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15th Apr '18 5:55:58 PM Kissinger113
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** That about sums up Phineas and Ferb's whole situation. When you have to build your own super-intelligent AI and program it to trap you repeatedly in order to have a little fun, and then you defeat it effortlessly, it's difficult to ''ever'' feel afraid for you. The only times Phineas and Ferb ''can't'' do something is usually when they simply decide that they can't. Accordingly, if there's any tension in ''Phineas and Ferb'', it's usually emotional tension, such as Phineas being angry at Perry in TheMovie. Candace is in [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption the opposite situation]].

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** That about sums up Phineas and Ferb's whole situation. When you have to build your own super-intelligent AI and program it to trap you repeatedly in order to have a little fun, and then you defeat it effortlessly, it's difficult to ''ever'' feel afraid for you. The only times Phineas and Ferb ''can't'' do something is usually when they simply decide that they can't. Accordingly, if there's any tension in ''Phineas and Ferb'', it's usually emotional tension, such as Phineas being angry at Perry in TheMovie. Candace is in [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption the opposite situation]].
14th Apr '18 10:13:31 PM nombretomado
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': This is one problem that AntiHero Accelerator can run into at times: his powers are so unbelievably strong and versatile that there are very few situations that are any threat to him whatsoever, even after he's been DePowered to some extent. Like Alucard of ''{{Hellsing}}'', he tends to keep the fans' interest because it is usually ''very'' entertaining watching him slaughter all the bad guys, and the focus of his battles is usually on his inner character rather than the carnage he's perpetuating.

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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'': This is one problem that AntiHero Accelerator can run into at times: his powers are so unbelievably strong and versatile that there are very few situations that are any threat to him whatsoever, even after he's been DePowered to some extent. Like Alucard of ''{{Hellsing}}'', ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'', he tends to keep the fans' interest because it is usually ''very'' entertaining watching him slaughter all the bad guys, and the focus of his battles is usually on his inner character rather than the carnage he's perpetuating.
8th Mar '18 6:48:28 AM MasterFuzzy
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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' intentionally sets out to subvert this - sure, Harry, the titular Child of the Storm, is a demigod because of his being the son of Thor, who had incarnated as James Potter as a first run at the whole humility thing. Needless to say, it went horribly wrong and Thor had to have his mind wiped because the grief of losing his wife and the shock of being murdered drove him insane. Sure, his mother is a relative of the Grey clan (as in, Jean Grey) and passes on to Harry the psychic abilities associated with that name. [[spoiler: Plus, his protection is basically the Phoenix Force, which his mother merged with.]] On paper, he's invincible, but the slow development of these abilities in contrast to the rapid increase in the kind of threat his enemies pose, his total inexperience with his abilities (something which Baron Zemo and Daken exploit ruthlessly [[spoiler: with Daken even succeeding in killing him in chapter 70]]) and his being a GlassCannon negate those on-paper advantages, even before one takes into account that he tends to go after people who are even more powerful than he is. Moreover, the key thrust of the story is that above all, Harry is a young boy who simply wants a family and something approximating a normal life (though he comes to reluctantly accept that part of him enjoys life or death fights). As a result, the primary source of tension and drama is his emotionally adjusting to his dramatically altered circumstances, handling the tremendous amount of stress placed on him by facing numerous murder attempts [[spoiler: including one successful one]], a [[spoiler: failure to save Luna Lovegood from HYDRA's attack, who he'd gone out of his way to protect]] and dealing with a lifetime's worth of repressed emotions as he opens up - rage chief among them - the latter two resulting in [[ShellShockedVeteran PTSD]]. [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking And then there's puberty,]] which comes with plenty of challenges of its own.

