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25th Apr '16 5:29:48 PM davelerner
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* In ''Literature/BabeRuthManTankGladiator'' Throckle No'Goor doesn't realize how little he actually knows about the 21st century.
15th Apr '16 3:39:14 PM Jhonny
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* {{Invoked}} by Donald Rumsfeld in his (in?)famous statement about "unknown unknowns", worded in a technically correct but dizzyingly confusing way. Not to mention the fact that there is another category much closer to this trope, that of unknown knowns, the things that it is possible to know but that the individual has not taken the time to learn or is incapable of understanding.

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* {{Invoked}} by Donald Rumsfeld in his (in?)famous statement about "unknown unknowns", worded in a technically correct but dizzyingly confusing way. Not to mention the fact that there is another category much closer to this trope, that of unknown knowns, the things that it is possible to know but that the individual has not taken the time to learn or is incapable of understanding.understanding or something that is known but not taken into account.
13th Jan '16 2:49:05 PM CrystalGlacia
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Characters who are merely Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance are very different from characters such as a SmallNameBigEgo or a HeteronormativeCrusader. While the SmallNameBigEgo is narcissistically full of themselves and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, they might still be a villain often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[EvilCannotComprehendGood incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[ThePowerOfFriendship powers]]. Compare OutsideContextVillain, who [[FlawExploitation exploits]] ignorance of even their ''potential'' existence.

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Characters who are merely Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance are very different from characters such as a SmallNameBigEgo or a HeteronormativeCrusader. While the SmallNameBigEgo is narcissistically full of themselves and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, they might still be a villain villain- often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[EvilCannotComprehendGood incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[ThePowerOfFriendship powers]]. Compare OutsideContextVillain, who [[FlawExploitation exploits]] ignorance of even their ''potential'' existence.
13th Jan '16 2:48:29 PM CrystalGlacia
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This character is too ignorant to realize that he is ignorant. He has so little power and knowledge that he has nothing to compare with, and thus grossly overestimate his own power, knowledge and importance. Likely to live in a SmallSecludedWorld or be saturated in ParanoiaFuel... or both.

A character who is characterized this way is sometimes refered to as a "King of Pointland", after an old example of this trope. Pointland in the novel ''Literature/{{Flatland}}'' is not a kingdom at all, it is just a [[SmallSecludedWorld dimensionless spot of nothingness]]. Its only inhabitant is "king" by default since he is totally alone. He has no width, no height, no depth (neither literally nor metaphorically), no power or knowledge, and since he has nothing to compare with himself, he believes himself to be omnipotent.

Children and animals are normally excused from this trope. They can be included in special cases when their "ignorance of ignorance" is highlighted rather than simply a part of who they are or when they have powers way beyond their maturity, so that their lack of understanding becomes a problem.

Characters who are merely Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance are very different from characters such as a SmallNameBigEgo or a HeteronormativeCrusader. While the SmallNameBigEgo is narcissistically full of himself and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, he might still be a villain often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[EvilCannotComprehendGood incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[ThePowerOfFriendship powers]]. Compare OutsideContextVillain, who [[FlawExploitation exploits]] ignorance of even his ''potential'' existence.

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This character is too ignorant to realize that he is they're ignorant. He has They possess so little power and knowledge that he has they have nothing to compare with, themselves to, and thus grossly overestimate his their own power, knowledge knowledge, and importance. Likely to live in a SmallSecludedWorld or be saturated in ParanoiaFuel... or both.

A character who is characterized this way is sometimes refered to as a "King of Pointland", after an old example of this trope. Pointland in the novel ''Literature/{{Flatland}}'' is not a kingdom at all, it is it's just a [[SmallSecludedWorld dimensionless spot of nothingness]]. Its only inhabitant is "king" by default since he is totally alone. He has no width, no height, no depth (neither literally nor metaphorically), no power or knowledge, and since he has nothing to compare with himself, himself to, he believes himself to be omnipotent.

Children and animals are normally excused from this trope. They can be included in special cases when their "ignorance of ignorance" is highlighted rather than simply a part of who they are are, or when they have powers way beyond their maturity, so such that their lack of understanding becomes a problem.

Characters who are merely Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance are very different from characters such as a SmallNameBigEgo or a HeteronormativeCrusader. While the SmallNameBigEgo is narcissistically full of himself themselves and a Heteronormative Crusader is self-righteously narrow-minded, an Ignorant character is merely naive and doesn't know any better. While ultimately innocent, he they might still be a villain often one who is tricked by smarter villains, and thus relatively easy for the heroes to turn against their master by using their [[EvilCannotComprehendGood incomprehensible]] yet efficient [[ThePowerOfFriendship powers]]. Compare OutsideContextVillain, who [[FlawExploitation exploits]] ignorance of even his their ''potential'' existence.
1st Jan '16 1:17:34 AM fdsa1234567890
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* {{Invoked}} by Donald Rumsfeld in his (in?)famous statement about "unknown unknowns", worded in a technically correct but dizzyingly confusing way.

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* {{Invoked}} by Donald Rumsfeld in his (in?)famous statement about "unknown unknowns", worded in a technically correct but dizzyingly confusing way. Not to mention the fact that there is another category much closer to this trope, that of unknown knowns, the things that it is possible to know but that the individual has not taken the time to learn or is incapable of understanding.
24th Dec '15 8:23:54 AM case
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See also KnowNothingKnowItAll.

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The inverse is IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat. See also KnowNothingKnowItAll.
16th Oct '15 3:39:40 AM Malco
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** Cirno only claims to be the strongest fairy in Gensokyo. While this is technically true, most fairies are CannonFodder that the player character defeats by the truckload, so this isn't saying much.

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** Cirno only claims to be the strongest fairy in Gensokyo. While this is [[OverlyNarrowSuperlative technically true, true]], most fairies are CannonFodder that the player character defeats by the truckload, so this isn't saying much.
1st Oct '15 9:07:18 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* Emperor Tod in ''Film/MomAndDadSaveTheWorld''

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* Emperor Tod in ''Film/MomAndDadSaveTheWorld''''Film/MomAndDadSaveTheWorld'', although he's still one of the smartest people on his planet.
26th Sep '15 10:00:49 PM Discar
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* ''Series/PersonOfInterest'':
** In season 3, Northern Lights (the organization that used to be in charge of the Machine) captures Root, demanding she explain how she controls it. The answer is simple: [[MachineWorship She doesn't]].
--->'''Control''': ''[incredulous]'' You view the Machine as your superior?\\
'''Root''': No, much more. My power, my reason for existing, my friend. The Machine looks out for me.
** The best part is when they demand her username and password; the Machine has never needed anything like that, even when it was being beta tested and accepting direct commands from its creator.
17th Sep '15 7:43:24 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The general belief among the opponents of the creationist movement is that both men are faking it, and actually pulling an "IRejectYourReality" (to be generous) or outright con of their genuinely ignorant followers (to be less so). They use far to many [[QuoteMine out of context references]] from actual scientific sources to be as ignorant of the topic as they act.

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** The general belief among the opponents of the creationist movement is that both men are faking it, and actually pulling an "IRejectYourReality" (to be generous) or an outright con of their genuinely ignorant followers (to be less so). They use far to many [[QuoteMine out of context references]] from actual scientific sources to be as ignorant of the topic as they act.
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