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21st Nov '17 9:01:05 PM Malady
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3rd Nov '17 10:32:15 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Doctor Wallace Breen in ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}'' acts as the voice and face of the alien Combine occupation, but it's not entirely clear if his support is out of self-serving misanthropy or actual misguided idealism. Regardless, he constantly tries to provide "rational" and "scientific" reasons for why aliens committing genocide and suppressing human reproduction is a good thing for our future.

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* Doctor Wallace Breen in ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life 2}}'' ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'' acts as the voice and face of the alien Combine occupation, but it's not entirely clear if his support is out of self-serving misanthropy or actual misguided idealism. Regardless, he constantly tries to provide "rational" and "scientific" reasons for why aliens committing genocide and suppressing human reproduction is a good thing for our future.
10th Sep '17 9:26:03 PM Doug86
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* [[ComicBook/TheFantasticFour Reed Richards]] turns from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless useless]] into outright this in Comicbook/CivilWar and ComicBook/MarvelZombies. In Comicbook/CivilWar, he and [[spoiler:Skrull!]]ComicBook/AntMan flank Tony Stark by this. Though in the case of ComicBook/MarvelZombies it's clear that the grief of losing his children left him.... slightly unhinged.

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* [[ComicBook/TheFantasticFour [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] turns from [[ReedRichardsIsUseless useless]] into outright this in Comicbook/CivilWar and ComicBook/MarvelZombies. In Comicbook/CivilWar, he and [[spoiler:Skrull!]]ComicBook/AntMan flank Tony Stark by this. Though in the case of ComicBook/MarvelZombies it's clear that the grief of losing his children left him.... slightly unhinged.
24th May '17 9:56:02 PM Fireblood
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* In ''La Trahison des Clercs'' French philosopher Julien Benda accused European intellectuals of the 19th and early 20th centuries of having done this, becoming apologists to tyranny by supporting ideas like nationalism, warmongering and racism.
* Karl Popper believed ''Literature/TheRepublic'' was an example of this, where {{Creator/Plato}} sets out his ideal state that is frighteningly totalitarian. He felt it negatively influenced Western civilization given Plato's acclaim, which he saw born out with the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
24th May '17 3:12:48 PM Fireblood
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', the BigBad [[spoiler:Ozymandias is a former super-hero]] who once believed in SaveTheVillain and ThouShaltNotKill, reluctantly he comes around to accepting that it's necessary to unleash a massive atrocity to end the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by means of GenghisGambit. The final two issues of the comics all deal with how he arrived at this decision intellectually and justifying it by means of the same.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', the BigBad [[spoiler:Ozymandias is a former super-hero]] who once believed in SaveTheVillain and ThouShaltNotKill, reluctantly ThouShaltNotKill. Reluctantly he comes around to accepting that it's necessary to unleash a massive atrocity to end the UsefulNotes/ColdWar by means of GenghisGambit. The final two issues of the comics all deal with how he arrived at this decision intellectually and justifying it by means of the same.



* Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' has a rare example of this character as the EvilOverlord himself, in Mustapha Mond. Also unique though is that he comes across as more complex/likely to be right than other examples. Mond is one the few who realized how oppressive the system is since he is smart enough to see the science they practice is repeating what was already known to avoid upsetting the statu quo with new breakthroughs. The difference between him and the protagonists is that the World controllers had an opening when Mond realized it and he took their offer.
* Creator/FyodorDostoevsky dealt with this so often (in ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment, Literature/{{Demons}}, Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov''), that some argue that he comes dangerously close to AntiIntellectualism since his novels frequently presented characters inspired by Western ideas to be both insane ''and'' [[NoTrueScotsman anti-Russian]], and likewise said the only alternative was community with the Orthodox Church and accepting the Tsarist regime. Russian critics indeed accused Dostoevsky for PsychologicalProjection in that he condemned radical and left-wing ideas for intellectually justifying violence [[TheHorseshoeEffect while himself providing intellectual justifications for Tsarist autocracy]].
** Raskolnikov in ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment'' argues by citing Napoleon and other ByronicHero, that exceptional people and smart individuals have a right to fully control and determine the lives of those beneath him. Most of the novel is a series of interactions between him and other characters to test out whether his ideas are right or wrong. [[spoiler:In the end, Raskolnikov in a WhatYouAreInTheDark moment, decides that he is in fact right, and that most of the world and social values are bunk and hypocritical, and that the only thing stopping him from being a good person is himself, and in the end, he willingly turning himself in for his crimes]].
** ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'' has this conflict play out between the three brothers of Alyosha, Ivan and Dimitri, children of a nasty father. Ivan is the intellectual who believes that in a world without God or religious belief, "everything is permitted" and is sympathetic to revolutionary violence and other ideas. He even provides a famous parable to Alyosha called "the Grand Inquisitor" that a CorruptChurch's tyranny dwarfs, co-opts and destroys Christ's goodness. But ultimately he faces guilt [[spoiler:for the fact that his ideas drove Smerdyakov, his bastard brother, to commit {{Patricide}} and frame his other brother Dimitri for the crime. Ivan can't handle the guilt of what his ideas achieved in reality and goes insane when Dmitri is sentenced and faces imprisonment for a crime he didn't commit]].

