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6th Jan '14 8:48:15 AM LadyMomus
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Jeph Loeb is a comics/film writer and TV producer. He started as a co-writer of ''Film/TeenWolf'', then wrote ''Film/{{Commando}}'' and a few other movies. While working on the script for TheFlash movie, he got an opportunity to write for Creator/DCComics.

The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: ComicBook/TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).

One of Loeb's greatest successes was bringing his children -- Sam and Audrey -- into comics. Loeb was also a producer and writer for ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', ''{{Series/Lost}}'', and ''{{Series/Heroes}}''. Back at DC, he created ''Batman: Hush'' with Jim Lee and started the latest ''SupermanBatman'' ongoing series. He got multiple awards, including the Eisner Award for a Batman and ComicBook/TheSpirit crossover.

And then, poor Sam got cancer and died.

Jeph, who had already left ''Smallville'' to take care of Sam, finished his son's last comics story together with many writers and artists, and published it in ''Superman/Batman''. Then he decided to retire from comics. However, his friend, Marvel Editor-In-Chief JoeQuesada, convinced him to come back and write for him.

But Jeph, understandably, wasn't the same man he was before. While his titles ''always'' had flaws -- CriticalResearchFailure and ContinuitySnarl among others -- after coming to Marvel, his work was quickly criticized by many fans as some of the worst in current comics. ''[[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America]]'', where superheroes come to terms with the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOntheTin death of Captain America]] is considered the best of these recent works. His runs on ''{{Wolverine}}'' and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' are infamous among most fans for introducing two {{Villain Sue}}s who, confusingly, predate the origins and adventures of the main characters -- [[TheChessmaster Romulus]] and ComicBook/RedHulk. His run on ''TheUltimates'' has been labeled as full of CharacterDerailment and ''{{Ultimatum}}'' is generally considered to rival ''CountdownToFinalCrisis'', ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', and ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' in terms of quality. He was also forced to leave ''Heroes'' because NBC didn't like the course of the story (and because according to some, Loeb was stealing series writers for UltimateMarvel).

Loeb has since taken over as the head of Marvel's [[MarvelAnimation animated division]], acting as an executive producer for ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' and the second season of ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', the former of which has developed a serious BrokenBase. He is also producing ''Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H.'' and ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'', the latter of which is heavily influenced by JossWhedon's ''Film/TheAvengers'' film.

However, despite fan backlash and criticism, Loeb's comics have never sold better and he's considered one of the [[NiceGuy nicest guys]] in the industry; even his most devoted haters admit they can't bring themselves to hate him the way they hate his comics. Many people hope that one day he will become great once again and some even think he just [[TheWoobie needs a hug]]. It seems he may even be getting back on track, as his recent run on ''ComicBook/{{Nova}}'' has been fairly well-liked.

He shares his workplace with GeoffJohns and Allan Heinberg.
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!!Tropes asssociated with Jeph Loeb and his works:
* AnimationAgeGhetto: [[invoked]] He admittedly believes in gearing Marvel cartoons to children, hence his efforts to invoke this with the single-episode storylines and comedic overtones of ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble''.
** [[http://www.newsarama.com/18149-loeb-seagle-focus-on-core-characters-in-avengers-assemble.html From a Newsrama's interview]]:
--> '''Loeb''': (...)The reality is that we're on a network, Disney XD, which is largely known as being a kids' network. We're not going to shy away from that. We want to be able to bring that audience in, because in many cases, it's going to be their first opportunity to get to know the Marvel Universe. And that's a pretty big thing. We want to be able to share our universe with the next group of Marvel fans, however they're going to come in.

