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22nd Jul '17 8:37:06 PM TheWanderer
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* US Army Staff Sergeant and comedian Yusha Thomas does short, humorous videos about life in the military. Being an Army sergeant, naturally when the other branches of the military get brought up, they get subjected to many jokes, stereotypes, and {{Take That}}s. For example, in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqxrJHkzS0I this video]] where an applicant meets with recruiters from various branches of the military, the Marines are depicted as dimwitted brutes with TestosteronePoisoning who eat crayons and have no benefits to joining aside from cool uniforms and getting a macho reputation, the Air Force recruiter is a [[TheProudElite ridiculously elitist snob]] who practically chases the applicant out of the room, and the Navy gets the usual [[HelloSailor gay sailor]] jokes.

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* US Army Staff Sergeant and comedian Yusha Thomas does short, humorous videos about life in the military. Being an Army sergeant, naturally when the other branches of the military get brought up, they get subjected to many jokes, stereotypes, and {{Take That}}s. For example, in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqxrJHkzS0I this video]] where an applicant meets with recruiters from various branches of the military, the Marines are depicted as [[DumbMuscle dimwitted brutes brutes]] with TestosteronePoisoning who eat crayons crayons, and have no benefits to joining aside from cool uniforms and getting a macho reputation, the Air Force recruiter is a {{Jerkass}} and [[TheProudElite ridiculously an elitist snob]] who practically chases the applicant out of the room, and the Navy gets the usual [[HelloSailor gay sailor]] jokes.
18th Jul '17 6:23:49 PM StarSword
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* ''Literature/KrisLongknife'':
** Played for laughs in ''Audacious''. Kris goes on PT with the Marine guards at the Wardhaven Embassy on New Eden and is handed a sweatshirt in Navy blue and gold... with a bulls-eye on the back.
** In ''Bold'' the United Society Navy's Battle Force (battleships) and scout force (cruisers and destroyers) are arguing over who has authority over the battlecruisers built for the war against the HordeOfAlienLocusts, which Kris commanded in action in the two preceding books. She takes a third option at the end of the book and becomes head of Battlecruiser Force. In the short story "Kris Longknife's Bad Day", it's five years later and she's still fighting for her battlecruisers: she believes, not without reason, that they obsolete the other classes,[[note]]They outgun cruisers and destroyers and are fast enough to take over their duties. They also have comparable firepower and are cheaper to build and crew than battleships, and unlike battleships can maneuver fast enough to evade alien BeamSpam.[[/note]] but she faces considerable resistance from the old line and various entrenched interests (including her own grandfather's corporation, which has an exclusive contract to build battleships for Wardhaven).
16th Jul '17 11:59:54 AM Divra
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* ''Film/TheBoondockSaints'': Averted. The first scene shows the Boston police have a double homicide taken away by FBI agent Paul Smecker. The police officers look like they are about to rebel, until DaChief tells them in no uncertain terms that Smecker is to have full cooperation. Smecker proves to be an InsufferableGenius, and while he gets on their nerves, the fact that he is as good as he thinks he is leads to the police grudgingly coming to respect him.
16th Jul '17 11:58:38 AM Divra
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* ''Film/BoondockSaints'': Averted. The first scene shows the Boston police have a double homicide taken away by FBI agent Paul Smecker. The police officers look like they are about to rebel, until DaChief tells them in no uncertain terms that Smecker is to have full cooperation. Smecker proves to be an InsufferableGenius, and while he gets on their nerves, the fact that he is as good as he thinks leads to the police grudgingly coming to respect him.