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* Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' has a rare example of this character as the EvilOverlord himself, in Mustapha Mond. Also unique though is that he comes across as more complex/likely to be right than other examples. Mond is one the few who realized how oppressive the system is since he is smart enough to see the science they practice is repeating what was already known to avoid upsetting the statu quo with new breakthroughs. The difference between him and the protagonists is that the World controllers had an opening when opening. When Mond realized it and it, he took their offer.
* Creator/FyodorDostoevsky dealt with this so often (in ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment, Literature/{{Demons}}, Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov''), that some argue that he comes dangerously close to AntiIntellectualism since his novels frequently presented characters inspired by Western ideas to be both insane ''and'' [[NoTrueScotsman anti-Russian]], and likewise said the only alternative was community with the Orthodox Church and accepting the Tsarist regime. Russian critics indeed accused Dostoevsky for of PsychologicalProjection in that he condemned radical and left-wing ideas for intellectually justifying violence [[TheHorseshoeEffect while himself providing intellectual justifications for Tsarist autocracy]].
autocracy]], while once being a leftist revolutionary himself.
** Raskolnikov in ''Literature/CrimeAndPunishment'' argues by citing Napoleon and other ByronicHero, {{Byronic hero}}es that exceptional people and smart individuals have a right to fully control and determine the lives of those beneath him. Most of the novel is a series of interactions between him and other characters to test out whether his ideas are right or wrong. [[spoiler:In the end, Raskolnikov in a WhatYouAreInTheDark moment, moment decides that he is in fact right, and that most of the world and social values are bunk and hypocritical, and that the only thing stopping him from being a good person is himself, and in the end, he willingly turning turns himself in for his crimes]].
** ''Literature/TheBrothersKaramazov'' has this conflict play out between the three brothers of Alyosha, Ivan and Dimitri, children of a nasty father. Ivan is the intellectual who believes that in a world without God or religious belief, "everything is permitted" permitted", and is sympathetic to revolutionary violence and other ideas. He even provides a famous parable to Alyosha called "the Grand Inquisitor" that a CorruptChurch's tyranny dwarfs, co-opts and destroys Christ's goodness. But ultimately he faces guilt [[spoiler:for the fact that his ideas drove Smerdyakov, his bastard brother, to commit {{Patricide}} and frame his other brother Dimitri for the crime. Ivan can't handle the guilt of what his ideas achieved in reality and goes insane when Dmitri is sentenced and faces imprisonment for a crime he didn't commit]].



** The play ''The Firebugs'' (also translated as ''The Arsonists'') has the title pyromaniacs aided by a character identified only as Professor. However, he grows disgusted after realizing the other firebugs are only doing it for fun, not radical politics, and disassociates.

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** The play ''The Firebugs'' (also translated as ''The Arsonists'') has the title pyromaniacs aided by a character identified only as Professor. However, he grows disgusted after realizing the other firebugs are only doing it for fun, not radical politics, and disassociates.disassociates from them.



