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12th Aug '16 12:16:37 AM PaulA
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-->'''Metzov:''' In the event of a mutiny, you could always persuade the Army to shoot the Navy, or vice versa, when they could no longer discipline themselves. A hidden disadvantage to a combined service like ours... It's now a matter of principle.\\
'''Miles:''' Principle, Sir? What Principle! It's ''waste disposal!''[[note]]Metzov is trying to force his men into a known biohazard area to try to salvage some of the leaking chemical weapons there. His men are rather understandably reluctant to do this, and an alternative plan of action exists that doesn't entail anyone risking getting their balls curdled -- but Metzov believes that having his orders obeyed is much more important than whether those orders make any kind of sense.[[/note]]

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-->'''Metzov:''' In the event of a mutiny, you could always persuade the Army to shoot the Navy, or vice versa, when they could no longer discipline themselves. A hidden disadvantage to a combined service like ours... It's now a matter of principle.\\
'''Miles:''' Principle, Sir? What Principle! It's ''waste disposal!''[[note]]Metzov is trying to force his men into a known biohazard area to try to salvage some of the leaking chemical weapons there. His men are rather understandably reluctant to do this, and an alternative plan of action exists that doesn't entail anyone risking getting their balls curdled -- but Metzov believes that having his orders obeyed is much more important than whether those orders make any kind of sense.[[/note]]
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12th Aug '16 12:15:53 AM PaulA
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* In ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]'' by LoisMcMasterBujold, one villain talks about how he regrets the ''lack'' of interservice rivalry in the military he's serving in--he feels it gave the top brass more leverage when dealing with mutineers.
--> '''Metzov''': In the event of a mutiny, you could always persuade the Army to shoot the Navy, or vice versa, when they could no longer discipline themselves. A hidden disadvantage to a combined service like ours... It's now a matter of principle.
--> '''Miles''': Principle, Sir? What Principle! It's ''waste disposal!'' [[note]]Metzov is trying to force his men into a known biohazard area to try to salvage some of the leaking chemical weapons there. His men are rather understandably reluctant to do this, and an alternative plan of action exists that doesn't entail anyone risking getting their balls curdled - but Metzov believes that having his orders obeyed is much more important than whether those orders make any kind of sense.[[/note]]

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* In ''[[Literature/VorkosiganSaga The Vor Game]]'' ''Literature/TheVorGame'' by LoisMcMasterBujold, Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold, one villain talks about how he regrets the ''lack'' of interservice rivalry in the military he's serving in--he feels it gave the top brass more leverage when dealing with mutineers.
--> '''Metzov''': -->'''Metzov:''' In the event of a mutiny, you could always persuade the Army to shoot the Navy, or vice versa, when they could no longer discipline themselves. A hidden disadvantage to a combined service like ours... It's now a matter of principle.
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principle.\\
'''Miles:'''
Principle, Sir? What Principle! It's ''waste disposal!'' [[note]]Metzov disposal!''[[note]]Metzov is trying to force his men into a known biohazard area to try to salvage some of the leaking chemical weapons there. His men are rather understandably reluctant to do this, and an alternative plan of action exists that doesn't entail anyone risking getting their balls curdled - -- but Metzov believes that having his orders obeyed is much more important than whether those orders make any kind of sense.[[/note]]
10th Aug '16 7:37:07 AM ObliqueFault
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* Taken UpToEleven by the [[TsaristRussia Tsars]]: they had competing ''civilian bureaucracies'', named Interior and Finance. There was no real division of purpose between the two. Noble families would pick a side and serve as bureaucrats for a particular ministry for generations.\\\
The Tsars would sometimes favor whichever ministry was more effective, but more often would favor the underdog to keep either one from gaining too much power. Alternatively they would set up their own bureaucracy, which would languish after their death, but never be officially disbanded. The terrible inefficiency of all this is one of the many reasons the Tsars fell.
6th Aug '16 8:50:18 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The [[SuperSoldier SPARTANS-IIs]] and the [[BadassNormal ODSTs]] in ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''. Before the Spartans came into the picture, the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers were the elites of the United Nations Space Command Defence Forces, so when the Spartans took over as the elite, the [=ODSTs=] weren't happy about it. What was more insulting to them was that, when John-117 killed two ODST troopers in a gym in his earlier ages, he wasn't punished for it (even though the ODST troopers started the whole thing and John had only responded to their aggression). Ever since then, the [=ODSTs=] haven't seen the Spartans as anything more than "freaks", "cyborgs" and as "non-humans", due to the Spartans' special powers and superiority over the "normal" human beings. It ain't getting better considering the Spartans seems to have more respect from the other marines than them, even if the Spartans are actually a part of the navy. The Spartans themselves, however, [[UnknownRival don't really care about the rivalry at all]]. They just want to get the job done.
** Funnily enough, with the creation of the SPARTAN-IV Program, many [=ODSTs=] have gone on to become Spartans themselves.