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' intentionally sets out to subvert this - sure, Harry, the titular Child of the Storm, is a demigod because of his being the son of Thor, who had incarnated as James Potter as a first run at the whole humility thing. Needless to say, it went horribly wrong and Thor had to have his mind wiped because the grief of losing his wife and the shock of being murdered drove him insane. Sure, his mother is a relative of the Grey clan (as in, Jean Grey) and passes on to Harry the psychic abilities associated with that name. [[spoiler: Plus, his protection is basically the Phoenix Force, Force[=/=]Destruction of the Endless, which his mother merged with.]] On paper, he's invincible, but the slow development of these abilities in contrast to the rapid increase in the kind of threat his enemies pose, his total inexperience with his abilities (something which Baron Zemo and Daken exploit ruthlessly abilities, [[spoiler: with Daken even succeeding in killing him in chapter 70]]) and his being a GlassCannon negate those on-paper advantages, even before one takes into account that he tends to go after people who are even more powerful than he is. is.
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Moreover, the key thrust of the story is that above all, Harry is a young boy who [[IJustWantToBeNormal simply wants a family and something approximating a normal life life]] (though he comes to reluctantly accept that part of him enjoys life or death fights). As a result, the primary source of tension and drama is his emotionally adjusting to his dramatically altered circumstances, handling the tremendous amount of stress placed on him by facing numerous murder attempts [[spoiler: including one successful one]], a [[spoiler: failure to save Luna Lovegood from HYDRA's attack, who he'd gone out of his way to protect]] attempts, losing close friends, and dealing with a lifetime's worth of repressed emotions as he opens up - rage chief among them - the latter two resulting in [[ShellShockedVeteran PTSD]]. [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking And then there's puberty,]] which comes with plenty of challenges of its own.own.
*** Meanwhile, the Avengers also seem on paper to be invincible, composed of two {{Badass Normal}}s, a billionaire GadgeteerGenius, a SuperSoldier and LivingLegend who kind of lives up to the legend, a man with ''breathtaking'' anger issues who can match a PhysicalGod [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk for strength and toughness]] when he isn't wielding an insightful scientific mind, and two {{Physical God}}s, Loki having been ReformedButNotTamed. But they can be tricked, captured, and defeated, as [[spoiler: HYDRA]] prove in the first book and [[spoiler: the Red Court and their Outsider allies]] in the second.
20th Feb '18 8:57:06 PM Snow_Fire
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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' is a big offender. Every single battle between Romans (or, really, anyone) and Gauls has the Gauls [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] their opponents, thanks to their magic potion that grants SuperSpeed, SuperReflexes, SuperStrength, and arguably NighInvulnerability. Plus, even in case of a shortage, they have [[TheJuggernaut Obelix]], who doesn't need to drink any potion since he fell in it during his childhood, and the effect never wore off. As a result, the Romans never, ''ever'', in any comic, manage to gain the smallest durable advantage over the Gauls.
** Most plot tension actually comes from [[TheHero Asterix]] being excessively prudent and avoiding confrontation with Romans troops, even though he and Obelix are more than able to defeat hundreds of EliteMooks on their own, and have already done so a few times.
** When trying to steal Caesar's laurel wreath, Asterix states that the magic potion doesn't protect from being harmed by Roman weapons. Whether it's true or not is unclear, but they never seem to be hurt anyway.
** On one occasion, a Gaul spy working for Caesar pulls what looks like a perfect XanatosGambit: he tries to prevent Asterix from getting [[MacGuffin the oil necessary to cook the magic potion]] by all means necessary, hoping to trick Getafix into giving him the recipe. Even after Asterix somehow [[DeusExMachina stumbles upon an oil well]], he destroys their oil bag and informs Ceasar that the Gauls [[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow are now totally deprived of their only mean of defense]]. Except that Getafix turns out to have found a new recipe for the magic potion during their journey.
** In ''Asterix and the Cauldron'', Asterix and Obelix sign up for some prize fights in order to raise money. However, the Magic Potion makes the fights so one-sided that people quickly lose interest, and the fight promoter runs out of other fighters willing to fight the pair.
** The reason Asterix is excessively prudent some of the time, is that there are often non-powered allies or something else that they want to protect, like a barrel of magic potion (in ''Asterix in Britain'') and a direct confrontation would put them or it at peril. Otherwise, plot tension happens only when Asterix loses his flask of potion.
* Franchise/{{Superman}}, with a few exceptions, such as never being able to beat archvillains such as {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} or ComicBook/LexLuthor, though that's mostly due to JokerImmunity.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' Franchise/{{Superman}} is a big offender. Every single battle between Romans (or, really, anyone) and Gauls has perhaps the Gauls [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] their opponents, thanks to their magic potion that grants SuperSpeed, SuperReflexes, SuperStrength, and arguably NighInvulnerability. Plus, even in case of a shortage, they have [[TheJuggernaut Obelix]], who doesn't need to drink any potion since he fell in it during his childhood, and the effect never wore off. As a result, the Romans never, ''ever'', in any comic, manage to gain the smallest durable advantage over the Gauls.
** Most plot tension actually comes from [[TheHero Asterix]] being excessively prudent and avoiding confrontation with Romans troops, even though he and Obelix are more than able to defeat hundreds of EliteMooks on their own, and have already done so a few times.
** When trying to steal Caesar's laurel wreath, Asterix states that the magic potion doesn't protect from being harmed by Roman weapons. Whether it's true or not is unclear, but they never seem to be hurt anyway.
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most famous example, albeit one occasion, a Gaul spy working for Caesar pulls what looks like a perfect XanatosGambit: he tries DependingOnTheWriter. He's just really hard to prevent Asterix from getting [[MacGuffin the oil necessary to cook the magic potion]] by all means necessary, hoping to trick Getafix into giving him the recipe. Even after Asterix somehow [[DeusExMachina stumbles upon an oil well]], he destroys their oil bag and informs Ceasar that the Gauls [[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow are now totally deprived of their only mean of defense]]. Except that Getafix turns take out to have found a new recipe for the magic potion during their journey.
** In ''Asterix and the Cauldron'', Asterix and Obelix sign up for some prize fights
in order to raise money. However, the Magic Potion makes the fights so one-sided that people quickly lose interest, and the a "fair" fight promoter runs out of other fighters willing to fight the pair.
** The reason Asterix is excessively prudent some of the time, is that there are often non-powered allies or something else that they want to protect, like a barrel of magic potion (in ''Asterix in Britain'') and a direct confrontation would put them or it at peril. Otherwise, plot tension happens only
when Asterix loses his flask of potion.
* Franchise/{{Superman}}, with a few exceptions, such as never being able to beat
the KryptoniteFactor isn't in play (or JokerImmunity for certain archvillains such as {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} or ComicBook/LexLuthor, though that's mostly due ComicBook/LexLuthor). Not all writers know how to JokerImmunity.write a good Superman story that lets Superman use his powers but that doesn't instantly kill all tension in the plot.