--> Our movies, believe it or not, are PG-13. While everybody can and should go to them, there are families out there who feel like maybe they're a little too old. What we wanted to do is create an opportunity where it absolutely is a four-quadrant: We want women, we want families, we want kids, and we want men to be able to watch the show. But if at the end of the day, the good news that we get is, every single kid in America is going to be watching the show, and throughout the world? I'll take that.
* BeyondTheImpossible: What Red Hulk's doing is, in a nutshell, this trope gone wrong. An example is lifting Thor's hammer [[OnlyTheChosenMayWield without being worthy]].
* CreatorBreakdown: It's obvious he still hasn't come to terms with his son Sam's death. The title of ''Fallen Son'' hints it strongly. In ''Ultimatum'', Magneto is murdering people to avenge Quicksilver's death. The ending also has [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Ben Grimm]] [[spoiler:killing DoctorDoom]], saying that "someone must pay..." It's pretty clear where this is coming from and why. Now Loeb is working on a new "color" miniseries -- ''Captain America: White'' -- which will feature CaptainAmerica coping with the loss of his teenage sidekick, Bucky.
* CreatorCameo: Well, not quite the creator as much as his children. Especially noticibly in one instance where Iron Man talks about "a brave little boy named Sam." and the newest ComicBook/{{Nova}}, Sam Alexander.
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: ''OurWorldsAtWar'' came out in the middle of 2001. By the end of the story, it is in many ways TheDCU's 9/11.
* GadgeteerGenius: Hiro "Toyman" Okamura (who may have inspired Hiro ''Na''kamura on ''Series/{{Heroes}}'').
* IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming: He wrote four series for Marvel titled ''Daredevil: Yellow'', ''Spider-Man: Blue'', ''Hulk: Gray'', and ''Captain America: White''. Together, they form a ThematicSeries.
* InnerMonologue: He's this trope's poster boy.
* KickedUpstairs: In regards to his promotion as Marvel's Head of Television.
* KillEmAll: ''Ultimatum''.
* SignatureStyle:
** Loeb seems to like having superheroes disguise themselves as other superheroes. For example:
*** In ''Franchise/{{Superman}}/Franchise/{{Batman}}: Public Enemies'', Bats dresses up as {{Hawkman}} and Supes as [[{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]]. Actually kind of disturbing if you think about it; they had to undress Hawkman and Captain Marvel, even more disturbing is the fact that Captain Marvel is essentially a kid inside a grownup's body.
*** In ''Batman And The Spirit'', Bats and the Spirit switch costumes.
*** In ''Ultimates 3'', CaptainAmerica disguises himself as ComicBook/BlackPanther for no discernible reason. (explained in ''Ultimate Captain America Annual'' #1)
*** In ''Onslaught Reborn'', Wolverine disguises himself as Hawkeye.
** An unrelated but equally noticeable style of his; when he creates a new villain, that villain will be inserted into the past of the hero, and will instantly have deeply personal relationship with the hero to the point of becoming their new ArchEnemy; Hush, Bruce Wayne's childhood best friend (who had never been mentioned before), Romulus, who had secretly been manipulating Wolverine all his life, and RedHulk, who was actually General Thunderbolt Ross the whole time.
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Jeph Loeb is a comics/film writer and TV producer. He started as a co-writer of ''Film/TeenWolf'', then wrote ''Film/{{Commando}}'' and a few other movies. While working on the script for TheFlash movie, he got an opportunity to write for Creator/DCComics.

The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: ComicBook/TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).

One of Loeb's greatest successes was bringing his children -- Sam and Audrey -- into comics. Loeb was also a producer and writer for ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', ''{{Series/Lost}}'', and ''{{Series/Heroes}}''. Back at DC, he created ''Batman: Hush'' with Jim Lee and started the latest ''SupermanBatman'' ongoing series. He got multiple awards, including the Eisner Award for a Batman and ComicBook/TheSpirit crossover.

And then, poor Sam got cancer and died.

Jeph, who had already left ''Smallville'' to take care of Sam, finished his son's last comics story together with many writers and artists, and published it in ''Superman/Batman''. Then he decided to retire from comics. However, his friend, Marvel Editor-In-Chief JoeQuesada, convinced him to come back and write for him.

