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24th Jul '16 12:11:44 AM Kadorhal
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* Taken UpToEleven in ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps'' which features several anachronistic faults in regards to firearms shown in the game. The FN FAL in particular - commonly known as the "Right Arm of the Free World" for its use by many Western-aligned nations - is only used, of all people, by ''Vietcong'' and ''Cuban'' soldiers in single player. To the developers' credit, the second example is slightly [[JustifiedTrope justified]], since the specific model of the FAL seen in the game was part of a shipment of about 500 of these firearms, all delivered to the Cuban police. But other parts of the game return to playing this trope straight, since while the Cuban soldiers only appear in the first level of the game it's never explained why ''every other'' Soviet-aligned military present in the game uses the FAL as well (or why half of the Viet Cong soldiers armed with them also have American M203 grenade launchers to attach to them); technically, the FAL was also in service as the [=L1A1=] Self Loading Rifle with Australian soldiers stationed in Vietnam, so the argument ''could'' be made the ones encountered in Vietcong hands are simply captured rifles. It's somewhat harder to justify the highly anachronistic French FAMAS FELIN Russians occasionally use, except the FAMAS was a Russian staple weapon in ''Modern Warfare 2,'' first, so it could again just be a matter of following the leader. Also, both the Soviet special forces seen in the 1968 Kowloon mission and the Vietcong in Huế City use the SPAS-12 shotgun a firearm model from ''Italy'' which was introduced in ''[[AnachronismStew 1982]]''. The turret in the beginning of Vorkuta prison has a mounted American M249 SAW, which was made in 1984. Several campaign levels also feature the KS-23 shotgun, a 23mm riot gun that while at least actually being a Russian model (despite it like the FAL appearing primarily in Cuban and Vietcong hands - even Mason starts with it in a mission or two set in Vietnam) was not designed until 1971 and on top of that wasn't meant for actual combat use. Somewhere, a firearms enthusiast is drinking themselves to death.

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* Taken UpToEleven in ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps'' which features several anachronistic faults in regards to firearms shown in the game. The FN FAL in particular - commonly known as the "Right Arm of the Free World" for its use by many Western-aligned nations - is only used, of all people, by ''Vietcong'' and ''Cuban'' soldiers in single player. To the developers' credit, the second example is slightly [[JustifiedTrope justified]], since the specific model of the FAL seen in the game was part of a shipment of about 500 of these firearms, all delivered to the Cuban police. But other parts of the game return to playing this trope straight, since while the Cuban soldiers only appear in the first level of the game it's never explained why ''every other'' Soviet-aligned military present in the game uses the FAL as well (or why half of the Viet Cong soldiers armed with them also have American M203 grenade launchers to attach to them); technically, the FAL was also in service as the semi-auto [=L1A1=] Self Loading Rifle with Australian soldiers stationed in Vietnam, so the argument ''could'' be made the ones encountered in Vietcong hands are simply captured rifles. It's somewhat harder to justify the highly anachronistic French FAMAS FELIN Russians occasionally use, except the FAMAS was a Russian staple weapon in ''Modern Warfare 2,'' first, so it could again just be a matter of following the leader. Also, both the Soviet special forces seen in the 1968 Kowloon mission and the Vietcong in Huế City use the SPAS-12 shotgun a firearm model from ''Italy'' which was introduced in ''[[AnachronismStew 1982]]''. The turret in the beginning of Vorkuta prison has a mounted American M249 SAW, which was made in 1984. Several campaign levels also feature the KS-23 shotgun, a 23mm riot gun that while at least actually being a Russian model (despite it like the FAL appearing primarily in Cuban and Vietcong hands - even Mason starts with it in a mission or two set in Vietnam) was not designed until 1971 and on top of that wasn't meant for actual combat use. The closest any of these get to an actual justification is the last part of "Crash Site", where the presence of an American China Lake grenade launcher in a downed Soviet cargo plane is briefly {{handwave}}d as "some kind of setup". Somewhere, a firearms enthusiast is drinking themselves to death.