** Long story short, Superman's biggest problem is DependingOnTheWriter. Some people just don't know how to write him, so he comes across as dull and too powerful.
*** At several points, attempts have been made to give Superman weaknesses and vulnerabilities in order to have him being seriously threatened and make him relatable. Kryptonite was the first such attempt, but then writers simply took off with it, inventing literally dozens of forms of kryptonite with each one affecting him differently. It got so bad that some people did the math and calculated that Krypton must have been a planet roughly the size of the entire solar system in order for so many different chunks of it, randomly distributed throughout space by the planet exploding many light years away, to have found their way to earth. Then the idea was put up that if he was cut off from the rays of our yellow sun, then his powers would quickly fade. Okay for awhile, but then it was retconned that his cells all acted as storage batteries, storing sufficient amounts of energy to keep his powers going for quite some time, even if cut off from the sun. Currently, Superman is depicted as being very vulnerable to magic.

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** Long story short, Superman's biggest problem TheAdventuresOfSuperman, the 1950s George Reeve television show, is DependingOnTheWriter. Some people just don't know how somewhat unusual to write him, so he comes across as dull and too powerful.
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modern expectations in largely having a parade of petty mobsters be the villains. The better episodes have there be some tension in the villainous plots; the weaker episodes, well, it turns out those bullets are bouncing off Superman. Again.
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At several points, attempts have been made to give Superman weaknesses and vulnerabilities in order to have him being seriously threatened and make him relatable. Kryptonite was the first such attempt, but then writers simply took off with it, inventing literally dozens of forms of kryptonite with each one affecting him differently. It got so bad that some people did the math and calculated that Krypton must have been a planet roughly the size of the entire solar system in order for so many different chunks of it, randomly distributed throughout space by the planet exploding many light years away, to have found their way to earth. Then the idea was put up that if he was cut off from the rays of our yellow sun, then his powers would quickly fade. Okay for awhile, but then it was retconned that his cells all acted as storage batteries, storing sufficient amounts of energy to keep his powers going for quite some time, even if cut off from the sun. Currently, Superman is depicted as being very vulnerable to magic.



