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9th Jan '16 4:16:29 AM Chabal2
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** Cowards, warriors who didn't die during combat and sorcerers are very much hated by Khorne, the biggest WarGod of the setting. Those pledged to him that fit in those categories (sorcerers are kidnapped instead) are denied WarriorHeaven, instead ending up chained for all eternity at the base of the Skull Throne, forging enchanted weapons and wargear for his chosen champions to use.
7th Jan '16 12:40:01 PM Mechamorph2
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*** Depending on the Chapter, this can be the situation for the Chapter Serfs.They are the logistical arm of the Space Marines and keep everything running since an Astartes is supposed to do nothing but fight, train to fight and maintain the weapons by which to fight. In some cases they man the Battle Barges that transport the Space Marines en masse to their staging grounds. While some Chapters treat their serfs with as much one of Humanity's Finest can afford a vanilla human, others pretty much regard their serfs as slaves.

*** Depending on the Chapter, this can be the situation for the Chapter Serfs.They are the logistical arm of the Space Marines and keep everything running since an Astartes is supposed to do nothing but fight, train to fight and maintain the weapons by which to fight. In some cases they man the Battle Barges that transport the Space Marines en masse to their staging grounds. While some Chapters treat their serfs with as much one of Humanity's Finest can afford a vanilla human, others pretty much regard their serfs as slaves.
7th Jan '16 12:39:14 PM Mechamorph2
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*** Depending on the Chapter, this can be the situation for the Chapter Serfs.They are the logistical arm of the Space Marines and keep everything running since an Astartes is supposed to do nothing but fight, train to fight and maintain the weapons by which to fight. In some cases they man the Battle Barges that transport the Space Marines en masse to their staging grounds. While some Chapters treat their serfs with as much one of Humanity's Finest can afford a vanilla human, others pretty much regard their serfs as slaves.
29th Dec '15 9:44:46 PM MadCat221
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** Averted if the Warden is a Mage in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. During the ending, First Enchanting Irving admits that he honestly never thought he'd live to see the day when the people of Ferelden would fill the streets, gladly cheering for a ''Mage'' who has become their saviour.
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** Averted if the Warden is a Mage in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. During the ending, First Enchanting Enchanter Irving admits that he honestly never thought he'd live to see the day when the people of Ferelden would fill the streets, gladly cheering for a ''Mage'' who has become their saviour.
29th Dec '15 9:36:45 PM MadCat221
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** Happens to humans too, via cultural shift. In a season one episode a group of humans who were frozen get thawed out, one of them being a financier. He has an especially hard time adjusting to his new life compared to the others, reason being that with Earth moving from a capitalistic to resource-rich society means that his profession is of little interest to people outside of historians. One of [[FixFic the novels]] has him find a niche as an ambassador to the Ferengi, which is the best of both worlds: the Federation respect him as a diplomat, and the Ferengi respect him as a shrewd man of business.
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** Happens to humans too, via cultural shift. In a season one episode a group of humans who were frozen get thawed out, one of them being a financier. He has an especially hard time adjusting to his new life compared to the others, reason being that with Earth moving from a capitalistic to resource-rich post-scarcity society means that his profession is of little interest to people outside of historians. One of [[FixFic the novels]] has him find a niche as an ambassador to the Ferengi, which is the best of both worlds: the Federation respect him as a diplomat, and the Ferengi respect him as a shrewd man of business.
29th Dec '15 9:33:58 PM MadCat221
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*** Averted with Leck, a [[ProudMerchantRaceGuy Ferengi]] "Eliminator" (read: assassin, he "eliminates competition") who's in it for the [[BloodKnight killing and combat]], not the profit. Other Ferengi are too afraid of him to show any disrespect.
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*** Averted with Leck, a [[ProudMerchantRaceGuy Ferengi]] "Eliminator" (read: assassin, assassin-for-hire, he "eliminates competition") who's in it for the [[BloodKnight killing and combat]], not the profit. Other Ferengi are too afraid of him to show any disrespect.
