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15th Oct '17 4:57:49 AM tropeminer
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** Though apparently a line they filmed but cut (for what reason?) had future Spock say that this new space-time continuum was "trying to repair itself", hence the reason why they all ended up on the same ship.

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** Though apparently a line they filmed but cut (for what reason?) had future Spock Prime say that this new space-time continuum was "trying to repair itself", hence the reason why they all ended up on the same ship.
15th Oct '17 4:55:59 AM tropeminer
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* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' movie, no matter what the BigBad does, the original cast of [[StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] ends up on the ''Enterprise'' in the spots they filled on the show. It's implied that his actions cause the group to coalesce ''sooner'' than they did in the original timeline.
** In the case of Chekov, it actually caused him to be ''born'' sooner. Chekov was originally born in 2245, but the new timestream pushed it forward to 2241. It's interesting to imagine that as soon as they heard the news about the destruction of the ''Kelvin'', Chekov's parents' first reaction was "we should have sex!", and that's why Chekov is older in the new film.[[note]]The timeframe in the 2009 movie would've made Chekov 13 years old had his original year of birth remained.[[/note]]

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* In the 2009 ''Film/StarTrek'' movie, no matter what the BigBad does, the original cast of [[StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]] ends up on the ''Enterprise'' in the spots they filled on the show. It's actually implied that his Nero's actions cause the group to coalesce ''sooner'' than they did in the original timeline.
** In the case of Chekov, it actually caused him to be ''born'' sooner. Chekov was originally born in 2245, but the new timestream pushed it forward to 2241. It's interesting to imagine that as soon as they heard the news about the destruction of the ''Kelvin'', Chekov's parents' first reaction was "we should have sex!", bone!", and that's why Chekov is older in the new film.[[note]]The timeframe in the 2009 movie would've made Chekov 13 years old had his original year of birth remained.[[/note]]



** Though apparently a line they filmed but cut (for what reason?) had future Spock say that the timeline and the universe were trying to repair themselves, hence the reason why they ended up on the same ship.

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** Though apparently a line they filmed but cut (for what reason?) had future Spock say that the timeline and the universe were trying this new space-time continuum was "trying to repair themselves, itself", hence the reason why they all ended up on the same ship.
5th Oct '17 1:45:23 PM Chabal2
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* ''Literature/AConnecticutYankeeInKingArthursCourt'': Despite OneManIndustrialRevolution Hank Morgan's best efforts to defy this trope and drag 6th-century Britain kicking and screaming into the 19th century by introducing guns, education, democracy, electricity and advertising to the oppressed masses, it ''still'' ends with a civil war opposing first Lancelot then Mordred and Arthur (in this case, Lancelot making a big profit off the stock market causes less fortunate knights including Mordred to demand he pay back their losses lest they inform the king of his affair with the queen). The events of the final battle are taken directly from one of the best-known versions of the myth (the knights are at a peace conference, one sees a snake in the grass and draws his sword to kill it, misunderstandings and violence ensue), though narrated in Twain's style.
27th Sep '17 9:39:01 AM Duffan
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* This is played for laughs in the ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' episode "The Multiverse" where Stewie shows Brian an Earth where Christianity was never founded. Because there was no Dark Ages, humanity is 500 years ahead of "our" world as far as technology, health, and society goes, resulting in near-{{utopia}}. Meg is a beautiful woman with a flawless figure and hair (and ''still'' considered "ugly" by the standards of this world.) However, Quagmire is still the promiscuous pervert he always was. (But he's a little better off because at least an HIV cure is so common it's available over-the-counter.)
26th Sep '17 8:25:20 PM aidreamer
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** Future King Radical {{Hand Wave}}s it with: "Time travel is a difficult art with few experts. There's a reason it's always Chuck Goodrich. He's the best." It eventually transpires that [[spoiler: King Radical ''himself'' is his world's Chuck Goodrich. King Radical is just his regnal name. He came through the portal to prevent Sparklelord's apocalypse.]]

