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6th Sep '17 9:04:38 PM Kalmbach
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* Shakespeare stated something along these lines in ''AsYouLikeIt'', giving the line to [[TheFool Touchstone]].
--> The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
6th Sep '17 6:29:33 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* In ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'', before Aizen, Gin, and Tosen arrived and usurped his throne, Baraggan believed that he had already conquered everything, and was incredulous when Aizen told him there are other worlds besides Hueco Mundo.
** Baraggan actually knew that the other worlds existed (after all, all Hollows and Arrancar seem to have some knowledge of the world they essentially invade for human souls) but was trying to say that actually conquering those worlds wasn't worth the trouble. The notion that someone in one of those worlds could be ''more powerful than him'' never even crossed Baraggan's mind.

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* In ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'', before Aizen, Gin, and Tosen arrived and usurped his throne, Baraggan believed that he had already permanently conquered everything, and was incredulous when Aizen told him there are Hueco Mundo; no other worlds besides Hueco Mundo.
** Baraggan actually knew that the other worlds existed (after all, all Hollows and Arrancar seem to have some knowledge of the world they essentially invade for human souls) but
place was trying to say that actually conquering those worlds wasn't worth the trouble. The notion that someone in trouble and no one of those worlds could be ''more powerful was stronger than him'' never even crossed Baraggan's mind.him. Then, suddenly, he moves down in the world.



* In the ''Fanfic/TriptychContinuum'', this is the recurring problem faced by the Cutie Mark Crusaders. Driven to acquire their Cutie Marks, they insist on following what they feel is a sure-fire way of getting their marks, but in actuality is pretty much closing them off from the ''actual'' method of doing so. What's worse is that other ponies have tried to call them on their mistake, but the Crusaders ignore such attempts.

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* In the ''Fanfic/TriptychContinuum'', this is the recurring problem faced by the Cutie Mark Crusaders. Driven to acquire their Cutie Marks, they insist on following what they feel is a sure-fire way of getting their marks, but in actuality is pretty much closing them off from the ''actual'' method of doing so. What's worse is that other ponies have tried to call them on their mistake, but the Crusaders ignore such attempts.
3rd Sep '17 3:33:44 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* {{Invoked}} by Donald Rumsfeld in his (in?)famous statement about "unknown unknowns", worded in a technically correct but dizzyingly confusing way. Not to mention the fact that there is another category much closer to this trope, that of unknown knowns, the things that it is possible to know but that the individual has not taken the time to learn or is incapable of understanding or something that is known but not taken into account.

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* {{Invoked}} by Donald Rumsfeld in his (in?)famous statement about "unknown unknowns", worded in a technically correct but dizzyingly confusing way.way[[note]]At the time it was widely mocked as nonsense, not because it was wrong but because he brought it out as an answer when a reporter asked if he had any evidence for his claims as a non-sequitur[[/note]]. Not to mention the fact that there is another category much closer to this trope, that of unknown knowns, the things that it is possible to know but that the individual has not taken the time to learn or is incapable of understanding or something that is known but not taken into account.
24th Aug '17 11:21:23 AM ElectroKraken
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As Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} can tell you, in RealLife Psychology it has two names: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority illusory superiority]] being the broader concept, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect Dunning-Kruger effect]] being its effect on the individual's thoughts.

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As Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} can tell you, in RealLife Psychology it has two names: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority illusory superiority]] being the broader concept, and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect Dunning-Kruger effect]] being its effect on the individual's thoughts.
17th Aug '17 11:04:56 AM Luigifan
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Characters who are merely Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance are very different from characters such as a SmallNameBigEgo or a HeteronormativeCrusader. While the SmallNameBigEgo is narcissistically full of themselves and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, they might still be a villain- often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[EvilCannotComprehendGood incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[ThePowerOfFriendship powers]]. Compare OutsideContextProblem, who [[FlawExploitation exploits]] ignorance of even their ''potential'' existence.

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Characters who are merely Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance are very different from characters such as a SmallNameBigEgo or a HeteronormativeCrusader. While the SmallNameBigEgo is narcissistically full of themselves and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, they might still be a villain- villain -- often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[EvilCannotComprehendGood incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[ThePowerOfFriendship powers]]. Compare OutsideContextProblem, who [[FlawExploitation exploits]] ignorance of even their ''potential'' existence.
9th Aug '17 1:27:47 PM StarTropes
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* One idiot criminal on ''Series/WorldsDumbest'' filmed himself committing a series of crimes, including multiple thefts and chopping drugs with his probation officer's business card. After getting arrested, he said, "I'm not dumb. I'm really smart." Yeah, keep telling yourself that...
5th Apr '17 7:57:08 PM Doug86
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* In ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', the EnergyBeing called UsefulNotes/LeonardoDaVinci believes himself to be a great scientist and inventor, when the reality is that he's merely a ignorant victim of cruel computer programming.

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* In ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', the EnergyBeing called UsefulNotes/LeonardoDaVinci Creator/LeonardoDaVinci believes himself to be a great scientist and inventor, when the reality is that he's merely a ignorant victim of cruel computer programming.
15th Mar '17 10:21:48 AM MarkLungo
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20th Feb '17 10:17:44 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The Tau are in many ways the early Imperium's modern-day successors when it comes to this. Due to their lack of warp connection, they have no understanding of how much of a ScienceFantasy setting ''Warhammer 40,000'' actually is, meaning that for any weird phenomena the Tau will have an explanation that is scientific, logical, and wrong.

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** The Tau are in many ways the early Imperium's modern-day successors when it comes to this. Due to their lack of warp connection, they have no understanding of how much of a ScienceFantasy setting ''Warhammer 40,000'' actually is, meaning that for any weird phenomena the Tau will have an explanation that is scientific, logical, and wrong. Luckily for them the lack of warp connection helps with this; it makes them resistant to the more subtle corrupting effects, so to them Daemons are just yet another hostile alien race.
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