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26th May '17 3:58:53 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* The "Leviathan" is described in the Literature/BookOfJob (Ch. 41, all of it) in the Old Testament of Literature/TheBible, and referenced elsewhere. Unlike most sea creatures, the Leviathan has an affinity for fire or something reasonably similar. Job 41:8 ("Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.") seems to either indicate a reasonably high encounter survival rate, considering that this creature is essentially a seagoing dragon, or a very low one ("do no more" as in dead). [[spoiler: The usual naturalistic interpretation is a Nile crocodile, which fits everything but the fire breathing.]]

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* The "Leviathan" is described in the Literature/BookOfJob (Ch. 41, all of it) in the Old Testament of Literature/TheBible, and referenced elsewhere. Unlike most sea creatures, the Leviathan has an affinity for fire or something reasonably similar. Job 41:8 ("Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.") seems to either indicate a reasonably high encounter survival rate, considering that this creature is essentially a seagoing dragon, or a very low one ("do no more" as in dead). [[spoiler: The usual naturalistic interpretation is a Nile crocodile, which fits everything but the fire breathing.]]]] References to Leviathan elsewhere in the Bible give a completely different description; a monstrous serpent with multiple heads.
19th May '17 2:20:42 PM Bleazy02
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** The largest fish to ever live was actually the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leedsichthys Leedsichthys]], which would match the shark in size even after its size was reduced. The monster filter feeder itself is a bit of a ''Liopleurodon'', the size being a topic of debate due to the lack of fossil evidence, but all sizes either rival the largest sea animals, or dwarf them.
11th May '17 1:46:42 AM EbrithilBowser
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* Pirate folk band Vroudenspil have a song called Leviathan on their album "Fauler Zauber".
6th May '17 10:55:25 PM Theriocephalus
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** One that cannot be confronted, but can at least be found alive, is whatever The Eye belongs to. The aforementioned eye is bigger than some islands you visit, while the rest is thankfully unseen. One hopes whatever it belongs to doesn't feel like actually moving any time soon, for such a thing even stirring in its sleep would likely destroy several miles of zee-floor.

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** One that cannot be confronted, but can at least be found alive, is whatever The the Eye belongs to. The aforementioned eye is bigger than some islands you visit, while the rest is thankfully unseen. One hopes whatever it belongs to doesn't feel like actually moving any time soon, for such a thing even stirring in its sleep would likely destroy several miles of zee-floor.



* In ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} Ben 10]]'', a semi-aquatic Kraken is a MonsterOfTheWeek that terrorizes the coast [[MonsterIsAMommy because someone stole its eggs]]. Interestingly, it's never explained if it is in fact an alien or just an unknown terrestrial species.

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* In ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Ben10}} Ben 10]]'', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', a semi-aquatic Kraken is a MonsterOfTheWeek that terrorizes the coast [[MonsterIsAMommy because someone stole its eggs]]. Interestingly, it's never explained if it is in fact an alien or just an unknown terrestrial species.



** There's a fossil whale species named ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livyatan_melvillei Livyatan melvillei]] (from the Hebrew spelling of whale (who is the origin of the word leviathan) and the author of Moby Dick). And it is pretty [[http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/30/1277901299026/Artists-impression-of-gia-002.jpg scary-looking.]]

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** There's a fossil whale species named ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livyatan_melvillei Livyatan melvillei]] melvillei]]'' (from the Hebrew spelling of whale (who is the origin of the word leviathan) and the author of Moby Dick). And it is pretty [[http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/30/1277901299026/Artists-impression-of-gia-002.jpg scary-looking.]]



* Also, the Mosasaurs of the Cretaceous. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylosaurus Tylosaurus]] could be nearly fifty feet long (the largest species could reach 59 feet), and was the top predator of its time. Given that they were closely related to monitor lizards, and may have given rise to snakes, these are the closest things to mythical sea serpents that we're likely to find.

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* Also, the Mosasaurs of the Cretaceous. [[https://en.''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylosaurus Tylosaurus]] Tylosaurus]]'' could be nearly fifty feet long (the largest species could reach 59 feet), and was the top predator of its time. Given that they were closely related to monitor lizards, and may have given rise to snakes, these are the closest things to mythical sea serpents that we're likely to find.
6th May '17 10:33:36 PM Theriocephalus
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** Generally speaking, Leviathans are massive whale- and serpent-like creatures, and not always limited to the water -- [[FlyingSeafoodSpecial nearly a third of printed leviathan creatures are airborne]]. Krakens, by contrast, are much more varied in appearance, generally being based on cephalopods but often blending in crustacean and vertebrate limbs and body plans.



