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22nd May '17 11:44:37 AM Discar
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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that. Part of this is that GodsNeedPrayerBadly. Anansi and the other gods have recently been brought into being because of the belief of people newly arrived in the country. Anansi even lampshades this by saying, "You want him, huh," referring to the original, full-powered incarnation of Anansi the slaves left back in Africa. These gods are underpowered because they have only a fraction of their worshipers available on the new continent. Anansi did not have the power to rescue those men. Not that he would have if he could have; sending his few followers to another country would weaken him. Sacrifice and belief are necessary for gods to gain more power.

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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that. Part of this is even shoots down the suggestion that GodsNeedPrayerBadly. Anansi and the other gods have recently been brought into being because of the belief of people newly arrived in the country. Anansi even lampshades this by saying, "You want him, huh," referring to the original, full-powered incarnation of Anansi the slaves left back in Africa. These gods are underpowered because they have only a fraction of their worshipers available on kill the new continent. Anansi did not have slavers and steal the power to rescue those men. Not that he would have if he could have; sending his few followers to another country would weaken him. Sacrifice and belief are necessary for gods to gain more power.ship.
20th May '17 2:06:56 PM nombretomado
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* Like his Norse counterpart, Odin in ''ValkyrieProfile'' is kinda a dick too.

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* Like his Norse counterpart, Odin in ''ValkyrieProfile'' ''VideoGame/ValkyrieProfile'' is kinda a dick too.
18th May '17 6:58:11 AM Fireblood
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*** There was this one time where a dwarf(who, in this mythos, turn to stone if sunlight hits them) wanted to marry Thor's daughter. Rather than just dealing with it and being happy for his daughter, or even just forbidding it, or refusing it(ValuesDissonance) Thor told him that he could, but only if he beat him in a battle of wits. The dwarf agreed, not knowing that Thor had specifically set up the battle of wits at such a time that it would last until sunrise, outside. Guess who turned to stone? Hint: not Thor

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*** There was this one time where a dwarf(who, in this mythos, turn to stone if sunlight hits them) wanted to marry Thor's daughter. Rather than just dealing with it and being happy for his daughter, or even just forbidding it, or refusing it(ValuesDissonance) it (ValuesDissonance) Thor told him that he could, but only if he beat him in a battle of wits. The dwarf agreed, not knowing that Thor had specifically set up the battle of wits at such a time that it would last until sunrise, outside. Guess who turned to stone? Hint: not Thor



** He readily admits to being one in the Literature/BookOfExodus, in the ever famous Ten Commandments no less, proclaiming that he is [[ThereCanBeOnlyOne a jealous god]] and anyone who worships a god other than him will not only be punished themselves, but as will the [[RevengeByProxy next three generations of their family]]. At the least, he does promise that if they followed his teaching, he'll bless next thousands generations of their family and he [[TookALevelInKindness make some attempt to soften his image]] by the time the New Testament rolls around.

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** He readily admits to being one in the Literature/BookOfExodus, in the ever famous Ten Commandments no less, proclaiming that he is [[ThereCanBeOnlyOne a jealous god]] and anyone who worships a god other than him will not only be punished themselves, but as will the [[RevengeByProxy next three generations of their family]]. At the least, he does promise that if they followed his teaching, he'll bless next thousands the thousand generations of their family and he [[TookALevelInKindness make makes some attempt to soften his image]] by the time the New Testament rolls around.around. However, the New Testament version has been criticized as well for this sometimes, because it introduces {{hell}} and says that [[EasyRoadToHell only a very few people are going to avoid it]].
18th May '17 6:53:14 AM Fireblood
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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that. Part of this is that GodsNeedPrayerBadly. Anansi and the other gods have recently been brought into being because of the belief of people newly arrived in the country. These gods are underpowered because they have only a fraction of their worshipers available. Anansi did not have the power to rescue those men. Not that he would have if he could have; sending his few followers to another country would weaken him. Sacrifice and belief are necessary for gods to gain more power.

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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that. Part of this is that GodsNeedPrayerBadly. Anansi and the other gods have recently been brought into being because of the belief of people newly arrived in the country. Anansi even lampshades this by saying, "You want him, huh," referring to the original, full-powered incarnation of Anansi the slaves left back in Africa. These gods are underpowered because they have only a fraction of their worshipers available.available on the new continent. Anansi did not have the power to rescue those men. Not that he would have if he could have; sending his few followers to another country would weaken him. Sacrifice and belief are necessary for gods to gain more power.
15th May '17 7:20:16 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that.

