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13th May '17 2:05:32 PM Prinzenick
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* [[BigBad Master Cylinder]] from the WesternAnimation/JoeOrioloFelixTheCat cartoons. It should speak volumes of his character that even '''[[FriendToAllLivingThings Felix]]''' hates him. He's an arrogant, nasty and cold-blooded bully and egomaniac who shows no remorse for any of his actions, and is perfectly willing to kidnap and enslave a child (Poindexter, the nephew of his former mentor, Professor) to create rocket fuel to build an army for him to invade Earth, has expressed desire to experiment on Felix, and is sometimes even willing to blow up the Earth [[ForTheEvulz just for the hell of it]]. And whereas Professor varies between foe and uneasy ally to Felix and is by and large a [[HarmlessVillain pitiful comedic villain]], Master Cylinder is a KnightOfCerebsus who is almost always evil and hostile towards Felix and is enough of a threat to have Felix at his mercy in just about every encounter they have. Any sympathetic qualities shown always have an ulterior motive to them; he's occasionally shown to have a mutual relationship with his former mentor Professor, but even then he's willing to [[TheStarscream backstab Professor]] to further his own ends. To give another idea of just how rotten he is, when Poindexter [[SaveTheVillain saves him from being stranded in space]] and inviting him to stay as a guest in his uncle's lab in [[Recap/JoeOrioloFelixTheCat1x54TheAtomicRocketFuel "The Atomic Rocket Fuel"]], Master Cylinder shows his gratitude by [[UngratefulBastard immediately capturing Poindexter and roping him into another scheme, and then hijacking Professor's lab for his own plans]]. There is exactly ''one'' moment in the series where he's portrayed sympathetically--in "Public Enemies No. 1 & 2", where he [[OutOfCharacterMoment inexplicably]] [[GoKartingWithBowser attends Felix's birthday party and celebrates it with everyone else.]] The only thing that keeps him from being a HateSink is just how [[NightmareRetardant goofy]] and [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin ineffective of a villain he ultimately is.]]