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** Future King Radical {{Hand Wave}}s it with: "Time travel is a difficult art with few experts. There's a reason it's always Chuck Goodrich. He's the best." It eventually transpires that [[spoiler: King Radical ''himself'' is his world's Chuck Goodrich. King Radical is just his regnal name. He came through the portal to prevent Sparklelord's apocalypse.save his own universe at the expense of the Doctor's universe.]]
20th Sep '17 9:14:21 PM Gamermaster
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* Despite the vastly different circumstances leading up to it, [[spoiler:Rei still ends up sacrificing herself to defeat the 16th Angel]] in ''Fanfic/AdviceAndTrust''. The author said that he did this deliberately to draw a contrast with how everyone was at that point in the main series.
-->''By having that one event turn out the same, but for entirely different reasons, the whys would be underlined, and the consequences even more so.''



** Lampshaded in ''Fanfic/IAmNOTGoingThroughPubertyAgain'', when the seating arrangement for the Chunin Exams ends up identical to the original timeline despite Sakura stating that it would be impossible. Most of the characters also end up with the same significant others despite vastly different circumstances.

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** Lampshaded in ''Fanfic/IAmNOTGoingThroughPubertyAgain'', when the seating arrangement for the Chunin Exams ends up identical to the original timeline despite Sakura stating that it would be statistically impossible. Most of the characters also end up with the same significant others despite vastly different circumstances.



* While non-DL6 world in an Franchise/AceAttorney fanfic ''Fanfic/ACompleteTurnabout'' is completely different from the one we know some things don't change. Phoenix and Iris still meet and fall in love, Phoenix and Maya still become friends, SL-9 still happens and [[spoiler: Karma still kills Gregory Edgeworth although much later]].

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* While non-DL6 non-[=DL6=] world in an Franchise/AceAttorney fanfic ''Fanfic/ACompleteTurnabout'' is completely different from the one we know some things don't change. Phoenix and Iris still meet and fall in love, Phoenix and Maya still become friends, SL-9 still happens and [[spoiler: Karma still kills Gregory Edgeworth although much later]].
18th Sep '17 9:37:32 AM AnotherDuck
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* FridgeLogic gives this from ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' season 5, when you realize for Franchise/{{Buffyverse}} canon to make sense, before season 5 Dawn must have had very little, if any, actual effect on the world.
** Which makes sense, because only memories and records of her were inserted "retroactively" -- she herself ''wasn't''. Her history was created to dovetail into what had already happened, so of course she did nothing to change things. It may also be the case that the Scoobies' memories were altered such that they remember Dawn playing an occasional role in making things turn out the way they did. It would be interesting, for example, to find out just what they remember of Dawn's involvement in That Certain Halloween.
** This is covered in the comic collection ''False Memories'' (June 2002), where we see some events of the past seasons from Dawn's perspective. She also appears in comics from 2003-2004 set before "Welcome to the Hellmouth".
** Considering that Dawn would have been a quite young child during the early series, and that Buffy was trying to keep her separate from any Slayer-related activity even when she was 14 and beyond, it's no surprise that she had no influence to much of the plot.

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* FridgeLogic gives this from ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' season 5, when you realize for Franchise/{{Buffyverse}} canon to make sense, before season 5 Dawn must have had very little, if any, actual effect on the world.
** Which makes sense, because only memories and records of her were inserted "retroactively" -- she herself ''wasn't''. Her history was created to dovetail into what had already happened, so of course she did nothing to change things. It may also be the case that the Scoobies' memories were altered such that they remember Dawn playing an occasional role in making things turn out the way they did. It would be interesting, for example, to find out just what they remember of Dawn's involvement in That Certain Halloween.
** This is covered in the comic collection ''False Memories'' (June 2002), where we see some events of the past seasons from Dawn's perspective. She also appears in comics from 2003-2004 set before "Welcome to the Hellmouth".
** Considering that Dawn would have been a quite young child during the early series, and that Buffy was trying to keep her separate from any Slayer-related activity even when she was 14 and beyond, it's no surprise that she had no influence to much of the plot.
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*** Less bothersome with the other characters, because they all lived in Sunnydale independently of Buffy, and the divergence point was only about three years earlier. Which brings up an interesting general rule: The further back in time the divergence point is, the weirder InSpiteOfANail becomes.

