History Main / InterServiceRivalry

10th Jun '16 10:53:41 AM Doug86
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* In ''This Is The Army'' one of the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne WWI]] Army vets is upset that his son volunteered for the Navy. When they went to see the "This Is the Army" ShowWithinAShow and a bunch of Navy guys showed up the son said, "Now you're gonna see something!" The old man responded: "Who do you think are playing the Navy guys?"

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* In ''This Is The Army'' one of the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI WWI]] Army vets is upset that his son volunteered for the Navy. When they went to see the "This Is the Army" ShowWithinAShow and a bunch of Navy guys showed up the son said, "Now you're gonna see something!" The old man responded: "Who do you think are playing the Navy guys?"



*** Strangely enough, the Navy [=SeaBees=] have a little-known rivalry with the Marines dating back to WorldWarII. When the [=SeaBees=] were founded, they were mostly drawn from civilians with prior experience in construction, which skewed their ranks to a much higher average age than other draftees, to say nothing of the fact that, as older men with vital skills, the initial [=SeaBees=] were mostly volunteers as they'd have been far back in the drafting order. When they first conducted operations with the Marines, the Marines told them that they'd take care of them, to which the [=SeaBees=] replied no, ''they'' would take care of ''them''. The humor in the idea of a group of sailors being {{Papa Wol|f}}ves to the ''USMC'' should be obvious.

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*** Strangely enough, the Navy [=SeaBees=] have a little-known rivalry with the Marines dating back to WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. When the [=SeaBees=] were founded, they were mostly drawn from civilians with prior experience in construction, which skewed their ranks to a much higher average age than other draftees, to say nothing of the fact that, as older men with vital skills, the initial [=SeaBees=] were mostly volunteers as they'd have been far back in the drafting order. When they first conducted operations with the Marines, the Marines told them that they'd take care of them, to which the [=SeaBees=] replied no, ''they'' would take care of ''them''. The humor in the idea of a group of sailors being {{Papa Wol|f}}ves to the ''USMC'' should be obvious.
29th May '16 6:16:41 PM Taskmaster123
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** Montgomery did push it to far on one occasion, actually ''lecturing'' Eisenhower on what he needed to do at one point, prompting a furious Eisenhower to coldly remind Montgomery of who was in charge. Eisenhower was so pissed off that he immediately composed a "he goes or I go" letter to ''both'' Churchill and Roosevelt. Montgomery got wind of it and immediately sent a fawning, ass-kissing letter to Eisenhower apologizing for his behavior, which placated Eisenhower enough to keep him from sending the letters. Montgomery spent the rest of the war very much aware of where Eisenhower drew the line and staying well back from it.

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** Montgomery did push it to too far on one occasion, once, actually ''lecturing'' Eisenhower on what he needed to do at one point, do, prompting a furious Eisenhower to coldly remind Montgomery of who was in charge. Eisenhower was so pissed off that he immediately composed a "he goes or I go" letter to ''both'' Churchill and Roosevelt. Montgomery got wind of it and immediately sent a fawning, ass-kissing letter to Eisenhower apologizing for his behavior, which placated Eisenhower enough to keep him from sending the letters. Montgomery spent the rest of the war very much aware of where Eisenhower drew the line and staying well back from it.
29th May '16 6:14:14 PM Taskmaster123
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** Montgomery did push it to far on one occasion, actually ''lecturing'' Eisenhower on what he needed to do at one point, prompting a furious Eisenhower to coldly remind Montgomery of who was in charge. Eisenhower was so pissed off that he immediately composed a "he goes or I go" letter to ''both'' Churchill and Roosevelt. Montgomery got wind of it and immediately sent a fawning, ass-kissing letter to Eisenhower apologizing for his behavior, which placated Eisenhower enough to keep him from sending the letters. Montgomery spent the rest of the war very much aware of where Eisenhower drew the line and staying well back from it.
21st May '16 11:16:13 AM Kadorhal
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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', this was the problem with Zeon flat out. Everyone was trying to top everyone else, leading to double crosses, delays in important supplies, rivalries between ''production lines'' and, ultimately, the loss of good pilots. A microcosm of this happens with Ramba Ral: when he lost his Gouf [[HumongousMecha mobile suit]], he requested the new model Dom as a replacement. Unfortunately, the man in charge of requisitions was M'Quve, who served under a different commander[[note]]Ral served under Dozle Zabi, M'Quve under Kycilia[[/note]] and refused Ral's request purely for political reasons. As a result, Ral lead a desperate guerilla attack on White Base that resulted in his death. Had he gotten the Doms, he could have potentially defeated the Gundam -- if not alone, then he could have teamed up with the Black Tri-Stars (another group of ace pilots) and won with ease; instead, the Tri-Stars were picked off one by one.

