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9th Jan '17 5:26:14 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Webcomic/{{Whomp}}'': [[http://www.whompcomic.com/2011/08/01/the-smartest-klingon/ The Smartest Klingon]].

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* ''Webcomic/{{Whomp}}'': [[http://www.whompcomic.com/2011/08/01/the-smartest-klingon/ The Smartest Klingon]].Klingon.]]
9th Jan '17 5:25:37 PM WillKeaton
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Despite the name, this trope can be expressed a lot of ways. A [[ProudWarriorRace warrior culture]] may disdain the blacksmiths who make their weapons. A society of [[ProudScholarRaceGuy pure thinkers]] may consider all engineers to be menial laborers putting their high thoughts to work. A people of artists could see those who produce their art materials as unskilled proles. (The low-status communities in question might despise the mainstream right back, but, again, they might not) and all of them probably need people who get rid of trash and keep the environment clean. If this trope is part of AnAesop, then VetinariJobSecurity will kick in when the oppressed Hat-Maker takes a holiday.

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Despite the name, this trope can be expressed a lot of ways. A [[ProudWarriorRace warrior culture]] may disdain the blacksmiths who make their weapons. A society of [[ProudScholarRaceGuy pure thinkers]] may consider all engineers to be menial laborers putting their high thoughts to work. A people of artists could see those who produce their art materials as unskilled proles. (The The low-status communities in question might despise the mainstream right back, but, again, they might not) not, and all of them probably need people who get rid of trash and keep the environment clean. If this trope is part of AnAesop, then VetinariJobSecurity will kick in when the oppressed Hat-Maker takes a holiday.
6th Jan '17 2:23:33 PM DAMartin
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* [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} The Decepticons]] don't really go in for scientists. The number of named non-{{Redshirt}} scientists on their side can be counted by hand, and the few we see are distinctly of the [[MadScientist mad variety]], or are TheStarscream (literally).

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* [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} The Decepticons]] don't really go in for scientists. The number of named non-{{Redshirt}} scientists on their side can be counted by hand, and the few we see are distinctly of the [[MadScientist mad variety]], or are TheStarscream (literally).
(literally). A Botcon comic set in the BeastWars era introduces Fractyl, a sane Predacon scientist who, as expected, is treated like a coward by his peers.
4th Jan '17 3:56:30 PM ShorinBJ
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* In the ''Literature/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' novel ''Starfighters of Adumar'', the titular Adumari are utterly obsessed with starfighter pilots, putting them so high up in their society's social ladder in Adumari society that both the New Republic and Empire decide that the best diplomatic force to send are their top {{Ace Pilot}}s. A prominent example is supporting character Cheriss ke Hanadi: She was an indentured servant forced to labor in factories, and only managed to escape by becoming so renowned as a duelist she was able to make her living prize-fighting. However because of a physical disability (severe vertigo) that prevented her from being able to fly, she was still regarded as a second-class citizen ''at best'' in Adumari society.

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* In the ''Literature/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' novel ''Starfighters of Adumar'', the titular Adumari are utterly obsessed with starfighter pilots, putting them so high up in their society's social ladder in Adumari society that both the New Republic and Empire decide that the best diplomatic force to send are their top {{Ace Pilot}}s. A prominent example is supporting character Cheriss ke Hanadi: She was an indentured servant forced to labor in factories, and only managed to escape by becoming so renowned as a duelist she was able to make her living prize-fighting. However However, because of a physical disability (severe vertigo) that prevented her from being able to fly, she was still regarded as a second-class citizen ''at best'' in Adumari society.
21st Dec '16 3:03:13 PM Bissek
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** In the first ''Captain's Table'' novel, Kirk admits that the phrase "Klingon Research Facility" causes him to have the mental image of a Klingon warrior trying to split the atom with a bat'leth.
17th Dec '16 5:48:08 PM CaptainMar-Vell92
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* Averted with the Kree from Marvel Comics. Despite being a very militaristic society, they are also one of the most technologically advanced races in the Marvel Universe to the point of having an organic super computer, the Supreme Intelligence, as their leader.
17th Dec '16 2:00:42 AM eedwardgrey3
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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, [[UngratefulBastard the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.]]

