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23rd Aug '16 4:21:56 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** In game, the chief engineer of the ''Bortasqu''', Tarol, gripes that engineers and the like do all the hard work and the warriors get the credit. This is exemplified in "House Pegh" when [[spoiler:B'Eler, a member of said house, is able to figure out a way to turn Omega molecules against the Iconian T'Ket, allowing Kahless to wound it. However, Kahless gets all of the credit, despite the fact that he spent the entire battle at that point not even ''scratching'' the Iconian and [[StupidSacrifice ended up getting needlessly]] ''[[StupidSacrifice killed]]''.]]* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'':

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** In game, the chief engineer of the ''Bortasqu''', Tarol, gripes that engineers and the like do all the hard work and the warriors get the credit. This is exemplified in "House Pegh" when [[spoiler:B'Eler, a member of said house, is able to figure out a way to turn Omega molecules against the Iconian T'Ket, allowing Kahless to wound it. However, Kahless gets all of the credit, despite the fact that he spent the entire battle at that point not even ''scratching'' the Iconian and [[StupidSacrifice ended up getting needlessly]] ''[[StupidSacrifice killed]]''.]]* ]]
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23rd Aug '16 4:21:33 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* In ''Literature/HaloTheColeProtocol'', we learn that the Sangheili despise doctors, because the species views blood as something sacred that should only be spilled from battle, but doctors cause you to bleed without honor. This bites them in the butt [[AndThenWhat after the war ends]], when they learn [[CripplingOverspecialization just how crippling it is]] for their entire species to be all {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s.
** This comes up with the Warrior-Servant caste in ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga''. Forerunner society has ideals of nonviolence, so Warriors are a pretty low class, but the Warriors are obviously necessary to save the citizenry from any threats others might pose. [[spoiler:Subverted when it turns out Warriors used to be at the top of social pyramid, but their ruthless tactics led to the xenocide of the Precursors, and thus their caste was demoted to one of the lowest as punishment.]]






** In game, the chief engineer of the ''Bortasqu''', Tarol, gripes that engineers and the like do all the hard work and the warriors get the credit. This is exemplified in "House Pegh" when [[spoiler:B'Eler, a member of said house, is able to figure out a way to turn Omega molecules against the Iconian T'Ket, allowing Kahless to wound it. However, Kahless gets all of the credit, despite the fact that he spent the entire battle at that point not even ''scratching'' the Iconian and [[StupidSacrifice ended up getting needlessly]] ''[[StupidSacrifice killed]]''.]]

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** In game, the chief engineer of the ''Bortasqu''', Tarol, gripes that engineers and the like do all the hard work and the warriors get the credit. This is exemplified in "House Pegh" when [[spoiler:B'Eler, a member of said house, is able to figure out a way to turn Omega molecules against the Iconian T'Ket, allowing Kahless to wound it. However, Kahless gets all of the credit, despite the fact that he spent the entire battle at that point not even ''scratching'' the Iconian and [[StupidSacrifice ended up getting needlessly]] ''[[StupidSacrifice killed]]''.]]* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'':
** As first shown in ''Literature/HaloTheColeProtocol'', the Sangheili/Elites despise doctors, because the species views blood as something sacred that should only be spilled from battle, but doctors cause you to bleed without honor. This bites them in the butt [[AndThenWhat after the war ends]], when they learn [[CripplingOverspecialization just how crippling it is]] for their entire species to be all {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s; ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' shows that the Arbiter is making an effort to get his followers to shed their taboo against medical treatment.
** This comes up with the Warrior-Servant caste in ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga''. Forerunner society has ideals of nonviolence, so Warriors are a pretty low class, but the Warrior-Servants are obviously necessary to save the citizenry from any threats others might pose. [[spoiler:Subverted when it turns out Warrior-Servants used to be at the top of social pyramid, but their ruthless tactics led to the xenocide of the Precursors, and thus their caste was demoted to one of the lowest as punishment.
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21st Aug '16 12:26:14 PM nombretomado
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* Very much averted by the Ultimates in ''EclipsePhase''; their habitats have nearly as much space devoted to research as to training grounds and weapons manufacture and status can be granted via intellectual pursuits as well as battle prowess. After all they're [[{{Transhuman}} transhumanists]] like nearly everyone else who survived the fall and someone has to design the [[BioAugmentation mods]] that give them an edge over the lesser beings.