* While all the other guns in the original ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament'' are futuristic enough, the game's sniper rifle is merely a long-barreled, early model M16 with a scope attached to the carry handle, a rather out-of-place ShoutOut to ''Manga/{{Golgo 13}}''. Lampshaded in the official site's timeline of the series, where the in-universe explanation for replacing it with the Lightning Gun in ''[[VideoGame/UnrealTournament2004 UT2003]]'' was that it was "a relic of centuries past".
* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', set in the mid-26th century, still fluffs most of the UNSC's weapons as using cartridges from the 20th century. Apparantly humanity has made no advancements whatsoever in ammunition in 600 years, other than making a caseless weapon (the SMG from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'' and on) that's actually viable in sustained combat. The series also [[BiggerIsBetter tends to favor larger calibers]] than real-world militaries would use for the same purposes no matter how overpowered such a round would be, which already reaches the apex of silliness in [[VideoGame/HaloCombatEvolved the first game]] - the pistol is firing what is essentially [[HandCannon .50 Action Express]], yet ''none'' of your allies seen using it have any issues [[FiringOneHanded one-handing the thing]] without the gun smacking into their faces after every shot. There's also the sniper rifle, which at first glance appears to be a barely-modified Denel NTW-14.5. To be fair, Africa does seem to have become a major world power in ''Halo'' [[spoiler:(at least until the Elites glass the continent to stop the Flood in ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'')]].

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* While all the other guns in the original ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament'' (set around 2293) are futuristic enough, the game's sniper rifle is merely a long-barreled, early model M16 with a scope attached to the carry handle, a rather out-of-place ShoutOut to ''Manga/{{Golgo 13}}''. Lampshaded in the official site's timeline of the series, where the in-universe explanation for replacing it with the Lightning Gun in ''[[VideoGame/UnrealTournament2004 UT2003]]'' was that it was "a relic of centuries past".
* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', set in the mid-26th century, still fluffs most of the UNSC's weapons as using cartridges from the 20th century. Apparantly Apparently humanity has made no advancements whatsoever in ammunition in 600 years, other than making a caseless weapon (the SMG from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'' and on) that's actually viable in sustained combat. The series also [[BiggerIsBetter tends to favor larger calibers]] than real-world militaries would use for the same purposes no matter how overpowered such a round would be, which already reaches the apex of silliness in [[VideoGame/HaloCombatEvolved the first game]] - the pistol is firing what is essentially [[HandCannon .50 Action Express]], yet ''none'' of your allies seen using it have any issues [[FiringOneHanded one-handing the thing]] without the gun smacking into their faces after every shot. There's also the sniper rifle, which at first glance appears to be a barely-modified Denel NTW-14.5. To be fair, Africa does seem to have become a major world power in ''Halo'' [[spoiler:(at least until the Elites glass the continent to stop the Flood in ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'')]].



* The armored vehicle variant shows up in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianDawn'', with its TwentyMinutesInTheFuture setting. Many of the vehicles such as the [[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Light_tank_%28Tiberian_Dawn%29 M2 Bradley]] (here called a "light tank" [[TanksButNoTanks which it isn't]]), the [[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Artillery_%28Tiberian_Dawn%29 M110 Howitzer]], and [[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Apache_%28Tiberian_Dawn%29 AH-64 Apache]] are featured, all more-or-less contemporaneous U.S. equipment. The only problem is that many of them (including the above three) were ''Nod'' units. Sure, the United States hasn't been above supplying -- [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters let's call them "partisans"]] -- in the past, but it doesn't usually ship them current-model military vehicles at the same time as it funds the UN force opposing them. This gets even worse in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRenegade'', where Nod now has the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing-Sikorsky_RAH-66_Comanche RAH-66 Comanche]] stealth helicopter'', a design that was hyped for a number of years but ultimately was not adopted and only had two prototypes.

