History Main / InItsHourOfNeed

8th Dec '15 4:27:33 AM AnthonyMercer
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Alfred the Great was not involved in World War II... to my knowledge
** Alfred the Great, instead of leaving his kingdom, ''hid in a swamp'' until he could gather enough force to return and have an AwesomeMomentOfCrowning.

* Many monarchs of the countries overrun by the Nazis during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII did leave their countries and were still remembered fondly for being symbols of resistance. Those who did stay behind have mixed reputations. King Leopold III of Belgium is not remembered too fondly, especially since he did get too friendly with the Germans (and was suspected of downright collaboration), and had to abdicate with the Belgian public bitterly divided over his return. King Christian X of Denmark is fondly remembered, on the other hand, for helping to keep the country together under Nazi occupation.
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* ** Many monarchs of the countries overrun by the Nazis during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII did leave their countries and were still remembered fondly for being symbols of resistance. Those who did stay behind have mixed reputations. King Leopold III of Belgium is not remembered too fondly, especially since he did get too friendly with the Germans (and was suspected of downright collaboration), and had to abdicate with the Belgian public bitterly divided over his return. King Christian X of Denmark is fondly remembered, on the other hand, for helping to keep the country together under Nazi occupation.occupation. * Alfred the Great, instead of leaving his kingdom, ''hid in a swamp'' until he could gather enough force to return and have an AwesomeMomentOfCrowning.
26th Nov '15 8:00:42 PM nombretomado
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* In SandyMitchell's Literature/CiaphasCain [[note]] HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! [[/note]] novel ''Cain's Last Stand'', Cain goes to rescue the governor when Varan's attack is about to overthrow the capital, and persuades him that it is his duty, it will tell the people that he is organizing resistance elsewhere. Alas, the governor is seriously wounded and can not be removed. [[spoiler: Worse, Varan can take over his mind and have him broadcast on his side.]]
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* In SandyMitchell's Creator/SandyMitchell's Literature/CiaphasCain [[note]] HERO OF THE IMPERIUM! [[/note]] novel ''Cain's Last Stand'', Cain goes to rescue the governor when Varan's attack is about to overthrow the capital, and persuades him that it is his duty, it will tell the people that he is organizing resistance elsewhere. Alas, the governor is seriously wounded and can not be removed. [[spoiler: Worse, Varan can take over his mind and have him broadcast on his side.]]
16th Oct '15 7:47:24 PM MyFinalEdits
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* In an episode of ''TheWestWing'', when it looks like there might be a terrorist attack on the White House, President Bartlet rejects the idea of going to the bunker, saying that when he got out he wouldn't be able to give orders to any of the people who weren't in the bunker and he likes doing that. Leo points out that the Secret Service can take him by force, if it comes to that; Bartlet responds that they better bring more than a couple of guys.
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* ''Series/TheWestWing'': ** In an episode of ''TheWestWing'', episode, when it looks like there might be a terrorist attack on the White House, President Bartlet rejects the idea of going to the bunker, saying that when he got out he wouldn't be able to give orders to any of the people who weren't in the bunker and he likes doing that. Leo points out that the Secret Service can take him by force, if it comes to that; Bartlet responds that they better bring more than a couple of guys.


* TruthInTelevision: JosefStalin did not leave Moscow when it was besieged by Nazis. He was right; the city did not fall, but if he ran away, the defenders would be demoralized and the city lost. He even ordered that the annual parade commemorating the Revolution in Red Square take place to give the people hope. ** Creator/GeorgeOrwell, as a consequence, had a scene in ''Literature/AnimalFarm'' where everyone was frightened by an explosion, ducking in fear, and decided to ensure that Napoleon had been there and stood firm because with all his faults, Stalin's courage could not be impugned. ** Some historians have even pegged Stalin's decision to stay as the key turning point of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the moment when any chance of a Nazi triumph ended. Had Moscow fallen, it's much more likely that the rest of the Soviet Union would have followed...and Japan might have seen it as enough of a sign of weakness that the advocates of the western strategy (war against the Soviets) might have won out against the advocates of the ultimately disastrous eastern strategy (war against America). * King George VI was repeatedly urged, during World War II, to leave Britain and seek the relative safety of another part of the British Empire, such as Canada. He refused. Queen Elizabeth was asked why they did not at least send the Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret away, and she replied, "The children cannot go without me, and I will not go without the King, and the King will never leave his country." The royal family's determination to remain throughout the war earned them the lasting affection of their people. ** WinstonChurchill likewise stayed in London during TheBlitz. However, he was very concerned for the safety of King George VI as the king decided to stay in Buckingham Palace, and the best pilots of the Luftwaffe had maps telling them where to bomb it. He was actually very close to invoking his executive powers and having George forcibly taken from Buckingham Palace to the Cabinet War Rooms. *** Churchill had this turned against him later in the war. In the run up to D-Day he was giving [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower Eisenhower]] heartburn by regularly stating that he intended to watch the landings from the fleet. Ike mentioned the problem to King George at a luncheon meeting and the King informed Churchill that he thought this was a magnificent idea and would join him with the fleet-the King had served in the Royal Navy before his coronation, after all. Churchill was appalled at the idea of needlessly putting the King in danger and sulkily backed down. ** Alfred the Great did that one better. Instead of leaving his kingdom he ''hid in a swamp'' until he could gather enough force to return and have an AwesomeMomentOfCrowning.
