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12th Apr '17 9:03:48 PM DPsycho
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* There are many {{RPG}}s out there that allow healing spells to be used outside of combat, meaning chances are that they will be your most used spells in the game as they're not confined to battle scenes. That's more that can be said for... pretty much anything else your character can do in combat.

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* There are many {{RPG}}s out there that allow healing spells to be used outside of combat, meaning chances are that they will be your most used spells in the game as they're not confined to battle scenes. That's more that than can be said for... pretty much anything else your character can do in combat.
12th Apr '17 8:47:40 PM DPsycho
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** Holds more or less true in the 2003 series as well, although it's pretty clear that Leoa nd raph are deliberately holding back to avoid killing anyone. For example, in ''WesternAnimation/TurtlesForever'', when the 1987 and 2003 turtles fight a group of Foot Clan robots, 2003 Raphael wrestles a robot until he's told it isn't human, at which point he stabs it through the head with his dagger, yelling "I love fighting robots!".
** Given that original comic books featured a lot more brutality. Having Turtles constantly be covered in scars, and having actually killing Foot with said weapons. And cutting off Saki's head.
** Curious example from the 80's cartoon; after a couple of seasons, parents complain about Michelangelo's nunchuks, cause kids supposedly started to imitate him (remember the toy nunchucks covered in foamy? ...well simply they just remove the cover and beat the plastic out of each other), so in later seasons the producers replace Mikey's weapon with a rope/grappling hook thing. Talking about something pretty lame.

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** Holds more or less true in the 2003 series as well, although it's pretty clear that Leoa nd raph Leo and Raph are deliberately holding back to avoid killing anyone. For example, in ''WesternAnimation/TurtlesForever'', when the 1987 and 2003 turtles fight a group of Foot Clan robots, 2003 Raphael wrestles a robot until he's told it isn't human, at which point he stabs it through the head with his dagger, yelling "I love fighting robots!".
** Given that Given, the original comic books featured a lot more brutality. Having The Turtles were constantly be covered in scars, and having they actually killing killed Foot with said weapons. And cutting off Saki's head.
their weapons and decapitated Saki.
** Curious example from the 80's cartoon; after a couple of seasons, parents complain complained about Michelangelo's nunchuks, cause because kids supposedly started to imitate him (remember the toy nunchucks covered in foamy? ...foam? ...well simply they just remove removed the cover and beat the plastic out of each other), so other). So in later seasons the producers replace replaced Mikey's weapon with a rope/grappling hook thing. Talking Talk about something pretty lame.
3rd Apr '17 2:47:31 PM wrpen99
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** [[spoiler: ''Shockingly'' averted in [[DarkerAndEdgier Season 5]], where thanks to the TV-14 rating Jack kills for the first time in his life, slicing the throat of one of the Daughters of Aku. The end builds this as a DespairEventHorizon...]][[spoiler:and the next episode involves him downright javelining another two, stabbing a third, and punching another one so hard it twists her neck. He throws the last two down a cliff, but Jack himself falls after them, showing it to be a survivable fall.]]
4th Mar '17 2:27:15 PM nombretomado
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** Interestingly, impressionable kids are a problem for Johnny ''in-story'' too. He's been driven to TenMinuteRetirement twice by hearing that some poor, misguided fan has burned himself to death. (This was a genuine fear at [[MarvelComics Marvel]]; there's an urban legend that the Torch was left out of ''WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1978'' cartoon for this reason. Actually, the character couldn't be used because the rights were tied up.)

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** Interestingly, impressionable kids are a problem for Johnny ''in-story'' too. He's been driven to TenMinuteRetirement twice by hearing that some poor, misguided fan has burned himself to death. (This was a genuine fear at [[MarvelComics Marvel]]; Creator/{{Marvel|Comics}}; there's an urban legend that the Torch was left out of ''WesternAnimation/TheFantasticFour1978'' cartoon for this reason. Actually, the character couldn't be used because the rights were tied up.)
1st Jan '17 5:03:21 AM ester
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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry Dresden and his apprentice, [[spoiler: Molly Carpenter]], have this going on with their respective focuses. Harry's very good at combat magic (he admits on multiple occasions that really power, but lacks finesse), which includes massive gouts of flame, wind, and force, and while he's got some skill with magical tinkering, he'll never be any good at subtle magics. [[spoiler: Molly]], on the other hand, is incredibly skilled with mind magic and veils, meaning that [[spoiler: she's]] got a lot of non-combat potential... but somewhat lacking at working up the will to protect [[spoiler: herself]] in battle, despite have more raw power than Dresden. At one point [[spoiler:she]] she creates a massive-scale illusion of fog over water (which tends to negate magic) and hold it, while moving, and, in the process, seriously impresses Harry and Thomas with the sheer power involved.