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* The armored vehicle variant shows up in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberianDawn'', with its TwentyMinutesInTheFuture setting. Many of the vehicles such as the [[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Light_tank_%28Tiberian_Dawn%29 M2 Bradley]] (here called a "light tank" [[TanksButNoTanks which it isn't]]), the [[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Artillery_%28Tiberian_Dawn%29 M110 Howitzer]], and [[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Apache_%28Tiberian_Dawn%29 AH-64 Apache]] are featured, all more-or-less contemporaneous U.S. equipment. The only problem is that many of them (including the above three) were ''Nod'' units. Sure, the United States hasn't been above supplying -- [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters let's call them "partisans"]] -- in the past, but it doesn't usually ship them current-model military vehicles at the same time as it funds the UN force opposing them. This gets even worse in ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRenegade'', where Nod now has the ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing-Sikorsky_RAH-66_Comanche RAH-66 Comanche]] stealth helicopter'', a design that was hyped for a number of years but ultimately was not adopted and [[RareVehicles only had two prototypes.prototypes]]. On the other hand, intentionally or not it could be a demonstration of how technology ended up going in different ways thanks to the arrival of Tiberium - cutscenes, for instance, indicate that the YF-23, another aircraft that only had two prototypes in reality, is GDI's standard jet fighter before they introduce the completely fictional Orca.
23rd Jul '16 8:47:09 AM dlchen145
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While guns are a fairly mature technology with most new designs being more ergonomic than mechanically different (which seems to boil down to more plastic, short stroke gas piston (which actually seems to make weapons more difficult to handle on account of a jumpier recoil action occuring far forwards), and ripping off the AR-15 controls and lower receiver rather than any actual innovations), some shows will push this and it gets unrealistic when a gun is still in use in an entirely different universe, 1,000,000,000 years from now, or 100 years before it was designed.

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While guns are a fairly mature technology with most new designs being more ergonomic than mechanically different (which seems to boil down to more plastic, short stroke gas piston (which actually seems to make weapons more difficult to handle on account of a jumpier recoil action occuring far forwards), piston, and ripping off the AR-15 controls and lower receiver rather different ergonomics than any actual innovations), some shows will push this and it gets unrealistic when a gun is still in use in an entirely different universe, 1,000,000,000 years from now, or 100 years before it was designed.
7th Jun '16 8:40:14 AM Doug86
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*** Two fun facts on the ammo score; first, the Russian [=SMGs=] that used 7.62x25mm Tokarev easily fit into the German logistics train because it was an enhanced version of the 7.63x25mm Mauser round, which the Germans had lots of. And second, the reasons the British Sten Gun was chambered for 9mm Parabellum, the German issue round, were first of all that no comparable self-loading pistol round was made in England ([=SMGs=] don't work too well with rimmed revolver cartridges), and second, when the Italian forces in North Africa surrendered to the British 8th Army in 1941 (before the Afrika Korps arrived), part of the booty was several million rounds of Italian-made 9mm Para ammunition, their Beretta [=SMGs=] also used it (this one actually backfired, sometimes horribly: the Italian rounds came either in an underpowered variant for older WorldWarI models or an overpowered one for the Beretta Mod. 38: if used on more modern guns, the underpowered rounds would fail to cycle and cause a jam, and the overpowered ones could only be used with the Mod. [=38s=] or they'd literally blow up the gun).

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*** Two fun facts on the ammo score; first, the Russian [=SMGs=] that used 7.62x25mm Tokarev easily fit into the German logistics train because it was an enhanced version of the 7.63x25mm Mauser round, which the Germans had lots of. And second, the reasons the British Sten Gun was chambered for 9mm Parabellum, the German issue round, were first of all that no comparable self-loading pistol round was made in England ([=SMGs=] don't work too well with rimmed revolver cartridges), and second, when the Italian forces in North Africa surrendered to the British 8th Army in 1941 (before the Afrika Korps arrived), part of the booty was several million rounds of Italian-made 9mm Para ammunition, their Beretta [=SMGs=] also used it (this one actually backfired, sometimes horribly: the Italian rounds came either in an underpowered variant for older WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI models or an overpowered one for the Beretta Mod. 38: if used on more modern guns, the underpowered rounds would fail to cycle and cause a jam, and the overpowered ones could only be used with the Mod. [=38s=] or they'd literally blow up the gun).



