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14th Jun '18 7:13:54 PM intastiel
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* {{Inverted}} by the Aiel in Robert Jordan's ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' series. They are a [[ProudWarriorRace warrior society]], with their blacksmiths being the people who make their society work. Instead of being ridiculed, the blacksmiths are held in high regard and are protected in battle. When raiding other Aiel septs, harming a blacksmith is unheard of and brings great 'toh' upon yourself. Blacksmiths are also the last to pick up arms in battle with outsiders even though they know how to fight. They also cannot be made ''gai'shain'' (a form of indentured servitude prisoners of war must perform over a year and a day) given the great regard which the Aiel have for them.

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* {{Inverted}} by the Aiel in Robert Jordan's ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' series. They are a [[ProudWarriorRace warrior society]], with their blacksmiths being the people who make their society work. Instead of being ridiculed, the blacksmiths are held in high regard and are protected in battle. When raiding other Aiel septs, harming a blacksmith is unheard of and brings great 'toh' upon yourself.costs the assailant much honor. Blacksmiths are also the last to pick up arms in battle with outsiders even though they know how to fight. They also cannot be made ''gai'shain'' (a form of indentured servitude prisoners of war must perform over a year and a day) given the great regard which the Aiel have for them.


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* In ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'', the Shin people are humble pacifists, so warriors -- who exist only to destroy, in their philosophy -- are treated like chattel and very poorly regarded.
23rd May '18 7:20:24 AM Yozzy
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** Sanctioned psykers are essential to the Imperium of Man, since they provide navigators to guide fleets through [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace the Warp]], [[SubspaceAnsible Astropathic communication]], and incredibly powerful assets on the battlefield, yet most citizens treat them with a mixture of fear, hatred and, oddly enough, respect (because a Psyker must stand before The God-Emperor). This isn't entirely unjustified in a setting where a single Psyker's lapse of control can result in the LegionsOfHell spilling out into the material universe, and explains why ''un''sanctioned Psykers are [[BurnTheWitch burnt at the stake]] with the other mutants and deviants as per government policy.
** Averted with the actual scientists[[note]]as much as the term can be applied into their twisted unthinking, religiously dogmatic worship of rote memorization of old scientific discoveries[[/note]] in the Imperium, the Adeptus Mechanicus. They are absolutely necessary for keeping the Imperium technologically equipped since scientific knowledge has been all but lost to the rest of the human race, and it may as well be magic to them for what little they know of it. As such, the [=AdMech=] is given ''a lot'' of leeway, and they're pretty much a self-contained empire within an empire whose beliefs would actually be considered outright heresy by the rest of the Imperium if they didn't need them so much.

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** Sanctioned psykers Psykers (people with psychic powers) are essential to the Imperium of Man, since they provide navigators navigation to guide fleets through [[HyperspaceIsAScaryPlace the Warp]], [[SubspaceAnsible Astropathic FTL communication]], and incredibly powerful assets on the battlefield, yet most citizens treat them with a mixture of fear, hatred and, oddly enough, respect (because fear and hatred, and sometimes an odd measure of respect, since a sanctioned Psyker must stand before The God-Emperor).God-Emperor. This isn't entirely unjustified in a setting where a single Psyker's lapse of control can result in the LegionsOfHell spilling out into the material universe, and explains why ''un''sanctioned Psykers are [[BurnTheWitch burnt at the stake]] with the other mutants and deviants as per government policy.
** Averted Played with, with the actual scientists[[note]]as scientists in the Imperium,[[note]]as much as the term can be applied into their twisted to the an institution, where actual science is the outlier, in favor of twisted, unthinking, religiously dogmatic worship of rote memorization of old scientific discoveries[[/note]] in the Imperium, the Adeptus Mechanicus. They are absolutely necessary for keeping the Imperium technologically equipped since most scientific knowledge has been all but lost to the rest of the human race, and it may as well be magic race. And to them for what little they know the mechanicus, while many of it.its members are ignorant of the physics behind their technology, much of their senior staff have an understanding of technology [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane that makes their mysticism seem justified]]. As such, the [=AdMech=] is given ''a lot'' of leeway, and they're pretty much a self-contained empire within an empire whose beliefs would actually be considered outright heresy by the rest of the Imperium if they didn't need them so much. Given their level of independence and lack of oversight, the Mechanicus has become a shady, secretive organization that jealously guards their monopoly on technology and often pursues their own interest at the expense of other Imperial elements. The greater part of the Imperium distrusts the Mechanicus, sometimes for good reason, and the tension has caused outbreaks of violence on occasion.