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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'':
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The [[SuperSoldier SPARTANS-IIs]] Spartan-IIs]] and the [[BadassNormal ODSTs]] in ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''.ODSTs]]. Before the Spartans came into the picture, the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers were the elites of the United Nations Space Command Defence Forces, so when the Spartans took over as the elite, the [=ODSTs=] weren't happy about it. What was more insulting to them was that, when John-117 killed two ODST troopers in a gym in his earlier ages, he wasn't punished for it (even though the ODST troopers started the whole thing and John had only responded to their aggression). Ever since then, the [=ODSTs=] haven't seen the Spartans as anything more than "freaks", "cyborgs" and as "non-humans", due to the Spartans' special powers and superiority over the "normal" human beings. It ain't getting better considering the Spartans seems to have more respect from the other marines than them, even if the Spartans are actually a part of the navy. The Spartans themselves, however, [[UnknownRival don't really care about the rivalry at all]]. They just want to get the job done. \n** Funnily enough, with the creation of the SPARTAN-IV Program, many [=ODSTs=] have gone on to become Spartans themselves.



** ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' alludes to a slight rivalry between the SPARTAN-[=IIs=] and SPARTAN-[=IIIs=].

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** ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' alludes to a slight rivalry between the SPARTAN-[=IIs=] Spartan-[=IIs=] and SPARTAN-[=IIIs=].Spartan-[=IIIs=]. For the most part though, they see each other as fellow Spartans.
5th Aug '16 12:56:52 AM PaulA
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* Steven Brust's ''[[Literature/{{Dragaera}} The Phoenix Guards]]'' has rival groups of imperial guards as part of its pastiche of ''The Three Musketeers''.

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* Steven Brust's ''[[Literature/{{Dragaera}} The Phoenix Guards]]'' ''Literature/ThePhoenixGuards'' has rival groups of imperial guards as part of its pastiche of ''The Three Musketeers''.
30th Jul '16 10:01:18 AM Mr_Spoon
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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] and have traditionally been allied with the Crown. Currently they are ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital - [[TheCoup during the king's "illness"]]. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown Prince who hold residence in the prinipility of Burthope where they are defending Asgarnia against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.

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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] Saradomin]], the god of order, and have traditionally been allied with the Crown. Currently they are ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital - [[TheCoup during the king's "illness"]]. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown Prince who hold residence in the prinipility of Burthope where they are defending Asgarnia against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.
30th Jul '16 10:00:11 AM Mr_Spoon
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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] and have traditionally been allied with the Crown. Currently they are ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital - [[TheCoup during the king's "illness"]. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown Prince who hold residence in the prinipility of Burthope where they are defending Asgarnia against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.

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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] and have traditionally been allied with the Crown. Currently they are ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital - [[TheCoup during the king's "illness"]."illness"]]. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown Prince who hold residence in the prinipility of Burthope where they are defending Asgarnia against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.
30th Jul '16 9:59:37 AM Mr_Spoon
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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] that has traditionally served the needs of Asgarnia and are currently ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown that has been pushed away from Falador to prinipility of Burthope where they are fighting against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.

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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] that has and have traditionally served been allied with the needs of Asgarnia and Crown. Currently they are currently ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital. capital - [[TheCoup during the king's "illness"]. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown that has been pushed away from Falador to Prince who hold residence in the prinipility of Burthope where they are fighting defending Asgarnia against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.
30th Jul '16 9:53:47 AM Mr_Spoon
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* This shows up a in Donald Hamilton's ''Matt Helm'' series. ''The Intriguers'' involves an actual shooting war between two different agencies. There is also rivalry between Helm's fictional unnamed agency and the CIA.