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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', this was the problem with Zeon flat out. Everyone was trying to top everyone else, leading to double crosses, delays in important supplies, rivalries between ''production lines'' and, ultimately, the loss of good pilots. A microcosm of this happens with Ramba Ral: when he lost his Gouf [[HumongousMecha mobile suit]], he requested the new model Dom as a replacement. Unfortunately, the man in charge of requisitions was M'Quve, who served under a different commander[[note]]Ral served under Dozle Zabi, M'Quve under Kycilia[[/note]] and refused Ral's request purely for political reasons. As a result, Ral lead a desperate guerilla attack on White Base that resulted in his death. Had he gotten the Doms, he could have potentially defeated the Gundam -- if not alone, then he could have teamed up with the Black Tri-Stars (another group of ace pilots) and won with ease; instead, the Tri-Stars were picked off one by one.one, as Amuro had become an even better pilot by the time they showed up.
20th May '16 2:10:42 PM Doug86
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* Common in the Literature/StarTrekNovelVerse. In the Klingon Empire, the Klingon Defense Force and Imperial Intelligence hold each other in considerable distaste. In particular, there's a subplot in ''Literature/StarTrekKlingonEmpire'' involving I.I's displeasure with Captain Klag, and his HonorBeforeReason tactics. Also, in the Literature/StarTrekTheLostEra novel ''The Art of the Impossible'', Captain Qaolin of the Defence Force and his Imperial Intelligence liasion ''really'' don't like each other - again, because the berserker battle-hungry tendencies of the warriors clash with I.I's "dishonourable" sneakiness and caution. The Klingons aren't the only ones; the Romulan military takes its codes of honour, and the passionate brotherhood between warriors, very seriously. The cool, passionless underhanded tactics of the Tal Shiar intelligence agency therefore offend them, as does their tendency to question a warrior's loyalty. The Tal Shiar, for their part, view the military leadership as inbred, unimaginative fools. Then there's Cardassia, where Interservice Rivalry is endemic, particularly between the Central Command and the Obsidian Order. In the first Literature/TerokNor novel, Skrain Dukat sums up Central Command's angle on the Order:

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* Common in the Literature/StarTrekNovelVerse.Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse. In the Klingon Empire, the Klingon Defense Force and Imperial Intelligence hold each other in considerable distaste. In particular, there's a subplot in ''Literature/StarTrekKlingonEmpire'' involving I.I's displeasure with Captain Klag, and his HonorBeforeReason tactics. Also, in the Literature/StarTrekTheLostEra novel ''The Art of the Impossible'', Captain Qaolin of the Defence Force and his Imperial Intelligence liasion ''really'' don't like each other - again, because the berserker battle-hungry tendencies of the warriors clash with I.I's "dishonourable" sneakiness and caution. The Klingons aren't the only ones; the Romulan military takes its codes of honour, and the passionate brotherhood between warriors, very seriously. The cool, passionless underhanded tactics of the Tal Shiar intelligence agency therefore offend them, as does their tendency to question a warrior's loyalty. The Tal Shiar, for their part, view the military leadership as inbred, unimaginative fools. Then there's Cardassia, where Interservice Rivalry is endemic, particularly between the Central Command and the Obsidian Order. In the first Literature/TerokNor novel, Skrain Dukat sums up Central Command's angle on the Order:



*** Among Cardassians, Central Command and the Obsidian Order. This is a source of some of the friction between Dukat and Garak. (See also the section above on Literature/StarTrekNovelVerse.)