** Cowards, warriors who didn't die during combat and sorcerers are very much hated by Khorne, the biggest WarGod of the setting. Those pledged to him that fit in those categories (sorcerers are kidnapped instead) are denied WarriorHeaven, instead ending up chained for all eternity at the base of the Skull Throne, forging enchanted weapons and wargear for his chosen champions to use.

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** Cowards, warriors who didn't die during combat combat, and sorcerers are very much hated by Khorne, the biggest WarGod of the setting. Those pledged to him that fit in those categories (sorcerers are kidnapped instead) are denied WarriorHeaven, instead ending up chained for all eternity at the base of the Skull Throne, forging enchanted weapons and wargear for his chosen champions to use.



** In the second game, we actually meet ''three'': Okeer, a warlord whom pretty much every other krogan speaks of with revulsion and disdain [[ScaleOfScientificSins due to nature of his experiment]] (but nevertheless succeeded in [[DesignerBabies creating]] the most badass krogan since Wrex himself) and Urdnot Fortack, whom Wrex assigns duties such as medicinal engineering and crop genetics. Fortack laments this by saying that krogan scientists are supposed to make things that explode. And finally, the krogan mechanic on Tuchanka, who complains that he never gets any respect for what he does, even though everything would fall apart if he wasn't there to fix it. Krogan mechanics working on other worlds do seem to get respect though.
--->'''Lord High Researcher Fortack''': My predecessor said no one would understand the true worth of my work. As I pulled my blade from his chest, I knew he was telling the truth.\\

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** In the second game, we actually meet ''three'': ''three'' scientifically inclined Krogan. The most prominent was Warlord Okeer, an old general who was also a warlord successful biologist or geneticist, whom pretty much every other krogan speaks of [[EvenEvilHasStandards with revulsion and disdain disdain]]. It's hinted that he may have been a war criminal of a sort that other Krogan couldn't stomach, but most of the hate is [[ScaleOfScientificSins due to nature of his experiment]] experiments]] (but nevertheless succeeded in [[DesignerBabies creating]] the most badass krogan since Wrex himself) and himself). Then came Urdnot Fortack, whom Wrex assigns who was assigned duties such as medicinal engineering and crop genetics. genetics; a duty Fortack laments this by laments, saying that krogan scientists are supposed to make things that explode. And finally, the krogan mechanic on Tuchanka, who complains that he never gets any respect for what he does, even though everything would fall apart if he wasn't there to fix it. Krogan mechanics working on other worlds do seem to get respect though.
--->'''Lord High Researcher Fortack''': My predecessor said no one would understand the true worth of my work. [[KlingonPromotion As I pulled my blade from his chest, chest]], I knew he was telling the truth.\\



** This also explains why [[MagneticHero even the nicest Paragon Shepard]] easily earns the krogans' respect; [[SubmissiveBadass if Wrex of all people was willing to follow them and defer to their command,]] [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking they must be doing something right.]] Bonus points if Shepard is an Engineer, on top of all that.

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** *** This also explains why [[MagneticHero even the nicest Paragon Shepard]] easily earns the krogans' respect; [[SubmissiveBadass if Wrex of all people was willing to follow them and defer to their command,]] [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking they must be doing something right.]] Bonus points if Shepard is an Engineer, on top of all that.
20th May '18 8:24:03 PM chopshop
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* ''WesternAnimation/VoltronLegendaryDefender'' gives this a MagicVersusScience spin; the normal Galra military are extremely dismissive and hostile towards Galra that become druids and witches, seeing them as untrustworthy jerks who are leading the emperor astray and disrespecting traditions. They’re key to collecting and wielding [[AppliedPhlebotinum quintessence]], but that doesn’t improve opinions much. Emperor Zarkon himself doesn’t seem to hold this view... though that doesn’t say much, since he basically HatesEveryoneEqually.
13th Apr '18 7:38:49 PM intastiel
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* In the ''Literature/HumanxCommonwealth'' series, the [=AAnn=] are Machiavellian [[TheReptilian reptilian aliens]] whose artistic community, the Tier of Ssaiinn, are considered outcasts and are not spoken of. However, their work is spectacular and highly prized, even among the [=AAnn=].
7th Feb '18 9:50:42 PM Tuckerscreator
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** As first shown in ''Literature/HaloTheColeProtocol'', the Sangheili/Elites despise doctors, because the species views blood as something sacred that should only be spilled from battle, but doctors cause you to bleed without honor. This bites them in the butt [[AndThenWhat after the war ends]], when they learn [[CripplingOverspecialization just how crippling it is]] for their entire species to be all {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s; ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' shows that the Arbiter is making an effort to get his followers to shed their taboo against medical treatment.
** This comes up with the Warrior-Servant caste in ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga''. Forerunner society has ideals of nonviolence, so Warriors are a pretty low class, but the Warrior-Servants are obviously necessary to save the citizenry from any threats others might pose. [[spoiler:Subverted when it turns out Warrior-Servants used to be at the top of social pyramid, but their ruthless tactics led to the xenocide of the Precursors, and thus their caste was demoted to one of the lowest as punishment.]]

