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25th Jun '16 10:18:01 PM 10-13-2
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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.

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The people of the PlanetOfHats can adopt any of a thousand different hats as the one that their society values above all others. However, someone has to put on the "hat-maker" hat for the rest of the society to be able to wear their chosen hat. After all, [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Klingon warriors]] will need scientists to design their weapons and starships. (The possibility that someone can be ''[[TakeAThirdOption both]]'' [[TakeAThirdOption a warrior and a scientist]] [[FalseDichotomy doesn't seem to come up much]].) Yet, despite making the PlanetOfHats possible, the Klingon scientists get no respect because they aren't on the battlefield swinging a bat'leth.
21st Jun '16 8:53:35 AM dlchen145
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* In ''FanFic/RacerAndTheGeek'', ponies who use guns without being part of any official state group (military or police) are viewed by the general public with roughly the same distaste as serial killers. Some relate them to [[WouldHurtAChild foal killers]], regarded as [[DisproportionateRetribution going over the line]] even by the law, as Telny demonstrates when [[{{Jerkass}} Lightning Dust]] gets the business end of an assault rifle shoved in her face for making that accusation.[[note]]He's very lucky that he backs off a second later, because the slur is enough justification for homicide.[[/note]]

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* In ''FanFic/RacerAndTheGeek'', ponies who use guns without being part of any official state group (military or police) are viewed by the general public with roughly the same distaste as serial killers. Some relate them to [[WouldHurtAChild foal killers]], regarded as [[DisproportionateRetribution going over the line]] even by the law, as Telny demonstrates when [[{{Jerkass}} Lightning Dust]] gets the business end of an assault rifle shoved in her face for making that accusation.[[note]]He's very lucky that he backs off a second later, because the slur is enough justification for homicide.[[/note]]
4th Jun '16 4:34:11 AM Dingbot
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** It comes up all the time in the StarTrekKlingonEmpire novel series. Among the crew of the ''IKS Gorkon'', we find a doctor who is reviled by much of their society for recognizing that warriors without missing limbs and debilitating scars are more effective than those with them. Her suggestion of an artificial limb for her captain is outright refused (he's not a Borg, after all) and the compromise of an arm transplant from his dead father, while accepted by the captain, is looked at with horror by others. We also have the chief engineer, forced into the military by her family over her objections that designing better ships and weapons '''for''' the military is a better use of her talents. She's told that if she refuses to serve, she will be discommendated, which would ban her from working on those designs anyway..

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** It comes up all the time in the StarTrekKlingonEmpire novel series. Among the crew of the ''IKS Gorkon'', we find a doctor who is reviled by much of their society for recognizing that warriors without missing limbs and debilitating scars are more effective than those with them. Her suggestion of an artificial limb for her captain is outright refused (he's not a Borg, after all) and the compromise of an arm transplant from his dead father, while accepted by the captain, is looked at with horror by others. We also have the chief engineer, engineer (Kurak, referenced in the page quote), forced into the military by her family over her objections that designing better ships and weapons '''for''' the military is a better use of her talents. She's told that if she refuses to serve, she will be discommendated, which would ban her from working on those designs anyway..
21st May '16 9:00:37 PM DoctorCooper
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Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease Since this trope deals heavily with racial and cultural stereotypes, examples from real-world countries and cultures would be loaded with UnfortunateImplications. Suffice it to say that ''every'' society has had at least one job that is looked down upon by the culture at large while still being entirely necessary for that society to function.

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Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease Since this trope deals heavily with racial and cultural stereotypes, examples from real-world countries and cultures would be loaded with UnfortunateImplications. Suffice About real life, it is enough to say that ''every'' society has had at least one job that is looked down upon by the culture at large while still being entirely necessary for that society to function.
function. [[noreallife]]
3rd May '16 10:35:17 PM HighCrate
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* [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} The Decepticons]] don't really go in for scientists. The amount of named non-{{Redshirt}} scientists on their side can be counted by hand, and the few we see are distinctly of the [[MadScientist mad variety]], or are TheStarscream (literally).