** Until the end of WorldWarII, Italian weapons found their way in some unlikely hands ([[JustifiedTrope always for a good reason]]):

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** Until the end of WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Italian weapons found their way in some unlikely hands ([[JustifiedTrope always for a good reason]]):



*** Variants of the Carcano Mod. 91 rifle were used by Ethiopia (that actually aquired it ''before the Italian Army itself'': [[MagnificentBastard emperor Menelik]], aiming to shake the Italian protectorate, used the credits Italy had given him to buy it. As he was successful, he never paid for it), Bulgaria, Finland (Italy had tried to switch to a more powerful rifle round but had to abort due the early start of WorldWarII, so they shipped there all the new rounds they had manufactured and a number of rifles to help in the Winter War, where, after a trial period on the frontline, was issued to rear-guard troops and the Navy due the logistical issues of keeping the troops supplied and other issues), and even ''Japan'' (after the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar invasion of China]], all Arisaka production was required to supply the Army, so the Navy, that needed rifles too, contacted Italy under the terms of the Anti-Comintern Pact, and was supplied with 120,000 Carcano rifles modified to use a box magazine and the standard Japanese round). Captured guns would be used by various states who found themselves with them... With an American-captured one being sold via mail order and used for [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy a rather infamous assassination]].

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*** Variants of the Carcano Mod. 91 rifle were used by Ethiopia (that actually aquired it ''before the Italian Army itself'': [[MagnificentBastard emperor Menelik]], aiming to shake the Italian protectorate, used the credits Italy had given him to buy it. As he was successful, he never paid for it), Bulgaria, Finland (Italy had tried to switch to a more powerful rifle round but had to abort due the early start of WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, so they shipped there all the new rounds they had manufactured and a number of rifles to help in the Winter War, where, after a trial period on the frontline, was issued to rear-guard troops and the Navy due the logistical issues of keeping the troops supplied and other issues), and even ''Japan'' (after the [[UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar invasion of China]], all Arisaka production was required to supply the Army, so the Navy, that needed rifles too, contacted Italy under the terms of the Anti-Comintern Pact, and was supplied with 120,000 Carcano rifles modified to use a box magazine and the standard Japanese round). Captured guns would be used by various states who found themselves with them... With an American-captured one being sold via mail order and used for [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy a rather infamous assassination]].
26th May '16 1:56:44 AM LondonKdS
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** The episode "Cold War" has a Soviet submarine's crew using Browning Hi-Power pistols, which are most definitely not Russian and look nothing like the actual Soviet service pistol of the time, the Makarov PM.

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** The episode "Cold War" has a 1980s Soviet submarine's crew using Browning Hi-Power pistols, which are most definitely not Russian and look nothing like the actual Soviet service pistol of the time, the Makarov PM.
11th May '16 8:34:45 AM JackG
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* The Steyr AUG seems to be the standard rifle aboard ''Series/RedDwarf''. Given that most of the ship's crew members are American and British, it is rather odd seeing them using a type of bullpup rifle which their nations had so far never adopted en masse.

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* The Steyr AUG seems to be the standard rifle aboard ''Series/RedDwarf''. Given that most of the ship's crew members are American and British, it is rather odd seeing them using a type of bullpup rifle which their nations had so far never adopted en masse. Presumably this is because of their futuristic look and because they'd be unfamiliar to British and American audiences.
11th May '16 8:30:56 AM JackG
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* Due to their unique appearance, especially their helical feed magazine which can take up to 100 rounds, Calico firearms have appeared in several sci-fi shows including ''Film/IComeInPeace'' (aka ''Dark Angel''), the parody ''Film/{{Spaceballs}}'' and the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "Time and Again".



** Hicks carries as a backup an Ithaca 'Stakeout' shotgun, and the Marines' sidearm, the VP 70, is a real, unaltered weapon. The ''Sulaco's'' weapon racks are also filled with unaltered modern weapons; M16s, Colt Commando rifles, and Enfield L85s. Vasquez also uses a Smith & Wesson Model 39 pistol at one point.