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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that. Part of this is that GodsNeedPrayerBadly. Anansi and the other gods have recently been brought into being because of the belief of people newly arrived in the country. These gods are underpowered because they have only a fraction of their worshipers available. Anansi did not have the power to rescue those men. Not that he would have if he could have; sending his few followers to another country would weaken him. Sacrifice and belief are necessary for gods to gain more power.
12th May '17 7:47:07 PM Materioptikon
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'': Kanako not only waged a war to usurp another god and was introduced attempting to have all of Gensokyo worship her, her machinations were the initiator for two subsequent games. Her aim was to [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly gather faith]] at the expense of ''possibly destroying Gensokyo'', since she was trying to take it from the Hakurei Shrine, who maintain the boundary that protects the last sanctuary of magic from ''the real world where magic is dead''... (admittedly, Kanako being a goddess from said outside world, [[ObliviouslyEvil she might not have realized the importance of the Hakurei Border]])

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'': Kanako not only waged a war to usurp another god and was introduced attempting to have all of Gensokyo worship her, her machinations were the initiator for two subsequent games. Her aim was to [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly gather faith]] at the expense of ''possibly destroying Gensokyo'', since she was trying to take it from the Hakurei Shrine, who maintain the boundary that protects the last sanctuary of magic from ''the real world where magic is dead''... dead'' (admittedly, Kanako being a goddess from said outside world, [[ObliviouslyEvil she might not have realized the importance of the Hakurei Border]])Border]])... Later on, her jerkass traits are played with. While pretty manipulative, she has every reason to be seen as a positive influence and is actively introducing outside world technology into Gensokyo.


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** And it turns out ''Gwyn, Lord of Sunlight'' is the biggest jackass of them all. [[spoiler:In the distant path, he and the other Lord Soul bearers fought against the dragons. Among these, the Dark Soul was unique in that it was a conduit to the Abyss, which existed in direct opposition to Gwyn's First Flame. Uncaring that their bearers, the Pygmy Lords, were [[UndyingLoyalty completely loyal]] to him, he had them all rounded up and sealed in the Ringed City, using his own youngest child as a CosmicKeystone to keep it sealed in time. Then he fed the Lords' descendants, humanity, a sanitized version of history which placed him as King of the Gods and included nothing about the Dark Soul. When the First Flame started fading, the Dark Soul within the humans started reacting and created the Undead Curse in an effort to ensure the natural order Gwyn defied was upheld, and without the Abyss knowledge of the Lords, this led to era after era of suffering and misery.]]
10th May '17 1:35:56 PM Kakai
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* In ''Literature/TheSpiritThief'', the Shepherdess is less jerkass-y and more actively neglectful. Not only does she apparently not care about spirits nominally under her protection, she picks favourites and rains her blessings upon them even when it interferes with her actual job. And beware those who dare critique her approach! Unless they're her "stars" or can sweet-talk their way out, they're usually never heard from again.
8th May '17 6:30:33 PM Fireblood
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** The Literature/BookOfJob provides some fine examples of divine jerkassitude. When Job asks why his life is being destroyed and family killed when he has lived a pious life, God's response is literally, "I'm sorry, did ''you'' make the universe? Don't question God." This is treated as a completely acceptable response. The reader knows (through backstory) that God is testing Job's faith, but Job in-story is left in the dark about this.

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** The Literature/BookOfJob provides some fine examples of divine jerkassitude. When Job asks why his life is being destroyed and family killed when he has lived a pious life, God's response is literally, "I'm sorry, did ''you'' make the universe? Don't question God." This is treated as a completely acceptable response. The reader knows (through backstory) that God is testing Job's faith, but Job in-story is left in the dark about this. Even that comes off as a poor excuse to mistreat him. He does get rewarded with more property than he'd lost, plus a new family, but any person who loses kids or their spouse is going to be dubious that this makes up for it.
8th May '17 6:24:07 PM Fireblood
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** One of the worst is Zeus, who ironically is the god of law and upholder of morals. While there are some stories of Zeus punishing evil doers and rewarding the just, many of his stories are about his dalliances with immortal and mortal women. He has a lecherous MemeticMolester infamy due to [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal forcing himself]] upon women, doing little to protect them and their "divine rapechildren" from his ClingyJealousGirl wife Hera. Add to that his other highly questionable actions, like the PandorasBox incident, and he is perhaps the biggest asshole of all. Of course, many of these myths are fairly transparent {{Just So Stor|y}}ies, particularly the "divine rapechildren" stories (most of which result in Zeus being the ancestor of a people or a royal house of some Greek city or other) and of course the Pandora's Box incident was of course was an explanation for why bad things happen to good people (and [[ValuesDissonance why women shouldn't be trusted]]).
** Also worth a mention is Ares. Even back then, Greek scholars wrote about how men run in terror from this bloodthirsty god of war. However, Ares's bloodlust only showed during wartime, he has never been portrayed as a rapist, and as always be depicted as a PapaBear unlike his father Zeus. He was portrayed more positively by the Romans however, due to them having a stronger military tradition than the Greeks. In the Iliad, the phrase Homer uses to refer to Ares is ''kukleion athanaton'': Evil Undying.
** This is kind of magnified compared to other pantheons where the gods tended to have human problems (Greek gods do not, being immortal) or at least created most of the world they jerked around in (nope, the Olympians just took over and decided not to destroy humanity, the Titan's creation). To be fair, most of the unprovoked jerkassery is restricted to the Olympians. Deities like Selene, Hypnos, Aether and even the likes of Nyx and Tartarus were for the most part content to mind their own business.
** While The Titans were generally nicer to humanity than the Olympians, their patriarch still ate his own children (The Olympians), so the Olympians being jerk asses to the titan's creation is not so surprising.
** Eris, goddess of strife and discord, like her name suggests, promotes quarrel and conflict for no specific reason. Her most notorious act was making a golden apple dedicated "to the most beautiful goddess" which caused a quarrel between Hera, Athena and Aphrodite, which again triggered the chain of events that led to the Trojan War.
** This is a conflicting issue. Yes, gods can be assholes caring only about themselves...and they can be absolutely fair and nice protectors of humanity. Zeus is [[TheCasanova hell-bent]] [[AnythingThatMoves onto getting all women]] ( [[BiTheWay and some men]] ) in bed, but also honorable. Hades is either honest and lawful, or morbidly misanthropic. Ares is [[TheBerserker addicted]] [[BloodKnight to battle]] but one of few gods that protect their demigods and has reputation for hunting rapists. Aphrodite has two aspects, Pandemos-aspect of lust and sex, and Urania-[[TrueLove aspect of deep spiritual love]]. Titans either started golden age of humanity or we didn't exist when they were around. And given that both first of Olympians and Titans were eaten by their father, whose mother ( [[ParentalIncest and wife]] ) rose out of primal Chaos well, ... Greek Mythology is heavy on [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistencies]], [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation different approaches to characters]], [[BigScrewedUpFamily fatal family issues]] and [[CycleOfRevenge long-spanning vendettas]].

