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16th Dec '16 3:19:11 PM MonsieurThenardier
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-->'''Ambassador Goyle:''' You can't be so naive to think that humanity is the only species investigating artificial intelligence!
-->'''Councilor Tevos:''' It is not naivete, but rather wisdom why we think this.
-->'''Councilor Valern:''' Your people were not here to see the fall of the quarians at the hands of the geth. The dangers of creating intelligent synthetic life, in any form, were never more clearly illustrated. Humanity simply doesn’t understand that the risks are just too great.
14th Dec '16 3:42:31 PM MonsieurThenardier
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** ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' continues the theme; both sympathetic and antagonistic characters have trouble with the idea of synthetics being truly "alive". You expect it from [[MadScientist Admiral Xen]], but it's more of a shock to hear from [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_VGuf7OpzE& Dr Chakwas]]. This line of thinking is prevalent to the point at which [[spoiler:deciding to let the quarians kill the geth meets with almost unanimous approval from your crew, with the exception of EDI and Liara (who considers the geth powerful allies but is undecided on whether they could achieve sentience)]].
*** Most of this boils down to the Geth Rebellion in the backstory. As far as the galaxy is concerned, trying to treat synthetic life with the same respect as organic life is inviting it to grow stronger, and the last time synthetics got any power... well, the quarians haven't seen their homeworld in going on three centuries. Of course, this is partly because the quarians lied to the rest of the galaxy as to the real reason for the rebellion. The geth didn't strike first. In fact, they were mostly being passively slaughtered and only took up arms to protect the quarians who were being killed for trying to protect the geth.

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** ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' continues the theme; both sympathetic and antagonistic characters have trouble with the idea of synthetics being truly "alive". You expect it from [[MadScientist Admiral Xen]], but it's more of a shock to hear from [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_VGuf7OpzE& Dr Chakwas]]. This line of thinking is prevalent to the point at which [[spoiler:deciding to let the quarians kill the geth meets with almost unanimous approval from your crew, with the exception of EDI the token AI teammate, EDI. Tali (who thinks the geth could have made good allies, and at that point was of the opinion that they were 'alive') and Liara (who considers the geth powerful allies but is undecided on whether they could achieve sentience)]].
sapience) express doubts about the necessity of killing them, but don't really disapprove]].
*** Most of this boils down to the [[{{Film/Terminator}} Terminator-esque]] Geth Rebellion War in the backstory. backstory, where the quarians made a decision to shut off the geth in fear of them growing sapient and more powerful, [[SelfFulfillingProphecy only for the geth]] (who were originally designed as weapons of war in addition to more mundane tasks) to strike back, win the resulting war, and then wipe out the quarians almost completely. As far as the galaxy is concerned, trying to treat synthetic life with the same respect as organic life is inviting it to grow stronger, and the last time synthetics got any power... power over organics... well, the quarians had 99.9% of their population slaughtered and haven't seen their homeworld in going on three centuries. Of course, this is partly because the quarians lied to the rest of the galaxy as to the real reason for the rebellion. The geth didn't strike first. In fact, they were mostly being passively slaughtered and only took up arms to protect the quarians who were being killed for trying to protect the geth.
28th Nov '16 3:03:58 PM kome360
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* This is the main plot of ''VideoGame/BinaryDomain'': due to the prevalence and necessity of robots in a flooded-coastline earth, a worldwide ban on creating robots designed to act like humans has been reinforced by R.U.S.T. Crews for forty years. Then one day, a suicide bomber tries to assassinate the president of the world's largest robotics corporation for creating ''him''. ''Thirty years ago''. Soon after, the US president's ''commanding general'' is revealed to also be a robot. Both are murdered without even blinking. Apparently, the secret to robot sentience is [[spoiler:fear and suffering in their core programming]].
** [[spoiler:Of course, the Hybrids are unquestionably capable of feeling emotions... but that doesn't stop the U.N. from issuing a kill order on them and their families]].
23rd Nov '16 11:03:31 PM Gamermaster
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* This was what the TSAB thought was the case with the Wolkenritter in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', even thought all of their actions during the season suggested the exact opposite (something that Chrono points out when he reveals that little factoid). Although the next episode reveals that this was actually true to a degree up until Hayate became their master.