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*** Among Cardassians, Central Command and the Obsidian Order. This is a source of some of the friction between Dukat and Garak. (See also the section above on Literature/StarTrekNovelVerse.Franchise/StarTrekNovelVerse.)
18th May '16 5:33:14 PM LinTaylor
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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', this was the problem with Zeon flat out. Everyone was trying to top everyone else, leading to double crosses, delays in important supplies, rivalries between ''production lines'' and, ultimately, the loss of good pilots. Probably a good sign of this is the loss of Ramba Ral and the Black Tri-Stars, kicked off because M'Quve refused to give Ramba the new Doms. Ramba goes on a suicide mission when he realizes he's alone and, when the Black Tri-Stars enter the fray sometime later, Amuro's Newtype abilities are starting to awaken and it allows him to overwhelm the trio, something that wouldn't of happen had Ramba had the Doms earlier.

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* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', this was the problem with Zeon flat out. Everyone was trying to top everyone else, leading to double crosses, delays in important supplies, rivalries between ''production lines'' and, ultimately, the loss of good pilots. Probably a good sign A microcosm of this is the loss of happens with Ramba Ral and Ral: when he lost his Gouf [[HumongousMecha mobile suit]], he requested the Black Tri-Stars, kicked off because new model Dom as a replacement. Unfortunately, the man in charge of requisitions was M'Quve, who served under a different commander[[note]]Ral served under Dozle Zabi, M'Quve under Kycilia[[/note]] and refused to give Ramba Ral's request purely for political reasons. As a result, Ral lead a desperate guerilla attack on White Base that resulted in his death. Had he gotten the new Doms. Ramba goes on a suicide mission when Doms, he realizes he's alone and, when could have potentially defeated the Gundam -- if not alone, then he could have teamed up with the Black Tri-Stars enter (another group of ace pilots) and won with ease; instead, the fray sometime later, Amuro's Newtype abilities are starting to awaken and it allows him to overwhelm the trio, something that wouldn't of happen had Ramba had the Doms earlier.Tri-Stars were picked off one by one.
18th May '16 5:39:44 AM themisterfree
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* Indonesia is no stranger to this trope, either. During the 32-year authoritarian rule of Suharto (Suharto being an army general), the army become so dominant not only in the society, but in the armed forces institution itself the other branches very often became sidelined. fortunately, this got better after Suharto fall out of power.
** Due to low discipline, some cases of inter-service rivalry even escalated to military/police units shooting at each other. police vs. military being the most often case. some examples are:
*** In 1964, fully armed army special forces personnel (RPKAD, now Kopassus) stormed Indonesian marines corps base in senen, Jakarta. dozens of personnel from both sides got badly injured before the brawl could finally be suppressed by their superiors. the cause: exchanged of taunting from both sides got heated.
*** In 2002, hundreds of soldiers, from the 100th airborne troops battalion in Binjai, North Sumatera, leave their base fully armed and attacked local police station. the polices, overwhelmed, called nearby police's mobile brigade (Brigade Mobil, or BriMob) for help and battle ensued throughout the night. the cause: one of the soldier from the 100th airborne troops battalion got friend that arrested by the police.when the soldier, with some other soldiers tried to freed his friend for the police, melee ensued. although no one got killed, the news quickly spread to other soldiers in the base, agitating them. attempt to calmed them from their superiors came to no avail.
*** In 2013, at least 90 soldiers from the 15th armed battalion in Ogan Komering Ulu district, South Sumatera, attacked and burned police office and stations after one of their comrades got shot dead by the police.
*** In 2014, 134th infantry battalion and Riau Island police's mobile brigade in the city of Batam exchanged fires. at least one soldier died and one civilian injured. some analyst concluded this accident roots from police and military rivalry in supporting/protecting illegal business in the island and finally. the final trigger itself was taunting each other, again.