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** One of the worst is Zeus, who ironically is the god of law and upholder of morals. While there are some stories of Zeus punishing evil doers and rewarding the just, many of his stories are about his dalliances with immortal and mortal women. He has a lecherous MemeticMolester infamy due to [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal forcing himself]] upon women, doing little to protect them and their "divine rapechildren" from his ClingyJealousGirl wife Hera. Add to that his other highly questionable actions, like the PandorasBox incident, and he is perhaps the biggest asshole of all. Of course, many of these myths are fairly transparent {{Just So Stor|y}}ies, particularly the "divine rapechildren" stories (most of which result in Zeus being the ancestor of a people or a royal house of some Greek city or other) and of course the Pandora's Box incident was of course was an explanation for why bad things happen to good people (and [[ValuesDissonance why women shouldn't be trusted]]).
** Also worth a mention is Ares. Even back then, Greek scholars wrote about how men run in terror from this bloodthirsty god of war. However, Ares's bloodlust only showed during wartime, he has never been portrayed as a rapist, and as was always be depicted as a PapaBear PapaBear, unlike his father Zeus. He was portrayed more positively by the Romans however, due to them having a stronger military tradition than the Greeks. In the Iliad, the phrase Homer uses to refer to Ares is ''kukleion athanaton'': Evil Undying.
** This is kind of magnified compared to other pantheons where the gods tended to have human problems (Greek gods do not, being immortal) or at least created most of the world they jerked around in (nope, the Olympians just took over and decided not to destroy humanity, the Titan's Titans's creation). To be fair, most of the unprovoked jerkassery is restricted to the Olympians. Deities like Selene, Hypnos, Aether and even the likes of Nyx and Tartarus were for the most part content to mind their own business.
** While The the Titans were generally nicer to humanity than the Olympians, their patriarch still ate his own children (The (the Olympians), so the Olympians being jerk asses to the titan's Titans's creation is not so surprising.
** Eris, goddess of strife and discord, like her name suggests, promotes quarrel and conflict for no specific reason. Her most notorious act was making a golden apple dedicated "to the most beautiful goddess" which caused a quarrel between Hera, Athena and Aphrodite, which again triggered the chain of events that led to the Trojan War.
** This is a conflicting issue. Yes, gods can be assholes caring only about themselves...and they can be absolutely fair and nice protectors of humanity. Zeus is [[TheCasanova hell-bent]] [[AnythingThatMoves onto on getting all women]] ( [[BiTheWay ([[BiTheWay and some men]] ) in men]]) into bed, but also honorable. Hades is either honest and lawful, or morbidly misanthropic. Ares is [[TheBerserker addicted]] [[BloodKnight to battle]] battle]], but one of the few gods that protect their demigods and has reputation for hunting rapists. Aphrodite has two aspects, Pandemos-aspect of lust and sex, and Urania-[[TrueLove aspect of deep spiritual love]]. Titans either started a golden age of humanity or we didn't exist when they were around. And given that both first of Olympians and Titans were eaten by their father, whose mother ( [[ParentalIncest ([[ParentalIncest and wife]] ) wife]]) rose out of primal Chaos well, ... well, ...Greek Mythology is heavy on [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistencies]], [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation different approaches to characters]], [[BigScrewedUpFamily fatal family issues]] and [[CycleOfRevenge long-spanning vendettas]].
8th May '17 6:06:15 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/AmericanGods2017'': Anansi tells the slaves on the ship that even hundreds of years from then, the only possible future for a black man in America is to suffer and die and the only thing to do to make their life worth anything is to kill the slavers and themselves as sacrifices to Anansi. He doesn't just teleport them back to Africa, or anything kind like that.
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