card reading girl and when is she going to call in the favour whom Jack owes her? What the hell was a favour, Bilis Manger? When will Manger, Cell 114 strike?
** The huge amount of
114, and this in guy "Storm" the former leader of Torchwood 3 mentioned [[HisNameIs before he killed himself]]). The TimeyWimeyBall adds more complications to the mix regarding Captain Jack's past (or maybe his future), which has all of its own unanswered questions.
** Creator/MarkGatiss pokes fun at
''Doctor Who'' over its run was spoofed Who'''s tendency to do this in the Mark Gatiss comedy sketch "The Pitch of Fear", which imagined where he imagines someone trying to pitch the show to a BBC executive. The absurdity is that he's executive in the 60s -- having already planned out ''everything'', including obvious ''everything'' that happens from that point on, totally unaware of how absurd it sounds when you realize much of it was WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants moments - for instance, he tells in RealLife. Just the executive that he's planned out that description of all the first four different Doctors will be a "crotchety old man", a "cosmic hobo", a "dashing dandy", and someone with "a mane of hair and a curious old-young face", that Jon Pertwee becomes available to play the Doctor in 1970 but they'll have to get rid of him before he's due to be Literature/WorzelGummidge, and that it's important to get the costume designs of the first four exactly right but after that "anything goes... jumpers, cricket whites, a clown's costume...", so long as, to preserve the mystery of the character, they [[WTHCostumingDepartment have red question marks put on them]].is ridiculous.



-->'''Sydney Newman''': Um. Er. ''({{Beat}})'' Twenty-six years.
* Since it was both ScrewedByTheNetwork and CutShort, most dangling plot threads in ''Series/AmericanGothic'' are of the 'and the cycle goes on' variety, where we never know in the end whether Buck will ever be stopped, whether Caleb will go evil, whose side Selena is really on, and so forth. But there a few genuine moments where an element was introduced, then never revisited again, leaving for some major head-scratchings. Examples: Was Sutpen of "Damned If You Don't" [[spoiler:really a ghost/spiritual summoning of Buck's, or not?]] Did Buck [[spoiler:[[DrivenToSuicide drive his girlfriend to suicide]], or not?]] Whatever happened to the fellow Merlyn was romancing when she came back to life? Will Dr. Matt ever [[spoiler:get free of the sanitarium?]] Whatever happened to Selena's father, and will he and she ever reconcile? (This last one is particularly distressing since, thanks to the episode in question [[ExecutiveMeddling never being aired]], very few people even know it exists.)
* Back to the 60s: ''Coronet Blue''. To wit: guy found with no memory except for the titular ArcWords, which never ended up resolving to anything since the show only ran a single season.
* The short-lived series ''Series/JohnDoe'' headed into this territory as well. CutShort after the first season, this show left off its Kudzu Plots before it even had much chance to even ''try'' to explain them...
* ''Series/{{Soap}}'' suffered from this, notably though it had a whole complex plot after the first episode. Creator Susan Harris had written the show as a five-season story arc before it began. When [[ScrewedByTheNetwork ABC opted to cancel the show after four seasons]], however, it ended on an episode full of cliffhangers, with several main characters facing seemingly imminent death and several plot threads left hanging.
** The show's spin-off, ''Series/{{Benson}}'', did at least somewhat clarify Jessica's fate.
* ''Series/StargateSG1'' suffers from this as well.
** What ever happened to that hastily-put-together human kid "Charlie" from the Re'tu episode? Everyone's just assuming that the Tollan were wiped out by Tanith's forces (despite it being highly improbable that a single Goa'uld mothership, no matter how advanced, would be able to prevent ''everyone'' on a spacefaring planet from escaping), but they never went back and conclusively proved it. Did General Landry and [[spoiler:his daughter]] Dr. Lam ever put their differences aside? Is freaking ''Athena'' still free on Earth and running a company? Whatever happened to Daniel's grandfather? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Are there actually fish in Jack's pond? Did Jack ever get a dog?]] And what exactly is a Furling anyway?
** And of course how long are they going to be able to keep the Stargate program a secret with the ''hundreds'' of service members who spend ''years'' offworld.
** Also the Meaning of Life Stuff from the first season episode "The Torment of Tauntalus" is probably the biggest unfired ChekhovsGun in the series's arsenal. It's a book written by the Four Races, written in a universal language that was DESIGNED to be easily decoded. It's briefly mentioned in the second season, but never again. This would be like an alien species finding the golden record in one of the Voyager probes and never figuring out how to listen to it, in spite of the obvious pictorial instructions on its jacket.
** Also there are some suggestions that Babylon was protected from the Goa'uld by an alien race. The alien in the first season episode "Fire and Water" asks the team if they're from the same planet as Babylon. Also the first appearance of the four-part super-weapon that Anubis puts together at the end of the sixth season is The Eye of Tiamat; Tiamat was actually the villain of Babylonian mythology, suggesting that Marduk and the other gods were aliens who fought the Goa'Uld. Again, this was never brought up again.

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-->'''Sydney Newman''': Um. Er.Er... ''({{Beat}})'' Twenty-six years.
* Since it was both ScrewedByTheNetwork and CutShort, most dangling plot threads in ''Series/AmericanGothic'' are has a number of dangling plot threads, most of which can be attributed to it being ScrewedByTheNetwork and CutShort; the 'and the cycle goes on' variety, where we show never know in the end got to address whether Buck will ever be stopped, or whether Caleb will go turn evil, or whose side Selena is really on, and so forth. on. But there a few genuine moments where an element was introduced, then never revisited again, leaving for were some major head-scratchings. Examples: Was real head-scratchers, such as whether Sutpen of in "Damned If You Don't" is [[spoiler:really a ghost/spiritual summoning of Buck's, or not?]] Did ghost Buck summoned]], whether Buck [[spoiler:[[DrivenToSuicide drive drove his girlfriend to suicide]], suicide]]]], or not?]] Whatever whether Selena would ever reconcile with her father -- and what happened to him in the fellow Merlyn was romancing when she came back to life? Will Dr. Matt ever [[spoiler:get free of the sanitarium?]] Whatever happened to Selena's father, and will he and she ever reconcile? (This first place. That last one is particularly distressing since, thanks to distressing, as the episode in question was [[ExecutiveMeddling never being aired]], so very few people even know it exists.)
exists.
* Back to the 60s: ''Coronet Blue''. To wit: ''Series/CoronetBlue'' was a 60s show about a guy found with [[LaserGuidedAmnesia no memory memory]] except for the titular ArcWords, which never ended up resolving to anything since the ArcWords. The show only ran for a single season.
season, and they never got to resolve anything.
* The short-lived series ''Series/JohnDoe'' headed into this territory as well. CutShort after the first season, this show left off its Kudzu Plots before it even had much a chance to even ''try'' try to explain them...
them.
* ''Series/{{Soap}}'' suffered from this, notably though this; it had a whole complex plot set up after just the first episode. Creator Susan Harris had written the show as a five-season story arc before it began. When [[ScrewedByTheNetwork ABC opted to cancel the show after four seasons]], however, it ended on an episode full of cliffhangers, with several main characters facing seemingly imminent death and several plot threads left hanging.
**
hanging. The show's spin-off, ''Series/{{Benson}}'', did at least somewhat clarify Jessica's fate.
* ''Series/StargateSG1'' suffers from this as well.
''Series/StargateSG1'':
** An overarching question that's never resolved is how long the characters can keep the Stargate program a secret, even after hundreds of service members have spent years off-world.
** The first season episode "The Torment of Tantalus" is the series' biggest unfired ChekhovsGun. It introduced a book written by the Four Races in an easily decodable universal language that purports to explain the meaning of life. It's briefly mentioned in the second season, but never again.
** Other dangling threads:
What ever happened to that hastily-put-together human kid "Charlie" from the Re'tu episode? Everyone's just assuming that Were the Tollan were ''really'' wiped out by Tanith's forces (despite it being highly forces, as improbable as that a single Goa'uld mothership, no matter how advanced, would be able to prevent ''everyone'' on a spacefaring planet from escaping), but they never went back and conclusively proved it. may sound? Did General Landry and [[spoiler:his daughter]] Dr. Lam ever put their differences aside? Is freaking ''Athena'' still free on Earth and running a company? Whatever happened to Daniel's grandfather? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Are there actually fish in Jack's pond? Did Jack ever get a dog?]] And what exactly is a Furling anyway?
** And of course how long are they going to be able to keep the Stargate program a secret with the ''hundreds'' of service members who spend ''years'' offworld.
** Also the Meaning of Life Stuff from the first season episode "The Torment of Tauntalus" is probably the biggest unfired ChekhovsGun in the series's arsenal. It's a book written by the Four Races, written in a universal language that was DESIGNED to be easily decoded. It's briefly mentioned in the second season, but never again. This would be like an alien species finding the golden record in one of the Voyager probes and never figuring out how to listen to it, in spite of the obvious pictorial instructions on its jacket.
** Also there are some suggestions that Babylon was protected from the Goa'uld by an alien race. The alien in the first season episode "Fire and Water" asks the team if they're from the same planet as Babylon. Also the first appearance of the four-part super-weapon that Anubis puts together at the end of the sixth season is The Eye of Tiamat; Tiamat was actually the villain of Babylonian mythology, suggesting that Marduk and the other gods were aliens who fought the Goa'Uld. Again, this was never brought up again.
anyway?



* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'', anyone? People and whole worldlines are MIA.

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* ''Series/TheFortyFourHundred'' did this. Probably intentional, as with an ensemble cast you never know which plot hooks you'll have the opportunity to follow up next. Did get pretty annoying, though, when the biggest teaser at the end of season 2 didn't show up till halfway through season 3.

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* ''Series/TheFortyFourHundred'' did this. Probably intentional, intentionally, as with an ensemble cast you never know which plot hooks you'll have the opportunity to follow up next. Did It did get pretty annoying, though, when the biggest teaser at the end of season 2 didn't show up till until halfway through season 3.



* Will Sir Schmoopy and Eluamous Nailo be able to [[RandomEncounter defeat the dangerous, non-optical illusion ogre?]] Will Sir Schmoopy [[BalefulPolymorph ever get his human body back?]] Will ''WebAnimation/UnforgottenRealms'' ever stick to a plot instead of [[LampshadeHanging introducing a lot of random storyline elements]] [[SelfDeprecation and never explaining them?]]
** This is as early as episode five and snowballs from there.

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* ''WebAnimation/UnforgottenRealms'': Will Sir Schmoopy and Eluamous Nailo be able to [[RandomEncounter defeat the dangerous, non-optical illusion ogre?]] Will Sir Schmoopy [[BalefulPolymorph ever get his human body back?]] Will ''WebAnimation/UnforgottenRealms'' the show ever stick to a plot instead of [[LampshadeHanging introducing a lot of random storyline elements]] [[SelfDeprecation and never explaining them?]]
**
them?]] This is starts as early as episode five and snowballs from there.



** ''Marble Hornets''' "heir" (as some call it) ''WebVideo/{{Everyman HYBRID}}'' has been accused of this, plus the fact it's spread over many websites (more than ''Marble Hornets''). This has led to a BrokenBase among the fandom.

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** ''Marble Hornets''' "heir" (as some call it) SpiritualSuccessor ''WebVideo/{{Everyman HYBRID}}'' has been accused of this, plus the fact this; it's even spread out over many websites (more than ''Marble Hornets''). This has led to a BrokenBase among the fandom.



[[folder:Toys]]
* While not too complex, all the plot threads in the ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' serials are definitely difficult to keep track of. During the course of the '08, '09 and '10 stories, they "advanced" as the following:
** War raged. The forces of good allied themselves with the evil Barraki (except for a rogue member) and Dark Hunters, but they had their own agendas: the Barraki re-formed their armies to take over the universe, while the leader of the Hunters discovered some strange viruses and formed a plan to, yes, take over the universe too, but not before killing his only friend, making ''his'' big reveal as a double agent completely pointless.
** Meanwhile, the leader of the good guys, Toa Helryx, trapped inside the head of the main villain (who himself ''was'' the universe at the time), decided to kill everyone, but suddenly a mass of random characters appeared (one of whom was dead-but-not-really and also wanted to take over the universe), but they got launched into space, then teleported to a place where they met their potential creator, a Great Being.
** Toa Lewa, after a series of body-swapping, got lost in the jungle, where a tribe of natives captured him. [[note]] By this time in the main story, the villain has ''already been killed'' and the ''universe destroyed'', so there go all the villain plots...[[/note]] Toa Kopaka wanted to find Lewa, but after discovering that the Toa Mahri had been enslaved by a godly mutant, found himself in a completely unrelated detective story with Toa Pohatu, and then, space travel.
** Another group of heroes has also been dispatched to locate the Great Beings, but fell victim to a different tribe of jungle-dwellers.
** Unrelated to all these events, Sahmad set out to find the one who killed his tribe, stumbled upon an age-old, dream-sucking shining ball of tentacles, after which his story '''finally''' got connected to the plot about the enslaving mutant. So far, Sahmad's is the only story to have been wrapped up.
** There is also Marendar, an artificial assassin, designed to kill all good guys, whose story didn't last beyond his introduction, thanks to all the other plots.
** Oh yeah, and Voporak stole the legendary Mask of Time to deliver it to the Shadowed One who formed a new evil allegiance with random villains. And this, people, is how the story was when Lego definitely stopped to post updates. Yes, all the above lines are how ''Bionicle'' '''ended'''.
** 2005 offered an earlier example. Keeping track of the stories detailed in the novels, comics, DVD movie and on-line clips was next to impossible, as most of them occupied the same timeframe instead of following each other in a linear fashion. Said movie was also an interquel to the previous one, and the comics contained a confusing bit of FlashbackWithinAFlashback ''within a flashback'' amongst a sea of pointless {{Filler}}.
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** The original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' had a tight script while subtly leaving a door open for sequels. The following title, ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', EXPLODED with triple-crosses, {{Xanatos Gambit}}s, fevered conspiracy theories, and individual cliffhangers for every character still left alive. The long-awaited ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'' (released three years later) flashed back to the [=1960s=] to expose the origins of this conspiracy, but wound up being (mostly) self-contained, leaving ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'' the dubious honor of explaining all these plot entanglements and twists with over 9 hours of cutscenes.

