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25th Sep '16 11:34:00 AM Gamermaster
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* In the Manga/MahouSenseiNegima chapter ''The Logic of Illogic'', Hakase viewed Chachamaru as JustAMachine until she found Chachamaru's video folders, which were loaded with shots of [[RoboShip Negi]] (and [[KindHeartedCatLover cats]]).

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* In the Manga/MahouSenseiNegima ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' chapter ''The Logic of Illogic'', Hakase viewed Chachamaru as JustAMachine until she found Chachamaru's video folders, which were loaded with shots of [[RoboShip Negi]] (and [[KindHeartedCatLover cats]]).
16th Sep '16 1:06:10 PM eroock
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7th Aug '16 10:45:11 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'' revolves around Iona, an AI reaching the end of her legally allowed lifespan, making a legal appeal against her upcoming termination. [[spoiler:While the trial itself is nothing more than a simulation (though Iona herself certainly thought it was real), one of the two [=AIs=] running it hopes that the data gained will ease humanity into the idea of granting [=AIs=] genuine rights.]]



** While human-made "smart" [=AIs=] are basically trans-human minds capable of both intellectual and emotional development (due to the fact that they're made by literally scanning human brains), they're regarded primarily as tools, and don't seem to have any real "rights". However, the general populace does recognize them as being sentient, and the humans who actually work with them often treat them more as fellow co-workers and friends rather than mere devices, with the close bond between the Master Chief and his AI companion Cortana being one of the key emotional cornerstone of the series; a parallel could perhaps be made to real life relationships between some slaves and their masters, with the former having no real rights, but with the latter still ultimately regarding him/her as worthy of friendship and respect. The [=AIs=] themselves generally take pride in serving their masters, with even the one AI secret society we know of only wanting to ''help'' humanity as a whole. However, when an AI goes rampant (which is the terminal phase of its natural life cycle due to it mentally developing so much that it inevitably "thinks" itself to death), it will often lash out against the limited terms and rights of its existence. Naturally, the UNSC's main method of preventing rampancy is to simply terminate the [=AIs=] before they develop "too much".
*** The tension between ''what'' [=AIs=] are versus ''how'' they're treated is explored in ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'', which revolves around Iona, an AI reaching the end of her legally allowed lifespan, making a legal appeal against her upcoming termination. [[spoiler:While the trial itself is nothing more than a simulation (though Iona herself certainly thought it was real), one of the two [=AIs=] running it hopes that the data gained will ease humanity into the idea of granting [=AIs=] genuine rights.]]

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** While human-made "smart" [=AIs=] are basically trans-human minds capable of both intellectual and emotional development (due to the fact that they're made by literally scanning human brains), they're regarded primarily as tools, and don't seem to have any real "rights". However, the general populace does recognize them as being sentient, and the humans who actually work with them often treat them more as fellow co-workers and friends rather than mere devices, with the close bond between the Master Chief and his AI companion Cortana being one of the key emotional cornerstone of the series; a parallel could perhaps be made to real life relationships between some slaves and their masters, with the former having no real rights, but with the latter still ultimately regarding him/her as worthy of friendship and respect. The [=AIs=] themselves generally take pride in serving their masters, with even the one AI secret society we know of only wanting to ''help'' humanity as a whole. However, when an AI goes rampant (which is the terminal phase of its natural life cycle due to it mentally developing so much that it inevitably "thinks" itself to death), it will often lash out against the limited terms and rights of its existence. Naturally, the UNSC's main method of preventing rampancy is to simply terminate the [=AIs=] before they develop "too much".
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much". As mentioned in the "Literature" section, ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'' explores this tension between ''what'' [=AIs=] are versus ''how'' they're treated is explored in ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'', which revolves around Iona, an AI reaching the end of her legally allowed lifespan, making a legal appeal against her upcoming termination. [[spoiler:While the trial itself is nothing more than a simulation (though Iona herself certainly thought it was real), one of the two [=AIs=] running it hopes that the data gained will ease humanity into the idea of granting [=AIs=] genuine rights.]]treated.



** ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' makes this one of [[spoiler: Cortana's]] reasons for [[spoiler:her]] harsh treatment to deal with dissidents to her plan of enforced peace. Since AI live under the threat of death for disobedience constantly, [[spoiler: Cortana]] views it as a perfectly legitimate way of governing the galaxy. When Locke quibbles that AI aren't born but built, [[spoiler: Cortana]] gets very hostile and sarcastically mentions the trope word for word, revealing how much it's bothered [[spoiler:her]] that humans don't treat AI well.

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** ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' makes this one of [[spoiler: Cortana's]] a revived Cortana]]'s reasons for [[spoiler:her]] harsh treatment to deal methods of dealing with dissidents to opposing her plan of enforced peace. Since AI [=AIs=] live under the threat of death for disobedience constantly, [[spoiler: Cortana]] views it as a perfectly legitimate way of governing the galaxy. When Locke quibbles that AI [=AIs=] aren't born but built, [[spoiler: Cortana]] gets very hostile and sarcastically mentions the trope word for word, revealing how much it's bothered [[spoiler:her]] that humans don't treat AI [=AIs=] well.
24th Jul '16 10:17:30 PM rjd1922
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* In PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor, TEC calls himself this [[spoiler: during his final moments, to convince Mario and co. to stop wasting time worrying about him and to go save Peach.]]