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* TruthInTelevision: JosefStalin UsefulNotes/JosefStalin did not leave Moscow when it was besieged by Nazis. He was right; the city did not fall, but if he ran away, the defenders would be demoralized and the city lost. He even ordered that the annual parade commemorating the Revolution in Red Square take place to give the people hope. ** hope. Creator/GeorgeOrwell, as a consequence, had a scene in ''Literature/AnimalFarm'' where everyone was frightened by an explosion, ducking in fear, and decided to ensure that Napoleon had been there and stood firm because with all his faults, Stalin's courage could not be impugned. ** impugned.\\ \\ Some historians have even pegged Stalin's decision to stay as the key turning point of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, the moment when any chance of a Nazi triumph ended. Had Moscow fallen, it's much more likely that the rest of the Soviet Union would have followed...and Japan might have seen it as enough of a sign of weakness that the advocates of the western strategy (war against the Soviets) might have won out against the advocates of the ultimately disastrous eastern strategy (war against America). * UsefulNotes/WorldWarII examples: ** King George VI was repeatedly urged, during World War II, the war, to leave Britain and seek the relative safety of another part of the British Empire, such as Canada. He refused. Queen Elizabeth was asked why they did not at least send the Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret away, and she replied, "The children cannot go without me, and I will not go without the King, and the King will never leave his country." The royal family's determination to remain throughout the war earned them the lasting affection of their people. ** WinstonChurchill likewise stayed in London during TheBlitz. However, he was very concerned for the safety of King George VI as the king decided to stay in Buckingham Palace, and the best pilots of the Luftwaffe had maps telling them where to bomb it. He was actually very close to invoking his executive powers and having George forcibly taken from Buckingham Palace to the Cabinet War Rooms. *** Rooms. Churchill had this turned against him later in the war. In the run up to D-Day he was giving [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower Eisenhower]] heartburn by regularly stating that he intended to watch the landings from the fleet. Ike mentioned the problem to King George at a luncheon meeting and the King informed Churchill that he thought this was a magnificent idea and would join him with the fleet-the King had served in the Royal Navy before his coronation, after all. Churchill was appalled at the idea of needlessly putting the King in danger and sulkily backed down. ** Alfred the Great did that one better. Instead Great, instead of leaving his kingdom he kingdom, ''hid in a swamp'' until he could gather enough force to return and have an AwesomeMomentOfCrowning.
16th Oct '15 7:19:28 AM Darksilverhawk
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Tried to clarify description without changing current meaning. Tried to hammer out the grammar into something understandable.
The capital is about to be overwhelmed, the [[RoyalBlood king]] [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething is fighting the battle]], but he ''must'' go to [[LaResistance organize the resistance]] or [[GovernmentInExile abroad to find allies]], and he won't budge. Sometimes even the ReasonableAuthorityFigure puts HonorBeforeReason. Sometimes, persuasion can do it; sometimes, force is needed; sometimes, he dies in the ruins of the castle, making a LastStand, usually with his personal guard. When he leaves, he is often the last one to do so. He may, on the other hand, [[MoreHeroThanThou have his heir sent off, by force if needed]]. Can lead to [[AChildShallLeadThem A Child Shall Lead]] LaResistance and the RightfulKingReturns. Note that you really have to get killed to pull this off. Captivity removes most of the effect, especially if you are used against your own forces.
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The capital is about to be overwhelmed, overwhelmed and the [[RoyalBlood king]] [[RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething leader is fighting in the battle]], but battle. His duty to land, life, or people dictates that he ''must'' go to must [[LaResistance organize the resistance]] or [[GovernmentInExile go abroad to find allies]], and but he won't budge. budge until this battle has been won. Sometimes even the most ReasonableAuthorityFigure puts HonorBeforeReason. Sometimes, persuasion he can do it; sometimes, be convinced to leave. Sometimes, force is needed; sometimes, he dies in the ruins of the castle, making a LastStand, usually with his personal guard. When he leaves, does leave, he is often the last one to do so. He may, on Note that you really have to get killed to pull this one off properly. Captivity ruins a lot of the other hand, effect, especially if you are used against your own forces. He may [[MoreHeroThanThou have his heir sent off, by force if needed]]. Can lead to [[AChildShallLeadThem A Child Shall Lead]] LaResistance and or the RightfulKingReturns. Note that you really have to get killed to pull this off. Captivity removes most of the effect, especially if you are used against your own forces. RightfulKingReturns.