** Batman is invincible, not always victorious. He often loses, or fails to catch the villain. [[spoiler: War Games, Under the Red Hood, Death in the Family]] are costly losses, [[spoiler: The Pearl]] was a [[PyrrhicVictory costly win]], [[spoiler:the Killing Joke]] is a Pyrrhic unresolved.

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** Batman is invincible, but not always victorious. He often loses, or fails to catch the villain. victorious. [[spoiler: War Games, Under the Red Hood, Death in the Family]] are costly losses, [[spoiler: The Pearl]] was a [[PyrrhicVictory costly win]], [[spoiler:the Killing Joke]] is a Pyrrhic unresolved.


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* ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'' is a big offender. Every single battle between Romans (or, really, anyone) and Gauls has the Gauls [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomp]] their opponents, thanks to their magic potion that grants SuperSpeed, SuperReflexes, SuperStrength, and arguably NighInvulnerability. Plus, even in case of a shortage, they have [[TheJuggernaut Obelix]], who doesn't need to drink any potion since he fell in it during his childhood, and the effect never wore off. As a result, the Romans never, ''ever'', in any comic, manage to gain the smallest durable advantage over the Gauls.
** Most plot tension actually comes from [[TheHero Asterix]] being excessively prudent and avoiding confrontation with Romans troops, even though he and Obelix are more than able to defeat hundreds of EliteMooks on their own, and have already done so a few times.
** When trying to steal Caesar's laurel wreath, Asterix states that the magic potion doesn't protect from being harmed by Roman weapons. Whether it's true or not is unclear, but they never seem to be hurt anyway.
** On one occasion, a Gaul spy working for Caesar pulls what looks like a perfect XanatosGambit: he tries to prevent Asterix from getting [[MacGuffin the oil necessary to cook the magic potion]] by all means necessary, hoping to trick Getafix into giving him the recipe. Even after Asterix somehow [[DeusExMachina stumbles upon an oil well]], he destroys their oil bag and informs Ceasar that the Gauls [[OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow are now totally deprived of their only mean of defense]]. Except that Getafix turns out to have found a new recipe for the magic potion during their journey.
** In ''Asterix and the Cauldron'', Asterix and Obelix sign up for some prize fights in order to raise money. However, the Magic Potion makes the fights so one-sided that people quickly lose interest, and the fight promoter runs out of other fighters willing to fight the pair.
** The reason Asterix is excessively prudent some of the time, is that there are often non-powered allies or something else that they want to protect, like a barrel of magic potion (in ''Asterix in Britain'') and a direct confrontation would put them or it at peril. Otherwise, plot tension happens only when Asterix loses his flask of potion.
8th Feb '18 1:13:11 AM SeptimusHeap
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-->'''Servo''': I've never read any of the books in this series, and I'll bet I know everything there is to know about him already. He's really good at everything that he does, which is everything done by any American of his age and class. Girls admire him, but he only has pure love for one. He's RogerRamjet played straight. He is, in effect, every bit as annoying as every MarySue ever penned.

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-->'''Servo''': I've never read any of the books in this series, and I'll bet I know everything there is to know about him already. He's really good at everything that he does, which is everything done by any American of his age and class. Girls admire him, but he only has pure love for one. He's RogerRamjet WesternAnimation/RogerRamjet played straight. He is, in effect, every bit as annoying as every MarySue ever penned.
5th Feb '18 6:19:02 AM JaccarTheEaterOfCakes
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-->-- '''fantasyfaction.com''', ''[[http://fantasy-faction.com/2011/writing-fight-scenes Writing Fight Scenes]]''