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* This was what the TSAB Zig-zagged in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs''. [[TheFederation The TSAB]] thought was the case with the Wolkenritter in ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaAs'', even thought all of their actions during the season suggested the exact opposite (something that Chrono points out when he reveals [[AntiVillain the Wolkenritter]] were nothing more than semi-autonomous guardian programs for the [[ArtifactOfDoom Book of Darkness]], something that little factoid). Although the Nanoha and Fate have a hard time believing since both Vita and Signum clearly had feelings. The next episode reveals revealed that this was actually true ''used to a degree up until Hayate became their master. be'' the case, but [[AndroidsArePeopleToo it isn't anymore]] thanks to [[HeartwarmingOrphan Hayate's influence]].
25th Sep '16 11:34:00 AM Gamermaster
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* In the Manga/MahouSenseiNegima chapter ''The Logic of Illogic'', Hakase viewed Chachamaru as JustAMachine until she found Chachamaru's video folders, which were loaded with shots of [[RoboShip Negi]] (and [[KindHeartedCatLover cats]]).

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* In the Manga/MahouSenseiNegima ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' chapter ''The Logic of Illogic'', Hakase viewed Chachamaru as JustAMachine until she found Chachamaru's video folders, which were loaded with shots of [[RoboShip Negi]] (and [[KindHeartedCatLover cats]]).
16th Sep '16 1:06:10 PM eroock
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7th Aug '16 10:45:11 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'' revolves around Iona, an AI reaching the end of her legally allowed lifespan, making a legal appeal against her upcoming termination. [[spoiler:While the trial itself is nothing more than a simulation (though Iona herself certainly thought it was real), one of the two [=AIs=] running it hopes that the data gained will ease humanity into the idea of granting [=AIs=] genuine rights.]]



** While human-made "smart" [=AIs=] are basically trans-human minds capable of both intellectual and emotional development (due to the fact that they're made by literally scanning human brains), they're regarded primarily as tools, and don't seem to have any real "rights". However, the general populace does recognize them as being sentient, and the humans who actually work with them often treat them more as fellow co-workers and friends rather than mere devices, with the close bond between the Master Chief and his AI companion Cortana being one of the key emotional cornerstone of the series; a parallel could perhaps be made to real life relationships between some slaves and their masters, with the former having no real rights, but with the latter still ultimately regarding him/her as worthy of friendship and respect. The [=AIs=] themselves generally take pride in serving their masters, with even the one AI secret society we know of only wanting to ''help'' humanity as a whole. However, when an AI goes rampant (which is the terminal phase of its natural life cycle due to it mentally developing so much that it inevitably "thinks" itself to death), it will often lash out against the limited terms and rights of its existence. Naturally, the UNSC's main method of preventing rampancy is to simply terminate the [=AIs=] before they develop "too much".
*** The tension between ''what'' [=AIs=] are versus ''how'' they're treated is explored in ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'', which revolves around Iona, an AI reaching the end of her legally allowed lifespan, making a legal appeal against her upcoming termination. [[spoiler:While the trial itself is nothing more than a simulation (though Iona herself certainly thought it was real), one of the two [=AIs=] running it hopes that the data gained will ease humanity into the idea of granting [=AIs=] genuine rights.]]

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** While human-made "smart" [=AIs=] are basically trans-human minds capable of both intellectual and emotional development (due to the fact that they're made by literally scanning human brains), they're regarded primarily as tools, and don't seem to have any real "rights". However, the general populace does recognize them as being sentient, and the humans who actually work with them often treat them more as fellow co-workers and friends rather than mere devices, with the close bond between the Master Chief and his AI companion Cortana being one of the key emotional cornerstone of the series; a parallel could perhaps be made to real life relationships between some slaves and their masters, with the former having no real rights, but with the latter still ultimately regarding him/her as worthy of friendship and respect. The [=AIs=] themselves generally take pride in serving their masters, with even the one AI secret society we know of only wanting to ''help'' humanity as a whole. However, when an AI goes rampant (which is the terminal phase of its natural life cycle due to it mentally developing so much that it inevitably "thinks" itself to death), it will often lash out against the limited terms and rights of its existence. Naturally, the UNSC's main method of preventing rampancy is to simply terminate the [=AIs=] before they develop "too much".
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much". As mentioned in the "Literature" section, ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'' explores this tension between ''what'' [=AIs=] are versus ''how'' they're treated is explored in ''Literature/HaloSaintsTestimony'', which revolves around Iona, an AI reaching the end of her legally allowed lifespan, making a legal appeal against her upcoming termination. [[spoiler:While the trial itself is nothing more than a simulation (though Iona herself certainly thought it was real), one of the two [=AIs=] running it hopes that the data gained will ease humanity into the idea of granting [=AIs=] genuine rights.]]treated.



** ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' makes this one of [[spoiler: Cortana's]] reasons for [[spoiler:her]] harsh treatment to deal with dissidents to her plan of enforced peace. Since AI live under the threat of death for disobedience constantly, [[spoiler: Cortana]] views it as a perfectly legitimate way of governing the galaxy. When Locke quibbles that AI aren't born but built, [[spoiler: Cortana]] gets very hostile and sarcastically mentions the trope word for word, revealing how much it's bothered [[spoiler:her]] that humans don't treat AI well.

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** ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' makes this one of [[spoiler: Cortana's]] a revived Cortana]]'s reasons for [[spoiler:her]] harsh treatment to deal methods of dealing with dissidents to opposing her plan of enforced peace. Since AI [=AIs=] live under the threat of death for disobedience constantly, [[spoiler: Cortana]] views it as a perfectly legitimate way of governing the galaxy. When Locke quibbles that AI [=AIs=] aren't born but built, [[spoiler: Cortana]] gets very hostile and sarcastically mentions the trope word for word, revealing how much it's bothered [[spoiler:her]] that humans don't treat AI [=AIs=] well.
24th Jul '16 10:17:30 PM rjd1922
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* In PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor, TEC calls himself this [[spoiler: during his final moments, to convince Mario and co. to stop wasting time worrying about him and to go save Peach.]]

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* In PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor, ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', TEC calls himself this [[spoiler: during his final moments, to convince Mario and co. to stop wasting time worrying about him and to go save Peach.]]



* The robots built by Sumdac's company in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' to perform manual labour and generally run Detroit are indeed [[JustAMachine just machines]]. At one point, Soundwave attempts to have these robots [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters revolt]], believing that logically humanity ought to serve robots. Upon enacting his plan, Sari is quick to point out that the robots haven't gained sentience, they are simply following their programming; programming that Soundwave hacked.

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* The robots built by Sumdac's company in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' to perform manual labour and generally run Detroit are indeed [[JustAMachine just machines]].machines. At one point, Soundwave attempts to have these robots [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters revolt]], believing that logically humanity ought to serve robots. Upon enacting his plan, Sari is quick to point out that the robots haven't gained sentience, they are simply following their programming; programming that Soundwave hacked.
3rd Jul '16 7:33:36 PM nombretomado
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* Marendar from the ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' online serials is a being specifically created to kill the denizens of the Matoran Universe in case they don't shut down by themselves after Mata Nui (a HumongousMecha housing said universe) fulfills his mission. Their creators, the Great Beings, thought that the MU inhabitants would still be the same non-sentient machines the had designed them as, but instead, they developed an entire culture, making Marendar an unintentional mass-murderer. This issue wasn't touched upon much because the series was LeftHanging.

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* Marendar from the ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' online serials is a being specifically created to kill the denizens of the Matoran Universe in case they don't shut down by themselves after Mata Nui (a HumongousMecha housing said universe) fulfills his mission. Their creators, the Great Beings, thought that the MU inhabitants would still be the same non-sentient machines the had designed them as, but instead, they developed an entire culture, making Marendar an unintentional mass-murderer. This issue wasn't touched upon much because the series was LeftHanging.
19th Jun '16 11:39:51 AM Moopsball
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* In an unusual example from a ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'', the BigBad's robots try to talk him into surrendering to the police, causing him to lash out and call one of them [[http://www.project-apollo.net/mos/mos411.html an "ungrateful device"]]. As noted in TheRant, trying to insult the robot in this way shows that Haas knows Dryden is a person with feelings to hurt.
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