** Outside of the actual Kraken and Leviathan creature types, there are creatures like absolutely ''gigantic'' [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=%21Colossal+Whale whales]] and the legendary octopus [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=%21Lorthos%2C+the+Tidemaker Lorthos, the Tidemaker,]] a monster from Zendikar and incidentally the beast summoned by Kiora to take down the Eldrazi titans. [[spoiler: It didn't work. The titan Kozilek tore it half when they fought.]]

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** Outside of the actual Kraken and Leviathan creature types, there are creatures like absolutely ''gigantic'' [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=%21Colossal+Whale whales]] and the legendary octopus [[http://magiccards.info/query?q=%21Lorthos%2C+the+Tidemaker Lorthos, the Tidemaker,]] Tidemaker]], a monster from Zendikar and incidentally the beast summoned by Kiora to take down the Eldrazi titans. [[spoiler: It didn't work. The titan Kozilek tore it half when they fought.]]]] Also, while most serpent creatures (mixes in various amounts of snakes and long-bodied fish) are fairly sedate in size, some are easily as big as true krakens and leviathans.
5th May '17 5:27:53 AM Theriocephalus
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* In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', the Naboo ocean seems to be filled with monsters each getting bigger and bigger as you go deeper and considering the fact that the planet is meant to be hollow and full of ocean that gets you some pretty big fish. Also the oceans of Kamino. Ah hell, any planet with an ocean in the Galaxy Far Far Away is bound to have sea monsters in it.

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* In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', ''Film/StarWarsThePhantomMenace'', the Naboo ocean seems to be filled with monsters each getting bigger and bigger as you go deeper and considering the fact that the planet is meant to be hollow and full of ocean that gets you some pretty big fish.fish. The biggest -- the Sando Aqua Monsters -- are in a class of their own: their official description puts them at between 160 and 200 meters long, meaning their maximum size is over ''six times'' a blue whale's thirty meters. Also the oceans of Kamino. Ah hell, any planet with an ocean in the Galaxy Far Far Away is bound to have sea monsters in it.



* ''Film/StarWarsThePhantomMenace'': While most of the monsters that live in Naboo's subterranean oceans are pretty big in their own right, the Sando Aqua Monsters that prey on the other sea monsters with impunity are in a class of their own -- their official description puts them at between 160 and 200 meters long, meaning their maximum size is over ''six times'' a blue whale's thirty meters.
26th Apr '17 8:42:22 AM Theriocephalus
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* ''Film/StarWarsThePhantomMenace'': While most of the monsters that live in Naboo's subterranean oceans are pretty big in their own right, the Sando Aqua Monsters that prey on the other sea monsters with impunity are in a class of their own -- their official description puts them at between 160 and 200 meters long, meaning their maximum size is over ''six times'' a blue whale's thirty meters.
1st Apr '17 9:29:40 PM Theriocephalus
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They'll live in the deepest depths and their appearances are saved for the end of days when the world is to be shattered by their movements. If they're not {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, they're the next best thing. There will be little shyness about their inspirations, they'll be unabashedly named after the Norse legend of Kraken or the biblical Leviathan. The Kraken tends to take the form of a [[CombatTentacles tentacle laced]] GiantSquid or octopus, while the Leviathan is more variable, ranging from a colossal whale to a massive sea serpent. However, since OurMonstersAreDifferent, the title of kraken or leviathan may be given to all kinds of terrors of the deep.

The leviathan in the bible is often taken to be a view of a whale and is sometimes translated directly as whale. (Intriguingly the "big fish" that swallowed Jonah was often interpreted as a whale or leviathan but nowadays people are having a lot of fun with it as a {{Megalodon}}.) Indeed, the modern Hebrew word for whale is לויתן, or leviathan. Strangely, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan actual biblical description of a leviathan]] suggests that it has legs and is able to move on land, and seems to refer to armour plates or scales (in fact, if one ignores the WordOfDante and the [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]], it sounds quite like a crocodile).

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They'll live in the deepest depths and their appearances are saved for the end of days when the world is to be shattered by their movements. If they're not {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, they're the next best thing. There will be little shyness about their inspirations, they'll be unabashedly named after the Norse legend of Kraken or the biblical Leviathan. The Kraken tends to take the form of a [[CombatTentacles tentacle laced]] tentacle-laced]] GiantSquid or octopus, while the Leviathan is more variable, ranging from a colossal whale to a massive sea serpent. However, since OurMonstersAreDifferent, the title of kraken or leviathan may be given to all kinds of terrors of the deep.