15th Oct '15 6:57:26 PM wrm5
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Circular Link must die.
If the king is supposed to ''return'' InItsHourOfNeed (but is otherwise dead or [[SealedGoodInACan canned]]), that's the KingInTheMountain. If your ''allies'' are supposed to come help your nation in its hour of need, that's GondorCallsForAid.
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If the king is supposed to ''return'' InItsHourOfNeed In Its Hour Of Need (but is otherwise dead or [[SealedGoodInACan canned]]), that's the KingInTheMountain. If your ''allies'' are supposed to come help your nation in its hour of need, that's GondorCallsForAid.
13th Jul '15 11:07:48 PM erforce
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* In LloydAlexander's ''[[PrydainChronicles The High King]]'', Math the High King stays in the attacked city and dies. * In ''WorldWarZ'', Queen Elizabeth II follows her father's example (referenced below) and stays in Windsor Castle "for the duration" of the titular ZombieApocalypse. She also lets any and all citizens into the Royal estates who are willing to help with the defense.
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* In LloydAlexander's Creator/LloydAlexander's ''[[PrydainChronicles The High King]]'', Math the High King stays in the attacked city and dies. * In ''WorldWarZ'', ''Literature/WorldWarZ'', Queen Elizabeth II follows her father's example (referenced below) and stays in Windsor Castle "for the duration" of the titular ZombieApocalypse. She also lets any and all citizens into the Royal estates who are willing to help with the defense.

* Turgon, King of Gondolin in ''TheSilmarillion'', remains in his city as it falls to the forces of Morgoth, while his son-in-law Tuor and daughter Idril lead the remnants of his people to "safety".
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* Turgon, King of Gondolin in ''TheSilmarillion'', ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'', remains in his city as it falls to the forces of Morgoth, while his son-in-law Tuor and daughter Idril lead the remnants of his people to "safety".
12th Jul '15 12:57:44 PM TinMan
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\n* In ''Series/StargateSG1'', President Henry Hayes is advised to flee to the Alpha Site once Anubis starts curb stomping the U.S. military. He decides instead to remain in the White House and give a speech to the world about the invasion. He even remains in the Oval Office instead of going to the bunker beneath the building. Of course, that's merely pragmatism since the Goa'uld ships' weapons are nuclear grade and a few dozen feet of ground wouldn't make much of a difference if one fired on Washington.
8th Jul '15 4:32:43 PM nombretomado
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* In Creator/JohnHemry's TheLostFleet novel ''Invincible'', Geary reflects on how Syndicate Worlds [[OneNationUnderCopyright Planetary CEO]] Gwen Iceni remains on her world when it is threatened with attack, despite ample opportunity to evacuate. Having little to go by to judge her character, he takes it as evidence she's not all bad. [[Literature/TheLostStars The spin-off series]] set during and after Iceni's coup d'etat against the Syndicate Worlds shows he's mostly right.
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* In Creator/JohnHemry's TheLostFleet Literature/TheLostFleet novel ''Invincible'', Geary reflects on how Syndicate Worlds [[OneNationUnderCopyright Planetary CEO]] Gwen Iceni remains on her world when it is threatened with attack, despite ample opportunity to evacuate. Having little to go by to judge her character, he takes it as evidence she's not all bad. [[Literature/TheLostStars The spin-off series]] set during and after Iceni's coup d'etat against the Syndicate Worlds shows he's mostly right.
14th Jun '15 5:39:34 PM nombretomado
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* In JackCampbell's TheLostFleet novel ''Invincible'', Geary reflects on how Syndicate Worlds [[OneNationUnderCopyright Planetary CEO]] Gwen Iceni remains on her world when it is threatened with attack, despite ample opportunity to evacuate. Having little to go by to judge her character, he takes it as evidence she's not all bad. [[Literature/TheLostStars The spin-off series]] set during and after Iceni's coup d'etat against the Syndicate Worlds shows he's mostly right.
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* In JackCampbell's Creator/JohnHemry's TheLostFleet novel ''Invincible'', Geary reflects on how Syndicate Worlds [[OneNationUnderCopyright Planetary CEO]] Gwen Iceni remains on her world when it is threatened with attack, despite ample opportunity to evacuate. Having little to go by to judge her character, he takes it as evidence she's not all bad. [[Literature/TheLostStars The spin-off series]] set during and after Iceni's coup d'etat against the Syndicate Worlds shows he's mostly right.
24th May '15 5:02:31 PM nombretomado
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->--'''[[TheHouseOfWindsor Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother]]''', at the height of the [[TheHomeFront London Blitz]]
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->--'''[[TheHouseOfWindsor ->--'''[[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfWindsor Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother]]''', at the height of the [[TheHomeFront London Blitz]]
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