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** The original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' had a tight script while subtly leaving a door open for sequels. The following title, ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', EXPLODED ''exploded'' with triple-crosses, {{Xanatos Gambit}}s, fevered conspiracy theories, and individual cliffhangers for every character still left alive. The long-awaited ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'' (released three years later) flashed back to the [=1960s=] to expose the origins of this conspiracy, but wound up being (mostly) self-contained, leaving ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'' with the dubious honor of explaining all these plot entanglements and twists with over 9 hours of cutscenes.



* The ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' series has slowly become infamous for this. For new people, the original ''Kingdom Hearts'' had a very clear plot: monsters that come from the darkness of people's hearts who are battled by the current wielder of a giant key that cuts hearts, as he looks for his friends whom he lost. A bit weird, but clear. Then Organization XIII came in, a new enemy that raises some questions. These are answered in ''KHII''... by raising more questions. Many more. [[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8cPyvE2GTjOMzE4MTVlZTctMjE5Yi00YzAzLWJjZTAtZTllODY2OTc2MTMx/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 It all kept snowballing from there.]]

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* The ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' series has slowly become infamous for this. For new people, the The original ''Kingdom Hearts'' had a very clear plot: monsters that come are coming from the darkness of people's hearts who are battled by hearts, and the current wielder of a giant key that cuts hearts, as hearts has to fight them, while he looks for his friends whom he lost. A bit weird, but clear. Then came Organization XIII came in, XIII, a new enemy that raises some questions. These are answered in ''KHII''... ''KHII'' -- by raising ''many'' more questions. Many more.questions. [[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8cPyvE2GTjOMzE4MTVlZTctMjE5Yi00YzAzLWJjZTAtZTllODY2OTc2MTMx/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 It all kept snowballing from there.]]]] There's a whole ''web series'' on YouTube designed just to explain the games' plot. The writer has admitted to basically WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants.



** A lot of this has to do with Nomura's philosophy of [[ShockingSwerve adding plot twists, no matter what the rhyme or reason]], in order to keep things "surprising." When asked what the most important thing to him is when making a story, he replied with this:
-->'''Nomura:''' Making it "surprising." While I'm writing out the plot, if things seem that you can predict the outcome on your own, then I think of a different, unexpected development.



** Put it this way, around the time of KH3D a well known KH website teamed up with a youtube to cover some basic story for people who decided to jump in. In the resulting video SERIES, the first episode covered just the in universe history. It takes over an hour to watch and had to be divided up into chapters by content.
** KH3D adds in TIME TRAVEL to clear things up. This fails.



* ''VideoGame/{{Marathon}}''. You have implications that the precursors were at Tau Ceti. Then there are hints that the main character is a [[{{Precursors}} Jjaro]]. Hints that he is a [[SuperSoldier battleroid]], Beowulf/Roland/everybody else, and the protagonist of Pathways into Darkness.... all at the same time! Oh, then Durandal likes to speak about philosophy. This is before the third game turned into a CosmicHorrorStory that abused the multiverse and TimeyWimeyBall to no end. By the time WMG attempts to mesh the timeline in with the Haloverse come along, it almost sounds normal. Almost.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Marathon}}''. You have implications that the precursors were at Tau Ceti. Then there are hints that the main character is a [[{{Precursors}} Jjaro]]. Hints that he is a [[SuperSoldier battleroid]], Beowulf/Roland/everybody else, and the protagonist of Pathways into Darkness.... Darkness, all at the same time! Oh, then Durandal likes to speak about philosophy. This is before the third game turned into a CosmicHorrorStory that abused the multiverse and TimeyWimeyBall to no end. By the time WMG attempts to mesh the timeline in with the Haloverse come along, it almost sounds normal. Almost.end.



* ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''... The best summation is probably "Wait...? What...? Didn't he just...?"
** It really is stunning how Masato Kato took [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger a plucky, fourth-generation console game about saving the world from space termites]] and turned it into... well, Immanuel Kant set to music and psychedelics.

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* ''VideoGame/ChronoCross''... The ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'' is so confusing it's best summation is probably "Wait...? What...? Didn't he just...?"
** It really is stunning how
described as Masato Kato took taking [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger a plucky, fourth-generation console game about saving the world from space termites]] and turned turning it into... well, into Immanuel Kant set to music and psychedelics.psychedelics.
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' (or more precisely, "The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII"). The first game started out pretty simple in storytelling (saving the world from long-haired pretty boy with mommy issues, Sephiroth, and making friends along the way while decoding your own past in a typical monster-infested fantasy world) and while it got [[MindScrew very complicated toward the end]], all the [[JigsawPuzzlePlot pieces of the puzzle WERE there to put together.]] Then the sequels came out: ''[[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]'' and ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'', along with prequels: a cell-phone game starring the Turks and the {{retcon}}-filled ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' for the PSP, and then the whole ''FFVII'' went to hell in a handbasket from there. Add to that completely different characterization of Cloud, and the Turks, who had been retooled into bumbling comic relief characters, and recharacterizing Aerith as a PuritySue, and you have some of the myriad reasons why the Compilation is known in some circles as "[[FanNickname The Complication of Final Fantasy VII]]."
** One of the biggest problems is there are now at least 6 different versions of what happened at Nibelheim. Granted there was about 3 in the original version as it is, but now it's become the video game version of ''Film/{{Rashomon}}''.
*** One of the executives at work in Square Enix has now decreed that each version is seen from the perspective of a different character. So now it is OFFICIALLY the video game version of ''Film/{{Rashomon}}''. God damn it Square Enix...
* This is one of the most defining aspects ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'''s story. There are so many aspects of the lore, characters, character motivations that are left up in the air including what [[spoiler:effect the end of your journey has on the world.]]
* ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' has come a long way from its original ''Film/EnterTheDragon'' meets ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' mashup. The cast seemed to grow exponentially with each game, and with characters come backstories.
* ''Franchise/StreetFighter'', at times, leaned heavily this way; particularly the ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha Alpha]]'' series which always looped back to M. Bison and some nefarious plot he cooked up. ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIII'' opted to start fresh, but it was also the least popular entry ([[VindicatedByHistory though it'd later be regarded much more favorably]]).

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' (or -- or more precisely, "The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII"). VII". The first game started out was a pretty simple in storytelling (saving the world from long-haired pretty boy with mommy issues, Sephiroth, and making friends along the way while decoding your own past in a typical monster-infested fantasy world) and while it got [[MindScrew very complicated toward the end]], all the SavingTheWorld storyline; any MindScrew elements were [[JigsawPuzzlePlot pieces resolved by the end of the puzzle WERE there to put together.]] Then the game]]. The sequels came out: ''[[Anime/FinalFantasyVIIAdventChildren Advent Children]]'' and ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'', along with prequels: a cell-phone game starring prequels, on the Turks and the {{retcon}}-filled ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' for the PSP, and then the whole ''FFVII'' went other hand, made everything way more complicated than it had to hell in a handbasket from there. Add to that completely different be. Characters got {{Flanderized}} as some games got new viewpoint characters or allowed outside characterization of Cloud, and the Turks, who had been retooled into bumbling comic relief characters, and recharacterizing Aerith as a PuritySue, and you have some of the myriad reasons why the Compilation is known in some circles as "[[FanNickname The Complication of Final Fantasy VII]]."
** One of the biggest problems is there are
to creep in. There's also now at least 6 six different versions of what happened at Nibelheim. Granted there was about 3 in the original version as it is, but now it's become Nibelheim, making this the video game version equivalent of ''Film/{{Rashomon}}''.
*** One of the executives at work in Square Enix has now decreed
''Film/{{Rashomon}}''; Creator/SquareEnix basically gave up and [[SureLetsGoWithThat said that each version is seen from this was officially the perspective of a different character. So now it is OFFICIALLY the video game version of ''Film/{{Rashomon}}''. God damn it Square Enix...
case]].
* This is one of the most defining aspects ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'''s story. There are so many aspects of the lore, characters, character motivations that are left up in the air air, including what [[spoiler:effect the end of your journey has on the world.]]
* ''Franchise/MortalKombat'' has come a long way from its original ''Film/EnterTheDragon'' meets ''Film/BigTroubleInLittleChina'' mashup. The cast seemed to grow exponentially with each game, and with characters come backstories.
world]].
* ''Franchise/StreetFighter'', at times, leaned heavily this way; particularly the ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha Alpha]]'' series series, which always looped back to M. Bison and some nefarious plot he cooked up. ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIII'' opted to start fresh, but it was also the least popular entry ([[VindicatedByHistory though it'd it would later be regarded much more favorably]]).



* ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' was made to counter this trope in the first place. Before the game came out there was a ton of speculation on what really happenned with Shadow as well as the numerous subplots he had. However, due to the game being rushed, many opportunities that a Kudzu Plot would provide are literally just trampled over, to disastrous effects. Tone was set to extra dark in this game, and because so much was lost through the game, let alone how little justification was made into Shadow's mistakes, which would be independent of tone too, that element was an easy target due to its visibility.
* ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'' suffers heavily from this. Several plot points are not fleshed out enough, such as the history of the Lost Hex and the Zeti, or their personalities. Despite being the primary antagonists of the game, they get very little screentime, nowhere near enough to show anything other than than their base personality traits, with most of the focus being the team-up between Sonic, Tails, and Eggman to defeat them. There's also ''another'' subplot in which Tails is upset because he feels that Sonic trusts Eggman more than him, that is mentioned only once or twice before Tails spends the rest of the game captured and they make up at the end of the game.
** Little speculation is needed for why this trope was seen here in the first place, because the writers don't have a great history with writing serious plots or good speaking roles. Lost World's plot was made in response to fan criticism of recent games, which had a poorly executed LighterAndSofter aim. Pontac and Graff written the dialogue for all Sonic games since 2010, and were directly responsible for writing the story.

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* ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' was made to counter this trope in the first place. Before the game came out there was ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' character Shadow has picked up a ton of speculation on what really happenned with Shadow as well as the numerous unresolved subplots he had. However, due to over the game being rushed, many opportunities that a Kudzu Plot would provide are literally just trampled over, to disastrous effects. Tone was set to extra dark in this game, and because so much was lost through the game, let alone how little justification was made into Shadow's mistakes, which would be independent of tone too, that element was an easy target due to its visibility.
* ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'' suffers heavily from this. Several plot points are not fleshed out enough, such as the history of the Lost Hex and the Zeti, or their personalities. Despite being the primary antagonists of the game, they get very little screentime, nowhere near enough to show anything other than than their base personality traits, with most of the focus being the team-up between Sonic, Tails, and Eggman to defeat them. There's also ''another'' subplot
games in which Tails is upset he's appeared. He got his own game, ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'', to try and resolve them, but it did so by just setting the proverbial machete to the kudzu. In particular, fans didn't like the game's DarkerAndEdgier tone, which seemed to be there just in an attempt to resolve everything on its own.
* ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'', an attempt to turn away from the franchise's previous LighterAndSofter bent (which didn't sit well with fans), ran into this problem
because he feels it tried to introduce too many plot threads. It brings up conflict that makes no sense and is never resolved (such as Tails being upset that Sonic trusts Eggman more than him, that is mentioned only once or twice before Tails spends him) and almost completely forgets to give screen time to the rest of the game captured and they make up at the end of the game.
** Little speculation is needed for why this trope was seen here in the first place, because the writers don't have a great history with writing serious plots or good speaking roles. Lost World's plot was made in response to fan criticism of recent games, which had a poorly executed LighterAndSofter aim. Pontac and Graff written the dialogue for all Sonic games since 2010, and were directly responsible for writing the story.
antagonists.



* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' started out as a series of simple, nonsensical plots (fighting a goo monster, a male character being stuck as a girl) with something more serious brewing in the background. +2,000 strips later, we have alternate dimensions, vampires, a race of supernatural immortals, secret government agencies, magic-eating space whales, the proliferation of magic, prophetic dreams, and even superheroes. While some plot threads have been solved (or ignored to the point where the might as well not have existed), new ones pop up or existing ones get more complicated.
* The final arcs of ''Webcomic/ItsWalky'' seem almost unfollowable. There were government conspiracies and evil aliens, and other, eviller aliens that battled the first aliens, and a mystery character that was one or more of an alien, a robot from the dawn of time, the protagonist or a tertiary character from three years ago. There was at least one invasion of the Earth, and characters dying and other characters trying to bring them back to life, and ooooh, something about Illuminati from another universe and clones and hybrids and ''ow my brains''. All this from a comic that [[CerebusSyndrome started out]] as [[WackyCollege college-based gag strip]]. Perhaps it was best that the story ended then, before it took a team of Talmudic scholars just to follow the updates.
** Don't forget the talking car and the zombie hordes, which weren't so much Kudzu Plot as they were practically random elements that cropped up at the last minute. Fortunately they canceled each other out.
** To make it even worse, as soon as the strip ended, David Willis started doing ''Joyce and Walky'', featuring a number of characters from the earlier strip, except all of the weird alien invasion plot threads were utterly stopped and it became a cute little domestic comedy strip about a young married couple. A formerly superpowered, alien-fighting couple. Which was never mentioned again.
** This was followed by ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'', in which many of the rest of the characters started working at a toy store, with only occasional nods to the past.
* At this point, it would take a chainsaw to prune the plot of ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' into something sensible. And even when some of the threads are about to be tied up, Dan Shive takes another swig of TheChrisCarterEffect and makes it worse.
** He [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2005-09-16 lampshaded it]].
** Perhaps the biggest offender is Lord Tedd, an alternate dimension version of Tedd who was built up to be a major player early on in the plot, but after only 2 or 3 appearances has yet to appear or have any apparent effect on the plot outside of one of his underlings showing up during the Painted Black arc [[spoiler: to give OppositeSexClone Ellen her own childhood memories apart from Elliot.]] Only recently has he even been alluded to again, with Tedd having built a {{Magitek}} gauntlet similar in appearance to Lord Tedd's gauntlet [[spoiler: which, just like Lord Tedd's first appearance, give him BlackEyesOfEvil when he uses it.]] Dan Shive eventually expressed regret that he introduced the character as early as he did.
* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance''. For those who want a little context but don't wish to engage in an ArchiveTrawl, Here are some of the things waiting to be resolved: the origin and nature of a re-incarnating knife-throwing acrobatic assassin with wild red hair who alternates between normal and insane with every incarnation, the origin and intentions of a talking sword fueled by innocent blood, the last names of all of the characters save one, the intentions and plans of at least one and possibly more vampire clans, the actions of at least two separate cults of demons bent on causing the end of the world, the fate of the original world-ending demon that those cults worship, the intentions and fate of the obligatory shadowy corporate conspiracy, the fate of a character who was seemingly PutOnABus but who is continually referenced, the plans of the inhabitants of the dimension of pain who have recently acquired a new leader who goes by the name Psykosis, the origins and intentions of a certain switchblade wielding, superstrong mini-lop rabbit with a bad attitude, and the fate of the inhabitants of a dimension stuck out of time. This is by no means a complete list.
** Don't forget how many of these plot points were [[AbortedArc abruptly dropped]]. Most glaring was the outside time arc, which just gets dropped at a relatively major event with maybe 5% of its story left to be told. A large number of fans of the comic hated the arc because, except for Bun-Bun [[spoiler:(who got his exit some time before the end)]], there were absolutely none of the standard cast members in the arc. The reactions on the forums were overflowing with vitriol and they wanted Pete to get on with other unresolved plotlines, so he made attempts to cut it short before just dropping it altogether.
** Want to know the real irony? Abrams has said that he hated how Creator/ChrisCarter had clearly been making up the plot of ''Series/TheXFiles'' as he went along.
** This has actually become a potentially apocalyptic problem ''in-universe''. The Web of Fate is so [[ContinuitySnarl tangled]] at this point from plot kudzu that the Spider maintaining said Web had a nervous breakdown and if the Web isn't untangled soon, it'll break, destroying the world.
* Creator/DavidGonterman ''loves'' this trope to pieces. Almost all of his stories will set up plot points just to abruptly cut them off, refer to [[NoodleIncident past events that never happened on screen]], and otherwise just pad the story without giving satisfactory explanations or conclusions. This becomes a problem when these extraneous plot elements start conflicting with each other (for example, he might set up a {{Masquerade}} in the first couple chapters of a story, then just throw it away in order to start having plots about other members of the so-called "masquerade"). It's rather impressive that within the span of 240 strips over about two years, the original ''[=FoxFire=]'' probably has more dangling plot threads than ''Sluggy Freelance'' has in its eleven year daily tenor.
* ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'' started in 2001. [[http://www.captainsnes.com/2003/08/19/376-the-ass-episode/ This strip]] is from 2003. The [[http://www.captainsnes.com/snesarchive.html sprawl]] has increased since then. Uniquely, there are actual in-story reasons for the sprawling plot; the entire story is a flashback being narrated by the protagonist to a mysterious captor who wants to know, and, in order to spite said captor, the protagonist is being as obtuse, misleading, and meandering in the telling as he possibly can.
* ''Webcomic/MegaTokyo''. Ever since one of the creators left, the comic (and its update schedule) has slowed down and sprawled sideways. This carried on for so long that people were honestly shocked when the latest chapter suddenly revisited the zombie invasion and began to drop enormous clues as to the true nature and powers of [[EpilepticTrees Epileptic Tree]]-bait Miho.

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* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' started out as a series of simple, nonsensical plots (fighting a goo monster, a male character [[GenderBender being stuck as a girl) girl]]) with something more serious brewing in the background. +2,000 2,000+ strips later, we have alternate dimensions, vampires, a race of supernatural immortals, secret government agencies, magic-eating space whales, the proliferation of magic, prophetic dreams, and even superheroes. While some plot threads have been solved resolved (or ignored to the point where the they might as well not have existed), new ones pop up or and existing ones get more complicated.
* The final arcs of ''Webcomic/ItsWalky'' seem are almost unfollowable. There were government conspiracies and evil aliens, and other, eviller aliens that battled the first aliens, and a mystery character that was one or more of of: an alien, a robot from the dawn of time, the protagonist protagonist, or a tertiary character from three years ago. There was at least one invasion of the Earth, and characters were dying and other characters were trying to bring them back to life, and ooooh, something about Illuminati from another universe and clones and hybrids universe, clones, hybrids, and ''ow my brains''. All this from a comic that [[CerebusSyndrome started out]] as [[WackyCollege college-based gag strip]]. Perhaps it was best that the story ended then, before it took a team of Talmudic scholars just to follow the updates.
** Don't forget
updates. Then the talking car and the zombie hordes, which weren't so much Kudzu Plot as they were practically random elements that cropped up at the last minute. Fortunately they canceled each other out.
** To make it even worse, as soon as the strip ended, David Willis started doing
author made a spinoff: ''Joyce and Walky'', featuring a number many of the same characters from the earlier strip, except all of the weird alien invasion plot threads were utterly stopped and it became in a cute little domestic comedy strip about a young married couple. A formerly superpowered, alien-fighting couple. Which was never mentioned again.
** This was followed by
with no reference to any of the weird plotlines from before. The rest of the characters wound up in ''Webcomic/{{Shortpacked}}'', in which many of the rest of the characters started working at a toy store, is another comedy with only occasional nods no reference to the past.
weirdness.
* At this point, it would take a chainsaw to prune the plot of ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' into something sensible. And even when some of the threads are about to be tied up, Dan Shive takes another swig of TheChrisCarterEffect and makes it worse.
** He
worse. He's been [[http://www.egscomics.com/sketchbook/?date=2005-09-16 lampshaded it]].
** Perhaps the biggest offender is Lord Tedd,
known to lampshade it]], which suggests he does it deliberately, but in some cases, he admits to poor planning (such as with "Lord Tedd", an alternate dimension version of alternate-dimension evil Tedd who was built up to be a major player early on in the plot, but after had only 2 or 3 a few, non-impactful appearances has yet to appear or have any apparent effect on the plot outside of one of his underlings showing up during the Painted Black arc [[spoiler: to give OppositeSexClone Ellen her own childhood memories apart from Elliot.]] Only recently has he even been alluded to again, with Tedd having built a {{Magitek}} gauntlet similar in appearance to Lord Tedd's gauntlet [[spoiler: which, just like Lord Tedd's first appearance, give him BlackEyesOfEvil when he uses it.]] Dan before disappearing again -- Shive eventually expressed regret that admitted he introduced the character as early as he did.
him too early).
* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance''. For those who want a little context but don't wish ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' has been known to engage in an ArchiveTrawl, Here are some of the things waiting to be resolved: the origin bring up weird plots and nature of a re-incarnating knife-throwing acrobatic assassin with wild red hair who alternates between normal and insane with every incarnation, the origin and intentions of a talking sword fueled by innocent blood, the last names of all of the characters save one, the intentions and plans of at least one and possibly more vampire clans, the actions of at least two separate cults of demons bent on causing the end of the world, the fate of the original world-ending demon that those cults worship, the intentions and fate of the obligatory shadowy corporate conspiracy, the fate of a character who was seemingly PutOnABus but who is continually referenced, the plans of the inhabitants of the dimension of pain who have recently acquired a new leader who goes by the name Psykosis, the origins and intentions of a certain switchblade wielding, superstrong mini-lop rabbit with a bad attitude, and the fate of the inhabitants of a dimension stuck out of time. This is by no means a complete list.
** Don't forget how many of these plot points were
[[AbortedArc abruptly dropped]]. Most glaring was the outside time arc, drop them]], at least some of which just gets dropped at a relatively major event with maybe 5% of its story left to be told. A large number of (such as the "outside time" arc) were DayInTheLimelight plots that fans of weren't particularly keen on. This kudzu plot eventually became a problem ''in-universe'', in that the comic hated Web of Fate is [[ContinuitySnarl so tangled]] that the arc because, except for Bun-Bun [[spoiler:(who got his exit some time before the end)]], there were absolutely none of the standard cast members in the arc. The reactions Spider maintaining it is on the forums were overflowing with vitriol and they wanted Pete to get on with other unresolved plotlines, so he made attempts to cut it short before just dropping it altogether.
** Want to
verge of a nervous breakdown. Ironically enough, the author has been know the real irony? Abrams has said that he hated to criticize how Creator/ChrisCarter had clearly been making up the plot of ''Series/TheXFiles'' as he went along.
along. Here are just some of the things waiting to be resolved:
** This has actually become a potentially apocalyptic problem ''in-universe''. The Web origin and nature of Fate is so [[ContinuitySnarl tangled]] a reincarnating knife-throwing acrobatic assassin with wild red hair who alternates between normal and insane with every incarnation
** The origin and intentions of a talking sword fueled by the blood of the innocent
** The intentions and plans of
at this point from plot kudzu least one vampire clans
** The actions of at least two separate cults of demons bent on causing the end of the world, and the fate of the original world-ending demon
that those cults worship
** The intentions and fate of
the Spider maintaining said Web had obligatory [[CorruptCorporateExecutive shadowy corporate conspiracy]]
** The fate of
a nervous breakdown character who was seemingly PutOnABus but is continually referenced
** The plans of the inhabitants of the dimension of pain, who have recently acquired a new leader who goes by the name Psykosis
** The origins
and if intentions of a certain switchblade wielding, superstrong mini-lop rabbit with a bad attitude
** The fate of
the Web isn't untangled soon, it'll break, destroying the world.
inhabitants of a dimension stuck out of time.
* Creator/DavidGonterman ''loves'' this trope to pieces. Almost all of his stories will set up plot points just to abruptly cut them off, refer to [[NoodleIncident past events that never happened on screen]], and otherwise just pad the story without giving satisfactory explanations or conclusions. This becomes a problem when these extraneous plot elements start conflicting with each other (for example, he might set up a {{Masquerade}} in the first couple chapters of a story, then just throw it away in order to start having plots about other members of the so-called "masquerade"). It's rather impressive that within the span of 240 strips over about two years, the original ''[=FoxFire=]'' probably has more dangling plot threads than ''Sluggy Freelance'' has in its eleven year daily tenor.
tenure.
* ''Webcomic/CaptainSNES'' started in 2001. [[http://www.captainsnes.com/2003/08/19/376-the-ass-episode/ This strip]] is from 2003. The [[http://www.captainsnes.com/snesarchive.html sprawl]] has increased since then. Uniquely, there are actual in-story reasons for the sprawling plot; the entire story is a flashback being narrated by the protagonist to a mysterious captor who wants to know, and, in order demands answers from him, so to spite said captor, him, the protagonist is being as obtuse, misleading, and meandering in the telling the story as he possibly can.
* ''Webcomic/MegaTokyo''. ''Webcomic/MegaTokyo'': Ever since one of the creators left, the comic (and its update schedule) has slowed down and sprawled sideways. This carried on for so long that people were honestly shocked when the latest chapter suddenly revisited the zombie invasion and began to drop enormous clues as to the true nature and powers of [[EpilepticTrees Epileptic Tree]]-bait Miho.