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** Hicks carries as a backup an Ithaca 'Stakeout' shotgun, and the Marines' sidearm, the VP 70, is a real, unaltered weapon.weapon with a 'futuristic' look. The ''Sulaco's'' weapon racks are also filled with unaltered modern weapons; M16s, Colt Commando rifles, and Enfield L85s. Vasquez also uses a Smith & Wesson Model 39 pistol at one point.



* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' once featured the smallest of the Calico SMG variants as ''pistols'' (guess the 50-round magazine was just convenient).
** There is a pistol version of the Calico actually: the 9mm M950 which can take a 50 or a 100 magazine. Due to their unique appearance Calico firearms have appeared in several sci-fi movies, including ''Film/IComeInPeace'' (aka ''Dark Angel'') and the parody ''Film/{{Spaceballs}}''.
** The terrorists in that particular Voyager episode ("Time and Again") also used the Detonics Pocket 9. At least the producers went to the trouble of selecting weapons that looked different from regular firearms and are obscure enough that people who aren't gun enthusiasts wouldn't recognize them.
** In "Nemesis" the Vori Defenders use bullpup assault rifles including the British [=SA80=], while Kradin soldiers use a Kalashnikov model that's been modified with plastic coverings. This is meant to invoke the gung-ho action movies of TheNineties, as propaganda is a major theme of the episode.

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* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' once featured ''Series/StarTrekVoyager''
** In "Time and Again",
the smallest of the Calico SMG variants as ''pistols'' (guess the 50-round magazine was just convenient).
** There is a pistol version of the Calico actually: the 9mm M950 which can take a 50 or a 100 magazine. Due to their unique appearance Calico firearms have appeared in several sci-fi movies, including ''Film/IComeInPeace'' (aka ''Dark Angel'') and the parody ''Film/{{Spaceballs}}''.
** The
terrorists in that particular Voyager episode ("Time use Calico pistols and Again") also used the Detonics Pocket 9. At least the producers went to the trouble of selecting weapons that looked different from regular firearms and are obscure enough that people who aren't gun enthusiasts wouldn't recognize them.
** In "Nemesis" "Nemesis", the Vori Defenders use bullpup assault rifles including the British [=SA80=], while Kradin soldiers use a Kalashnikov model that's been modified with plastic coverings. This is meant to invoke the gung-ho action movies of TheNineties, as propaganda is a major theme of the episode.
11th May '16 8:21:33 AM JackG
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** In "Nemesis" the Vori Defenders use bullpup assault rifles including the British [=SA80=], while Kradin soldiers use a Kalashnikov model that's been modified with plastic coverings. This is meant to invoke the gung-ho action movies of TheNineties, as propaganda is a major theme of the episode.
10th May '16 8:38:43 AM DCamp20
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* Most of the guns used by the USDF in Alien Outpost are dressed up South African Galil copies, which is all well and good. What's odd is one soldier using [=XM117=], a weapon that went out of production in the 70s, and the German soldier pulling out a Luger P08 (the ones they used in WW2).

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* Most of the guns used by the USDF in Alien Outpost are dressed up South African Galil copies, which is all well and good. What's odd is one soldier using [=XM117=], and [=XM177=], a weapon that went out of production in the 70s, and the German soldier pulling out a Luger P08 (the ones they used in WW2).
25th Apr '16 2:22:53 PM Kadorhal
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* The ECOAS spec ops troops in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'' use FN P90s, despite the series taking place at least a century or two into the future. Earlier in the timeline (such as in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]''), Federation troops are often shown using rifles that are very nearly carbon copies of the Enfield [=SA80=], while Zeon troops are described (but not shown) as using old AK-47s.

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* The ECOAS spec ops troops in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn'' use FN P90s, despite the series taking place at least a century or two into the future. Earlier in the timeline (such as in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]''), Federation troops are often shown using rifles that are very nearly carbon copies of the Enfield [=SA80=], while Zeon troops are described (but not shown) as using old AK-47s. The [[HumongousMecha mobile suits']] non-beam-firing weapons are also often based off of real-world weapons, such as the updated Zaku machine gun from ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Gundam 0083]]'' being a dressed-up AR-15.
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