29th Dec '15 9:33:02 PM MadCat221
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*** Seeing the scorn his father went through for not making a profit, despite his skill with machinery, gives Nog the inspiration to sacrifice some of his Ferengi beliefs as he strives towards, and succeeds at, becoming the first Ferengi in Starfleet. He may not make much profit for himself, but he learns to adapt his cultural upbringing (trying to get people what they want, by any means necessary) to the Federation's more open-minded ideology, doing a great job of making sure that his captain gets exactly what he needs to keep his crew happy and to keep his ship running as well as it can by trading things that they didn't need). He does this so well that it suggests that had he chosen to become a profit-driven Ferengi, he would have been able to do that quite well. However, Starfleet is clearly his destiny: In one potential future, he's shown to be a respected ''captain.''
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*** Seeing the scorn his father went through for not making a profit, despite his skill with machinery, gives Nog the inspiration to sacrifice some of his Ferengi beliefs as he strives towards, and succeeds at, becoming the first Ferengi in Starfleet. He may not make much profit for himself, but he learns to adapt his cultural upbringing (trying to get people what they want, by any whatever means necessary) available) to the Federation's more open-minded ideology, doing a great job of making sure that his captain gets exactly what he needs to keep his crew happy and to keep his ship running as well as it can by trading things that they didn't need). He does this so well that it suggests that had he chosen to become a profit-driven Ferengi, he would have been able to do that quite well. However, Starfleet is clearly his destiny: In one potential future, he's shown to be a respected ''captain.''
28th Dec '15 3:55:56 PM lorgskyegon
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** It comes up all the time in the StarTrekKlingonEmpire novel series. Among the crew of the ''IKS Gorkon'', we find a doctor who is reviled by much of their society for recognizing that warriors without missing limbs and debilitating scars are more effective than those with them. Her suggestion of an artificial limb for her captain is outright refused (he's not a Borg, after all) and the compromise of an arm transplant from his dead father, while accepted by the captain, is looked at with horror by others. We also have the chief engineer, forced into the military by her family over her objections that designing better ships and weapons '''for''' the military is a better use of her talents. She's told that if she refuses to serve, she will be discommendated, which would ban her from working on those designs anyway..
8th Nov '15 1:53:33 PM Yalsaris63
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** This glorification of the Warrior Caste at the expense of all the others comes back later in the official history to bite the Clans in their collective ass. [[spoiler: True to this trope, it's the Scientists who feel the most unappreciated, and a large, secret cabal of them end up leading a bloody revolt among many of the major Clans of note, costing untold lives and materiel and effectively destroying the Clans' aforementioned technology studies that made them military powerhouses.]] The lesson to be learned in all of this is that you must give your non-warrior castes the same brooding level of respect as your warrior peers lest you lead yourself destroying your own society faster than normal due to internal strife and your opponents will view you as a laughably inept faction who can't seem to answer its own basic needs of common necessities.
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** This supercilious glorification of the Warrior Caste at the expense of all the others comes back later in the official history to bite the Clans in their collective ass. [[spoiler: True to this trope, it's the Scientists who feel the most unappreciated, and a large, secret cabal of them end up leading a bloody revolt among many of the major Clans of note, costing untold lives and materiel and effectively destroying the Clans' aforementioned technology studies that made them military powerhouses.]] The lesson to be learned in all of this is that you must give your non-warrior castes the same brooding level of respect as your warrior peers lest you lead yourself destroying your own society faster than normal due to internal strife and your opponents will view you as a laughably inept faction who can't seem to answer its own basic needs of common necessities.
5th Nov '15 2:17:24 PM HighCrate
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** Happens to humans too, via cultural shift. In a season one episode a group of humans who were frozen get thawed out, one of them being a financier. He has an especially hard time adjusting to his new life compared to the others, reason being that with Earth moving from a capitalistic to resource-rich society means that his profession is of little interest to people outside of historians.
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** Happens to humans too, via cultural shift. In a season one episode a group of humans who were frozen get thawed out, one of them being a financier. He has an especially hard time adjusting to his new life compared to the others, reason being that with Earth moving from a capitalistic to resource-rich society means that his profession is of little interest to people outside of historians. One of [[FixFic the novels]] has him find a niche as an ambassador to the Ferengi, which is the best of both worlds: the Federation respect him as a diplomat, and the Ferengi respect him as a shrewd man of business.
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