But Jeph, understandably, wasn't the same man he was before. While his titles ''always'' had flaws -- CriticalResearchFailure and ContinuitySnarl among others -- after coming to Marvel, his work was quickly criticized by many fans as some of the worst in current comics. ''[[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America]]'', where superheroes come to terms with the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOntheTin death of Captain America]] is considered the best of these recent works. His runs on ''{{Wolverine}}'' and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' are infamous among most fans for introducing two {{Villain Sue}}s who, confusingly, predate the origins and adventures of the main characters -- [[TheChessmaster Romulus]] and ComicBook/RedHulk. His run on ''TheUltimates'' has been labeled as full of CharacterDerailment and ''{{Ultimatum}}'' is generally considered to rival ''CountdownToFinalCrisis'', ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', and ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' in terms of quality. He was also forced to leave ''Heroes'' because NBC didn't like the course of the story (and because according to some, Loeb was stealing series writers for UltimateMarvel).

Loeb has since taken over as the head of Marvel's [[MarvelAnimation animated division]], acting as an executive producer for ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' and the second season of ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', the former of which has developed a serious BrokenBase. He is also producing ''Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H.'' and ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble'', the latter of which is heavily influenced by JossWhedon's ''Film/TheAvengers'' film.

However, despite fan backlash and criticism, Loeb's comics have never sold better and he's considered one of the [[NiceGuy nicest guys]] in the industry; even his most devoted haters admit they can't bring themselves to hate him the way they hate his comics. Many people hope that one day he will become great once again and some even think he just [[TheWoobie needs a hug]]. It seems he may even be getting back on track, as his recent run on ''ComicBook/{{Nova}}'' has been fairly well-liked.

He shares his workplace with GeoffJohns and Allan Heinberg.
----
!!Tropes asssociated with Jeph Loeb and his works:
* AnimationAgeGhetto: [[invoked]] He admittedly believes in gearing Marvel cartoons to children, hence his efforts to invoke this with the single-episode storylines and comedic overtones of ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble''.
** [[http://www.newsarama.com/18149-loeb-seagle-focus-on-core-characters-in-avengers-assemble.html From a Newsrama's interview]]:
--> '''Loeb''': (...)The reality is that we're on a network, Disney XD, which is largely known as being a kids' network. We're not going to shy away from that. We want to be able to bring that audience in, because in many cases, it's going to be their first opportunity to get to know the Marvel Universe. And that's a pretty big thing. We want to be able to share our universe with the next group of Marvel fans, however they're going to come in.