The leviathan Leviathan in the bible Bible is often taken to be a view of a whale and is sometimes translated directly as whale. (Intriguingly the "big fish" that swallowed Jonah was often interpreted as a whale or leviathan but nowadays people are having a lot of fun with it as a {{Megalodon}}.) Indeed, the modern Hebrew word for whale is לויתן, or leviathan. Strangely, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan actual biblical description of a leviathan]] suggests that it has legs and is able to move on land, and seems to refer to armour plates or scales (in fact, if one ignores the WordOfDante and the [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]], it sounds quite like a crocodile).
20th Mar '17 5:57:36 PM Theriocephalus
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* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', The Lurker Below, a boss in Serpentshrine Cavern raid whose in game model and is actually called "kraken". Its brethren are called kraken as well.
** In Cataclysm, however, there is the more traditional (i.e. giant squid) kraken Ozumat. And that's not even mentioning Nespirah... who is a giant... underwater... something.
*** Also from the same expansion, the Whale Shark. Nearly ten million hit points, quarter million damage bites and an achievement for killing this beast ''just because you CAN'', in other words, you have to kill him specifically for the {{Bragging Rights Reward}} since he doesn't gives loot of any kind.
*** Mists of Pandaria have a few of their own as well. Three squid with the same model as Ozumat -- one involved in a quest chain, another swimming in the waters off the coast of Townlong Steppes, and a third seen beached on the coast of the Thunder King's Island. As well as a giant boss eel (and its children) that drops a {{Bragging Rights Reward}}.

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* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'':
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The Lurker Below, a boss in Serpentshrine Cavern raid whose in game model and is actually called "kraken". Its brethren are called kraken as well.
** In Cataclysm, ''Cataclysm'', however, there is the more traditional (i.e. giant squid) kraken Ozumat. And that's not even mentioning Nespirah... who is a giant... underwater... something.
*** Also from ** From the same expansion, the Whale Shark. Nearly ten million hit points, quarter million damage bites and an achievement for killing this beast ''just because you CAN'', in other words, you have to kill him specifically for the {{Bragging Rights Reward}} since he doesn't gives loot of any kind.
*** Mists ** ''Mists of Pandaria have Pandaria'' has a few of their its own as well. Three squid with the same model as Ozumat -- one involved in a quest chain, another swimming in the waters off the coast of Townlong Steppes, and a third seen beached on the coast of the Thunder King's Island. As well as a giant boss eel (and its children) that drops a {{Bragging Rights Reward}}.
20th Mar '17 5:53:27 PM Theriocephalus
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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' world has buckets of these, as detailed in the Seas of Blood supplement to the early 90s naval warfare spin-off ''Man o' War'' and the 2011 Pirate-themed spin-off ''Dreadfleet''. ''Warhammer'''s giant sea monsters include the classic giant squid Kraken and the horrific Black Leviathan (a humongous deep-sea angler fish that could swallow small ships whole), as well as the Narwhal-like Behemoth, the giant crab Promethean the Sea Dragon, the giant merman Triton, the Sea Elemental and the giant shark Megalodon. Dreadfleet has its own zombie sea monsters -- the Sea Giant, Bone Hydra and Leechwyrm -- and even a ship made from the rotting undead carcass of an Orb Leviathan (possibly the same species as ''Man o' War'''s Black Leviathan, maybe not). Finally smaller, but still huge, sea monsters are available from Forge World to use in land-based Warhammer armies in the shape of the Merwyrm and its variants.

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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' world has buckets of these, as detailed in the Seas of Blood supplement to the early 90s naval warfare spin-off ''Man o' War'' and the 2011 Pirate-themed spin-off ''Dreadfleet''. ''Warhammer'''s giant sea monsters include the classic giant squid Kraken and the horrific Black Leviathan (a humongous deep-sea angler fish that could swallow small ships whole), as well as the Narwhal-like Behemoth, the giant crab Promethean the Sea Dragon, the giant merman Triton, the Sea Elemental and the giant shark Megalodon. Dreadfleet has its own zombie sea monsters -- the Sea Giant, Bone Hydra and Leechwyrm -- and even a ship made from the rotting undead carcass of an Orb Leviathan (possibly the same species as the Black Leviathan from ''Man o' War'''s Black Leviathan, War'', maybe not). Finally smaller, but still huge, sea monsters are available from Forge World to use in land-based Warhammer armies in the shape of the Merwyrm and its variants.
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