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* This shows up a in Donald in Hamilton's ''Matt Helm'' series. ''The Intriguers'' involves an actual shooting war between two different agencies. There is also rivalry between Helm's fictional unnamed agency and the CIA.


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** It should be noted that their "rivalry" is just a push away from civil war. The White Knights are a religious order in service of god of order [[LightIsNotGood Saradomin]] that has traditionally served the needs of Asgarnia and are currently ruling over Falador - the kingdom's capital. On the other hand the Imperial Guard is a secular army loyal to the Crown that has been pushed away from Falador to prinipility of Burthope where they are fighting against invading trolls while White Knights are waiting for any excuse to take over.
28th Jul '16 8:17:09 PM Kadorhal
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** Briefly alluded to in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', where the Marine Corps are conducting their own Metal Gear project independently, but about halfway through Snake notices an Army version of the Cypher UAV investigating the tanker. Commandant Dolph's speech in the holds likewise mentions heavy Navy opposition to Metal Gear RAY, both because it's in direct opposition to their Arsenal Gear project, and that the strategic importance of aircraft carriers would likely be reduced by a weapon with RAY's capabilities.

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** Briefly alluded to in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', where the Marine Corps are conducting their own Metal Gear project independently, but about halfway through Snake notices an Army version of the Cypher UAV investigating the tanker. Commandant Dolph's speech in the holds likewise mentions heavy Navy opposition to Metal Gear RAY, both because it's in direct opposition to their Arsenal Gear project, project [[spoiler:which by the time of the Plant chapter leads them to hijack the RAY project and repurpose it as a defensive force ''for'' Arsenal Gear]], and that the strategic importance of aircraft carriers would likely be reduced by a weapon with RAY's capabilities.



* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', while it seemed as if the divisions were pretty spiffy with each other in the original game, ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' showed that [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Shinra]] corps seemed to be in a constant state of war. The mook Midgar security soldiers didnít like the more attention hogging [=SOLDIERs=], the mooks ignore Turk instructions in lieu of getting more rewards for themselves, the [=SOLDIERs=] treating the smaller foot soldiers as nothing better than CannonFodder... the dynamics of which contributed highly to [[spoiler:Zackís death in the end, as the soldiers rushed forth to execute Zack before the Turks arrived at the scene]].

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* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', while it seemed as if the divisions were pretty spiffy with each other in the original game, ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' showed that [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Shinra]] corps seemed to be in a constant state of war. The mook Midgar security soldiers didnít like the more attention hogging [=SOLDIERs=], the mooks ignore Turk instructions in lieu of getting more rewards for themselves, the [=SOLDIERs=] treating treat the smaller foot soldiers as nothing better than CannonFodder... the dynamics of which contributed highly to [[spoiler:Zackís [[spoiler:Zack's death in the end, as the soldiers rushed forth to execute Zack before the Turks arrived at the scene]].



* This is quite common in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic''. Especially in the [[TheEmpire Sith Empire]]. It's even encouraged among the Sith Order. It's quite common for a Sith Apprentice would kill their Master [[KlingonPromotion and gain their titles.]]

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* This is quite common in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic''. Especially in the [[TheEmpire Sith Empire]]. It's even encouraged among the Sith Order. It's quite common for a Sith Apprentice would to kill their Master [[KlingonPromotion and gain their titles.]]



* Jägerkin in ''WebComic/GirlGenius'', as a part of being "perfect soldiers", get it straight -- they [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20031024 deem themselves better]] than anyone else and are eager to remind of this, but, being "perfect soldiers", they also know to belt up [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040503 when a real action is in sight]].

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* Jägerkin in ''WebComic/GirlGenius'', as a part of being "perfect soldiers", get it straight -- they [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20031024 deem themselves better]] than anyone else and are eager to remind of this, but, being "perfect soldiers", they also know to belt up [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040503 when a real action is in sight]].
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