History Main / InterServiceRivalry

24th Jan '17 12:36:37 AM aurora369
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* Taken UpToEleven by the [[TsaristRussia Tsars]]: they had competing ''civilian bureaucracies'', named Interior and Finance. There was no real division of purpose between the two. Noble families would pick a side and serve as bureaucrats for a particular ministry for generations.\\\

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* Taken UpToEleven by the [[TsaristRussia Tsars]]: they had competing ''civilian bureaucracies'', named Interior and Finance. There was no real division of purpose between "Interior" in Russia is the two.traditional name for the police ministry (it persists to this day), and what the Finance does is obvious. Noble families would pick a side and serve as bureaucrats for a particular ministry for generations.\\\
22nd Jan '17 2:04:31 PM shawn_allen
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** ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''
*** Averted. In "Tomorrow is Yesterday," when USAF Cpt. Christopher is accidentally transported onto the Enterprise, he asks CAPT Kirk if the Navy ran the ship. Kirk mentions they are a "combined service." (In the original series, they were more analogous to the Coast Guard.)
3rd Jan '17 8:33:52 AM LondonKdS
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Cases of Interservice Rivalry can cause JurisdictionFriction and DividedWeFall. Compare RightHandVersusLeftHand. There is also TruthInTelevision to this.

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Cases of Interservice Rivalry can cause JurisdictionFriction and DividedWeFall. Compare RightHandVersusLeftHand. See also CIAEvilFBIGood, in cases where direct conflict between the two is depicted. There is also TruthInTelevision to this.
30th Dec '16 5:08:16 PM Ramidel
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* In large companies, conflict between the Engineering and Marketing departments is a common enough phenomenon that there have been studies dedicated to figuring out what's going on and how to keep the departments from sabotaging each other. The problem is that the two departments see the process from completely different ends; engineers ask "what can we build?" while marketers ask "what can we sell to the customers?" Accordingly, it's not uncommon for each department to try to meddle with the other, usually to the detriment of the company. (You don't want engineering decisions driven by marketers who have no idea how the product will actually be built or work, but by the same token, you don't want your marketers forced to sell a technically-brilliant product that no one wants.)
26th Dec '16 12:26:29 AM Agent_B
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** NYPD vs NYFD.

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** NYPD vs NYFD.FDNY.
1st Dec '16 8:55:54 AM SSJMagus
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*** The Air Force is often called the Chair Force, since any fighting you do while sitting down doesn't count unless you're in a tank or other land vehicle, apparently. And also because a relatively larger portion of the Air Force is dedicated to logistics rather than directly fighting, though this is quite applicable to the Navy as well. It's also teased that the Air Force is for wussies as they have less strict fitness requirements and a perception that Air Force bases are more luxurious than their Army counterparts; many USAF Personnel point out that while this may sometimes be true, it just means that Air Force enlistees are simply ''smarter'' for choosing this route anyway. Also note that the "Chairforce" nickname has been used within the Air Force itself... to refer to pilots of [=UAVs=].

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*** The Air Force is often called the Chair Force, since any fighting you do while sitting down doesn't count unless you're in a tank or other land vehicle, apparently. And also because a relatively larger portion of the Air Force is dedicated to logistics rather than directly fighting, though this is quite applicable to the Navy as well. It's also teased that the Air Force is for wussies as they have less strict fitness requirements and a perception that Air Force bases are more luxurious than their Army counterparts; many USAF Personnel point out that while this may sometimes be true, it just means that Air Force enlistees are simply ''smarter'' for choosing this route anyway. Also note that the "Chairforce" nickname has been used within the Air Force itself... to refer to pilots of [=UAVs=].[=UAVs=] (since they fight from an office chair without ever coming within a thousand miles of the enemy, spurring a rivalry with the pilots of manned fighters who sometimes resent UAV pilots even being ''called'' "p).



* During the run-up to UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the intense rivalry between the [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun Japanese army and navy]] was only made worse by the fact that both forces were heavily involved in politics, to the point that the main political factions in the Japanese government weren't political parties at all, but "Army" and "Navy". Before the war, it wasn't uncommon for army and navy officers to assassinate each other. Once the war got underway, both services established dedicated amphibious warfare branches, the army had their own fleet of light carriers to support army aircraft, and prioritization of steel and development money for navy ships and planes meant that the army's tanks were under-armored and completely outnumbered and outgunned by the Allies.

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* During the run-up to UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the intense rivalry between the [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun Japanese army and navy]] was only made worse by the fact that both forces were heavily involved in politics, to the point that the main political factions in the Japanese government weren't political parties at all, but "Army" and "Navy". Before the war, it wasn't uncommon for army and navy officers to assassinate each other. Once the war got underway, both services established dedicated amphibious warfare branches, branches (the army fielding its own troop ships and landing craft, and the navy organizing its own infantry units), the army had their own fleet of light carriers to support army aircraft, and prioritization of steel and development money for navy ships and planes meant that the army's tanks were under-armored and completely outnumbered and outgunned by the Allies.Allies. The army on the other hand had complete control over infantry weapon production, so the navy (intent on maintaining those infantry divisions of its own) imported rifles from Germany and Italy as well as helping themselves (without permission) to weapons the army had captured in China.
7th Nov '16 1:44:04 PM TheWanderer
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** According to many nurses, most doctors are over educated, overpaid, elitist egomaniacs who often lack any kind of common sense or interpersonal skills, whose first priority is feeding their own superiority complex, and often getting in the way of nurses trying to take care of patients.