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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry Dresden and his apprentice, [[spoiler: Molly Carpenter]], have this going on with their respective focuses. Harry's very good at combat magic (he admits on multiple occasions that really power, but lacks finesse), which includes massive gouts of flame, wind, and force, and while he's got some skill with magical tinkering, he'll never be any good at subtle magics. [[spoiler: Molly]], on the other hand, is incredibly skilled with mind magic and veils, meaning that [[spoiler: she's]] got a lot of non-combat potential... but somewhat lacking at working up the will to protect [[spoiler: herself]] in battle, despite have more raw power than Dresden. At one point [[spoiler:she]] she creates a massive-scale illusion of fog over water (which tends to negate magic) and hold it, while moving, and, in the process, seriously impresses Harry and Thomas with the sheer power involved.
26th Dec '16 12:59:57 PM MiddleEighth
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**To the point where, in ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone'', Paul comes to actively hate most of it and is desperately jealous of the others. Though he does get some mileage out of his invulnerability, and he does develop some useful secondary and tertiary powers, like the ability to see magic and energy. But he has little flexibility with most of his magic.
12th Dec '16 2:09:24 AM RobTan
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** Holds more or less true in the 2003 series as well, although it's pretty clear that Leoa nd raph are deliberately holding back to avoid killing anyone. For example, in ''WesternAnimation/TurtlesForever'', when the 1987 and 2003 turtles fight a group of Foot Clan robots, 2003 Raphael wrestles a robot until he's told it isn't human, at which point he stabs it through the head with his dagger, yelling "I love fighting robots!".
10th Dec '16 9:49:36 PM AtmosBlitzer
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* Maya from ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' has a particularly bad case of BadPowersBadPeople: the ability to make everyone around her faint, then die. That said, she [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] this trope and uses the power quite frequently to great effect thanks to her brother helping "cure" those afflicted before they die. Once she could do it solo though, she almost took down the [[JokerImmunity unbelievably resilient]] MagnificentBastard Sylar. On the other hand, Sylar's power is the ability to intuitively understand how things work. That doesn't sound so amazing until Sylar quickly figures out he can use it to learn other people's superpowers, making him one of the most powerful people in the world.

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* Maya from ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' has a particularly bad case of BadPowersBadPeople: BadPowersGoodPeople: the ability to make everyone around her faint, then die. That said, she [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] this trope and uses the power quite frequently to great effect thanks to her brother helping "cure" those afflicted before they die. Once she could do it solo though, she almost took down the [[JokerImmunity unbelievably resilient]] MagnificentBastard Sylar. On the other hand, Sylar's power is the ability to intuitively understand how things work. That doesn't sound so amazing until Sylar quickly figures out he can use it to learn other people's superpowers, making him one of the most powerful people in the world.
2nd Dec '16 10:21:55 AM LBHills
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Often, this phenomenon will go completely unnoticed inside a show or game, becoming at most the subject of a PlotTailoredToTheParty to "prove" how versatile the heroes truly are. No one InUniverse realizes the full power of the character with the GreenLanternRing. When a character realizes their power has lethal applications, it's a case of LethalHarmlessPowers. Compare the InverseLawOfComplexityToPower, where "simple" powers have more oomph than more abstract ones, BoringButPractical and the aesthetic aspects of CoolButInefficient.

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Often, this phenomenon will go completely unnoticed inside a show or game, becoming at most the subject of a PlotTailoredToTheParty to "prove" how versatile the heroes truly are. No one InUniverse realizes the full power of the character with the GreenLanternRing.SwissArmySuperpower. When a character realizes their power has lethal applications, it's a case of LethalHarmlessPowers. Compare the InverseLawOfComplexityToPower, where "simple" powers have more oomph than more abstract ones, BoringButPractical and the aesthetic aspects of CoolButInefficient.
2nd Dec '16 10:20:53 AM LBHills
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In TabletopGames, where the violence part is satisfyingly effective, this can be described as [[{{Munchkin}} characters who overspecialize in combat]] over social interaction hitting a brick wall when they can't hack and slash past an obstacle. These "wimpy" social characters can, if (role) played well, accomplish amazing things even if they aren't combat monsters. (Example: A Fighter can kill TheDragon in [[CombatByChampion single combat]], but a Diplomat can raise an army to bring [[TheEmpire the entire Empire]] to its knees).

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In TabletopGames, where the violence part a character built for lethality is satisfyingly effective, this can be described as [[{{Munchkin}} usually very gratifying. However, such characters who overspecialize in combat]] over social interaction hitting a brick wall tend to be flummoxed when they encounter anything they can't hack and slash past an obstacle. These "wimpy" social characters can, if (role) played well, through. Characters built for utility - stealth, diplomacy, or even climbing the InsurmountableWaistHighFence - can accomplish amazing things even if they aren't combat monsters. (Example: A Fighter can kill TheDragon in [[CombatByChampion single combat]], but a Diplomat can raise an army to bring [[TheEmpire the entire Empire]] to its knees).
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