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7th Sep '16 12:52:39 PM N8han11
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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', the Trinity group shows up and starts actually destroying military bases and arms manufacturers. Most of the battles up until this point had hundreds of civilian casualties, with one battle threatening to basically screw the entire world with nuclear radiation. Through destroying military installations instead of waiting for war to start, Trinity is preventing these needless deaths. However, the "it's not right to attack before you're attacked" excuse is played, Trinity is painted as villainous when it's actually clearly good... and it suddenly starts blowing up random buildings for no reason. Let's also point out that the villains out to cause perpetual war for personal profit are never portrayed in nearly such a negative light.
** While Trinity's actions may have been jumping of the slippery slope they were hardly 'clearly good' in the first place- Gundam 00 is full of GreyAndGrayMorality and the point is that no one side is clearly good or clearly evil. The Trinity's actions were simply causing more needless deaths by murdering civilians in arms factories and blowing up military bases which weren't attacking anyone, simply defending their homeland. Trinity's actions are a classic example of jumping of the slippery slope by quickly resorting to overly extreme methods, and are hardly unambiguously good ones being wrongly portrayed as evil.
*** It's the difference between shooting the gun out of someone's hands and shooting their hands off so they can't wield a gun in the first place.

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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'', the Trinity group shows up and starts actually destroying military bases and arms manufacturers. Most of the battles up until this point had hundreds of civilian casualties, with one battle threatening to basically screw the entire world with nuclear radiation. Through destroying military installations instead of waiting for war to start, Trinity is preventing these needless deaths. However, the "it's not right to attack before you're attacked" excuse is played, Trinity is painted as villainous when it's actually clearly good... and it suddenly starts blowing up random buildings for no reason. Let's also point out that the villains out to cause perpetual war for personal profit are never portrayed in nearly such a negative light.
** While Trinity's actions may have been jumping of the slippery slope they were hardly 'clearly good' in the first place- Gundam 00 is full of GreyAndGrayMorality and the point is that no one side is clearly good or clearly evil. The Trinity's actions were simply causing more needless deaths by murdering civilians in arms factories and blowing up military bases which weren't attacking anyone, simply defending their homeland. Trinity's actions are a classic example of jumping of the slippery slope by quickly resorting to overly extreme methods, and are hardly unambiguously good ones being wrongly portrayed as evil.
*** It's the difference between shooting the gun out of someone's hands and shooting their hands off so they can't wield a gun in the first place.
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*** Yet it must be pointed out that Gundam 00 was heavy on the AllThereInTheManual aspect and the side documents explained that the Trinities resorting to extreme measures and having sociopathic natures were not of their own intentions, but rather [[RaisedByWolves as a result of their development]]. (Nena, the one who attacked said wedding, [[ConvenientComa was kept in stasis from her birth to her tenth birthday]] and thus [[PsychopathicManchild has always the mentality of a little girl]]) Because their role was to make Celestial Being look bad, and then die immediately aftewords, their resorting to harsh measures was simply to cause a public relations nightmare with the group, and to ensure that Celestial Being would not bother helping the Trinity siblings in their hour of need (Setsuna did not intentionally save Nena, but rather was attempting to stop Ali al-Saachez from using a Gundam, especially since they used the Trinities' fight for survival as battle strategy for opponents). That's FridgeHorror in a nutshell.

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*** Yet it must be pointed out that Gundam 00 was heavy on the AllThereInTheManual aspect and the side documents explained that the Trinities resorting to extreme measures and having sociopathic natures were not of their own intentions, but rather [[RaisedByWolves as a result of their development]]. (Nena, the one who attacked said wedding, [[ConvenientComa was kept in stasis from her birth to her tenth birthday]] and thus [[PsychopathicManchild has always the mentality of a little girl]]) Because their role was to make Celestial Being look bad, and then die immediately aftewords, their resorting to harsh measures was simply to cause a public relations nightmare with the group, and to ensure that Celestial Being would not bother helping the Trinity siblings in their hour of need (Setsuna did not intentionally save Nena, but rather was attempting to stop Ali al-Saachez from using a Gundam, especially since they used the Trinities' fight for survival as battle strategy for opponents). That's FridgeHorror in a nutshell.
7th Sep '16 6:19:28 AM Shadowgazer
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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.