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* ''Film/BoondockSaints'': ''Film/TheBoondockSaints'': Averted. The first scene shows the Boston police have a double homicide taken away by FBI agent Paul Smecker. The police officers look like they are about to rebel, until DaChief tells them in no uncertain terms that Smecker is to have full cooperation. Smecker proves to be an InsufferableGenius, and while he gets on their nerves, the fact that he is as good as he thinks he is leads to the police grudgingly coming to respect him.
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* ''Film/BoondockSaints'': Averted. The first scene shows the Boston police have a double homicide taken away by FBI agent Paul Smecker. The police officers look like they are about to rebel, until DaChief tells them in no uncertain terms that Smecker is to have full cooperation. Smecker proves to be an InsufferableGenius, and while he gets on their nerves, the fact that he is as good as he thinks leads to the police grudgingly coming to respect him.
16th Jul '17 11:49:19 AM Divra
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* ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'': This is perhaps the best way to describe the relations between the cults of Sigmar and Ulric. The cult of Ulric considers itself to be the "senior service", loves to point out that during his life as a human Sigmar was an Ulric-worshipper, and resents that Sigmar has supplanted Ulric as the god of choice in large swathes of the Empire. Sigmarites, on the other hand, see it as only proper that the Empire's founder is venerated above other gods by the citizens of the Empire, consider the level of devotion required by Ulric's worshippers to be disproportionate to the gifts Ulric gives (they may have a point) and considers the cult of Ulric to be sore losers. The rivalry is compounded by the fact that the Ar-Ulric resents the fact that he only has one vote in the Imperial elections and the Grand Theogonist of Sigmar has three (technically the Grand Theogonist and the two Arch-Lectors have one each, but no Arch-Lector is willing to disobey an order from the Grand Theogonist, so in practice the Grand Theogonist casts all of the votes). Both cults are dedicated to serving the Empire and its people, but if they get the chance get one over on the other in the process, they will take it.

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* ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'': This is perhaps the best way to describe the relations between the cults of Sigmar and Ulric. The cult of Ulric considers itself to be the "senior service", loves to point out that during his life as a human Sigmar was an Ulric-worshipper, and resents that Sigmar has supplanted Ulric as the god of choice in large swathes of the Empire. Sigmarites, on the other hand, see it as only proper that the Empire's founder is venerated above other gods by the citizens of the Empire, consider the level of devotion required by Ulric's worshippers to be disproportionate to the gifts Ulric gives (they may have a point) and considers the cult of Ulric to be sore losers. The rivalry is compounded by the fact that the Ar-Ulric resents the fact that he only has one vote in the Imperial elections and the Grand Theogonist of Sigmar has three (technically the Grand Theogonist and the two Arch-Lectors have one each, but no Arch-Lector is willing to disobey an order from the Arch-Lectors always vote the way the Grand Theogonist, so in practice the Grand Theogonist casts all of the votes).their superior, tells them to). Both cults are dedicated to serving the Empire and its people, but if they get the chance get one over on the other in the process, they will take it.
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* ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'': This is perhaps the best way to describe the relations between the cults of Sigmar and Ulric. The cult of Ulric considers itself to be the "senior service", loves to point out that during his life as a human Sigmar was an Ulric-worshipper, and resents that Sigmar has supplanted Ulric as the god of choice in large swathes of the Empire. Sigmarites, on the other hand, see it as only proper that the Empire's founder is venerated above other gods by the citizens of the Empire, consider the level of devotion required by Ulric's worshippers to be disproportionate to the gifts Ulric gives (they may have a point) and considers the cult of Ulric to be sore losers. The rivalry is compounded by the fact that the Ar-Ulric resents the fact that he only has one vote in the Imperial elections and the Grand Theogonist of Sigmar has three (technically the Grand Theogonist and the two Arch-Lectors have one each, but no Arch-Lector is willing to disobey an order from the Grand Theogonist, so in practice the Grand Theogonist casts all of the votes). Both cults are dedicated to serving the Empire and its people, but if they get the chance get one over on the other in the process, they will take it.
12th Jul '17 7:19:07 PM StarSword
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When it does not, one of the reasons usually is Interservice Rivalry, where at least two branches of the government don't work well together, sometimes openly opposing and working against each other. Usually if the leaders of said branches know each other, they can't let go of their past feelings and it intensifies the rivalry. Often in military fiction (and in real life as well), some amount of Interservice Rivalry will be encouraged by the higher-ups, to promote a competitive spirit but sometimes it can get out of hand.