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** According to many nurses, most doctors are over educated, overpaid, elitist egomaniacs who often lack any kind of common sense or interpersonal skills, who don't appreciate the hard and dirty work nurses do, whose first priority is feeding their own superiority complex, and often getting get in the way of nurses trying to take care of patients.



** Technicians of all stripes (whether we're talking about radiologic techs who take x-rays and other images, phlebotomists who draw blood and prepare other specimens like urine and stool for testing, or laboratory techs who test those samples to see what is causing a patient's symptoms) will complain about both doctors and nurses and how they either screw up trying to do functions a technician should be doing, (for example, ask any phlebotomist about the lack of skill doctors and nurses have in drawing blood and you are guaranteed to get all kinds of horror stories about the needless pain and suffering caused by doctors and nurses who never mastered the art of handling needles and drawing blood) or otherwise make a technician's job harder. Techs will often further brag that doctors and nurses know nothing without the tests that the techs run and the information it provides them. Needless to say, those doctors and nurses take a very dim of this attitude.
** Support staff of all kinds, (receptionists, coders, billing specialists, etc.) get blamed for all kinds of screw ups from all of the above groups, and dish out plenty of acidic comments about them as well, with the main one being that every doctor, nurse, and tech falls into being a KnowNothingKnowItAll.
** One of the few things that all of them will ever agree on is that the various corporations running health care and the high ranking people like hospital board members, or people with fancy titles like Chief of Medicine are {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s who make the job harder and get in the way of proper treatment due to greed and being what the military would call a [[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=REMF REMF]], or Rear Echelon Mother F*cker.

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** Technicians of all stripes (whether we're talking about radiologic techs who take x-rays and other images, phlebotomists who draw blood and prepare other specimens like urine and stool for testing, or laboratory techs who test those samples to see what is causing a patient's symptoms) will complain about both doctors and nurses and how they either screw up trying to do functions a technician should be doing, (for example, ask any phlebotomist about the lack of skill doctors and nurses have in drawing blood and you are guaranteed to get all kinds of horror stories about the needless pain and suffering caused by doctors and nurses who never mastered the art of handling needles and drawing blood) or otherwise make a technician's job harder. Techs will often further brag that doctors and nurses know nothing without the tests that the techs run and the information it provides them. Needless to say, those doctors and nurses take a very ''very'' dim of this attitude.
*** Just to add onto the above three categories, there are additional divisions based on field and specialties of particular healthcare workers.
** Support staff of all kinds, (receptionists, coders, billing specialists, etc.) get blamed for all kinds of screw ups from all of the above groups, and dish out plenty of acidic comments about them as well, with the main one being that every doctor, nurse, and tech falls often fall into being a KnowNothingKnowItAll.
** One of the few things that all of them will ever agree on is that the various corporations running health care and the high ranking people like hospital board members, or people with fancy titles like Chief of Medicine are {{Obstructive Bureaucrat}}s who make the job harder and get in the way of proper treatment due to greed and being what the military would call a [[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=REMF REMF]], or [[ArmchairMilitary Rear Echelon Mother F*cker.F*cker]].
4th Nov '16 12:34:25 PM ChronoLegion
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* In the ''[[Literature/{{Worldwar}} Colonization]]'' trilogy, Secretary General Vyacheslav Molotov does this deliberately to keep either Lavrentiy Beria's [[UsefulNotes/MoscowCentre NKVD]] or Georgy Zhukov's GRU from becoming powerful enough to overthrow him, knowing the other agency would support Molotov. [[spoiler:Beria tries anyway, kidnapping Molotov and hiding him away in an NKVD prison. Fortunately for Molotov, Zhukov figures out where he is and brings the Red Army to liberate the Secretary General, with Beria ending up killed during the firefight. After this, the NKVD is disbanded, the remaining loyal elements integrated into GRU. However, this leaves Molotov effectively at the mercy of Zhukov, who, while having no political ambitions himself, isn't above using the military to ''push'' Molotov towards a certain decision]].
30th Oct '16 7:08:00 PM Divra
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* Several stories in Creator/GeorgeMacDonaldFraser's ''Literature/McAuslan'' series focus on the cordial hatred between individual British regiments. "Friendly" exercises and war-games degenerate into pitched battles.
** Also extends to real inter-service rivalry. When the battalion's football team goes on a Mediterranean tour in a Royal Navy ship, Lieutenant [=MacNeill=] has to break up a few fights between [=McAuslan=] and the sailors. He says, "be friendly. Fraternise with them. They were on our side in the war, you know."

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* Several stories in Creator/GeorgeMacDonaldFraser's ''Literature/McAuslan'' series focus on the cordial hatred between individual various branches of the British regiments. "Friendly" exercises Armed Forces. Between Army and war-games degenerate into pitched battles.
** Also extends to real inter-service rivalry. When the battalion's football team goes on a Mediterranean tour in a Royal Navy ship,
Navy, between English and Scots regiments, between Highland and Lowland regiments, between Guards regiments and everyone else and between Highland regiments with different clan affiliations. Lieutenant [=MacNeill=] has to break up a few fights between [=McAuslan=] and a group of sailors, and recommends the sailors. He says, "be following:
--> "Be
friendly. Fraternise with them. They were on our side in the war, you know."
30th Oct '16 7:00:39 PM Divra
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