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** As first shown in ''Literature/HaloTheColeProtocol'', the Sangheili/Elites despise doctors, because the species views blood as something sacred that should only be spilled from battle, but doctors cause you to bleed without honor. This bites them in the butt [[AndThenWhat after the war ends]], when they learn [[CripplingOverspecialization just how crippling it is]] for their entire species to be all {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s; Guy}}s. ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' shows that the Arbiter is making an effort to get his followers to shed their taboo against medical treatment. One Sangheili doctor in an audio log even mentions having to break the rules, working in secret and sedating patients, just to get them proper treatment.
** This comes up with the Warrior-Servant caste in ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga''. Forerunner society has ideals of nonviolence, so Warriors are a pretty low class, but the Warrior-Servants are obviously necessary to save the citizenry from any threats others might pose. [[spoiler:Subverted when it turns out Warrior-Servants used to be at the top of the social pyramid, but their ruthless tactics led to the xenocide of the Precursors, and thus their caste was demoted to one of the lowest as punishment.]]
7th Feb '18 1:26:26 PM thatother1dude
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** Averted with the actual scientist oddboyz such as [[MadDoctor painboyz]] and [[MadScientist meks]], whose disciplines are rather more suited to combat (read: one patches you up and [[FrankensteinsMonster "improves" you whether you like it or not]]; the other makes [[MoreDakka huge, impractical, god-awesome guns]], vehicles and mechs that have a good chance of going boom).

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** Averted with the actual scientist oddboyz such as [[MadDoctor painboyz]] and [[MadScientist meks]], whose disciplines are rather more suited to combat (read: one patches you up and [[FrankensteinsMonster [[UnwillingRoboticisation "improves" you whether you like it or not]]; the other makes [[MoreDakka huge, impractical, god-awesome guns]], vehicles and mechs that have a good chance of going boom).
29th Jan '18 8:46:32 AM MadCat221
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** Unsurprisingly, the most successful Clans are the ones who avert this trope, namely Clan Diamond Shark, Clan Star Adder, Clan Coyote, Clan Hell's Horses, and Clan Ghost Bear. To a much lesser extent, Clan Wolf before the Refusal War may count as another Clan to avert this trope due to their Warden philosophy and their MagnificentBastard Khan Ulric Kerensky who knew how things actually worked in the realm of politics.

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** Unsurprisingly, the most successful Clans are the ones who avert this trope, namely Clan Diamond Shark, Clan Star Adder, Clan Coyote, Clan Hell's Horses, and Clan Ghost Bear. To a much lesser extent, Clan Wolf before the Refusal War may count as another Clan to avert this trope due to their Warden philosophy and their MagnificentBastard Khan Ulric Kerensky who knew how things actually worked in the realm of politics. The Ghost Bears have a concept of "family" that, though not quite as closely interwoven as Inner Sphere Society's concept, makes fellow clansmen much more closely-knit than other clans. The Bears' scientist caste was notably the least penetrated by the aforementioned [[spoiler:disaffected scientist cabal.]]
25th Jan '18 8:36:59 PM Stinkoman87
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* Hayato Maeda of YuGiOhGX is going to Duel Academia to learn how to be a card designer, which is an important role for anyone that doesn't have the luxury of obtaining cards via magic. Nevertheless, he's in Osiris Red (making him a social pariah by default), and even was held back a year, all because he himself isn't a very good duelist.
7th Jan '18 7:44:39 AM Crino37
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Compare to HardOnSoftScience, where certain fields of study are mocked by more "serious" areas that may very well be connected or derived from them. See also CulturalRebel.

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Compare to HardOnSoftScience, where certain fields of study are mocked by more "serious" areas that may very well be connected or derived from them. See also Compare and contrast CulturalRebel.
7th Jan '18 7:43:31 AM Crino37
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Compare to HardOnSoftScience, where certain fields of study are mocked by more "serious" areas that may very well be connected or derived from them.

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Compare to HardOnSoftScience, where certain fields of study are mocked by more "serious" areas that may very well be connected or derived from them. \n See also CulturalRebel.
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