Sometimes it is used by a dark {{Chessmaster}} leader to maintain control. That way if the army ever rebels against him, he can always call in the navy to fight for him.

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When it does not, one of the reasons usually is Interservice Rivalry, where at least two branches of the government don't work well together, sometimes openly opposing and working against each other. Usually if the leaders of said branches know each other, they can't let go of their past feelings and it intensifies the rivalry. Often in military fiction (and in real life as well), some amount of Interservice Rivalry will be encouraged by the higher-ups, to promote a competitive spirit but sometimes it can get out of hand.

hand. Sometimes it is even used by a dark {{Chessmaster}} leader to maintain control. That way if the army ever rebels against him, he can always call in the navy to fight for him.
him.

On the other hand, particularly in military-centric works where both services in question are meant to be sympathetic, it's used as a source of humor in the form of personnel of either service making fun of each other, good-naturedly or not.



* {{Implied}} in ''Fanfic/FromBajorToTheBlack''. Ensign Tesjha Phohl tells Lieutenant Kanril Eleya that she joined Starfleet "to piss off my ''thavan''"[[labelnote:*]]her ''[[BizarreAlienSexes thaan]]'' parent[[/labelnote]]. Apparently that part of her family has been in the Andorian Imperial Guard for centuries.
* {{Discussed}} in ''Fanfic/PeaceForgedInFire'' when the cast hear a report that there's been a skirmish between [[StateSec Tal'Shiar]] ships and the regular Romulan Imperial Fleet.
-->'''Morgaiah t'Thavrau:''' Honestly I’m more surprised it took ''this'' long. When I was in the ''Galae'' they were the enemy almost as much as the ''Khe’lloann’mnhehorael''[[labelnote:trans.]]Klingon Empire[[/labelnote]] or the ''Lloannen’galae''.[[labelnote:trans.]]Federation Starfleet[[/labelnote]]\\
--> '''D'Trel t'Rihannsu:''' We had a commissar with them on the ''Ravon'' once. The ''Riov'' [[ThrownOutTheAirlock airlocked]] [[UnfriendlyFire him]] and took his gear, sent fake reports. It must’ve fooled someone, and I don’t think we were seen as important enough to target.

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* ''Fanfic/BaitAndSwitchSTO'':
** Primary author StarSword-C frequently makes allusions to a rivalry within the increasingly militarized 25th century Starfleet between science-centered specialties and combat personnel (with the beleaguered goldshirts in Operations and Engineering stuck in the middle). This often plays out in the form of arguments over tactics between USS ''Bajor'' Captain Kanril Eleya, a PriorEnlisted ActionGirl specializing in starship weapons and general asskicking who typically takes a very direct approach to problem solving, and her chief science officer Commander Birail Riyannis, an OmnidisciplinaryScientist more inclined to further investigate unusual phenomena.
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{{Implied}} in ''Fanfic/FromBajorToTheBlack''. Ensign Tesjha Phohl tells Lieutenant Kanril Eleya that she joined Starfleet "to piss off my ''thavan''"[[labelnote:*]]her ''[[BizarreAlienSexes thaan]]'' parent[[/labelnote]]. Apparently that part of her family has been in the Andorian Imperial Guard for centuries.
* ** {{Discussed}} in ''Fanfic/PeaceForgedInFire'' when the cast hear a report that there's been a skirmish between [[StateSec Tal'Shiar]] ships and the regular Romulan Imperial Fleet.
-->'''Morgaiah --->'''Morgaiah t'Thavrau:''' Honestly I’m more surprised it took ''this'' long. When I was in the ''Galae'' they were the enemy almost as much as the ''Khe’lloann’mnhehorael''[[labelnote:trans.]]Klingon Empire[[/labelnote]] or the ''Lloannen’galae''.[[labelnote:trans.]]Federation Starfleet[[/labelnote]]\\
--> '''D'Trel t'Rihannsu:''' We had a commissar with them on the ''Ravon'' once. The ''Riov'' [[ThrownOutTheAirlock airlocked]] [[UnfriendlyFire him]] and took his gear, sent fake reports. It must’ve fooled someone, and I don’t think we were seen as important enough to target.