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* [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} The Decepticons]] don't really go in for scientists. The amount number of named non-{{Redshirt}} scientists on their side can be counted by hand, and the few we see are distinctly of the [[MadScientist mad variety]], or are TheStarscream (literally).
2nd May '16 2:03:01 PM WillKeaton
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** There's a downplayed subversion in Videogame/{{Mass Effect 1}}: Saren has a krogan scientist in his employ that tragically gets no lines other than pleading with you not to destroy his work--while attacking you.

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** There's a downplayed subversion in Videogame/{{Mass ''Videogame/{{Mass Effect 1}}: 1}}'': Saren has a krogan scientist in his employ that tragically gets no lines other than pleading with you not to destroy his work--while attacking you.
2nd May '16 1:59:48 PM WillKeaton
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* In ''FanFic/RacerAndTheGeek'', ponies who use guns without being part of any official state group (military or police) are viewed by the general public with roughly the same distaste as serial killers. Some relate them to [[WouldHurtAChild foal killers]], regarded as [[DisproportionateRetribution going over the line]] even by the law, as Telny demonstrates when [[{{Jerkass}} Lightning Dust]] gets the business end of an assault rifle shoved in her face for making that accusation[[note]]who's very lucky that he backs off a second later, because the slur is enough justification for homicide[[/note]].

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* In ''FanFic/RacerAndTheGeek'', ponies who use guns without being part of any official state group (military or police) are viewed by the general public with roughly the same distaste as serial killers. Some relate them to [[WouldHurtAChild foal killers]], regarded as [[DisproportionateRetribution going over the line]] even by the law, as Telny demonstrates when [[{{Jerkass}} Lightning Dust]] gets the business end of an assault rifle shoved in her face for making that accusation[[note]]who's accusation.[[note]]He's very lucky that he backs off a second later, because the slur is enough justification for homicide[[/note]].homicide.[[/note]]
4th Apr '16 8:31:35 AM tromag
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**** Although this ''may'' be a sign of evolving Klingon society. In another episode, an [[OldSoldier aged Klingon warrior]] complains about how the old ways are dying, using Klingon restaurants serving aliens as a specific example.
21st Mar '16 2:23:06 PM ChrisTheS
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* Unicorns in ''Webcomic/StarMares'' are absolutely essential to the continued functioning of the Empire, as all Equestrian technology is ultimately powered by unicorn magic. However, largely due to the Secessionist faction being led by and consisting mostly of unicorns, they are banned from the Imperial military except as support staff and are generally given the dirtiest jobs, on the grounds that they don't actually have to touch anything icky so it's all right. Pegasi are similarly stigmatized, but since they control the most lucrative trade routes, they are not affected nearly as badly.
21st Mar '16 12:14:27 PM Ambaryerno
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* Comes up in ''Film/GetSmart.'' The agents of CONTROL who come up with the ShoePhone gadgets are frequently bullied by the agents. Subverted with Max himself: Larabee and Agent 91 are both friendly with him, and Agent 23 shows him a great deal of respect [[spoiler: (at least until it's revealed that he's TheMole)]]. 99 ''doesn't'' respect him at first, but not because he's an analyst. It's simply because he's TheDitz bordering on IdiotHero, and it takes her time to warm up to him personally.

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* Comes up in ''Film/GetSmart.'' The agents techs of CONTROL who come up with the ShoePhone gadgets are frequently bullied by the agents. Subverted with Max himself: Larabee and Agent 91 are both friendly with him, and Agent 23 shows him a great deal of respect [[spoiler: (at least until it's revealed that he's TheMole)]]. 99 ''doesn't'' respect him at first, but not because he's an analyst. It's simply because he's TheDitz bordering on IdiotHero, and it takes her time to warm up to him personally.
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