** In fact, almost all of the Forsaken were intellectuals before the Bore was opened. Sammael (an athlete), Moghedien (investment broker) and Be'lal (lawyer) were not (and Rahvin is a cypher), but the Forsaken include a doctor, a geneticist, a composer, a university lecturer, a psychiatrist, an academic mage studying the nature of magic, an historian/anthropologist, and the aforementioned philosopher. The others are mostly well-versed in history, literature, and '''especially''' magic, among other things.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' by Creator/GeorgeRRMartin has the Citadel and the Order of Maesters. The Maesters are supported and patronized by the feudal lords and they write the court histories and advise the King or High Lord on matters of policies and educate the children. This results in many of them invoking HobbesWasRight, WorkingClassPeopleAreMorons and other tropes to not only justify and cement the power of the aristocracy, but to make them feel good about it. Maester Pycelle, the utterly corrupt Grand Maester of the Citadel in particular serves as the propagandist for tyrannical Tywin Lannister and more or less justifies all his most heinous crimes for the greater good.

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** In fact, almost all of the Forsaken were intellectuals before the Bore was opened. Sammael (an athlete), (athlete), Moghedien (investment broker) and Be'lal (lawyer) were not (and Rahvin is a cypher), but the Forsaken include a doctor, a geneticist, a composer, a university lecturer, a psychiatrist, an academic mage studying the nature of magic, an historian/anthropologist, and the aforementioned philosopher. The others are mostly well-versed in history, literature, and '''especially''' magic, among other things.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' by Creator/GeorgeRRMartin has the Citadel and the Order of Maesters. The Maesters are supported and patronized by the feudal lords and they write the court histories and advise the King or High Lord on matters of policies and educate the children. This results in many of them invoking HobbesWasRight, WorkingClassPeopleAreMorons and other tropes to not only justify and cement the power of the aristocracy, but to make them feel good about it. Maester Pycelle, the utterly corrupt Grand Maester of the Citadel Citadel, in particular serves as the propagandist for tyrannical Tywin Lannister and more or less justifies all his most heinous crimes for the greater good.



* ''VideoGame/DanganRonpa'': This trope comes into play in the second game, where we learn [[spoiler:the answer to ApocalypseHow. There's been a global revolution of murderous nihilism -- led by mankind's best and brightest, the 77th Hope's Peak graduating class.]] The subsequent anime {{retcon}}ned this somewhat ([[spoiler:they were brainwashed by Junko and may even have thought they were doing ''good'']]) but also introduced new examples, as noted above.

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* ''VideoGame/DanganRonpa'': This trope comes into play in the second game, where we learn [[spoiler:the answer to ApocalypseHow. There's been a global revolution of murderous nihilism -- led by mankind's best and brightest, the 77th Hope's Peak graduating class.]] The subsequent anime {{retcon}}ned this somewhat somewhat, ([[spoiler:they were brainwashed by Junko and may even have thought they were doing ''good'']]) but also introduced new examples, as noted above.
8th May '17 9:21:26 PM Fireblood
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** The play ''The Firebugs'' (also translated as ''The Arsonists'') has the title pyromaniacs aided by a character identified only as Professor.

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** The play ''The Firebugs'' (also translated as ''The Arsonists'') has the title pyromaniacs aided by a character identified only as Professor. However, he grows disgusted after realizing the other firebugs are only doing it for fun, not radical politics, and disassociates.



** In fact, almost all of the Forsaken were intellectuals before the Bore was opened. Sammael (an athlete), Moghedien (investment broker) and Be'lal (lawyer) were not (and Rahvin is a cypher), but the Forsaken include a doctor, a geneticist, a composer, a university lecturer, a psychiatrist, an academic mage studying the nature of magic, an historian/anthropologist, and the aforementioned philosopher. The others are mostly well-versed in history, literature, and '''especially''' magic, amongst other things.