--> Our movies, believe it or not, are PG-13. While everybody can and should go to them, there are families out there who feel like maybe they're a little too old. What we wanted to do is create an opportunity where it absolutely is a four-quadrant: We want women, we want families, we want kids, and we want men to be able to watch the show. But if at the end of the day, the good news that we get is, every single kid in America is going to be watching the show, and throughout the world? I'll take that.
* BeyondTheImpossible: What Red Hulk's doing is, in a nutshell, this trope gone wrong. An example is lifting Thor's hammer [[OnlyTheChosenMayWield without being worthy]].
* CreatorBreakdown: It's obvious he still hasn't come to terms with his son Sam's death. The title of ''Fallen Son'' hints it strongly. In ''Ultimatum'', Magneto is murdering people to avenge Quicksilver's death. The ending also has [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Ben Grimm]] [[spoiler:killing DoctorDoom]], saying that "someone must pay..." It's pretty clear where this is coming from and why. Now Loeb is working on a new "color" miniseries -- ''Captain America: White'' -- which will feature CaptainAmerica coping with the loss of his teenage sidekick, Bucky.
* CreatorCameo: Well, not quite the creator as much as his children. Especially noticibly in one instance where Iron Man talks about "a brave little boy named Sam." and the newest ComicBook/{{Nova}}, Sam Alexander.
* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: ''OurWorldsAtWar'' came out in the middle of 2001. By the end of the story, it is in many ways TheDCU's 9/11.
* GadgeteerGenius: Hiro "Toyman" Okamura (who may have inspired Hiro ''Na''kamura on ''Series/{{Heroes}}'').
* IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming: He wrote four series for Marvel titled ''Daredevil: Yellow'', ''Spider-Man: Blue'', ''Hulk: Gray'', and ''Captain America: White''. Together, they form a ThematicSeries.
* InnerMonologue: He's this trope's poster boy.
* KickedUpstairs: In regards to his promotion as Marvel's Head of Television.
* KillEmAll: ''Ultimatum''.
* SignatureStyle:
** Loeb seems to like having superheroes disguise themselves as other superheroes. For example:
*** In ''Franchise/{{Superman}}/Franchise/{{Batman}}: Public Enemies'', Bats dresses up as {{Hawkman}} and Supes as [[{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]]. Actually kind of disturbing if you think about it; they had to undress Hawkman and Captain Marvel, even more disturbing is the fact that Captain Marvel is essentially a kid inside a grownup's body.
*** In ''Batman And The Spirit'', Bats and the Spirit switch costumes.
*** In ''Ultimates 3'', CaptainAmerica disguises himself as ComicBook/BlackPanther for no discernible reason. (explained in ''Ultimate Captain America Annual'' #1)
*** In ''Onslaught Reborn'', Wolverine disguises himself as Hawkeye.
** An unrelated but equally noticeable style of his; when he creates a new villain, that villain will be inserted into the past of the hero, and will instantly have deeply personal relationship with the hero to the point of becoming their new ArchEnemy; Hush, Bruce Wayne's childhood best friend (who had never been mentioned before), Romulus, who had secretly been manipulating Wolverine all his life, and RedHulk, who was actually General Thunderbolt Ross the whole time.
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6th Jan '14 7:58:39 AM LadyMomus
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The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).

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The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: TheLongHalloween'' ComicBook/TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).
28th Nov '13 9:21:38 PM nombretomado
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*** In ''Ultimates 3'', CaptainAmerica disguises himself as BlackPanther for no discernible reason. (explained in ''Ultimate Captain America Annual'' #1)

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*** In ''Ultimates 3'', CaptainAmerica disguises himself as BlackPanther ComicBook/BlackPanther for no discernible reason. (explained in ''Ultimate Captain America Annual'' #1)
3rd Oct '13 6:39:34 PM deathmaster87
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However, despite fan backlash and criticism, Loeb's comics have never sold better and he's considered one of the [[NiceGuy nicest guys]] in the industry; even his most devoted haters admit they can't bring themselves to hate him the way they hate his comics. Many people hope that one day he will become great once again and some even think he just [[TheWoobie needs a hug]].

to:

However, despite fan backlash and criticism, Loeb's comics have never sold better and he's considered one of the [[NiceGuy nicest guys]] in the industry; even his most devoted haters admit they can't bring themselves to hate him the way they hate his comics. Many people hope that one day he will become great once again and some even think he just [[TheWoobie needs a hug]].
hug]]. It seems he may even be getting back on track, as his recent run on ''ComicBook/{{Nova}}'' has been fairly well-liked.
2nd Oct '13 9:19:08 PM nombretomado
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One of Loeb's greatest successes was bringing his children -- Sam and Audrey -- into comics. Loeb was also a producer and writer for ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', ''{{Series/Lost}}'', and ''{{Series/Heroes}}''. Back at DC, he created ''Batman: Hush'' with Jim Lee and started the latest ''SupermanBatman'' ongoing series. He got multiple awards, including the Eisner Award for a Batman and TheSpirit crossover.

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One of Loeb's greatest successes was bringing his children -- Sam and Audrey -- into comics. Loeb was also a producer and writer for ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', ''{{Series/Lost}}'', and ''{{Series/Heroes}}''. Back at DC, he created ''Batman: Hush'' with Jim Lee and started the latest ''SupermanBatman'' ongoing series. He got multiple awards, including the Eisner Award for a Batman and TheSpirit ComicBook/TheSpirit crossover.
13th Jul '13 5:48:32 PM TVRulezAgain
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The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''{{Batman}}: TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).