** ''[[Literature/JackRyan The Cardinal of the Kremlin]]'': Ryan uses the Red October defection to force the KGB chairman to defect. If he does not then the defection will be made public, along with the arrest of one of his best agents, and the fact that he gave the Soviet Politburo false information that resulted in the American diplomats gaining an advantage in the arms control talks. The chairman knows that if he does not defect then his enemies in the navy and GRU will use the information to destroy his career and humiliate him.

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** ''[[Literature/JackRyan The Cardinal of the Kremlin]]'': Ryan uses the Red October ''Red October'' defection to force the KGB chairman to defect. If he does not then the defection will be made public, along with the arrest of one of his best agents, and the fact that he gave the Soviet Politburo false information that resulted in the American diplomats gaining an advantage in the arms control talks. The chairman knows that if he does not defect then his enemies in the navy and GRU will use the information to destroy his career and humiliate him.



** The reason why Petty Officer Harkness has been passed over for Chief Petty Officer '''TWENTY''' times. While he is one of the RMN's best missile techs, he feels bound to point out how wrong it is to join the Marines to any Marine he meets when on liberty. With his fists. [[spoiler: After he marries Sergeant Major Iris Babcock, RMMC, He gets better, if for no other reason than that she kicks his ass when he tries.]] It's revealed in a later book that the majority of the Marines regarded the fact that Harkness choose to fight them as a compliment.
*** In the book that reveals this, when Harkness unofficially becomes the mentor of a green crewman who is being bullied, he takes the young man to the people he regards as the toughest, meanest, most capable people on the ship to learn how to defend himself...[[VitriolicBestBuds the onboard Marine contingent]].

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** The reason why Petty Officer Harkness has been passed over for Chief Petty Officer '''TWENTY''' times. While he is one of the RMN's best missile techs, he feels bound to point out how wrong it is to join the Marines to any Marine he meets when on liberty. With his fists. [[spoiler: After he marries Sergeant Major Iris Babcock, RMMC, He gets better, if for no other reason than that she kicks his ass when he tries.]] It's revealed in a later book that the majority of the Marines regarded the fact that Harkness choose to fight them as a compliment.
*** In the book that reveals this,
compliment, and when Harkness unofficially becomes the mentor of a green crewman who is being bullied, he takes the young man to the people he regards as the toughest, meanest, most capable people on the ship to learn how to defend himself...[[VitriolicBestBuds the onboard Marine contingent]].



* Endemic in ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'' by Creator/CharlesStross. Many members of an above-top-secret agency that combats {{EldritchAbomination}}s consider its archenemy to be ... Human Resources. Political maneuvering among various managers -- and the protagonist always has two -- feeds the conflict as much or more than brain-eating horrors from other universes.

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* Endemic in ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'' by Creator/CharlesStross. Many members of an above-top-secret agency that combats {{EldritchAbomination}}s {{Eldritch Abomination}}s consider its archenemy to be ... Human Resources. Political maneuvering among various managers -- and the protagonist always has two -- feeds the conflict as much or more than brain-eating horrors from other universes.



* Common in the Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse. In the Klingon Empire, the Klingon Defense Force and Imperial Intelligence hold each other in considerable distaste. In particular, there's a subplot in ''Literature/StarTrekKlingonEmpire'' involving I.I's displeasure with Captain Klag, and his HonorBeforeReason tactics. Also, in the Literature/StarTrekTheLostEra novel ''The Art of the Impossible'', Captain Qaolin of the Defence Force and his Imperial Intelligence liasion ''really'' don't like each other - again, because the berserker battle-hungry tendencies of the warriors clash with I.I's "dishonourable" sneakiness and caution. The Klingons aren't the only ones; the Romulan military takes its codes of honour, and the passionate brotherhood between warriors, very seriously. The cool, passionless underhanded tactics of the Tal Shiar intelligence agency therefore offend them, as does their tendency to question a warrior's loyalty. The Tal Shiar, for their part, view the military leadership as inbred, unimaginative fools. Then there's Cardassia, where Interservice Rivalry is endemic, particularly between the Central Command and the Obsidian Order. In the first Literature/TerokNor novel, Skrain Dukat sums up Central Command's angle on the Order:

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* Common in the Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse. In the Klingon Empire, the Klingon Defense Force and Imperial Intelligence hold each other in considerable distaste. In particular, there's a subplot in ''Literature/StarTrekKlingonEmpire'' involving I.I's displeasure with Captain Klag, and his HonorBeforeReason tactics. Also, in the Literature/StarTrekTheLostEra novel ''The Art of the Impossible'', Captain Qaolin of the Defence Force and his Imperial Intelligence liasion ''really'' don't like each other - again, because the berserker battle-hungry tendencies of the warriors clash with I.I's "dishonourable" sneakiness and caution. The Klingons aren't the only ones; ones: the Romulan military takes its codes of honour, and the passionate brotherhood between warriors, very seriously. The cool, passionless underhanded tactics of the Tal Shiar intelligence agency therefore offend them, as does their tendency to question a warrior's loyalty. The Tal Shiar, for their part, view the military leadership as inbred, unimaginative fools. Then there's Cardassia, where Interservice Rivalry is endemic, particularly between the Central Command and the Obsidian Order. In the first Literature/TerokNor novel, Skrain Dukat sums up Central Command's angle on the Order:



** Hinted at between various branches of the New Republic military in one book of the ComicBook/XWingSeries. There's also a fair amount of jockeying between X-Wing pilots and A-wing pilots. A-wings are very pleased with the speed of their crafts, and bring it up every chance they get. The accepted response is to ask "What killed the Death Stars, again?" The rivalry between a by-the-book bomber wing and the MildlyMilitary bunch of [[AcePilot piloting savants]] that is Rogue Squadron is a secondary plot thread in the first book.
*** Also, between X-Wing pilots and Y-wing ones. Y-wings were by then outdated and rough edged, and the pilots less expertly trained, but made up a good portion of the Republic fighter force. Probably didn't help that Horton Salm the local Y-Wing commander was a strict, mostly by-the-book officer, as compared to Wedge Antilles who took a more laid-back approach to leadership.

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** Hinted at between various branches of the New Republic military in one book of the ComicBook/XWingSeries. There's also a fair amount of jockeying between X-Wing pilots and A-wing pilots. A-wings are very pleased with the speed of their crafts, and bring it up every chance they get. The accepted response is to ask "What killed the Death Stars, again?" The rivalry between a by-the-book bomber wing and the MildlyMilitary bunch of [[AcePilot piloting savants]] that is Rogue Squadron is a secondary plot thread in the first book.
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Also, between X-Wing pilots and Y-wing ones. Y-wings were by then outdated and rough edged, and the pilots less expertly trained, but made up a good portion of the Republic fighter force. Probably didn't help that Horton Salm Salm, the local Y-Wing commander was a strict, mostly by-the-book officer, as compared to Wedge Antilles who took a more laid-back approach to leadership.



* ''Literature/TermsOfEnlistment'' by Marko Kloos has one between the Marines and the Territorial Army (the one fights wars on other planets, the other handles North America). There's a scene where some Marines visiting Andrew Grayson's base and get into a BarBrawl with the TA grunts in the mess hall. Afterwards the base CO reams them out [[CrowningMomentOfFunny because they should've been able to take that many Marines]].

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* ''Literature/TermsOfEnlistment'' by Marko Kloos has one between the North American Marines and the Territorial Army (the one fights wars on other planets, the other handles North America).wars on Earth). There's a scene where some Marines visiting Andrew Grayson's base and get into a BarBrawl with the TA grunts in the mess hall. Afterwards the base CO reams them out and assigns additional PT [[CrowningMomentOfFunny because they should've been able to take that many Marines]].