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* [[BigBad Master Cylinder]] from the WesternAnimation/JoeOrioloFelixTheCat cartoons. It should speak volumes of his character that even '''[[FriendToAllLivingThings Felix]]''' hates him. He's an arrogant, nasty and cold-blooded bully and egomaniac who shows no remorse for any of his actions, and is perfectly willing to kidnap and enslave a child (Poindexter, the nephew of his former mentor, Professor) to create rocket fuel to build an army for him to invade Earth, has expressed desire to experiment on Felix, and is sometimes even willing to blow up the Earth [[ForTheEvulz just for the hell of it]]. And whereas Professor varies between foe and uneasy ally to Felix and is by and large a [[HarmlessVillain pitiful comedic villain]], Master Cylinder is a KnightOfCerebsus KnightOfCerebus who is almost always evil and hostile towards Felix and is enough of a threat to have Felix at his mercy in just about every encounter they have. Any sympathetic qualities shown always have an ulterior motive to them; he's occasionally shown to have a mutual relationship with his former mentor Professor, but even then he's willing to [[TheStarscream backstab Professor]] to further his own ends. To give another idea of just how rotten he is, when Poindexter [[SaveTheVillain saves him from being stranded in space]] and inviting him to stay as a guest in his uncle's lab in [[Recap/JoeOrioloFelixTheCat1x54TheAtomicRocketFuel "The Atomic Rocket Fuel"]], Master Cylinder shows his gratitude by [[UngratefulBastard immediately capturing Poindexter and roping him into another scheme, and then hijacking Professor's lab for his own plans]]. There is exactly ''one'' moment in the series where he's portrayed sympathetically--in "Public Enemies No. 1 & 2", where he [[OutOfCharacterMoment inexplicably]] [[GoKartingWithBowser attends Felix's birthday party and celebrates it with everyone else.]] The only thing that keeps him from being a HateSink is just how [[NightmareRetardant goofy]] and [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin ineffective of a villain he ultimately is.]]
13th May '17 2:04:11 PM Prinzenick
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* [[BigBad Master Cylinder]] from the WesternAnimation/JoeOrioloFelixTheCat cartoons. It should speak volumes of his character that even '''[[FriendToAllLivingThings Felix]]''' hates him. He's an arrogant, nasty and cold-blooded bully and egomaniac who shows no remorse for any of his actions, and is perfectly willing to kidnap and enslave a child (Poindexter, the nephew of his former mentor, Professor) to create rocket fuel to build an army for him to invade Earth, has expressed desire to experiment on Felix, and is sometimes even willing to blow up the Earth [[ForTheEvulz just for the hell of it]]. And whereas Professor varies between foe and uneasy ally to Felix and is by and large a [[HarmlessVillain pitiful comedic villain]], Master Cylinder is a KnightOfCerebsus who is almost always evil and hostile towards Felix and is enough of a threat to have Felix at his mercy in just about every encounter they have. Any sympathetic qualities shown always have an ulterior motive to them; he's occasionally shown to have a mutual relationship with his former mentor Professor, but even then he's willing to [[TheStarscream backstab Professor]] to further his own ends. To give another idea of just how rotten he is, when Poindexter [[SaveTheVillain saves him from being stranded in space]] and inviting him to stay as a guest in his uncle's lab in [[Recap/JoeOrioloFelixTheCat1x54TheAtomicRocketFuel "The Atomic Rocket Fuel"]], Master Cylinder shows his gratitude by [[UngratefulBastard immediately capturing Poindexter and roping him into another scheme, and then hijacking Professor's lab for his own plans]]. There is exactly ''one'' moment in the series where he's portrayed sympathetically--in "Public Enemies No. 1 & 2", where he [[OutOfCharacterMoment inexplicably]] [[GoKartingWithBowser attends Felix's birthday party and celebrates it with everyone else.]] The only thing that keeps him from being a HateSink is just how [[NightmareRetardant goofy]] and [[TheGoodGuysAlwaysWin ineffective of a villain he ultimately is.]]
1st May '17 6:30:28 PM TheSinful
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* Multiple times in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8637502/6/Don-t-Look Don't Look]]'' Gendo does something that makes Ritsuko wonder if he actually cares for Shinji deep down. Each time he then reveals shortly after that he doesn't care at all, such as ignoring that Misato is in a relationship with Shinji, not because he doesn't want to take away his son's happiness but because he thinks it irrelevant when he plans to end the world anyway.



* Vanessa, the [[WrongGuyFirst Wrong Girl First]] of the Creator/AdamSandler megahit ''Film/BigDaddy''. From the very first moment we see her, she establishes herself as an angry and unpleasant person, to the point where one has to wonder what Sonny ever saw in her in the first place. Of course, the characters do mention that Vanessa "worshipped" Sonny back in college, and Sonny himself hints that, even when things started to go sour between them, for a while [[SlapSlapKiss she was antagonistic in more of a sexy way than an annoying way]]. In any case, the WrongGenreSavvy Sonny is convinced that Vanessa's heart will melt as soon as he introduces her to the five-year-old boy he has adopted for them to raise together - and, just for a second, it ''does'' look as if a PetTheDog moment is about to occur - but then, less than a minute later, we learn that Vanessa left Sonny (without telling him they were permanently breaking up) not because she was fed up with his lifestyle and wanted to resolve their relationship, but because [[spoiler: she wanted a much older and more financially responsible boyfriend, and is not sorry at all when Sonny finds out about this and even tells him that it's all his fault. Talk about a [[BitchInSheepsClothing Bitch In Steel Wool]]...]] She's an interesting contrast to Corinne, Sonny's future sister-in-law, who is pretty much [[SheepInSheepsClothing the direct opposite: polite to most people she encounters, rude to Sonny (since she can't stand him), but ultimately willing to admit that Sonny is a good father when he puts his mind to it]].