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The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''{{Batman}}: ''Franchise/{{Batman}}: TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).



*** In ''{{Superman}}/{{Batman}}: Public Enemies'', Bats dresses up as {{Hawkman}} and Supes as [[{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]]. Actually kind of disturbing if you think about it; they had to undress Hawkman and Captain Marvel, even more disturbing is the fact that Captain Marvel is essentially a kid inside a grownup's body.

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*** In ''{{Superman}}/{{Batman}}: ''Franchise/{{Superman}}/Franchise/{{Batman}}: Public Enemies'', Bats dresses up as {{Hawkman}} and Supes as [[{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]]. Actually kind of disturbing if you think about it; they had to undress Hawkman and Captain Marvel, even more disturbing is the fact that Captain Marvel is essentially a kid inside a grownup's body.
5th Jul '13 6:19:17 PM AP
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* IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming: He wrote four series for Marvel titled ''Daredevil: Yellow'', ''Spider-Man: Blue'', ''Hulk: Gray'', and ''Captain America: White''.

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* IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming: He wrote four series for Marvel titled ''Daredevil: Yellow'', ''Spider-Man: Blue'', ''Hulk: Gray'', and ''Captain America: White''. Together, they form a ThematicSeries.



*** In ''Batman/TheSpirit'', Bats and the Spirit switch costumes.

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*** In ''Batman/TheSpirit'', ''Batman And The Spirit'', Bats and the Spirit switch costumes.
4th Jul '13 6:03:49 PM Tuckerscreator
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Jeph Loeb is a comics/film writer and TV producer. He started as a co-writer of ''Film/TeenWolf'', then wrote ''Film/{{Commando}}'' and a few other movies. While working on the script for TheFlash movie, he got an opportunity to write for DCComics.

The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''{{Batman}}: TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[{{ComicBook/IncredibleHulk}} Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).

One of Loeb's greatest successes was bringing his children -- Sam and Audrey -- into comics. Loeb was also a producer and writer for ''{{Smallville}}'', ''{{Lost}}'', and ''{{Series/Heroes}}''. Back at DC, he created ''Batman: Hush'' with Jim Lee and started the latest ''SupermanBatman'' ongoing series. He got multiple awards, including the Eisner Award for a Batman and TheSpirit crossover.

to:

Jeph Loeb is a comics/film writer and TV producer. He started as a co-writer of ''Film/TeenWolf'', then wrote ''Film/{{Commando}}'' and a few other movies. While working on the script for TheFlash movie, he got an opportunity to write for DCComics.Creator/DCComics.

The most acclaimed stories from his first foray into comics were the critical hits ''{{Batman}}: TheLongHalloween'' (one of three titles that were inspiration for ''Film/BatmanBegins''), ''[[DarkVictory Batman: Dark Victory]]'' and ''SupermanForAllSeasons'', which he created with artist Tim Sale. Later, also with Sale, he wrote three mini-series for MarvelComics, Creator/MarvelComics, ''ComicBook/{{Spider-Man Blue}}'', ''[[{{Daredevil}} Daredevil: Yellow]]'', and ''[[{{ComicBook/IncredibleHulk}} ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk: Gray]]'' each telling early stories of the title characters, centered around their relationships with now dead LoveInterests (respectively [[TheGwenStacy Gwen Stacy]], Karen Page and Betty Banner).

One of Loeb's greatest successes was bringing his children -- Sam and Audrey -- into comics. Loeb was also a producer and writer for ''{{Smallville}}'', ''{{Lost}}'', ''{{Series/Smallville}}'', ''{{Series/Lost}}'', and ''{{Series/Heroes}}''. Back at DC, he created ''Batman: Hush'' with Jim Lee and started the latest ''SupermanBatman'' ongoing series. He got multiple awards, including the Eisner Award for a Batman and TheSpirit crossover.