*** Odo, also an officer of the Militia (based on his uniform if nothing else), has his own way of doing things and very much dislikes it when Starfleet tries to insert itself in his work, whether by actively interfering or forcing him to work according to their legal code. He even tries to resign at the beginning of season three when a lieutenant commander from Starfleet Security is assigned to the station, and humiliates Worf for wrecking an attempted undercover operation after the latter was repeatedly told to leave it alone.

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*** Odo, also an officer of the Militia (based on his uniform if nothing else), has his own way of doing things and very much dislikes it when Starfleet tries to insert itself in his work, whether by actively interfering or forcing him to work according to their legal code. He even tries to resign at the beginning of season three when a lieutenant commander from Starfleet Security is assigned to the station, and humiliates Worf for wrecking an attempted undercover operation after the latter was repeatedly told to leave it alone.



** The [[SuperSoldier Spartan-IIs]] and the [[BadassNormal ODSTs]]. Before the Spartans came into the picture, the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers were the elites of the United Nations Space Command Defence Forces, so when the Spartans took over as the elite, the [=ODSTs=] weren't happy about it. What was more insulting to them was that, when John-117 killed two ODST troopers in a gym in his earlier ages, he wasn't punished for it (even though the ODST troopers started the whole thing and John had only responded to their aggression). Ever since then, the [=ODSTs=] haven't seen the Spartans as anything more than "freaks", "cyborgs" and as "non-humans", due to the Spartans' special powers and superiority over the "normal" human beings. It ain't getting better considering the Spartans seems to have more respect from the other marines than them, even if the Spartans are actually a part of the navy. The Spartans themselves, however, [[UnknownRival don't really care about the rivalry at all]]. They just want to get the job done. Funnily enough, with the creation of the SPARTAN-IV Program, many [=ODSTs=] have gone on to become Spartans themselves.

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** The [[SuperSoldier Spartan-IIs]] and the [[BadassNormal ODSTs]]. Before the Spartans came into the picture, the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers were the elites of the United Nations Space Command Defence Forces, so when the Spartans took over as the elite, the [=ODSTs=] weren't happy about it. What was more insulting to them was that, when John-117 killed two ODST troopers in a gym in his earlier ages, he wasn't punished for it (even though the ODST troopers started the whole thing and John had only responded to their aggression).defended himself). Ever since then, the [=ODSTs=] haven't seen the Spartans as anything more than "freaks", "cyborgs" and as "non-humans", due to the Spartans' special powers and superiority over the "normal" human beings. It ain't getting better considering the Spartans seems to have more respect from the other marines than them, even if the Spartans are actually a part of the navy. The Spartans themselves, however, [[UnknownRival don't really care about the rivalry at all]]. They just want to get the job done. Funnily enough, with the creation of the SPARTAN-IV Program, many [=ODSTs=] have gone on to become Spartans themselves.


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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'', both the Crusaders and Warrior Monks are arms of the [[CorruptChurch theocratic Church of Yevon]], however several Warrior Monks speak disdainfully of the Crusaders, making clear that they consider the Crusaders as only being a few steps away from being heretics, while considering themselves the true defenders of the faith.
3rd Jul '17 8:21:29 PM TheWanderer
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* US Army Staff Sergeant and comedian Yusha Thomas does short, humorous videos about life in the military. Being an Army sergeant, naturally when the other branches of the military get brought up, they get subjected to many jokes, stereotypes, and {{Take That}}s. For example, in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqxrJHkzS0I this video]] where an applicant meets with recruiters from various branches of the military, the Marines are depicted as dimwitted brutes with TestosteronePoisoning who eat crayons and have no benefits to joining aside from cool uniforms and getting a macho reputation, the Air Force recruiter is a [[TheProudElite ridiculously elitist snob]] who practically chases the applicant out of the room, and the Navy gets the usual [[HelloSailor gay sailor]] jokes.



** And now practically ''everyone'' above is united in opposition to the Republican's efforts to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a far inferior substitute.
*** Ummm no https://www.google.co.kr/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/01/13/health/obamacare-doctors-opinions-aca/index.html
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