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-->-- '''fantasyfaction.com''', ''[[http://fantasy-faction.com/2011/writing-fight-scenes com/2015/writing-fight-scenes Writing Fight Scenes]]''
3rd Feb '18 11:32:41 PM Snowy66
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* Many fans agree that ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' would be a much better show without its main protagonist, Kirito. He's shown to be ridiculously smart (having built a top-of-the-line custom gaming PC at age 14, knowing how to hack SAO's code, among other things), and is easily considered the best player. He wins every fight with little effort. In fact, one of the only times he's ever lost was when his opponent cheated. There's one scene in particular in which a gang of player-killers rush him. He stands still, completely unfazed while he explains that his health regeneration skill is so high that ''it refills at a faster rate than his enemies can deal out damage.'' Later on, he gains a sword skill that is exclusive to him and him alone. Even when his health is depleted to zero, he somehow wills himself back to life to land the finishing blow on Kayaba. It isn't until the end of [=SAO2=] that he actually loses a fight fair and square, and by that point it hardly matters.

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* Many fans agree that ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' would be a much better show without its main protagonist, Kirito.Kirito of ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline''. He's shown to be ridiculously smart (having built a top-of-the-line custom gaming PC at age 14, knowing how to hack SAO's code, among other things), and is easily considered the best player. He wins every fight with little effort. In fact, one of the only times he's ever lost was when his opponent cheated. There's one scene in particular in which a gang of player-killers rush him. He stands still, completely unfazed while he explains that his health regeneration skill is so high that ''it refills at a faster rate than his enemies can deal out damage.'' Later on, he gains a sword skill that is exclusive to him and him alone. Even when his health is depleted to zero, he somehow wills himself back to life to land the finishing blow on Kayaba. It isn't until the end of [=SAO2=] that he actually loses a fight fair and square, and by that point it hardly matters.
28th Jan '18 4:21:14 PM nombretomado
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* In sports, whenever a season gets utterly dominated by [[TheJuggernaut an unstoppable favorite]], particularly if [[http://www.gq.com/story/golden-state-warriors-ruining-nba-basketball even other strong contestants can't keep up with them]]. At time fans can still like it, particularly a Flashy Invincible Hero (the NBA Finals' audience records were when MichaelJordan was trampling everyone). Other times, they'll just get bored (Michael Schumacher winning five straight UsefulNotes/FormulaOne championships, with barely any competition most years), or outright mixed reception (The modern day New England Patriots with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady).

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* In sports, whenever a season gets utterly dominated by [[TheJuggernaut an unstoppable favorite]], particularly if [[http://www.gq.com/story/golden-state-warriors-ruining-nba-basketball even other strong contestants can't keep up with them]]. At time fans can still like it, particularly a Flashy Invincible Hero (the NBA Finals' audience records were when MichaelJordan UsefulNotes/MichaelJordan was trampling everyone). Other times, they'll just get bored (Michael Schumacher winning five straight UsefulNotes/FormulaOne championships, with barely any competition most years), or outright mixed reception (The modern day New England Patriots with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady).
24th Jan '18 5:55:57 PM nombretomado
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* ''Manga/{{Akagi}}'' never loses a game of {{Mahjong}} in the anime or the manga. However he is reported to have once been beaten by the main character in author Fukumoto's earlier work ''Anime/{{Ten}}''.

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* ''Manga/{{Akagi}}'' never loses a game of {{Mahjong}} TabletopGame/{{Mahjong}} in the anime or the manga. However he is reported to have once been beaten by the main character in author Fukumoto's earlier work ''Anime/{{Ten}}''.
23rd Jan '18 1:52:19 AM BrotherGrimace
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** [[SubvertedTrope Subverted slightly]] with the introduction of Eliot's EvilCounterpart [[BadassInANiceSuit Quinn]] - who we find is actually NotSoDifferent (he easily fight's at Eliot's level) to the point that the team calls him in ''as Eliot's substitute'' when they find themselves in an EnemyMine situation.

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** [[SubvertedTrope Subverted slightly]] with the introduction of Eliot's EvilCounterpart [[BadassInANiceSuit Quinn]] - who we find is actually NotSoDifferent (he easily fight's fights at Eliot's level) to the point that the team calls him in ''as Eliot's substitute'' when they find themselves in an EnemyMine situation.
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