But Jeph, understandably, wasn't the same man he was before. While his titles ''always'' had flaws -- CriticalResearchFailure and ContinuitySnarl among others -- after coming to Marvel, his work was quickly criticized by many fans as some of the worst in current comics. ''[[CaptainAmerica Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America]]'', where superheroes come to terms with the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOntheTin death of Captain America]] is considered the best of these recent works. His runs on ''{{Wolverine}}'' and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' are infamous among most fans for introducing two {{Villain Sue}}s who, confusingly, predate the origins and adventures of the main characters -- [[TheChessmaster Romulus]] and RedHulk. His run on ''TheUltimates'' has been labeled as full of CharacterDerailment and ''{{Ultimatum}}'' is generally considered to rival ''CountdownToFinalCrisis'', ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', and ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' in terms of quality. He was also forced to leave ''Heroes'' because NBC didn't like the course of the story (and because according to some, Loeb was stealing series writers for UltimateMarvel).

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But Jeph, understandably, wasn't the same man he was before. While his titles ''always'' had flaws -- CriticalResearchFailure and ContinuitySnarl among others -- after coming to Marvel, his work was quickly criticized by many fans as some of the worst in current comics. ''[[CaptainAmerica ''[[ComicBook/CaptainAmerica Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America]]'', where superheroes come to terms with the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOntheTin death of Captain America]] is considered the best of these recent works. His runs on ''{{Wolverine}}'' and ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]]'' are infamous among most fans for introducing two {{Villain Sue}}s who, confusingly, predate the origins and adventures of the main characters -- [[TheChessmaster Romulus]] and RedHulk. ComicBook/RedHulk. His run on ''TheUltimates'' has been labeled as full of CharacterDerailment and ''{{Ultimatum}}'' is generally considered to rival ''CountdownToFinalCrisis'', ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', and ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'' in terms of quality. He was also forced to leave ''Heroes'' because NBC didn't like the course of the story (and because according to some, Loeb was stealing series writers for UltimateMarvel).
19th Jun '13 9:04:56 PM honorio78
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Our movies, believe it or not, are PG-13. While everybody can and should go to them, there are families out there who feel like maybe they're a little too old. What we wanted to do is create an opportunity where it absolutely is a four-quadrant: We want women, we want families, we want kids, and we want men to be able to watch the show. But if at the end of the day, the good news that we get is, every single kid in America is going to be watching the show, and throughout the world? I'll take that.

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--> Our movies, believe it or not, are PG-13. While everybody can and should go to them, there are families out there who feel like maybe they're a little too old. What we wanted to do is create an opportunity where it absolutely is a four-quadrant: We want women, we want families, we want kids, and we want men to be able to watch the show. But if at the end of the day, the good news that we get is, every single kid in America is going to be watching the show, and throughout the world? I'll take that.
19th Jun '13 9:04:15 PM honorio78
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** [[http://www.newsarama.com/18149-loeb-seagle-focus-on-core-characters-in-avengers-assemble.html From a Newsrama's interview]]:
--> '''Loeb''': (...)The reality is that we're on a network, Disney XD, which is largely known as being a kids' network. We're not going to shy away from that. We want to be able to bring that audience in, because in many cases, it's going to be their first opportunity to get to know the Marvel Universe. And that's a pretty big thing. We want to be able to share our universe with the next group of Marvel fans, however they're going to come in.

Our movies, believe it or not, are PG-13. While everybody can and should go to them, there are families out there who feel like maybe they're a little too old. What we wanted to do is create an opportunity where it absolutely is a four-quadrant: We want women, we want families, we want kids, and we want men to be able to watch the show. But if at the end of the day, the good news that we get is, every single kid in America is going to be watching the show, and throughout the world? I'll take that.
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