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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption [[GeniusBruiser a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, [[UngratefulBastard the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.]]
8th Dec '16 6:40:22 AM DaibhidC
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* Naturally, this trope comes up quite a bit in the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' ExtendedUniverse novels:

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* Naturally, this trope comes up quite a bit in the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' ExtendedUniverse ''Franchise/StarTrekExpandedUniverse'' novels:



** It comes up all the time in the StarTrekKlingonEmpire novel series. Among the crew of the ''IKS Gorkon'', we find a doctor who is reviled by much of their society for recognizing that warriors without missing limbs and debilitating scars are more effective than those with them. Her suggestion of an artificial limb for her captain is outright refused (he's not a Borg, after all) and the compromise of an arm transplant from his dead father, while accepted by the captain, is looked at with horror by others. We also have the chief engineer (Kurak, referenced in the page quote), forced into the military by her family over her objections that designing better ships and weapons '''for''' the military is a better use of her talents. She's told that if she refuses to serve, she will be discommendated, which would ban her from working on those designs anyway..

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** It comes up all the time in the StarTrekKlingonEmpire ''Literature/StarTrekKlingonEmpire'' novel series. Among the crew of the ''IKS Gorkon'', we find a doctor who is reviled by much of their society for recognizing that warriors without missing limbs and debilitating scars are more effective than those with them. Her suggestion of an artificial limb for her captain is outright refused (he's not a Borg, after all) and the compromise of an arm transplant from his dead father, while accepted by the captain, is looked at with horror by others. We also have the chief engineer (Kurak, referenced in the page quote), forced into the military by her family over her objections that designing better ships and weapons '''for''' the military is a better use of her talents. She's told that if she refuses to serve, she will be discommendated, which would ban her from working on those designs anyway..
7th Dec '16 12:06:42 PM Theriocephalus
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* Amongst the [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orkish]] [[PlanetOfHats clans]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}},'' the Blood Axes are distrusted and derided due to their willingness to retreat from combat instead of dying pointlessly, hire themselves out as mercenaries to other races, adopt ([[HighlyVisibleNinja garish and clashing]]) camouflage, and generally use tactics more sophisticated than MoreDakka or [[AttackAttackAttack a frontal attack]]. In short, mainstream Orks consider them culturally contaminated by those "stinkin' 'umies!"

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'':
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Amongst the [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orkish]] [[PlanetOfHats clans]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}},'' clans]], the Blood Axes are distrusted and derided due to their willingness to retreat from combat instead of dying pointlessly, hire themselves out as mercenaries to other races, adopt ([[HighlyVisibleNinja garish and clashing]]) camouflage, and generally use tactics more sophisticated than MoreDakka or [[AttackAttackAttack a frontal attack]]. In short, mainstream Orks consider them culturally contaminated by those "stinkin' 'umies!"



*** Averted with the actual scientist oddboyz such as [[MadDoctor painboyz]] and [[MadScientist meks]], whose disciplines are rather more suited to combat (read: one patches you up and [[FrankensteinsMonster "improves" you whether you like it or not]]; the other makes [[MoreDakka huge, impractical, god-awesome guns]], vehicles and mechs that have a good chance of going boom).

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*** ** Averted with the actual scientist oddboyz such as [[MadDoctor painboyz]] and [[MadScientist meks]], whose disciplines are rather more suited to combat (read: one patches you up and [[FrankensteinsMonster "improves" you whether you like it or not]]; the other makes [[MoreDakka huge, impractical, god-awesome guns]], vehicles and mechs that have a good chance of going boom).
27th Nov '16 6:11:13 AM EDP
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*** Under the queens that succeeded Moldrock the scientists have less respect than you'd expect them after they took down Moldrock and then [[TheCincinnatus stood down from power]]. This is actually {{Justified}}: the queens have extremely powerful psychic powers and the will to keep them in check and rule fairly and peacefully, and everyone recognize that anyone being selected for the role is among Corona's finests.

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*** Under the queens that succeeded Moldrock the scientists have less respect than you'd expect them after they took down Moldrock and then [[TheCincinnatus [[{{Cincinnatus}} stood down from power]]. This is actually {{Justified}}: the queens have extremely powerful psychic powers and the will to keep them in check and rule fairly and peacefully, and everyone recognize that anyone being selected for the role is among Corona's finests.
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