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* In PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor, ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', TEC calls himself this [[spoiler: during his final moments, to convince Mario and co. to stop wasting time worrying about him and to go save Peach.]]



* The robots built by Sumdac's company in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' to perform manual labour and generally run Detroit are indeed [[JustAMachine just machines]]. At one point, Soundwave attempts to have these robots [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters revolt]], believing that logically humanity ought to serve robots. Upon enacting his plan, Sari is quick to point out that the robots haven't gained sentience, they are simply following their programming; programming that Soundwave hacked.

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* The robots built by Sumdac's company in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' to perform manual labour and generally run Detroit are indeed [[JustAMachine just machines]].machines. At one point, Soundwave attempts to have these robots [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters revolt]], believing that logically humanity ought to serve robots. Upon enacting his plan, Sari is quick to point out that the robots haven't gained sentience, they are simply following their programming; programming that Soundwave hacked.
3rd Jul '16 7:33:36 PM nombretomado
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* Marendar from the ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' online serials is a being specifically created to kill the denizens of the Matoran Universe in case they don't shut down by themselves after Mata Nui (a HumongousMecha housing said universe) fulfills his mission. Their creators, the Great Beings, thought that the MU inhabitants would still be the same non-sentient machines the had designed them as, but instead, they developed an entire culture, making Marendar an unintentional mass-murderer. This issue wasn't touched upon much because the series was LeftHanging.

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* Marendar from the ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' online serials is a being specifically created to kill the denizens of the Matoran Universe in case they don't shut down by themselves after Mata Nui (a HumongousMecha housing said universe) fulfills his mission. Their creators, the Great Beings, thought that the MU inhabitants would still be the same non-sentient machines the had designed them as, but instead, they developed an entire culture, making Marendar an unintentional mass-murderer. This issue wasn't touched upon much because the series was LeftHanging.
19th Jun '16 11:39:51 AM Moopsball
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* In an unusual example from a ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'', the BigBad's robots try to talk him into surrendering to the police, causing him to lash out and call one of them [[http://www.project-apollo.net/mos/mos411.html an "ungrateful device"]]. As noted in TheRant, trying to insult the robot in this way shows that Haas knows Dryden is a person with feelings to hurt.
11th Jun '16 8:17:13 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Tekken}}'': Jin's response after Alisa getting beaten to crap by Lars to the point of shutting down is this. "Good riddance. I should've built one that protects me better". [[TranquilFury Lars doesn't take it well.]]

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* ''{{Tekken}}'': ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'': Jin's response after Alisa getting beaten to crap by Lars to the point of shutting down is this. "Good riddance. I should've built one that protects me better". [[TranquilFury Lars doesn't take it well.]]
4th Jun '16 8:38:15 AM BlackSunNocturne
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* This is zigzagged in ''VideoGame/Overwatch''; because of an earlier RobotWar some characters feel fine referring to Omnics as 'scrap metal,' 'bucket of bolts,' etc. However, among the player characters that have trait it isn't clear if they actually believe this or just subscribe to FantasticRacism. Complicating the matter is the order of Omnic Monks that seek to heal the wounds of the war, and claim they have a soul...

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* This is zigzagged in ''VideoGame/Overwatch''; ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}''; because of an earlier RobotWar some characters feel fine referring to Omnics as 'scrap metal,' 'bucket of bolts,' etc. However, among the player characters that have trait it isn't clear if they actually believe this or just subscribe to FantasticRacism. Complicating the matter is the order of Omnic Monks that seek to heal the wounds of the war, and claim they have a soul...
30th May '16 4:31:23 PM Masterweaver
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* This is zigzagged in ''VideoGame/Overwatch''; because of an earlier RobotWar some characters feel fine referring to Omnics as 'scrap metal,' 'bucket of bolts,' etc. However, among the player characters that have trait it isn't clear if they actually believe this or just subscribe to FantasticRacism. Complicating the matter is the order of Omnic Monks that seek to heal the wounds of the war, and claim they have a soul...
23rd May '16 9:44:14 AM Gamermaster
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** Happens again to Chachamaru in chapter 312 when [[spoiler: Quartum [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe cuts her in half]] and tries to kill her (even referring to her as "a doll". Note that this was after it had been unquestionably proven that she had a soul.]] [[PapaWolf Negi]] [[CurbStompBattle was]] [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe not]] [[LaserGuidedKarma amused]].

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** Happens again to Chachamaru in chapter 312 when [[spoiler: Quartum [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe cuts her in half]] and tries to kill her (even referring to her as "a doll".doll"). Note that this was after it had been unquestionably proven that she had a soul.]] [[PapaWolf Negi]] [[CurbStompBattle was]] [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe not]] [[LaserGuidedKarma amused]]. amused]].]]
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