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* Indonesia is no stranger to this trope, either. During the 32-year authoritarian rule of Suharto (Suharto being an army general), the army become so dominant not only in the society, but in the armed forces institution itself itself, and the other branches very often became sidelined. fortunately, Fortunately, this got better after Suharto fall fell out of power.
** Due to low discipline, some cases of inter-service rivalry even escalated to military/police units shooting at each other. other- police vs. military being the most often frequent case. some Some examples are:
*** In 1964, fully armed army special forces Army Special Forces personnel (RPKAD, now Kopassus) stormed an Indonesian marines corps Marine Corps base in senen, Senen, Jakarta. dozens Dozens of personnel from both sides got badly injured before the brawl could finally be suppressed by their superiors. the The cause: exchanged exchanges of taunting from both sides got heated.
*** In 2002, hundreds of soldiers, soldiers from the 100th airborne troops battalion Airborne Troops Battalion in Binjai, North Sumatera, leave left their base fully armed and attacked a local police station. the polices, The police, overwhelmed, called a nearby police's police mobile brigade (Brigade Mobil, or BriMob) for help and battle ensued throughout the night. the The cause: one of the soldier soldiers from the 100th airborne troops battalion got had a friend that was arrested by the police.when police. When the soldier, with some other soldiers tried to freed free his friend for from the police, melee ensued. although Although no one got killed, the news quickly spread to other soldiers in the base, agitating them. An attempt to calmed calm them from their superiors came to no avail.
*** In 2013, at least 90 soldiers from the 15th armed battalion in Ogan Komering Ulu district, South Sumatera, attacked and burned police office officers and stations after one of their comrades got shot dead by the police.
*** In 2014, the 134th infantry battalion and the Riau Island police's mobile brigade in the city of Batam exchanged fires. at fire. At least one soldier died and one civilian was injured. some analyst Some analysts concluded this accident roots from police and military rivalry in supporting/protecting illegal business in the island and finally. island; the final trigger itself was taunting each other, again.
11th May '16 10:09:42 PM Kadorhal
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** In a more general sense, the setting breaks down its armies by their role in combat, with different divisions for Dropship and Jumpship transportation and combat units. This is further split down based on the nature of combat units: [[HumongousMecha Battlemech]], [[TankGoodness ground armor]], [[CoolPlane Aerospace wings]], and infantry both [[PowerArmor battle-armored]] and otherwise. The most notable traditional rivalries and squabbling in most armed forces in the setting so far shown have included: DropShip crews and [[FasterThanLightTravel Jumpship]] crews, Dropship crews and Aerospace pilots, Mechwarriors and Aerospace pilots, Mechwarriors and Dropship crews, Mechwarriors and tank crews, Mechwarriors and infantry units, and Mechwarriors and other Mechwarriors.

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** In a more general sense, the setting breaks down its armies by their role in combat, with different divisions for Dropship and Jumpship transportation and combat units. This is further split down based on the nature of combat units: [[HumongousMecha Battlemech]], [[TankGoodness ground armor]], [[CoolPlane Aerospace wings]], and infantry infantry, both [[PowerArmor battle-armored]] and otherwise. The most notable traditional rivalries and squabbling in most armed forces in the setting so far shown have included: DropShip crews and [[FasterThanLightTravel Jumpship]] crews, Dropship crews and Aerospace pilots, Mechwarriors and Aerospace pilots, Mechwarriors and Dropship crews, Mechwarriors and tank crews, Mechwarriors and infantry units, and Mechwarriors and other Mechwarriors.



** Briefly alluded to in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', where the Marine Corps are conducting their own Metal Gear project independently, but about halfway through Snake notices an Army version of the Cypher UAV investigating the tanker.