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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when he had the wrong attitude as he acted all important and showed his control-freak nature. When Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong.wrong. And he goes beyond his inspecting duties showing how petty his motivations are and how the most important thing for him is throwing his weight around. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.



* ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' has this happen with the most likable villain of the show Dr. Bushroot in his origin episode. He starts off by being DrivenToMurder the people who bullied him, made him lose his job ForTheEvulz and mocked him after his mutation. Then he deteriotates morally by seeking revenge against the Dean who cut his funding and Darkwing and Launchpad for stopping that one and by the end he tries to mutate the girl that he liked against her will, so he could have company. Good Lord!

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* ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' has this happen with the most likable villain of the show Dr. Bushroot in his origin episode. He starts off by being DrivenToMurder the people who bullied him, made him lose his job ForTheEvulz and mocked him after his mutation. Then he deteriotates morally by seeking revenge against the Dean who cut his funding and then against Darkwing and Launchpad for stopping that one the attempted murder and by the end he tries to mutate the girl that he liked against her will, so that he could have company. Good Lord!
4th Sep '16 5:19:10 PM Prometheus117
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** Kael'thas Sunstrider's goal was originally to improve his suffering people, and despite their re-branding as blood elves, they were a shining example of DarkIsNotEvil. Even when he allied with the [[SnakePeople naga]], and the [[WellIntentionedExtremist partially demonic Illidan]], it was a move of desperation and managed to be the [[OnlySaneMan moral center]] of the group. In Burning Crusade, he's killed as part of Illidan's army, but then returns to reveal he had betrayed him to the Legion and was trying to summon Kil'jaeden so the Burning Legion can destroy Azeroth, killing his own people when they tried to stop him. [[FlatWhat What.]]
** Illidan was always a self-serving JerkAss, but he had a more gentle side to him and never intended his collateral damage. After nearly being killed by Arthas, though, that gentle side was replaced in Burning Crusade with paranoia, insanity and a desire to crush anyone he deems as a threat, which happens to be ''everyone not on his side.'' The jump was severe enough that Blizzard went [[WordOfGod on record]] expressing a desire to bring him back for a proper redemption. He finally returns in World of Warcraft: Legion.

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** Kael'thas Sunstrider's goal was originally to improve his suffering people, and despite their re-branding as blood elves, they were a shining example of DarkIsNotEvil. Even when he allied with the [[SnakePeople naga]], and the [[WellIntentionedExtremist partially demonic Illidan]], it was a move of desperation and managed to be the [[OnlySaneMan moral center]] of the group. In Burning Crusade, he's killed as part of Illidan's army, but then returns he CameBackWrong to reveal he had betrayed him to the Legion and was trying to summon Kil'jaeden so the Burning Legion can destroy Azeroth, killing his own people when they tried to stop him. [[FlatWhat What.]]
It's heavily implied that point either the fel magic reanimating him just threw him completely off the slope, or his corpse was just being used by a demon that took on traits of his personality and memory.
** Illidan was always a self-serving JerkAss, but he had a more gentle side to him and never intended his collateral damage. After nearly being killed by Arthas, though, that gentle side was replaced in Burning Crusade with paranoia, insanity and a desire to crush anyone he deems as a threat, which happens to be ''everyone not on his side.'' The jump was severe enough that Blizzard went [[WordOfGod on record]] expressing a desire to bring him back for a proper redemption. He finally returns in World of Warcraft: Legion.''Legion'' once more a morally ambiguous character whose positive sides are seen in greater light.
7th Aug '16 10:25:14 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** The Didact, the villain of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', comes off as this if one is familiar with the ExpandedUniverse. In the terminals of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'' and ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'', he was depicted as a conflicted general who ended up causing [[EldritchAbomination the Flood]] to conquer more of his civilization because he couldn't bear to [[GodzillaThreshold fire the Halos]] and wipe out all life in the galaxy to kill the parasite. In ''Halo 4'', he apparently didn't want to fire the Halos because he was racist and didn't want those pesky humans taking over the galaxy after the Halos would make some living room. So from tragic hero to [[DarthVaderClone genocidal dictator in skeleton armor]].
** TheReveal of ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' pulls this with [[spoiler:your AI companion Cortana]], who in the previous game [[spoiler:remained the Chief's friend even as her digital body collapsed and she struggled to remain sane, eventually doing a HeroicSacrifice with the last of her strength]]. In the following game, [[spoiler:she turns to be alive and supposedly repaired, but now she's an OmnicidalManiac who's going to take over the galaxy with her army of enormous Guardian droids. While she keeps insisting that she has good reasons for doing so]], it's clearly just pushing WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide, especially when [[spoiler:she imprisons Chief and Blue Team in a Cryptum so he won't interfere with her scheme.]]