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** In fact, almost all of the Forsaken were intellectuals before the Bore was opened. Sammael (an athlete), Moghedien (investment broker) and Be'lal (lawyer) were not (and Rahvin is a cypher), but the Forsaken include a doctor, a geneticist, a composer, a university lecturer, a psychiatrist, an academic mage studying the nature of magic, an historian/anthropologist, and the aforementioned philosopher. The others are mostly well-versed in history, literature, and '''especially''' magic, amongst among other things.
29th Apr '17 2:40:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Archetypes that are similar but not exactly this trope include WellIntentionedExtremist, MadScientist, EvilGenius, differing from this trope in that it better fits villains or VillainProtagonist. IntellectuallySupportedTyranny are not really main characters but usually supporting players, and where the other archetypes commit evil actions believing them to be good, such figures know fully well that the actions are tyrannical but are both "necessary" and "correct". Given that they tend to reference actual totalitarian governments, {{dystopia}}n works often have the heroes interacting with this type, who tends to have power in a paradoxically anti-intellectual state. [[noreallife]]

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Archetypes that are similar but not exactly this trope include WellIntentionedExtremist, MadScientist, EvilGenius, differing from this trope in that it better fits villains or VillainProtagonist. IntellectuallySupportedTyranny Intellectually Supported Tyranny are not really main characters but usually supporting players, and where the other archetypes commit evil actions believing them to be good, such figures know fully well that the actions are tyrannical but are both "necessary" and "correct". Given that they tend to reference actual totalitarian governments, {{dystopia}}n works often have the heroes interacting with this type, who tends to have power in a paradoxically anti-intellectual state. [[noreallife]]
29th Apr '17 2:38:59 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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The regime has established a tyranny that oppresses people, or carries out or initiates policies which are tyrannical, or otherwise express a lot of nasty views of FantasticRacism and so on. Most of the people who support this have to be pure evil, right? Sure some of them are, but it's possible that some or most of them are JustFollowingOrders, or are being bribed by BetterLivingThroughEvil, are intimidated into submission by fear and reprisal. But surely, no smart person could rationally condone and support such actions. Cue the ultimate BrokenPedestal, the individuals who are smart, who are competent, and even achievers in their profession, supporting an organization, state, or a set of policies that are directly harmful to others. Such individuals both believe and support such policies and even articulate elaborately written justifications that on the face of it, [[BastardlySpeech may sound convincing]] and you might even approve, reluctantly or honestly, that JerkassHasAPoint or HannibalHasAPoint.

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The regime has established a tyranny that oppresses people, or carries out or initiates policies which are tyrannical, or otherwise express a lot of nasty views of FantasticRacism and so on. Most of the people who support this have to be pure evil, right? Sure some of them are, but it's possible that some or most of them are JustFollowingOrders, or are being bribed by BetterLivingThroughEvil, are intimidated into submission by fear and reprisal. But surely, no smart person could rationally condone and support such actions. Cue the ultimate BrokenPedestal, the individuals who are smart, who are competent, and even achievers in their profession, supporting an organization, state, or a set of policies that are directly harmful to others. Such individuals both believe and support such policies and even articulate elaborately written justifications that on the face of it, [[BastardlySpeech may sound convincing]] and you might even approve, reluctantly or honestly, that JerkassHasAPoint or HannibalHasAPoint.VillainHasAPoint.
29th Apr '17 2:32:39 PM trixus
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* Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' has a rare example of this character as the EvilOverlord himself, in Mustapha Mond. Also unique though is that he comes across as more complex/likely to be right than other examples. Mond is one the few who realized how oppressive the system is since he is smart enough to see the science they practice is repeating what was already known since too much progress would upset the regime. The difference between him and the protagonists is that the World controllers needed a controller in Western Europe when Mond realized it.

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* Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' has a rare example of this character as the EvilOverlord himself, in Mustapha Mond. Also unique though is that he comes across as more complex/likely to be right than other examples. Mond is one the few who realized how oppressive the system is since he is smart enough to see the science they practice is repeating what was already known since too much progress would upset to avoid upsetting the regime. statu quo with new breakthroughs. The difference between him and the protagonists is that the World controllers needed a controller in Western Europe had an opening when Mond realized it.it and he took their offer.
29th Apr '17 2:29:17 PM trixus
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* Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' has a rare example of this character as the EvilOverlord himself, in Mustapha Mond. Also unique though is that he comes across as more complex/likely to be right than other examples.

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* Aldous Huxley's ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' has a rare example of this character as the EvilOverlord himself, in Mustapha Mond. Also unique though is that he comes across as more complex/likely to be right than other examples. Mond is one the few who realized how oppressive the system is since he is smart enough to see the science they practice is repeating what was already known since too much progress would upset the regime. The difference between him and the protagonists is that the World controllers needed a controller in Western Europe when Mond realized it.
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