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*** ** Less bothersome with the other characters, because they all lived in Sunnydale independently of Buffy, and the divergence point was only about three years earlier. Which brings up an interesting general rule: The further back in time the divergence point is, the weirder InSpiteOfANail becomes.
18th Sep '17 9:35:30 AM AnotherDuck
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* At the end of ''Series/{{Angel}}'' season 4, Angel makes a DealWithTheDevil to ensure that instead of being his son, Connor was raised by a normal human family. Except that Connor was an essential element to a StoryArc that lasted ''three seasons'', involving Darla, Sahjahn, Holtz, Wesley, Lilah, and ultimately Jasmine, and the idea that his absence didn't affect any of this is absurd.
** It is not entirely clear to what extent Angel's deal actually changed the past, or if it simply changed their memories. The demon who did it refers to it as shaping reality, but Angel does retain his original memories, and Connor his original genetics (or at least appearance) so if he did alter reality, the alteration was incomplete. Later in the season when Wesley undoes the spell for those within close proximity to himself, which included Connor, it is implied that they end up with memories from both timelines.
*** It would be very interesting to know exactly how the alternate timeline explained Wesley's estrangement from the group (implied in that his relationship with Lilah still happened) without involving Connor.
*** It's made very clear that the past was not changed at all, only people's memories. In season 5 [[spoiler:they get them back]].
11th Sep '17 11:21:06 AM BeastC
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* In one [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} story, Supes asked the supercomputer in his fortress to extrapolate what his life might have been like if Krypton had never exploded. The extrapolated story finally ends with an odd circumstance where this alternate Kal-El acquires super-powers and becomes Superman ''on Krypton.'' Supes and Batman turn away from the screen with just priceless expressions of astonishment.

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* In one [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Franchise/{{Superman}} story, Supes asked the supercomputer in his fortress to extrapolate what his life might have been like if Krypton had never exploded. The extrapolated story finally ends with an odd circumstance where this alternate Kal-El acquires super-powers super-powers, loses his family, and becomes Superman ''on Krypton.'' Krypton'', full costume with the cape and insignia and all. Supes and Batman turn away from the screen with just priceless expressions of astonishment.
7th Sep '17 11:11:00 PM RyCyber
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* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse: The Netflix shows take place in a New York City affected by [[Film/TheAvengers2012 "The Incident"]], however, evidence suggests that aside from the insertion of the invasion, the city's history has been unaltered. For instance, the Black Lives Matter movement is referenced in ''Series/LukeCage2016''. Likewise, ''Series/Daredevil2015'' shows that the Fall Experimental Football League[[note]]a failed minor league football franchise intent on being a professional feeder system for the NFL; it lasted from 2014 to 2016[[/note]] still happened, as Karen Page wears a Brooklyn Bolts T-shirt in one scene in season 1. The biggest difference is that the RealLife Hell's Kitchen has escaped it's crime and poverty-stricken past and a crime-fighting vigilante would be rather unnecessary, so the AlienInvasion is mentioned as having wrecked much of that area specifically ([FridgeLogic even though in the movie none of the fighting was nearby it]]), causing a rise in violent crime and gangsters again so that the story has some reason for being.

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* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse: The Netflix shows take place in a New York City affected by [[Film/TheAvengers2012 "The Incident"]], however, evidence suggests that aside from the insertion of the invasion, the city's history has been unaltered. For instance, the Black Lives Matter movement is referenced in ''Series/LukeCage2016''. Likewise, ''Series/Daredevil2015'' shows that the Fall Experimental Football League[[note]]a failed minor league football franchise intent on being a professional feeder system for the NFL; it lasted from 2014 to 2016[[/note]] still happened, as Karen Page wears a Brooklyn Bolts T-shirt in one scene in season 1. The biggest difference is that the RealLife Hell's Kitchen has escaped it's crime and poverty-stricken past and a crime-fighting vigilante would be rather unnecessary, so the AlienInvasion is mentioned as having wrecked much of that area specifically ([FridgeLogic ([[FridgeLogic even though in the movie none of the fighting was nearby it]]), causing a rise in violent crime and gangsters again so that the story has some reason for being.
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