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** The Didact, Ur-Didact, the villain of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 4}}'', comes off as this if one is familiar with the ExpandedUniverse. 4}}''. In the terminals [[Literature/HaloCryptum first]] [[Literature/HaloPrimordium two]] novels of ''{{VideoGame/Halo 3}}'' and ''Literature/TheForerunnerSaga'', he was depicted starts off as a conflicted general who ended up causing [[EldritchAbomination strongly disliked humanity and believed that the Flood]] Forerunners were the rightful masters of the galaxy, but nonetheless also grew to conquer more of his civilization because he couldn't bear respect humans as fellow warriors, and believed that the Forerunners also had a responsibility to protect and preserve even those species who would stand against them (except [[TheVirus the Flood]], obviously), opposing [[GodzillaThreshold fire the Halos]] and wipe out all firing of the Halos to stop the Flood]] precisely because it would kill off ''all'' sentient life in the galaxy to kill galaxy. And then he gets {{Mind Rape}}ed by the parasite. In ''Halo 4'', Flood Gravemind, an experience which magnifies his Forerunner supremacism and dislike of humanity into ANaziByAnyOtherName levels. Afterwards, he apparently didn't want comes to fire the Halos because he was racist and didn't want those pesky humans taking over conclusion that the galaxy after only way to defeat the Flood without using the Halos would make some living room. So be to transform his Promethean followers into robotic abominations; when he starts running out of volunteers, he begins forcibly converting humans (making him NotSoDifferent from the Flood), with the intent to eventually wipe out ''all'' humans and any other species who oppose Forerunner rule. The Ur-Didact's transition from tragic hero to [[DarthVaderClone genocidal dictator in skeleton armor]].
armor]] is covered in ''VideoGame/HaloSilentium'' and the ''Halo 4'' terminals.
** TheReveal of ''VideoGame/Halo5Guardians'' pulls this with [[spoiler:your AI companion Cortana]], who in the [[VideoGame/{{Halo 4}} previous game game]] [[spoiler:remained the Chief's friend even as her digital body collapsed and she struggled to remain sane, eventually doing a HeroicSacrifice with the last of her strength]]. In the following game, [[spoiler:she turns out to be alive and supposedly repaired, but now she's an OmnicidalManiac at best WellIntentionedExtremist who's going to take over the galaxy with her army of enormous Guardian droids. machines. While she keeps insisting that she has good reasons for doing so]], it's clearly just pushing bordering on WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide, especially when [[spoiler:she imprisons Chief and Blue Team in a Cryptum so he they won't interfere with her scheme.]]schemes]].
1st Aug '16 5:43:51 AM Shadowgazer
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** Light Yagami begins using the supernatural notebook to rid society of criminals, but soon his black list expands to include anyone who stands in his way for any reason, starting with Lind L. Taylor, [[spoiler:a patsy used by L to denounce and threaten Kira]] and the FBI. Along the way, he coolly manipulates the feelings of both people and shinigami. Repeatedly stating that he plans to become the god of the new world he is trying to create doesn't help matters, either.