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* Vanessa, the [[WrongGuyFirst Wrong Girl First]] of the Creator/AdamSandler megahit ''Film/BigDaddy''. From the very first moment we see her, she establishes herself as an angry and unpleasant person, to the point where one has to wonder what Sonny ever saw in her in the first place. Of course, the characters do mention that Vanessa "worshipped" "worshiped" Sonny back in college, and Sonny himself hints that, even when things started to go sour between them, for a while [[SlapSlapKiss she was antagonistic in more of a sexy way than an annoying way]]. In any case, the WrongGenreSavvy Sonny is convinced that Vanessa's heart will melt as soon as he introduces her to the five-year-old boy he has adopted for them to raise together - and, just for a second, it ''does'' look as if a PetTheDog moment is about to occur - but then, less than a minute later, we learn that Vanessa left Sonny (without telling him they were permanently breaking up) not because she was fed up with his lifestyle and wanted to resolve their relationship, but because [[spoiler: she wanted a much older and more financially responsible boyfriend, and is not sorry at all when Sonny finds out about this and even tells him that it's all his fault. Talk about a [[BitchInSheepsClothing Bitch In Steel Wool]]...]] She's an interesting contrast to Corinne, Sonny's future sister-in-law, who is pretty much [[SheepInSheepsClothing the direct opposite: polite to most people she encounters, rude to Sonny (since she can't stand him), but ultimately willing to admit that Sonny is a good father when he puts his mind to it]].
2nd Apr '17 10:27:14 PM Silverblade2
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* Daniel Plainview (played by DanielDayLewis) from the AcademyAward-winning ''Film/ThereWillBeBlood''. Oh, boy.
31st Mar '17 8:09:59 AM GGCrono
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-> ''"So you're saying that I only write poetry to show that beneath this mean, callous, heartless exterior, I just want to be...loved? Well, you're completely wrong. I just write poetry to throw my mean callous heartless exterior into sharp relief."''

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-> ''"So you're saying that I only write poetry to show that beneath this mean, callous, heartless exterior, I just want to be... loved? Well, you're completely wrong. I just write poetry to throw my mean callous heartless exterior into sharp relief."''
28th Mar '17 1:24:35 AM KCN
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* Daniel Plainview (played by DanielDayLewis) from the AcademyAward-winning ''Film/ThereWillBeBlood''. Oh, boy.
16th Mar '17 1:57:08 PM morenohijazo
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* Often played for laughs in ''Comicbook/{{Iznogoud}}''.
** The title character, an EvilChancellor [[TheStarscream trying to overthrow his Caliph]] and possessing seemingly no redeeming qualities, often willingly saves his assistant Dilat Larat from certain death, only to reveal when thanked by him that he did so because he required his help for things such as carrying important files or cleaning his shoes. In contrast, he often is willing to use Dilat as a lab rat for his various plans.
** In "Iznogoud's Childhood", Dilat asks him his motivations for being Caliph in the place of the Caliph:
---> '''Iznogoud:''' To make reforms! For example, this law to cut off a fruits thief's hand is totally absurd! That will never stop him from stealing fruits: we need to cut off ''both'' of his hands!
** During "Who Killed the Caliph", Iznogoud seems to actually care for Dilat and saves him from execution after he has been mistaken for a spy. He catches the Executioner trying to get Dilat to pay him for mercy, and angrily states that mercy should not be bought. He then notices a tortured prisoner and orders the Executioner to release him, causing Dilat to wonder if he's having pity after all... then he appoints the prisoner new Executioner, and orders him to torture the former one.