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** Briefly alluded to in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', where the Marine Corps are conducting their own Metal Gear project independently, but about halfway through Snake notices an Army version of the Cypher UAV investigating the tanker. Commandant Dolph's speech in the holds likewise mentions heavy Navy opposition to Metal Gear RAY, both because it's in direct opposition to their Arsenal Gear project, and that the strategic importance of aircraft carriers would likely be reduced by a weapon with RAY's capabilities.



* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', while it seemed as if the divisions were pretty spiffy with each other in the original game, ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' showed that [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Shinra]] corps seemed to be in a constant state of war. The mook Midgar security soldiers didnít like the more attention hogging [=SOLDIERs=], the mooks ignore Turk instructions in lieu of getting more rewards for themselves, the [=SOLDIERs=] treating the smaller foot soldiers as nothing better than CannonFodder Ö the dynamics of which contributed highly to [[spoiler:Zackís death in the end, as the soldiers rushed forth to execute Zack before the Turks arrived at the scene]].

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* For ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', while it seemed as if the divisions were pretty spiffy with each other in the original game, ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' showed that [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Shinra]] corps seemed to be in a constant state of war. The mook Midgar security soldiers didnít like the more attention hogging [=SOLDIERs=], the mooks ignore Turk instructions in lieu of getting more rewards for themselves, the [=SOLDIERs=] treating the smaller foot soldiers as nothing better than CannonFodder Ö CannonFodder... the dynamics of which contributed highly to [[spoiler:Zackís death in the end, as the soldiers rushed forth to execute Zack before the Turks arrived at the scene]].
11th May '16 9:52:09 PM Kadorhal
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* Italian ''Regia Marina'' (the Navy) versus ''Regia Aeronautica'' (the Air Force) during World War II: the Navy complained that the Air Force was the reason they had no carriers, that they were ''never'' on the battlefield in time and that while they were very good at sinking battleships, they weren't very good at [[FriendOrFoe recognizing which ships were British]], while the Air Force complained that the Navy hoarded all the funds and technically-capable recruits but couldn't defeat the Royal Navy. In a magnificent example of FascistButInefficient, they were both right due the inefficiency of the Fascist government.

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\n* Italian ''Regia Marina'' (the Navy) versus ''Regia Aeronautica'' (the Air Force) during World War II: the II. The Navy complained that the Air Force was the reason they had no carriers, that they were ''never'' on the battlefield in time time, and that while they were very good at sinking battleships, ships, they weren't very good at [[FriendOrFoe recognizing which ships were British]], while the British]]. The Air Force complained that the Navy hoarded all the funds and technically-capable recruits but recruits, yet couldn't defeat the Royal Navy. In a magnificent example of FascistButInefficient, they were both ''both'' right due the inefficiency of the Fascist government.
1st May '16 3:58:16 AM aye_amber
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* Parodied in ''Webcomic/JetDreamAndHerTGirlCounterspies''. ''It's Cookie!'' features two [[TeenSuperspy teenage]] Soviet bad guys: [[MoscowCentre KGB]] agent "He-She Svetlana", and {{GRU}} "Saboteen" Captain Boris Volkov. The two can't stand each other, and in "The He-She Ski Affair", their respective organizations are also working at cross-purposes -- the GRU wants to capture and interrogate Cookie Jarr, while the KGB wants to assassinate her.

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* Parodied in ''Webcomic/JetDreamAndHerTGirlCounterspies''. ''Webcomic/JetDream.'' ''It's Cookie!'' features two [[TeenSuperspy teenage]] Soviet bad guys: [[MoscowCentre KGB]] agent "He-She Svetlana", and {{GRU}} "Saboteen" Captain Boris Volkov. The two can't stand each other, and in "The He-She Ski Affair", their respective organizations are also working at cross-purposes -- the GRU wants to capture and interrogate Cookie Jarr, while the KGB wants to assassinate her.
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