** This has been heavily lampshaded in TheRant--see the page quote. Or for example a strip featuring a never previously named character inexplicably walking through a glowing triangular portal to a "lesson" with the "old man" had the comment "Mystery solved." It was not.
*** Less than a day after that page went up, someone on the official forum [[EpilepticTrees guessed]], based on a detail from that page, that said girl was [[spoiler:[[Myth/NorseMythology the Valkyrie Brynhildr]].]] [[WordOfGod Word of Tom]] immediately confirmed that this was correct. So the mystery really ''was'' solved.
--> '''Reader Comment:''' [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php?show_id=977#bk_977 That explains a lot, why are you explaining things? Every time you do that the number of questions I have doubles.]]
* ''Webcomic/ProblemSleuth'' is this trope taken UpToEleven. Impenetrable SolveTheSoupCans puzzles, alternate dimensions, various bizarre game mechanics introduced at random, TimeTravel, a GeodesicCast, and a ChekhovsArmory that'd probably be better described as a ''warehouse'', all contribute to its year-long sprawling plot. However, the series was meant to be more of an AffectionateParody of Kudzu in adventure games and [=JRPGs=], and the author, Creator/AndrewHussie, actually manages to wrap up the plot in a satisfying way when it finally all comes to an end.
** ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' as well, although in the case of both of these comics, the ridiculous number of plot threads is due to the author (and [[InteractiveFiction the readers]]) [[AscendedFanon making it up as they go along]].
*** The "Readers making it up" part was discarded by the end of the first part; all of the second and third part, as well as the long A6A6 (not on the adventure map at this time) was author scripted.
*** The amazing thing about this is that the author, in a blog interview, explained that he has a terrible memory for many things, but every facet and detail of Homestuck is vivid and clear in his mind. Reportedly, he wrote the 4/15 recap purely from memory.
*** Homestuck's nature as this is probably best described in this quote from Hussie's tumblr:
---> "The thing is, Homestuck is both a story and a puzzle, by design and by definition. If asked to define it, “a story that’s also a puzzle” is as close to true as any answer I’d give."
* ''Webcomic/WapsiSquare'', is a long running strip that started slice of life with a good sized cast, develops a supernatural plot with it's own castmembers, multiple of whom are immortal, and even aside from the time-loop plot there's a lot going on in it's impressive timeline! Minor plotlines and characters are known to be shuffled off at times, sometimes to appear again years later, and the supernatural aspects of the setting have only gotten more development with time.
* ''Webcomic/ScaryGoRound'', surprising for a comic without many vast mysterious conspiracies, left plot threads hanging all over the place. In one case, a villain's comeback was left hanging for so long- must have been years- that she was physically almost unrecognizable when she finally reappeared, because the comics art style had changed so much in the meantime.
* ''Webcomic/{{Sonichu}}'' suffers from this horribly. A lot of the Kudzu Plot problems lay in creator Christian Weston Chandler, mostly due to the fact that he keeps shifting plots around to suit his needs (from attempting to woo video game companies to attempting to woo potential love interests to just getting rid of detractors.) Each shift would leave more questions than answers, leading to Issue 10, where he'd plow through those loose ends with a machete, leaving the reader feeling very empty. Even then many plot points are just [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse never brought up again]]. Metal Sonichu being stuck on the moon yet still alive really seemed to setting up something later down the line, but the whole thing is just never mentioned again.

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** This * Creator/AndrewHussie has been heavily lampshaded in TheRant--see known to [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants write by the page quote. Or for example a strip featuring a never previously named character inexplicably walking through a glowing triangular portal to a "lesson" with the "old man" had the comment "Mystery solved." It was not.
*** Less than a day after that page went up, someone on the official forum [[EpilepticTrees guessed]], based on a detail from that page, that said girl was [[spoiler:[[Myth/NorseMythology the Valkyrie Brynhildr]].]] [[WordOfGod Word
seat of Tom]] immediately confirmed that this was correct. So the mystery really ''was'' solved.
--> '''Reader Comment:''' [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php?show_id=977#bk_977 That explains a lot, why are you explaining things? Every time you do that the number of questions I have doubles.]]
*
his pants]]:
**
''Webcomic/ProblemSleuth'' is this trope taken UpToEleven. Impenetrable has impenetrable SolveTheSoupCans puzzles, alternate dimensions, various bizarre game mechanics introduced at random, TimeTravel, a GeodesicCast, and a ChekhovsArmory that'd that would probably be better described as a ''warehouse'', warehouse, all contribute contributing to its year-long sprawling plot. However, the series was meant to be more of an AffectionateParody of Kudzu in adventure games and [=JRPGs=], and the author, Creator/AndrewHussie, author actually manages to wrap up the plot in a satisfying way when it finally all comes to an end.
** ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' as well, although in the case of both of these comics, the is known for its ridiculous number of plot threads is due to the author (and [[InteractiveFiction the readers]]) threads, some of them [[AscendedFanon making it up as they go along]].
*** The "Readers making it up" part was discarded
suggested by the end readers]]. Incredibly enough, Hussie (despite his usually terrible memory) can keep track of the first part; all many of the second and third part, as well as the long A6A6 (not on the adventure map at this time) was author scripted.
*** The amazing thing about this is that the author, in a blog interview, explained that
these plot points, so maybe he has a terrible memory for many things, but every facet and detail of Homestuck is vivid and clear in his mind. Reportedly, handle on it after all. As he wrote the 4/15 recap purely from memory.
*** Homestuck's nature as this is probably best described in this quote from Hussie's tumblr:
puts it:
---> "The thing is, Homestuck ''Homestuck'' is both a story and a puzzle, by design and by definition. If asked to define it, “a story that’s also a puzzle” is as close to true as any answer I’d give."
give.
* ''Webcomic/WapsiSquare'', ''Webcomic/WapsiSquare'' is a long running strip LongRunner that started slice of life as a SliceOfLife comic with a good sized big cast, develops developed a supernatural plot with it's own castmembers, multiple of whom are immortal, new cast members, and even aside from then introduced the time-loop plot there's a lot going on in it's impressive timeline! Minor TimeyWimeyBall. As such, minor plotlines and characters are known to be shuffled off at times, sometimes off, only to appear again years later, and the supernatural aspects of the setting have only gotten more development with time.
later.
* ''Webcomic/ScaryGoRound'', surprising surprisingly for a comic without many vast mysterious conspiracies, left plot threads hanging all over the place. In one case, a villain's comeback was left hanging for so long- must have been years- long that she was physically almost unrecognizable when she finally reappeared, because the comics comic's art style [[ArtShift had changed so much much]] in the meantime.
* ''Webcomic/{{Sonichu}}'' suffers from this horribly. A lot of the Kudzu Plot problems lay in creator Christian Weston Chandler, mostly due to the fact that he who keeps shifting plots around to suit his needs (from attempting to woo wooing video game companies to attempting to woo wooing potential love interests {{love interest}}s to just getting rid of detractors.) detractors). Each shift would leave more questions than answers, leading to Issue 10, where he'd plow through those loose ends with a machete, leaving the reader feeling very empty. Even then then, many plot points are just [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse never brought up again]]. In particular, Metal Sonichu being stuck on the moon yet still alive really seemed to be setting up something later on down the line, but the whole thing is just never mentioned again.



* ''[[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries Shadow Of Israphel]]'' is looking this way. We still have no idea who Israphel is, except that he's apparently [[spoiler: Reverend_John's son]], who's supposed to have been dead for 5 years, and yet has been [[spoiler: haunting Old_Peculiar]] for much longer than that. Oh, and he has 2 graves. The greatest threat to the world is SAND. Except that the Sand is actually [[spoiler: a prison for an army of giant evil robots]]. What? And we still have no idea what the facilities in the Nether are, who N-Comm Systems are and how they are [[spoiler: from the future]], what [[spoiler: the Sentinels]] actually are, what the Turtle God was, how Shiplord_Hubert ended up in the Desert, who the Templar Kings are, and a whole lot more. [[CutShort We may never know]].

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* ''[[Machinima/YogscastMinecraftSeries Shadow Of of Israphel]]'' is looking was CutShort, but in the meantime it definitely went this way. We still have no idea who Israphel is, except that he's apparently [[spoiler: Reverend_John's son]], a character who's supposed to have been be dead (and has ''two'' graves) but is [[spoiler:haunting Old_Peculiar for 5 years, and yet has been [[spoiler: haunting Old_Peculiar]] for much even longer than that. Oh, and he has 2 graves. The he's supposed to have been dead]]. We have ''sand'' as the greatest threat to the world is SAND. Except that the Sand is actually [[spoiler: a world, except it's really [[spoiler:a prison for an army of giant evil robots]]. What? robot army]]. And we still have no idea what the facilities in the Nether are, who explanation for N-Comm Systems are and how they are [[spoiler: from (supposedly [[spoiler:from the future]], what [[spoiler: the Sentinels]] actually are, what the Turtle God was, God, [[spoiler:the Sentinels]], the Templar Kings, and how Shiplord_Hubert ended wound up in the Desert, who the Templar Kings are, and a whole lot more. [[CutShort We may never know]].Desert.



* '' WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' delved into this in its third season. Presumably, the planned fourth season would have tied up somewhere between most and all of the loose ends, but the show got canceled before that could happen, meaning the third season finishes out with many plot points unresolved, including but not limited to: [[spoiler:Since WordOfGod states that Blurr actually survived being compacted by Shockwave, what would have happened to him? What happened to the Predacons after they woke up on the island and found themselves surrounded by [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Maximal-esque]] animals, and what were Waspinator's "plans"? What ultimately happened to Ultra Magnus? Whatever happened to the Constructicons besides Scrapper? What exactly happened to the Earthbound Autobots after they returned victorious to Cybertron? How did the protoform Sari was made from get to Earth?]] Designs from the fourth season have been released [[AllThereInTheManual in part via the Allspark Almanac and via conventions]] that partially answer at least some of these: [[spoiler:Blackarachnia would have been making an army of Predacons like Waspinator, Ultra Magnus would have died, the Constructicons all survived the explosion on Dinobot island, regrouped, and Dirt Boss has them working on building [[CombiningMecha Devastator]], and while Sari and Bulkhead would have stayed on Cybertron, the rest of the main cast would have traveled back to Earth to hunt for Energon with Jazz and Ironhide joining them.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' rarely has an arc that doesn't branch off into at least two more by the time it finishes. Probably the most important example involves Loki's invasion of Asgard early in season one. [[spoiler: After Thor thwarts the invasion, Loki gets banished, then breaks 74 Midgardian villains from their prisons to distract Thor from interfering with another takeover attempt. The sudden increase in crime rate leads Thor to join a newly founded superhero team, the Avengers. Several of the criminals that escaped proceed to carry out their own plans for taking over the world, which the Avengers must stop in addition to saving the Nine Realms from Loki. Let's not get started on how many of those other villains' schemes open new cans of worms.]]

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* '' WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' delved into this in its third season. Presumably, the planned fourth season would have tied up somewhere between most and all at least some of the loose ends, but the show got canceled before that could happen, meaning the third season finishes out with many plot points unresolved, including but not limited to: [[spoiler:Since WordOfGod states that Blurr actually survived being compacted by Shockwave, what would have happened to him? What happened to the Predacons after they woke up on the island and found themselves surrounded by [[WesternAnimation/BeastWars Maximal-esque]] animals, and what were Waspinator's "plans"? What ultimately happened to Ultra Magnus? Whatever happened to the Constructicons besides Scrapper? What exactly happened to the Earthbound Autobots after they returned victorious to Cybertron? How did the protoform Sari was made from get to Earth?]] unresolved. Designs from for the fourth season have been released released, though, [[AllThereInTheManual in part via the Allspark Almanac ''Allspark Almanac'']] and via conventions]] that partially at conventions, which answer at least some of these: [[spoiler:Blackarachnia would have been making an army of Predacons like Waspinator, Ultra Magnus would have died, the Constructicons all survived the explosion on Dinobot island, regrouped, and Dirt Boss has them working on building [[CombiningMecha Devastator]], and while Sari and Bulkhead would have stayed on Cybertron, the rest (but not all) of the main cast would have traveled back to Earth to hunt for Energon with Jazz and Ironhide joining them.]]
remaining questions.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'' rarely has an arc that doesn't branch off into at least two more by the time it finishes. Probably the most important example involves Loki's invasion of Asgard early in season one. [[spoiler: After Thor thwarts the invasion, Loki gets banished, then breaks 74 Midgardian villains from one; its resolution results in [[spoiler:a veritable army of criminals being released, each with their prisons to distract Thor from interfering with another takeover attempt. The sudden increase in crime rate leads own story, which provides the impetus for Thor to join a newly founded superhero team, the Avengers. Several of the criminals that escaped proceed to carry out their own plans for taking over the world, which the Avengers must stop in addition to saving the Nine Realms from Loki. Let's not get started on how many of those other villains' schemes open new cans of worms.]]Avengers]].
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** Put it this way, around the time of KH3D a well known KH website teamed up with a youtube to cover some basic story for people who decided to jump in. In the resulting video SERIES, the first episode covered just the in universe history. It takes over an hour to watch and had to be divided up into chapters by content.
** KH3D adds in TIME TRAVEL to clear things up. This fails.
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The plot for this arc has been resolved, but it's generated other [[PlotThreads dangling plot points]] for the story to segue to. Lots of them, enough to provide writing fodder for several arcs, at least. The story marches on, but the next arc works out the same, creating more unexplained plot points than it resolved, and again [[NestedStory increases the quantity of unaddressed story threads]] running in the background. This continues, probably forever. If never resolved, this may be a sign of bad writing. (Or maybe the author just hates his audience and decides that he'll just intentionally leave the plot open.)