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** Light Yagami begins using the supernatural notebook to rid society of objectively unforgivable criminals, but soon his black list expands to include anyone who stands in his way for any reason, starting with Lind L. Taylor, [[spoiler:a patsy used by L to denounce and threaten Kira]] and the FBI. Along the way, he coolly manipulates the feelings of both people and shinigami. Repeatedly stating that he plans to become the god of the new world he is trying to create doesn't help matters, either.


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* ''WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck'' has this happen with the most likable villain of the show Dr. Bushroot in his origin episode. He starts off by being DrivenToMurder the people who bullied him, made him lose his job ForTheEvulz and mocked him after his mutation. Then he deteriotates morally by seeking revenge against the Dean who cut his funding and Darkwing and Launchpad for stopping that one and by the end he tries to mutate the girl that he liked against her will, so he could have company. Good Lord!
31st Jul '16 8:47:30 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Fortunately, it was not to last. By the sixth film, it becomes evident Vader shows signs of regret when Luke challenges his motives, but Vader dismisses them and says it is too late for him- no one can leave the Dark Side. It isn't until [[spoiler:Palpatine repeatedly strikes down Luke with Force lightning that Vader finally comes to his senses and reverts back to Anakin Skywalker, slaying the Sith Lord, but at [[RedemptionEqualsDeath a very costly price]].]]
*** Not very well fleshed out in the movies, but [[WordOfGod the]] [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse fluff]] explains Anakin's motives as him being a KnightTemplar. He's tired of people dying, the war, sees himself as ''the'' hero (since he's been told he is TheChosenOne since childhood and thus can do no wrong) and is stupidly loyal to the Republic. All that makes him childlishly easy to manipulate by Palpatine. Combined with the corrosive effects of TheDarkSide it makes baffling lapses of judgement come easy to him.
31st Jul '16 8:17:46 AM Morgenthaler
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** Yeah, well, oops ...
29th Jul '16 6:45:13 AM TheSinful
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* Sasuke in ''[[http://ficwad.com/story/213011 Eroninja]]'' goes from "Kill my brother to avenge my clan" to "Kill the ones who "made" my brother kill my clan"[[note]]In this story, Itachi wasn't blackmailed or threatened into killing his clan; he came up with the idea himself[[/note]] to "destroy the current shinobi system and kill people close to Naruto because it'll hurt him". Notably, Sakura gives up on Sasuke much sooner than Naruto but everyone (Naruto included) consider Sasuke past the MoralEventHorizon when he tries to kill his own mother.
16th Jul '16 5:29:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Ho boy, does this ''ever'' happen in the eleventh book of ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' to [[spoiler: Senna Wales]]. K.A. "{{Ambitio|nIsEvil}}us, intelligent, controlling, DangerouslyGenreSavvy VisionaryVillain with a taste for power" into "batshit insane, power-mad, {{Genre Blind|ness}} BadBoss EvilOverlord."

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* Ho boy, does this ''ever'' happen in the eleventh book of ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' to [[spoiler: Senna Wales]]. K.A. "{{Ambitio|nIsEvil}}us, intelligent, controlling, DangerouslyGenreSavvy VisionaryVillain with a taste for power" into "batshit insane, power-mad, {{Genre Blind|ness}} BadBoss EvilOverlord."
21st May '16 2:08:47 PM erforce
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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.

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* In ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'', ''Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}}'', EPA agent Walter Peck had a point that the Ghostbusters' operations needed some inspection, especially considering Egon was getting worried about the abnormal amount of spectral energy they are containing in their protection grid. However, when Peck later vindictively barges into the business with a court order and imperiously orders the grid shutdown despite the warnings of the Busters and the reservations of the accompanying utility worker, he is shown to be totally unreasonable and completely in the wrong. The fact that Peck then orders the Busters arrested for an explosion he himself clearly was responsible for makes him truly despicable.
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