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* ''Comicbook/{{Iznogoud}}'':
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Often played for laughs in ''Comicbook/{{Iznogoud}}''.
** The
laughs, where the title character, an EvilChancellor [[TheStarscream trying to overthrow his Caliph]] and possessing seemingly no redeeming qualities, often willingly saves his assistant Dilat Larat Wa'at Alahf from certain death, only to reveal when thanked by him that he did so because he required his help for things such as carrying important files or cleaning his shoes. In contrast, he often is willing to use Dilat Wa'at as a lab rat for his various plans.
** In "Iznogoud's Childhood", Dilat Wa'at Alahf asks him his motivations for being Caliph in the place of the Caliph:
---> '''Iznogoud:''' --->'''Iznogoud:''' To make reforms! For example, this law to cut off a fruits thief's hand is totally absurd! That will never stop him from stealing fruits: we need to cut off ''both'' of his hands!
** During "Who Killed the Caliph", Iznogoud seems to actually care for Dilat Wa'at and saves him from execution after he has been mistaken for a spy. He catches the Executioner trying to get Dilat Wa'at to pay him for mercy, and angrily states that mercy should not be bought. He then notices a tortured prisoner and orders the Executioner to release him, causing Dilat Wa'at to wonder if he's having pity after all... then he appoints the prisoner new Executioner, and orders him to torture the former one.
27th Feb '17 7:22:38 AM Andrew
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That said, these tropes are almost polar opposites by definition. The former [=Jerkass=] is, when it comes to the crunch, a decent guy. The latter [=Jerkass=] is, under all that [=jerkassery=]... a bigger jerk/asshole. [[note]]This is not to say all of them are 100% adverse to genuine PetTheDog moments, however.[[/note]]

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That said, these tropes are almost polar opposites by definition. The former [=Jerkass=] is, when it comes to the crunch, a decent guy. The latter [=Jerkass=] might be capable of the occasional PetTheDog moment, but he is, under all that [=jerkassery=]... a bigger jerk/asshole. [[note]]This is not to say all of them are 100% adverse to genuine PetTheDog moments, however.[[/note]]\n
13th Feb '17 6:34:04 PM AgentSkyblueM7
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* Ryder in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' is one of the more troublesome members of the Grove Street Families, often high, always sarcastic, and excessively rude to everyone, especially CJ. However, he puts in work for the gang and does his part (though he always seems like that guy people keep around to kick around). [[spoiler:And then it turns out he had betrayed the Grove Street Families along with Big Smoke, had a hand in the death of Sweet and CJ's mother, and has been arming the gang's enemies the entire time. [[AlasPoorVillain Yet he still gets a tragic sendoff (mostly in CJ's perspective)]][[HeelRealization when he finds out]][[AllForNothing he's not really the one]] [[UnwittingPawn who's been pulling all the strings]].]]

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* Ryder in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' is one of the more troublesome members of the Grove Street Families, often high, always sarcastic, and excessively rude to everyone, especially CJ. However, he puts in work for the gang and does his part (though he always seems like that guy people keep around to kick around). [[spoiler:And then it turns out he had betrayed the Grove Street Families along with Big Smoke, had a hand in the death of Sweet and CJ's mother, and has been arming the gang's enemies the entire time. [[AlasPoorVillain Yet he CJ still gets a tragic sendoff (mostly in CJ's perspective)]][[HeelRealization when he finds out]][[AllForNothing he's not really the one]] [[UnwittingPawn who's been pulling all the strings]].feels bad about having to kill him]].]]
13th Feb '17 6:31:20 PM AgentSkyblueM7
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* Ryder in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' is one of the more troublesome members of the Grove Street Families, often high, always sarcastic, and excessively rude to everyone, especially CJ. However, he puts in work for the gang and does his part (though he always seems like that guy people keep around to kick around). [[spoiler:And then it turns out he had betrayed the Grove Street Families along with Big Smoke, had a hand in the death of Sweet and CJ's mother, and has been arming the gang's enemies the entire time.]]

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* Ryder in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' is one of the more troublesome members of the Grove Street Families, often high, always sarcastic, and excessively rude to everyone, especially CJ. However, he puts in work for the gang and does his part (though he always seems like that guy people keep around to kick around). [[spoiler:And then it turns out he had betrayed the Grove Street Families along with Big Smoke, had a hand in the death of Sweet and CJ's mother, and has been arming the gang's enemies the entire time. [[AlasPoorVillain Yet he still gets a tragic sendoff (mostly in CJ's perspective)]][[HeelRealization when he finds out]][[AllForNothing he's not really the one]] [[UnwittingPawn who's been pulling all the strings]].]]
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