A Kudzu Plot is a common result of very heavily pre-planned and lengthy {{myth arc}}s. It is also often a sign of poor planning by the writer, or more pressing issues (say, {{crossover}}s or {{filler}} episodes). If it grows too massive and intricate, the FirstLawOfMetafictionalThermodynamics makes it very difficult to resolve everything before the audience gives up in frustration.

One can get away with a Kudzu Plot in plot matters in the right sort of story, such as a JigsawPuzzlePlot, or a story where [[GainaxEnding the characters don't ever get "the big picture"]], or if you intend to [[MindScrew deliberately confuse the audience]]. This requires care, though. Otherwise, the audience might object when you introduce [[ChekhovsArmory a gun, a knife, and a chainsaw]], all in the first five chapters, then make the rest of the story about knitting competitions. Dropping character points without follow-up (or following up on them poorly) is a leading cause of ExpansionPackPast, wherein the character becomes less than the sum of the parts. Sometimes, Kudzu Plots can be done well simply if the writer handles it properly, or keeps the number of plot lines down to a [[TwoLinesNoWaiting minimum]]. Often, multiple things happening at once [[TropesAreNotBad may be considered the greatest asset of the work]].

See DrivingQuestion, which is used repeatedly in cases like these. Also, TheChrisCarterEffect, where the fans no longer trust in the writers' ability to resolve unsettled plot threads.

Named after one of Japan's top exports to the DeepSouth -- the kudzu plant spreads all over the place, is very hard to rein in, and while initially seen as beneficial to the soil, it will often choke out otherwise healthy life. [[IThoughtItMeant Not to be confused with]] the NewspaperComic [[ComicStrip/{{Kudzu}} of the same name]].

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The plot for this A Kudzu Plot occurs when a story leaves so many dangling PlotThreads that it's extremely difficult to follow and needlessly complicated. A story arc has been may be resolved, but it's generated other [[PlotThreads dangling plot points]] for the story to segue to. Lots of them, enough to provide writing fodder for several arcs, at least. The story marches on, but the next arc works out the same, creating it will usually create more unexplained plot points than it resolved, and again unanswered questions in the process. This can also happen [[NestedStory increases multiple times within the quantity of unaddressed story threads]] running in the background. This continues, probably forever. If never resolved, this may be a sign of bad writing. (Or maybe the author just hates his audience and decides that he'll just intentionally leave the plot open.)

A Kudzu Plot is
same story]].

It's
a common result of very heavily pre-planned planned and lengthy {{myth arc}}s. It is also often arc}}s; if a sign of poor planning by the writer, or more pressing issues (say, {{crossover}}s or {{filler}} episodes). If writer can't adequately resolve everything he's set up, it grows will become too massive and intricate, the FirstLawOfMetafictionalThermodynamics makes it very difficult for him to resolve everything before to the audience gives up audience's satisfaction. Also, because of the FirstLawOfMetafictionalThermodynamics, there's only a limited amount of energy in frustration.

One can get away with
any given plot to go around to all the little plot threads, so the more plot threads there are, the less attention will be devoted to any of them.

However, TropesAreNotBad; even though a story may be confusing or intricate,
a Kudzu Plot in plot matters can be well executed and rewarding in the right sort hands of story, such as a JigsawPuzzlePlot, skillful author. An author may do this deliberately to [[MindScrew confuse the audience]] or a add an air of chaos or mystery to the story where [[GainaxEnding (''i.e.'' the characters don't ever get "the big picture"]], or if you intend to [[MindScrew deliberately confuse understand everything, so why should the audience]]. This requires care, though. Otherwise, the audience might object when you introduce [[ChekhovsArmory a gun, a knife, and a chainsaw]], all reader?). A good way to keep such plots in the first five chapters, then make the rest of the story about knitting competitions. Dropping character points without follow-up (or following up on them poorly) line is a leading cause of ExpansionPackPast, wherein the character becomes less than the sum of the parts. Sometimes, Kudzu Plots can be done well simply if the writer handles it properly, or keeps the number of plot lines down to a [[TwoLinesNoWaiting minimum]]. Often, multiple things happening at once [[TropesAreNotBad may be considered the greatest asset of the work]].

with an overarching DrivingQuestion.

See DrivingQuestion, which is used repeatedly in cases like these. Also, also TheChrisCarterEffect, where the fans no longer trust in the writers' ability to resolve unsettled lose patience with a plot threads.

Named after
like this and give up on a story before the author has a chance to end it.

The TropeNamer is a plant,
one of Japan's top exports to the DeepSouth -- DeepSouth. It was initially imported as a way to improve the kudzu plant spreads soil, but it quickly gained a reputation for growing all over the place, is being very hard to rein in, and while initially seen as beneficial to the soil, it will often choke choking out otherwise healthy life. other plants. It's also [[IThoughtItMeant Not not to be confused with]] the NewspaperComic of [[ComicStrip/{{Kudzu}} of the same name]].



** In addition, the giant robot that blinks at you in the second episode may also be kinda confusing to most people.
** Even Creator/SpikeSpencer {{lampshade|Hanging}}s the GainaxEnding with this trope in mind.



* ''Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys'', though lighter on the confusion part than most entries.
** Creator/NaokiUrasawa in general is rather a master of doing this trope ''right''. He'll introduce dozens of often twisty and complicated plot threads throughout his manga and somehow always manages to wrap everything up in a more or less satisfactory manner by the end. It remains to be seen if his latest masterpiece, ''Manga/BillyBat'', certainly his most ambitious work to date in this regard, will be able to keep up this momentum or if Urasawa will finally descend, Icarus-like into the depths of a Claremont-esque morass of incomprehensibility and dangling plot threads.
* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes''. No matter how much attention you pay, you ''will'' miss at least one minor detail.
* ''Manga/YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' features a literal anti-ChekhovsGun and introduces a number of different elements without any intention of addressing their nature. It's also an extremely powerful example of how a work of fiction can not only remain at a very high quality precisely ''because'' of it - as long as you know what you're doing.
* ''Anime/CodeGeass'', much to the frustration of the fans. Three prominent examples include the nature of Suzaku's superhuman abilities (cut because it would complicate things after initial plans for the second season changed), practically anything of substance regarding the bulk of C.C.'s life before the show (considered inconsequential to the plot beyond revealing how she originally became immortal), and any additional information about Kallen's past or family besides her having a dead brother.
** Or even ''if'' her brother is dead; in the audio commentary for Episode 4, the head writer teases that he might be alive, much to the surprise and confusion of Creator/AmiKoshimizu.
*** The second season would have originally answered that, along with introducing Kallen's father and possibly [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jeremiah's]] sister. Oh well, chalk another one up to WhatCouldHaveBeen...
* ''Anime/TheBigO'': Although the series explains quite a few things in the last few episodes, none of the fundamental reasons behind these other reasons are ever given. Such is the trouble of having the last part of a series cut out and the MythArc killed.
* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' suffered from this in the end. Most things were left unanswered, like "Where is the SDF-3? and "What are 'Shadows'?". Thankfully, ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' resolved most of them.
** That said, ''Shadow Chronicles'' itself ended on a cliffhanger like the original series, with the fate of an extremely important character hanging in the balance instead of merely unknown, another alien faction with very ominous intentions ready to raise some hell, and humanity and their allies really screwed at the moment. It doesn't help that this was supposed to be the beginning of a new chapter for the franchise and nothing much has happened since. And that's before taking into account the legal problems the franchise is having, which makes any kind of satisfying future resolution or closure to the story very unlikely; there is a planned sequel, ''Shadow Rising'', but it has been postponed indefinitely since 2009 in part due to the ''Robotech'' live-action project (which itself is in DevelopmentHell). This probably ties into TheChrisCarterEffect territory as well.
* ''Anime/RahXephon'' suffers a wee bit from this. The nature of the Mulians, the secret conspiracy, the nature of the world, why the main character is TheChosenOne and exactly what the chosen one ''does'' isn't particularly well-explained.
** TheMovie certainly helps to tidy up a few things, although it is an AlternateContinuity.
*** Also, [[http://www.khantazi.org/Rec/Anime/MuTimeline.html some fan-based research]] (which contains WEAPONS GRADE SPOILERS) proceeds to produce a [[WordOfDante satisfactory]] [[{{Fanon}} conclusion]] to any niggling doubts one may have.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' feels like this, thanks to its tendency to introduce plot points that slip into RedHerring twists: the Abandoned Dorm in season 1, the war between the Light of Destruction and the Duel Monsters in season 2, Yubel being stuck in Judai's head in season 3, and the entire ending of season 4 all give hints of being explored and resolved at a later date, but none of them actually do. Justified for Season 4, as it was a half-season with rushed production due to the main character's voice actor having to leave the show early.
* ''Manga/{{Negima}}'' gained several levels of complexity once the Magic World arc started, and the massive BackStory started to come into play, in addition to various subplots involving the minor characters. It's generally kept under control though... until the series' finale, where most of the subplots are either left hanging or explained away in a single panel, several important questions about the main MythArc are never addressed, and the protagonist's main motivation gets a resolution... off-panel.

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* ''Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys'', though Creator/NaokiUrasawa is known for works like this, like ''Manga/TwentiethCenturyBoys'' and ''Manga/BillyBat''. Although lighter on the confusion part than most entries.
** Creator/NaokiUrasawa in general is rather a master
aspect of doing this trope ''right''. He'll trope, he likes to introduce dozens of often twisty twisted and complicated plot threads throughout his manga and somehow always manages challenges himself to wrap everything up in a more or less satisfactory manner by the end. It remains manner. So far so good.
* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is so complex that it basically requires multiple viewings
to be seen if his latest masterpiece, ''Manga/BillyBat'', certainly his most ambitious work to date in this regard, will be able to keep up this momentum or if Urasawa will finally descend, Icarus-like into the depths of a Claremont-esque morass of incomprehensibility and dangling plot threads.
* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes''. No matter how much attention you pay, you ''will'' miss at least one minor detail.
get everything.
* ''Manga/YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' features a literal anti-ChekhovsGun and introduces a number of different elements without any intention of addressing their nature. It's also an extremely powerful example of how nature, including a work of fiction can not only remain at a very high quality precisely ''because'' of literal anti-ChekhovsGun. However, it's sufficiently well executed that it - as long as you know what you're doing.
* ''Anime/CodeGeass'', much
adds to the frustration nature of the fans. Three prominent examples include story.
* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' ran into this problem due to the last-minute changes and rushed production of its second season. Fans were frustrated by all the things left unexplained, including
the nature of Suzaku's superhuman abilities (cut because it would complicate things after initial plans for the second season changed), practically anything of substance regarding the bulk of abilities, C.C.'s life before the show (considered inconsequential to the plot beyond revealing how she originally became immortal), started, and any additional information about Kallen's past or family besides backstory (and her having a dead brother.
** Or even ''if'' her
brother is dead; in the audio commentary for Episode 4, the head writer teases that he who might not be alive, much to the surprise and confusion of Creator/AmiKoshimizu.
*** The second season would have originally answered that, along with introducing Kallen's father and possibly [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jeremiah's]] sister. Oh well, chalk another one up to WhatCouldHaveBeen...
dead after all).
* ''Anime/TheBigO'': Although the series explains quite a few things in the last few episodes, none of the fundamental reasons behind these other reasons are ever given. Such is This wasn't meant to happen; the trouble of having the last part of a series cut out and the was forced to end its MythArc killed.
earlier than planned.
* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' suffered from this in the end. Most things were left unanswered, like "Where is the SDF-3? location of the SDF-3 and "What are 'Shadows'?". Thankfully, what the heck "Shadows" were. ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' resolved most of them.
** That said, ''Shadow Chronicles'' itself ended on a cliffhanger like the original series, with the fate of an extremely important character
them but left many more plot threads hanging in the balance instead of merely unknown, another alien faction with very ominous intentions ready to raise some hell, and humanity and their allies really screwed at the moment. It doesn't help that this because it was supposed to be the beginning an attempted launch of a new chapter for series in the franchise and nothing much has happened since. And that's before taking into account the legal problems the franchise is having, which makes any kind of satisfying future resolution or closure to the story very unlikely; there is a planned sequel, ''Shadow Rising'', but it has been postponed indefinitely since 2009 now basically in part due to the ''Robotech'' live-action project (which itself is in DevelopmentHell). This probably ties into TheChrisCarterEffect territory as well.
DevelopmentHell.
* ''Anime/RahXephon'' suffers a wee bit from this. The nature of the Mulians, the secret conspiracy, the nature of the world, why the main character is TheChosenOne and exactly what the chosen one ''does'' isn't aren't particularly well-explained.
**
well-explained. TheMovie certainly helps to tidy up a few things, although but it is an AlternateContinuity.
*** Also,
AlternateContinuity. {{Fanon}} resolves the rest, as seen [[http://www.khantazi.org/Rec/Anime/MuTimeline.html some fan-based research]] (which contains WEAPONS GRADE SPOILERS) proceeds to produce a [[WordOfDante satisfactory]] [[{{Fanon}} conclusion]] to any niggling doubts one may have.
here]] ''(major spoiler warning)''.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'' feels like this, thanks to its has a tendency to introduce plot points that slip into RedHerring twists: the Abandoned Dorm in season 1, the war between the Light of Destruction and the Duel Monsters in season 2, Yubel being stuck in Judai's head in season 3, and the entire ending of season 4 all give hints of being explored and resolved at a later date, but none of them actually do. Justified for are. Season 4, as it was a half-season with rushed production due 4's problem could be attributed to the main character's voice actor having to leave the show early.
suddenly leaving, which left a rushed production and half a season.
* ''Manga/{{Negima}}'' gained several levels of complexity once the Magic World arc started, and the massive BackStory started to come into play, in addition to various subplots involving the and minor characters. characters kept picking up additional subplots. It's generally kept under control though... until the series' finale, where most of the subplots are either left hanging or explained away in a single panel, several important questions about the main MythArc are never addressed, and the protagonist's main motivation gets a resolution... is resolved entirely off-panel.



* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' introduced various plots in the span of a few chapters, and few of them get explained for a while if ever. The mangaka juggles various parallel plot points, giving each only a few panels of attention before moving to the next, leading you to reread chapters just to keep a handle on what is going on. It [[TropesAreNotBad works somewhat better]] in the manga than in the anime, but only ''just''.
* ''Manga/AoiHana'', by the same author as ''Wandering Son'', is also getting there. The story is becoming a jumble of romantic entanglements, intrigues and problems with family and friends, and several plot points have already been either ignored or cut off abruptly. The author is also not above setting up important story arcs, just to halt them and concentrate on a seemingly irrelevant subplot.
* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' and ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' both fall into this, though they tie up most of their loose ends. This is in part because their storytelling makes a [[AnachronicOrder mockery of chronology]] and in part because they are both adaptations of ongoing light novels (though the extra episodes clear up some lingering questions). Long story short, these are ''good'' examples of this trope.

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* ''Manga/WanderingSon'' introduced various plots in the span of a few chapters, and few of them get explained for a while while, if ever. The mangaka juggles various parallel plot points, giving each only a few panels of attention before moving to the next, leading you to reread chapters just to keep a handle on what is going on. It [[TropesAreNotBad works somewhat better]] in the manga than in the anime, but only ''just''.
* ''Manga/AoiHana'', by the same author as ''Wandering Son'', is also getting there. The story is becoming a jumble of romantic entanglements, intrigues intrigues, and problems with family and friends, and several friends. Several plot points have already been either ignored or cut off abruptly. The author is also not above setting up important story arcs, arcs just to halt them and concentrate on a seemingly irrelevant subplot.
* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'' and ''LightNovel/{{Durarara}}'' both fall into this, though they tie up most of their loose ends. This is in part because their storytelling makes a [[AnachronicOrder mockery of chronology]] and in part because they are both adaptations of ongoing light novels (though the extra episodes clear up some lingering questions). Long story short, these are ''good'' They're still positive examples of this trope.



* A common criticism ''VisualNovel/OokamiKakushi'' faces is that while the main mystery of the series is solved, several others--such as [[IllGirl Kaori's]] mysterious illness or [[spoiler: her eventual role as a White Wolf Kanon]]--are left to the imagination of those who did not read the VN.

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* A common criticism ''VisualNovel/OokamiKakushi'' faces is that while the main mystery of the series is solved, several others--such others -- such as [[IllGirl Kaori's]] mysterious illness or and [[spoiler: her eventual role as a White Wolf Kanon]]--are Kanon]] -- are left to the imagination of those who did not read the VN.VisualNovel.



** The reference to Aizen having done something on a mental or emotional level to Orihime that will make her his even when she's not his physical prisoner, or the implication that she can do something to destroy the Hougyoku.
** The mysterious research Szayel was engaged in that both Aizen and Mayuri seemed to find so fascinating (which included two mysterious bodies that have finally been identified [[spoiler: as former Privaron Espada, Dordoni and Cirucci]] after nearly 290 chapters).

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** The reference to Aizen having done something on a mental or emotional level to Orihime that will make her his even when she's not his physical prisoner, or has a couple of unresolved references, including the implication that she can do something to destroy the Hougyoku.
Hougyouku and that Aizen did ''something'' to her that essentially made her his emotional prisoner.
** The mysterious research Szayel was engaged in that both Aizen and Mayuri seemed to find so fascinating (which included two mysterious bodies that have finally been identified [[spoiler: as former [[spoiler:former Privaron Espada, Dordoni and Cirucci]] after nearly 290 chapters).




* It should be said that ''Manga/OnePiece'' is an example, and an excellent one at that. This is partly unavoidable, as unlike some works that develop this, ''One Piece'' was intended to be long, and indeed is long. REALLY long. At over 700 chapters, it is one of the longest ongoing Mangas ever, and easily one of the the most popular being the #1 most popular in Japan, and being part of ''Magazine/ShonenJump'''s Big 3 (alongside ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' and ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''). This can be taken as a sign that its many criss-crossing plot threads, that can seem thoroughly tangled... are exactly what its fans ask for (or that they are perfectly OK with, and indeed, most consider it well done). A lot of this is due to the fact that if you were to read it from the very beginning, it's surprisingly easy to keep track of everything. On the flip side, miss even one chapter and you could become irrevocably lost until you read what you missed. This, and the sheer ArchivePanic it can induce to get into it has turned more than a few people away from the series.

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\n* It should be said that ''Manga/OnePiece'' is an a positive example, and an excellent one as it is a ridiculously LongRunner at that. This is partly unavoidable, as unlike some works that develop this, ''One Piece'' was intended to be long, and indeed is long. REALLY long. At over 700 chapters, it is chapters with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters -- and thus a ton of plot threads that will take a long time to come together. It's also one of the longest ongoing Mangas ever, and easily one of the the most popular being the #1 most popular in Japan, and being part mangas of ''Magazine/ShonenJump'''s Big 3 (alongside ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' and ''Manga/{{Bleach}}''). This can be taken as a sign all time, so fans are much more patient with it. It helps that its many criss-crossing plot threads, that can seem thoroughly tangled... are exactly what its fans ask for (or that they are perfectly OK with, and indeed, most consider it well done). A lot of this is due to the fact that if as long as you were to read it from the very beginning, don't miss any chapters, it's surprisingly easy to keep track of everything. On the flip side, miss even one chapter and you could become irrevocably lost until everything that's going on if you read what you missed. This, and the sheer ArchivePanic it can induce to get into it has turned more than a few people away from the series.beginning.



* ''Audioplay/BigFinishDoctorWho'': Every Creator/BigFinish plotline spawns sequels, prequels and spinoff series. Which in turn may get their own spinoff series. Standalone arcs have prose sequels, PerspectiveFlip special releases (which aren't available from Creator/BigFinish at all), and links to other ''Series/DoctorWho'' media. The Doctor will merrily take a vacation in ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics locations, meet up with Franchise/IrisWildthyme and reference future events from the new TV series -- which only serve as fuel for new plotlines. Every trilogy has [[TrilogyCreep at least four parts]], and villains or companions from the early 2000's have a tendency to return a decade later for an entirely new story. In short, every little piece of Creator/BigFinish is connected and constantly growing.

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* ''Audioplay/BigFinishDoctorWho'': Every Creator/BigFinish plotline spawns sequels, prequels and spinoff series. Which These in turn may get their own spinoff series. Standalone arcs have prose sequels, PerspectiveFlip special releases (which aren't available from Creator/BigFinish at all), and links to other ''Series/DoctorWho'' media. The Doctor will merrily take a vacation in ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics locations, meet up with Franchise/IrisWildthyme Franchise/IrisWildthyme, and reference future events from the new TV series -- which only serve as fuel for new plotlines. Every trilogy has [[TrilogyCreep at least four parts]], and villains or companions from the early 2000's have a tendency to return a decade later for an entirely new story. In short, every little piece of Creator/BigFinish is connected and constantly growing.



* ''ComicBook/XMen'': Creator/ChrisClaremont is famous in the comics community for the truly epic number of dangling plot threads amassed as a writer. Summed up hilariously in ''X-Men: The End'', an AlternateContinuity miniseries written by (of all people) Claremont himself that attempted, in one stroke, to resolve every dangling plot thread ever introduced in the entire ''X-Men'' meta-saga (many of which Claremont had created). As one might expect, the story grows exponentially more incomprehensible with every issue, culminating with a duel between Jean Grey and Cassandra Nova for control of the Phoenix Force.
** He is infamous enough for this that a formula dubbed "Claremont coefficient" was coined; it is calculated by dividing the number of plot points introduced by the number of ones followed up on. If the result is over 1 in most or all episodes, you have a Kudzu Plot.
** Although Claremont is deservedly notorious for this (essentially he planned out ''Uncanny X-Men'' as if he would be the writer forever, sometimes laying out plot threads that he didn't intend to come back to for ''over a decade''), the ''Comicbook/XMen'' line's Kudzu Plot actually became far worse after he left. Notorious dropped plots include Wolverine devolving into a noseless dog creature, Cannonball being revealed as a immortal "High-Lord", and Shatterstar being a comatose boy in a mental institution the whole time (as well as his and Rictor's relationship, which was finally confirmed ten years later.) The [[{{egregious}} nadir]] of this trend was probably the Onslaught Saga, in which dozens of hints were dropped about the villain's identity before anyone (meaning the ''writers'') had bothered figuring out who he actually was.
* ''ComicBook/SovereignSeven'': Also by Creator/ChrisClaremont and was ultimately the worst offender of all. It was nothing but an interconnected web of mysteries, and was canceled after three years with ''not one single plot point resolved''. Plus, it turned out to be the Seven were simply fanfiction written by citizens of Franchise/TheDCU. So it all never really happened.
** Which gets really complicated since ComicBook/PowerGirl joined the team. That entire part of her back story had to be erased (although considering the DorkAge she was in at the time, this wasn't a huge loss).
* ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'': It started up as just another ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' plot, but when it became the only decent comic book seller for Marvel comics during its run time in the middle of TheNineties, Marvel decided to keep it going beyond sanity. Editors and writers kept coming and going and each one had its own idea on how the plot should twist, including constant flip-flopping over which character was the real Spidey and which was the clone. It took about two years to kind of finish off the saga.

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* ''ComicBook/XMen'': Creator/ChrisClaremont is famous in the comics community for the truly epic number of dangling plot threads he amassed as a writer. Summed up hilariously He basically planned out many of the stories thinking he would be in ''X-Men: charge forever, and he took his sweet time getting to a resolution. The End'', an AlternateContinuity miniseries written by (of all people) Claremont himself end result is that attempted, in one stroke, to resolve every dangling plot thread ever introduced in [[TheChrisCarterEffect fans got impatient and stopped reading the entire ''X-Men'' meta-saga (many of which Claremont had created). As one might expect, the story grows exponentially more incomprehensible with every issue, culminating comics altogether.]] They even came up with a duel between Jean Grey and Cassandra Nova for control of the Phoenix Force.
** He is infamous enough for this that a formula
formula, dubbed the "Claremont coefficient" was coined; it is calculated coefficient", for a plotline's complexity: divive the number plot points introduced in an episode by dividing the number of plot points introduced by the number of ones followed up on. If resolved, and if the result is over 1 in most or all episodes, you have a Kudzu Plot.
** Although Claremont is deservedly notorious for this (essentially he planned out ''Uncanny X-Men'' as if he would be the writer forever, sometimes laying out was infamous for how far in advance Claremont planned things out, with some plot threads set up that he didn't intend planned to come get back to for ''over over a decade''), the ''Comicbook/XMen'' line's Kudzu Plot actually became far worse after he left. ''decade'' later. Notorious dropped plots include include: Wolverine devolving into a noseless dog creature, Cannonball being revealed as a an immortal "High-Lord", and Shatterstar being a comatose boy in a mental institution the whole time (as well as his and Rictor's relationship, which was finally confirmed ten years later.) (and in a relationship with Rictor). The [[{{egregious}} nadir]] nadir of this trend was probably the Onslaught Saga, in which he dropped dozens of hints were dropped about the villain's identity before anyone (meaning -- including the ''writers'') other writers -- had bothered figuring out decided who he actually was.
* ''ComicBook/SovereignSeven'': Also by Creator/ChrisClaremont and ** ''ComicBook/SovereignSeven'' was ultimately the not an ''X-Men'' comic, but it was perhaps Claremont's worst offender of all. offender. It was nothing but an interconnected web of mysteries, and mysteries which was canceled after three years with ''not one without a single plot point resolved''. Plus, it turned out to be resolved. It was eventually resolved by showing that the Seven were simply whole thing was fanfiction written by citizens of Franchise/TheDCU. So it all never really happened.
Franchise/TheDCU.
** Which gets really complicated since ComicBook/PowerGirl joined Claremont himself poked fun at this in ''X-Men: The End'', an AlternateContinuity miniseries where he attempted to resolve every dangling plot thread in the team. That entire part of her back ''X-Men'' meta-saga in a single stroke. As one might expect, the story had to be erased (although considering grows exponentially more incomprehensible in every issue, culminating in a duel between Jean Grey and Cassandra Nova for control of the DorkAge she was in at the time, this wasn't a huge loss).
Phoenix Force.
* ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'': It ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga'' started up as just another ''Comicbook/SpiderMan'' plot, but when it became the only decent comic book seller for Marvel comics during its run time in the middle of TheNineties, mid-1990s, Marvel decided to keep it going beyond sanity. going, sanity be damned. Editors and writers kept coming and going and going, each one had its with his own idea on how the plot should twist, including constant flip-flopping over which character was the real Spidey and which was the clone. It took about two years to kind of finish off the saga.