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* Very much averted by the Ultimates in ''EclipsePhase''; ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase''; their habitats have nearly as much space devoted to research as to training grounds and weapons manufacture and status can be granted via intellectual pursuits as well as battle prowess. After all they're [[{{Transhuman}} transhumanists]] like nearly everyone else who survived the fall and someone has to design the [[BioAugmentation mods]] that give them an edge over the lesser beings.
19th Aug '16 6:46:18 PM Yalsaris63
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** This supercilious glorification of the Warrior Caste at the expense of all the others comes back later in the official history to bite the Clans in their collective ass. [[spoiler: True to this trope, it's the Scientists who feel the most unappreciated, and a large, secret cabal of them end up leading a bloody revolt among many of the major Clans of note, costing untold lives and materiel and effectively destroying the Clans' aforementioned technology studies that made them military powerhouses.]] The lesson to be learned in all of this is that you must give your non-warrior castes the same brooding level of respect as your warrior peers lest you lead yourself destroying your own society faster than normal due to internal strife and your opponents will view you as a laughably inept faction who can't seem to answer its own basic needs of common necessities.

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** This supercilious glorification of the Warrior Caste at the expense of all the others [[TheDogBitesBack comes back later in the official history to bite the Clans in their collective ass. ass.]] [[spoiler: True to this trope, it's the Scientists who feel the most unappreciated, and a large, secret cabal of them end up leading a bloody revolt among many of the major Clans of note, costing untold lives and materiel and effectively destroying the Clans' aforementioned technology studies that made them military powerhouses.]] The lesson to be learned in all of this is that you must give your non-warrior castes the same brooding level of respect as your warrior peers lest you lead yourself destroying your own society faster than normal due to internal strife and your opponents will view you as a laughably inept faction who can't seem to answer its own basic needs of common necessities.
17th Aug '16 5:01:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* Subverted in ''VorkosiganSaga''. While soldiering is the most honored profession on Barrayar, the only reason technology is low is because of a natural disaster and they are racing to catch up fast. The Imperial Military Hospital ([=ImpMil=]) is proverbial on Barrayar and has won the respect of outsiders as well.

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* Subverted in ''VorkosiganSaga''.''Literature/VorkosiganSaga''. While soldiering is the most honored profession on Barrayar, the only reason technology is low is because of a natural disaster and they are racing to catch up fast. The Imperial Military Hospital ([=ImpMil=]) is proverbial on Barrayar and has won the respect of outsiders as well.
12th Aug '16 7:17:40 PM Premonition45
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-->-- '''Dr. Beverly Crusher''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''

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-->-- '''Dr. Beverly Crusher''', ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''
''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', "Suspicions"
26th Jul '16 3:44:30 PM Destreux
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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) [[UngratefulBastard Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.]]

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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) [[UngratefulBastard Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, [[UngratefulBastard the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.]]
26th Jul '16 3:28:07 PM Destreux
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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) [[UngratefulsBastard Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.]]

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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) [[UngratefulsBastard [[UngratefulBastard Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.]]
26th Jul '16 3:26:54 PM Destreux
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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.

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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) [[UngratefulsBastard Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.
bat'leth.]]
21st Jul '16 7:39:49 AM Morgenthaler
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* Todd the Wraith from ''Series/StargateAtlantis'', who is more akin to a scientist. Unlike [[AlwaysChaoticEvil other Wraith]], he recognises that foolishly gorging on human worlds means their food supply runs out faster and only leads to in-fighting between the Hives. In the last season, Todd even accepts the Atlantis team's help to find a way to rid his people of their [[WeaksauceWeakness dependency on having to feed]], being one of the [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch few Wraith to admit]] that it is a weakness that's impeding their growth as a species. There is a ''[[DangerouslyGenreSavvy reason]]'' why Todd is ''over 10,000 years old''. That said, he is backstabbed by his own people numerous times, either directly or indirectly.

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* Todd the Wraith from ''Series/StargateAtlantis'', who is more akin to a scientist. Unlike [[AlwaysChaoticEvil other Wraith]], he recognises that foolishly gorging on human worlds means their food supply runs out faster and only leads to in-fighting between the Hives. In the last season, Todd even accepts the Atlantis team's help to find a way to rid his people of their [[WeaksauceWeakness dependency on having to feed]], being one of the [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch few Wraith to admit]] that it is a weakness that's impeding their growth as a species. There is a ''[[DangerouslyGenreSavvy reason]]'' ''reason'' why Todd is ''over 10,000 years old''. That said, he is backstabbed by his own people numerous times, either directly or indirectly.



** Unsurprisingly, the most successful Clans are the ones who avert this trope, namely Clan Diamond Shark, Clan Star Adder, Clan Coyote, and Clan Ghost Bear. To a much lesser extent Clan Wolf before the Refusal War may count as another Clan to avert this trope due to their Warden philosophy and their MagnificentBastard Khan Ulric Kerensky [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy who knew how things actually worked in the realm of politics]].

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** Unsurprisingly, the most successful Clans are the ones who avert this trope, namely Clan Diamond Shark, Clan Star Adder, Clan Coyote, and Clan Ghost Bear. To a much lesser extent Clan Wolf before the Refusal War may count as another Clan to avert this trope due to their Warden philosophy and their MagnificentBastard Khan Ulric Kerensky [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy who knew how things actually worked in the realm of politics]].politics.
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