* The last few story arcs of ''ComicBook/StrangersInParadise'' suffer from this, as Moore originally planned a completely different ending but [[TooSoon decided to change it after 9/11]].
* ''Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'': A writer named Ken Penders was attributed with starting multiple story arcs and never ever finishing them for whatever reason. This is actually a case of MisBlamed, as most of those arcs were created by Karl Bollers when he temporarily replaced Penders as head writer. The arcs would typically go on for years with little or no development; the few that would eventually get wrapped up would finish out with the bare minimum of information, leaving an extremely large number of dangling plot threads. When Penders and Bollers left Archie Comics (Penders after 19 years of employment there), the new writer, Ian Flynn, spent almost his entire first year writing comics that tied up all the loose ends.
* ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', dear ''Lord''. Even if you ignore the fact that most of it was shunted in CanonDiscontinuity and slapped with a LetUsNeverSpeakOfThisAgain moratorium on future references by the editors when ''Comicbook/FinalCrisis'' rolled around, leading to loads of {{Aborted Arc}}s stemming from the massive amount of tie-in material in almost every regular DC title; there's also the fact that it hiked FourLinesAllWaiting UpToEleven, and as a result was so schizophrenic, bizarre, convoluted, and bewildering, that ''the characters themselves'' became frustrated when trying to explain their situations to each other.
* The early 1980s series ''ComicBook/DCChallenge'' was this, if not ''by design'', then certainly by the expectations of anyone with a quarter of a brain. It was a miniseries in which the hook was that each issue was done by a different writer and artist, none of whom could use any characters on which they "normally" worked (unless they literally ''had'' to because it was set up that way by the previous issue, in which case they were supposed to shunt "their" characters off to the side as quickly as possible). Each issue was supposed to end with a cliffhanger/puzzle for the next team to solve, and it was supposed to be solvable using either clues in the story itself or well-known abilities of existing DC characters (e.g. "Superman can fly" or "Flash can run really fast"). It reached Gordian Knot status by about the third issue.

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* The last few story arcs of ''ComicBook/StrangersInParadise'' suffer from this, as Moore Creator/AlanMoore originally planned a completely different ending but [[TooSoon decided to change it after 9/11]].
* ''Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'': A writer named ''Comicbook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' had a ton of dangling plot threads that wouldn't be resolved for the longest time. Writer Ken Penders was attributed with starting multiple story arcs and never ever finishing them is often MisBlamed for whatever reason. This is actually a case all this, but part of MisBlamed, as most of those arcs were created by the blame also goes to Karl Bollers when he temporarily Bollers, who replaced Penders as head writer. The writer briefly and started a ton of story arcs that he would typically go on for years with little or no development; the few that would eventually never get wrapped up would finish out with the bare minimum of information, leaving an extremely large number of dangling plot threads. When around to finishing. After Penders and Bollers left Archie Comics (Penders after 19 years of employment there), the Comics, new writer, writer Ian Flynn, Flynn spent almost his entire first a year just writing comics that tied up all the loose ends.
* ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', dear ''Lord''. Even if you ignore the fact ''Comicbook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'' was basically killed by this. FourLinesAllWaiting was taken UpToEleven, resulting in a story so bizarre and convoluted that most of it even the characters themselves would get frustrated trying to explain their situations to each other. It was shunted in CanonDiscontinuity and slapped with a LetUsNeverSpeakOfThisAgain moratorium on future references by the editors so bad that when ''Comicbook/FinalCrisis'' rolled itself came around, leading to loads of {{Aborted Arc}}s stemming from the massive amount writers agreed to LetUsNeverSpeakOfThisAgain, shunted off ''Countdown'' to CanonDiscontinuity, and left a ton of tie-in material AbortedArcs hanging in almost every regular DC title; there's also the fact that it hiked FourLinesAllWaiting UpToEleven, and as a result was so schizophrenic, bizarre, convoluted, and bewildering, that ''the characters themselves'' became frustrated when trying to explain their situations to each other.
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* The early 1980s series ''ComicBook/DCChallenge'' was this, if not ''by design'', then certainly by the expectations of anyone with a quarter of a brain. It was a miniseries in which the hook was that each every issue was done by a different writer and artist, none of whom could use any characters on which they "normally" usually worked (unless they literally ''had'' to because it was set up that way by the previous issue, in which case they were supposed to shunt "their" characters off to the side as quickly as possible). on. Each issue was supposed to end with a cliffhanger/puzzle cliffhanger or puzzle for the next team to solve, and it was supposed to be solvable using either clues in the story itself or well-known abilities of existing DC characters (e.g. "Superman can fly" or "Flash can run really fast"). solve. It reached Gordian Knot status by about the third issue.issue and quickly became a confusing mess; it's uncertain if this was by design.



* ''Fanfic/LightAndDarkTheAdventuresOfDarkYagami'' throws in so many [[ShockingSwerve bizarre plot twists]] that it's impossible to figure things out. But [[TrollFic given the kind]] [[CrackFic of story it is]], it's not a bad thing.
* ''FanFic/MyImmortal'': has the plot going from Ebony's sex life, to being tasked with killing Vampire [[Literature/HarryPotter Potter]] by Voldemort, to battling Voldemort, to battling ephebophiles Snap and Lupin, to sex life, sex life, sex life, to time travel and back to sex.
* Stories in [[FanFic/RealityChecksNyxverse The Nyxverse]] have a tendency to start off simply, then undergo CerebusSyndrome and become increasingly more complicated. This is especially true in the case of ''Nyx's Family'', which was originally meant to be a oneshot but ended up ''over thirty chapters'' long, with a plot that bore no resemblance to what it started as.
* ''Fanfic/TheChase'': Given the author's name, this shouldn't be surprising. You have characters introduced left and right, some stay, some don't, and others that you thought were gone weren't really gone at all and others that you thought would never go end up changing forever. There is foreshadowing EVERYWHERE, especially when you're not looking for it. A good rule of thumb when reading this, If you think you understand something, then you're likely mistaken. Your mileage may vary on the story's overall quality though.
* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' quickly becomes this trope as the GambitPileup becomes larger, the characters become more fleshed out (most notably [[spoiler: Venus and Tephiroth]] and [[spoiler: [[LukeIAmYourFather Maledict's relationship with Sonic]]]]) and the story begins to focus on the very complicated politics and conspiracies behind the Metarex War. Episode 74 basically revolves around [[ApocalypticLog explaining]] and [[TheReveal revealing]] what is going on - it's the longest chapter by quite a large margin [[spoiler: and even it doesn't fully explain everything]]. This trope is also part of the reason for the author's frequent ScheduleSlip for the rewrite - he is trying to organize everything together.
** The rewrite ditches and retcons quite a bit of expository material from the original, specifically to keep a clear central story arc and to avoid TheChrisCarterEffect.
* ''Fanfic/RoyalHeights'' has a multitude of dilemmas and hidden secrets that deal with the school and the city it exists in. Even the antagonist is trying to figure out a broader mystery about the Universe and if it does have some form of caretaker that's normally addressed as the Mother. The main cast tends to be annoyed by this what with them trying to solve one problem only to have it linked to something else completely different.

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* ''Fanfic/LightAndDarkTheAdventuresOfDarkYagami'' throws in so many [[ShockingSwerve bizarre plot twists]] that it's impossible to figure things out. But [[TrollFic given the kind]] [[CrackFic of story it is]], it's that's not a bad thing.
* ''FanFic/MyImmortal'': has the ''FanFic/MyImmortal'''s plot going goes all over the place, from Ebony's sex life, to being tasked Voldemort tasking Ebony with killing Vampire [[Literature/HarryPotter Potter]] by Voldemort, Vampire Potter]], to battling Voldemort, to battling ephebophiles Snap and Lupin, to sex life, sex life, sex life, more sex, to time travel travel, and back to sex.
* Stories in [[FanFic/RealityChecksNyxverse The the Nyxverse]] have a tendency to start off simply, then undergo CerebusSyndrome and become increasingly more complicated. This is especially true in the case of ''Nyx's Family'', which was originally meant to be a oneshot but ended up ''over thirty chapters'' long, with a plot that bore no resemblance to what it started as.
* ''Fanfic/TheChase'': Given the author's name, this shouldn't be surprising. You have characters introduced left and right, some stay, some don't, and others that you thought were gone weren't really gone at all and others that you thought would never go end up changing forever. There is foreshadowing EVERYWHERE, ''everywhere'', especially when you're not looking for it. A good rule of thumb when reading this, If is that if you think you understand something, then you're likely mistaken. Your mileage may vary on the story's overall quality though.
* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' quickly becomes this trope as the GambitPileup becomes larger, the characters become more fleshed out (most notably [[spoiler: Venus and Tephiroth]] and [[spoiler: [[LukeIAmYourFather Maledict's relationship with Sonic]]]]) and the story begins to focus on the very complicated politics and conspiracies behind the Metarex War. Episode 74 basically revolves around [[ApocalypticLog explaining]] and [[TheReveal revealing]] what is going on - it's the longest chapter by quite a large margin [[spoiler: and even it doesn't fully explain everything]]. This trope is also part of the reason for the author's frequent ScheduleSlip for the rewrite - he is trying to organize everything together.
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** The * ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' quickly becomes this trope as the GambitPileup becomes larger, the characters become more fleshed out, and the story begins to focus on the very complicated politics and conspiracies behind the Metarex War. Episode 74 basically revolves around [[ApocalypticLog explaining]] and [[TheReveal revealing]] what is going on; it's the longest chapter by quite a large margin [[spoiler:and even it doesn't fully explain everything]]. This trope is also part of the reason for the author's frequent ScheduleSlip for the rewrite -- he is trying to organize everything together. There's a rewrite that ditches and retcons quite a bit of expository material from the original, specifically to keep a clear central story arc and to avoid TheChrisCarterEffect.
* ''Fanfic/RoyalHeights'' has a multitude of dilemmas and hidden secrets that deal with the school and the city it exists in. Even the antagonist is trying to figure out a broader mystery about the Universe and if it does have some form of caretaker that's normally addressed as the Mother. The main cast tends to be annoyed by this what with them trying this, as they try to solve one problem only to have it linked to something else completely different.



* PlayedForLaughs in ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForceColonMovieFilmForTheaters'' - during the second half of the movie, particularly during the last 10 minutes, a pile-up of revelations concerning the characters' origins occurs to the point where the only one left remotely excited about anything in the end is Meatwad. To clarify, it's revealed (or claimed) that:
** [[spoiler: Dr Weird invented the Insaneoflex to build up someone's muscles, so he could steal them and use them to fight Frylock.]]
** [[spoiler: Frylock created Dr Weird, despite thinking vice versa.]]
** [[spoiler: Dr Weird created the rest of the Aqua Teens.]]

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForceColonMovieFilmForTheaters'' - during the second half of the movie, particularly during the last 10 ten minutes, as a pile-up of revelations concerning the characters' origins occurs to the point where the only one left remotely excited about anything in the end is Meatwad. To clarify, it's revealed (or claimed) that:
** [[spoiler: Dr Dr. Weird invented the Insaneoflex to build up someone's muscles, so he could steal them and use them to fight Frylock.]]
** [[spoiler: Frylock created Dr Dr. Weird, despite thinking vice versa.]]
** [[spoiler: Dr Dr. Weird created the rest of the Aqua Teens.]]



* ''Film/TheRoom'' is ''extremely'' guilty of this. There are several subplots thrown in, but none of them are ever resolved. Examples include Lisa's mother offhandedly mentioning she has breast cancer, a character's drug-related debt which ends in a violent confrontation on a rooftop, and, in the most infamous scene, all of the male characters playing football in tuxedos. None of these subplots are ever mentioned again nor are they given any sort of closure or impact the plot in any way.

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* ''Film/TheRoom'' is ''extremely'' guilty of this. There are this, throwing in several subplots thrown in, but none of them are ever resolved. Examples include and never resolving them, including Lisa's mother offhandedly mentioning that she has breast cancer, a character's drug-related debt which ends culminating in a violent confrontation on a rooftop, and, in the most infamous scene, all of confrontation, and the male characters playing football in tuxedos. None of these subplots These events are ever never mentioned again nor are again, but they given any sort of closure or also don't impact the plot in any way.way either.



* ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' suffers badly from this. In telling Roland's history, a good four hundred something pages is dedicated to a love interest of Roland's and how it helped start what is undoubtedly the most catastrophic war in the history of everything, yet only one chapter is devoted to its final battle, one sentence describes how it ended, and one sentence describes how Roland survives. Roland's parents only make one or two appearances, John Farson never shows up, and the fates of Alain and Cuthbert are practically {{Hand Wave}}d. In the main plot, ContinuityDrift is blatant, {{anticlimax}}es are everywhere, and there are so many flimsy explanations and {{Plot Hole}}s.
** Stephen King stated in a recent interview that he would be writing another ''Dark Tower'' novel, which would take place between books 4 (''Wizard and Glass'') and 5 (''Wolves of the Calla''). It is reasonable to assume he will be expounding on the aforementioned plot holes and dangling storylines.
** To be fair, '''WAY''' back when the ''Dark Tower'' was first released, King said that he intended to write a decalogy. Somewhere along the line he lost three books; which left a lot of early plot hanging.
** Not to mention, King's near-death-by-car-crash radically altered the last three books. (The main characters are ''present'' at the accident.)
** The comic book adaptation starts as an adaptation of the main flashback of ''Wizard and Glass'', then continues to cover Roland's life up through and beyond the Battle of Jericho Hill.
* The ''Literature/HyperionCantos'' turns into this at the end of the first book. It starts off strange when the nature of the Time Tombs are explored in greater detail. It gets a bit weird when it introduces the Technocore, the way it functions, and its ambitions. It goes right off the deep end when ''every single plot element from the entire book is linked together in a matter of ten pages.'' Have fun with the next one.
* ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', with the side effect of grinding the later books to a halt as the same (admittedly huge) amount of book is split across a massively increased number of plot threads. The 12th and final book was supposed to tie off many of the loose ends, but then the [[AuthorExistenceFailure author died]].
** The last book is being finished by another author though. So we might actually see those ends tied up after all. In the attempt to do so the final book's word estimate now stands at around 800,000, around 2 times or more than the already DoorStopper series is used to, leading to the publishers splitting it into 3 books.
** It is worth noting that Robert Jordan actually didn't ''want'' to resolve all of the plotlines by the end of the story, as that would make it feel too much like a self-contained world that ends with the last book, whereas he wanted it to feel like the story never really ends, only the books do. He was quite clear that he wanted some plotlines left dangling at the end, not as hooks for sequels, but for realism purposes.

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* ''Franchise/TheDarkTower'' suffers badly from this. In telling Roland's history, a good four hundred something pages is dedicated to a love interest of Roland's and how it helped start what is undoubtedly the most catastrophic war in the history of everything, yet only one chapter is devoted to its final battle, one sentence describes how it ended, and one sentence describes how Roland survives. Roland's parents only make one or two appearances, John Farson never shows up, and the fates of Alain and Cuthbert are practically {{Hand Wave}}d. In the main plot, ContinuityDrift is blatant, {{anticlimax}}es are everywhere, and there are so many flimsy explanations and {{Plot Hole}}s.
** Stephen King stated
Hole}}s. Much of this can be attributed to Creator/StephenKing changing up the plot of the last three books following his near-fatal car accident, and an original plan to write ten books rather than seven. He claimed in a recent an interview that he would be writing might write another ''Dark Tower'' novel, which would take book taking place in between books 4 (''Wizard and Glass'') and 5 (''Wolves of to resolve the Calla''). It is reasonable to assume he will be expounding on the aforementioned plot holes and dangling storylines.
** To be fair, '''WAY''' back when the ''Dark Tower'' was first released, King said that he intended to write a decalogy. Somewhere along the line he lost three books; which left a lot of early plot hanging.
** Not to mention, King's near-death-by-car-crash radically altered the last three books. (The main characters are ''present'' at the accident.)
** The comic book adaptation starts as an adaptation of the main flashback of ''Wizard and Glass'', then continues to cover Roland's life up through and beyond the Battle of Jericho Hill.
loose ends.
* The ''Literature/HyperionCantos'' turns into this at the end of the first book. It starts off strange when the nature of the Time Tombs are is explored in greater detail. It gets a bit weird weirder when it introduces the Technocore, the way it functions, and its ambitions. It goes right off the deep end when ''every single plot element from the entire book is linked together in a matter of ten pages.'' Have fun with the next one.
* ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', with the side effect of grinding the later books to a halt as the same (admittedly huge) amount of book is split across a massively increased number of plot threads. The 12th Author Creator/RobertJordan outright admitted to not wanting to resolve all the plot threads, thinking that it was more realistic for things not to be so self-contained. He did plan to resolve many of them in the twelfth and final book was supposed to tie off many of the loose ends, book, but then the [[AuthorExistenceFailure he died.]] The author died]].
** The last book is being finished by another author though. So we might actually see those ends tied up after all. In the attempt
who replaced him needed ''three'' books to do so the final book's word estimate now stands at around 800,000, around 2 times or more than the already DoorStopper series is used to, leading to the publishers splitting it into 3 books.
** It is worth noting that Robert Jordan actually didn't ''want'' to resolve all of the plotlines by the end of the story, as that would make it feel too much like a self-contained world that ends with the last book, whereas he wanted it to feel like the story never really ends, only the books do. He was quite clear that he wanted some plotlines left dangling at the end, not as hooks for sequels, but for realism purposes.
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* Creator/RogerZelazny's ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfAmber'' series. The first five volumes tell a reasonably self-contained story that ties off tolerably well. The second five introduce enough new characters to double the size of the cast, retcon numerous elements of the first series, and more runs out of steam than actually ends. (That is then followed up by some short stories that mostly serve to complicate things further.) Apparently Zelazny planned to write another five volumes, but [[AuthorExistenceFailure died before he had a chance to tie everything up]], though.
* The Literature/NewJediOrder had Han and Leia's son Jacen as a GodModeSue, Centerpoint Station (a space station in the Corellian system) able to destroy stars, and Han's cousin Thrackan out of prison. Oh, did I mention Luke no longer believes in TheDarkSide because a Jedi from the old Order told him it didn't exist? Jacen doesn't either, and he's adopting a "broader" view of the Force. (All of this is resolved in ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', along with a few attempts to fake ChekhovsGun. [[spoiler: Jacen's a Sith, Luke realizes TheDarkSide is real, and Han joins up with the Fetts to take down his cousin.]]
** ''Legacy of the Force'' also saw the destruction of Centerpoint Station... which lead to [[Literature/FateOfTheJedi an entirely new series]] ([[spoiler:It turned out Centerpoint was holding a bunch of black holes in place, which were in turn keeping an Eldritch Abomination sealed in her can.]]) which left a few thread of its own unresolved. The ''Fate of the Jedi'' threads (along with whatever was happening in Literature/StarWarsCrucible) may ''never'' get resolved, since the Disney takeover has made the entire ExpandedUniverse dubiously canon at best.

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* Creator/RogerZelazny's ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfAmber'' series. series: The first five volumes tell a reasonably self-contained story that ties off tolerably well. The second five introduce enough new characters to double the size of the cast, retcon {{retcon}} numerous elements of the first series, and more runs doesn't end so much as run out of steam than actually ends. (That is steam. They are then followed up by some short stories that mostly serve to complicate things further.) further. Apparently Zelazny planned to write another five volumes, but [[AuthorExistenceFailure died before he had a chance to tie everything up]], though.
up]].
* The Literature/NewJediOrder ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' books had a ton of dangling plot threads, including a space station that could destroy stars, Han's cousin who's out of prison, Luke denying the very existence of TheDarkSide, and Han and Leia's son Jacen as becoming a GodModeSue, Centerpoint Station (a space station in the Corellian system) able to destroy stars, and Han's cousin Thrackan out of prison. Oh, did I mention Luke no longer believes in TheDarkSide because a Jedi from the old Order told him it didn't exist? Jacen doesn't either, and he's GodModeSue who's adopting a "broader" view of the Force. (All of this is resolved in ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', along with a few attempts force. ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'' tries to fake ChekhovsGun. [[spoiler: Jacen's a Sith, Luke realizes TheDarkSide is real, resolve all this, and Han joins up with the Fetts to take down his cousin.]]
** ''Legacy of the Force''
it mostly does, but it also saw the destruction of Centerpoint Station... which lead to [[Literature/FateOfTheJedi an entirely new series]] ([[spoiler:It turned out Centerpoint was holding series ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'', which introduced a bunch of black holes in place, which were in turn keeping an Eldritch Abomination sealed in her can.]]) which left a few thread of its own unresolved. The ''Fate of the Jedi'' new plot threads (along with whatever was happening in Literature/StarWarsCrucible) may ''never'' get resolved, since which will now likely never be resolved after the Disney takeover has made Creator/{{Disney}} takeover, which essentially mooted most of the entire ExpandedUniverse dubiously canon at best.ExpandedUniverse.
3rd Jul '16 10:06:31 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** That said, ''Shadow Chronicles'' itself ended on a cliffhanger like the original series, with the fate of an extremely important character hanging in the balance instead of merely unknown, another alien faction with very ominous intentions ready to raise some hell, and humanity and their allies really screwed at the moment. It doesn't help that this was supposed to be the beginning of a new chapter for the franchise and nothing much has happened since. And that's before taking into account the legal problems the franchise is having, which makes any kind of satisfying future resolution or closure to the story very unlikely; there is a planned sequel, ''Shadow Rising'', but it has been postponed indefinitely since 2009 in part due to the Warner Bros. ''Robotech'' live-action project (which itself is in DevelopmentHell). This probably ties into TheChrisCarterEffect territory as well.

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** That said, ''Shadow Chronicles'' itself ended on a cliffhanger like the original series, with the fate of an extremely important character hanging in the balance instead of merely unknown, another alien faction with very ominous intentions ready to raise some hell, and humanity and their allies really screwed at the moment. It doesn't help that this was supposed to be the beginning of a new chapter for the franchise and nothing much has happened since. And that's before taking into account the legal problems the franchise is having, which makes any kind of satisfying future resolution or closure to the story very unlikely; there is a planned sequel, ''Shadow Rising'', but it has been postponed indefinitely since 2009 in part due to the Warner Bros. ''Robotech'' live-action project (which itself is in DevelopmentHell). This probably ties into TheChrisCarterEffect territory as well.
3rd Jul '16 9:59:24 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' suffered from this in the end. Most things were left unanswered, like where is [=SDF3=] and what are shadows. Thankfully, ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' resolved most of them.
** Except that ''Shadow Chronicles'' ended on a cliffhanger, like the original series, with the fate of an extremely important character hanging in the balance instead of unknown, another alien faction with very ominous intentions ready to raise some hell, and humanity and their allies really screwed at the moment. It doesn't help that this was supposed to be the beginning of a new chapter for the franchise and nothing much has happened since. And that's before taking into account the legal problems the show is having, which makes any kind of future resolution or closure to the story either very unlikely or hard without extreme Willing Suspension of Disbelief. This probably ties into The Chris Carter Effect territory as well.
** There is a planned sequel, ''Shadow Rising''; but it is postponed indefinitely due as of 2009 due to the Warner Bros Robotech live-action project. Tommy announced recently that the public should expect a 2015 release.

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* ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'' suffered from this in the end. Most things were left unanswered, like where "Where is [=SDF3=] the SDF-3? and what "What are shadows.'Shadows'?". Thankfully, ''WesternAnimation/RobotechTheShadowChronicles'' resolved most of them.
** Except that That said, ''Shadow Chronicles'' itself ended on a cliffhanger, cliffhanger like the original series, with the fate of an extremely important character hanging in the balance instead of merely unknown, another alien faction with very ominous intentions ready to raise some hell, and humanity and their allies really screwed at the moment. It doesn't help that this was supposed to be the beginning of a new chapter for the franchise and nothing much has happened since. And that's before taking into account the legal problems the show franchise is having, which makes any kind of satisfying future resolution or closure to the story either very unlikely or hard without extreme Willing Suspension of Disbelief. This probably ties into The Chris Carter Effect territory as well.
** There
unlikely; there is a planned sequel, ''Shadow Rising''; Rising'', but it is has been postponed indefinitely due as of since 2009 in part due to the Warner Bros Robotech Bros. ''Robotech'' live-action project. Tommy announced recently that the public should expect a 2015 release.project (which itself is in DevelopmentHell). This probably ties into TheChrisCarterEffect territory as well.
3rd Jul '16 7:35:47 PM nombretomado
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* While not too complex, all the plot threads in the ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' serials are definitely difficult to keep track of. During the course of the '08, '09 and '10 stories, they "advanced" as the following:

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* While not too complex, all the plot threads in the ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' serials are definitely difficult to keep track of. During the course of the '08, '09 and '10 stories, they "advanced" as the following:
27th Jun '16 1:45:47 AM ZeroSD
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* ''Webcomic/WapsiSquare'', is a long running strip that started slice of life with a good sized cast, develops a supernatural plot with it's own castmembers, multiple of whom are immortal, and even aside from the time-loop plot there's a lot going on in it's impressive timeline! Minor plotlines and characters are known to be shuffled off at times, sometimes to appear again years later, and the supernatural aspects of the setting have only gotten more development with time.
This list shows the last 10 events of 165. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.KudzuPlot