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15th Mar '18 7:32:28 PM Abodos
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* Played surprisingly straight in ''Series/ThirtyRock''. Religion plays a negligible role in most characters' lives, except when PlayedForLaughs, i.e. when Liz Lemon states that her religious beliefs are "pretty much whatever Oprah tells me to do." However, Kenneth, the one (non-GirlOfTheWeek) character who is devoutly religious, is also strongly hinted at as being [[TheAgeless immortal]].

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* Played surprisingly straight in ''Series/ThirtyRock''. Religion plays a negligible role in most characters' lives, except when PlayedForLaughs, i.e. when Liz Lemon states that her religious beliefs are "pretty much whatever Oprah [[Creator/OprahWinfrey Oprah]] tells me to do." However, Kenneth, the one (non-GirlOfTheWeek) character who is devoutly religious, is also strongly hinted at as being [[TheAgeless immortal]].
14th Jan '18 2:11:17 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Played with in ''TheLostCrown: A Ghosthunting Adventure'', where Nigel is frustrated by Lucy's (wrong, but reasonable from what she's seen) insistence that the spooky things in Saxton Museum aren't necessarily proof of ghosts, just ''something'' strange. Nigel's own credibility later reveals its limits when Hardacre implies that he believes myths of ''dragons'' had a factual basis, an idea which even Nigel poo-poos as silly.

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* Played with in ''TheLostCrown: ''VideoGame/TheLostCrown: A Ghosthunting Adventure'', where Nigel is frustrated by Lucy's (wrong, but reasonable from what she's seen) insistence that the spooky things in Saxton Museum aren't necessarily proof of ghosts, just ''something'' strange. Nigel's own credibility later reveals its limits when Hardacre implies that he believes myths of ''dragons'' had a factual basis, an idea which even Nigel poo-poos as silly.
10th Jan '18 10:41:44 PM Kartoonkid95
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* ''WesternAnimation/MikeLuAndOg'': In "A Learning Experience", Mike asks who the Cuzzlewitz are, and Lu scoffs "Next, you'll be asking about the Easter Bunny." Of course, she ''does'' know they're real, [[IrrationalHatred but she really wishes she didn't]].
16th Oct '17 12:42:57 PM TomServo3000
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Related tropes include AllMythsAreTrue, and ArbitrarySkepticism. If the WriterOnBoard is in the "Believers" camp, a StrawVulcan or HollywoodAtheist is likely to appear; if in the "Skeptic" camp, expect at least one, and probably more, examples of HolierThanThou and BeliefMakesYouStupid.

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Related tropes include AllMythsAreTrue, AllMythsAreTrue and ArbitrarySkepticism. If the WriterOnBoard is in the "Believers" camp, a StrawVulcan or HollywoodAtheist is likely to appear; if in the "Skeptic" camp, expect at least one, and probably more, examples of HolierThanThou and BeliefMakesYouStupid.
16th Oct '17 12:42:26 PM TomServo3000
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* A recent favorite of the Italian Website/YouTube community is Matteo Montesi, an ardent Christian believer who also, in his ''[[ArchiveBinge hundreds]]'' of videos, talks about [[ConspiracyTheorist conspiracies]], aliens, ghosts, TheReptilians, and many other pseudo-scientific theories, and seems to believe in them all equally. For example, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqsgOpuzE-4 here]] he talks (Italian only) about the supposed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision Nibiru Collision of 2012]], getting angered when faced with the possibility that nobody believes what he's saying.

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* A recent favorite of the Italian Website/YouTube community is Matteo Montesi, an ardent Christian believer who also, in his ''[[ArchiveBinge ''[[ArchivePanic hundreds]]'' of videos, talks about [[ConspiracyTheorist conspiracies]], aliens, ghosts, TheReptilians, and many other pseudo-scientific theories, and seems to believe in them all equally. For example, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqsgOpuzE-4 here]] he talks (Italian only) about the supposed [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision Nibiru Collision of 2012]], getting angered when faced with the possibility that nobody believes what he's saying.
16th Oct '17 12:41:39 PM TomServo3000
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* {{Subverted|Trope}} on ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark.'' Although [[AdultsAreUseless the town's adults]] are often shown as foolishly believing in anything, religious or otherwise, Stan, Kyle and Kenny all seem at least nominally religious yet can be rational about other supposedly-supernatural phenomena, such as psychics (which seem to be [[ArbitrarySkepticism the only such thing]] that's definitively fake). Jesus has his own talk show, and there is an alien present in every single episode (either overtly or disguised). Also, the episode with fake psychics ends when Kyle's outburst causes light bulbs to explode.
7th Oct '17 9:28:27 PM Godzilla659
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** However, given the events of her most recent work, Prince Lestat and the Realms of Atlantis...yea extraterrestrial beings are definitely a possibility.
3rd Sep '17 9:19:57 AM benda
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** All of the above is probably a case of WriterOnBoard, since Creator/JossWhedon is a known agnostic.
25th Aug '17 2:16:39 PM CharlesPhipps
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*** Actually subverted according to WordOfGod by Ray who was apparently once very religious according to Dan Akroyd but became a parapsycologist because of his lost faith (if not Jesus then Aliens if you will). It adds deeper meaning to both his statement he never met God (despite desperately wanting to) and his low-key freakout to Winston pointing out this may be God at work.
25th Aug '17 4:39:06 AM jobobblinkerstein
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The existence of characters of this type is sometimes caused by a WriterOnBoard, but more often is the simple result of taking complex, complicated real people with diverse belief sets and trimming them down into stereotypes so they can be pitted against each other in a "Faith versus Science Showdown" which might be resolved by a [[GoldenMeanFallacy Golden Mean Aesop]]. This usually just comes off as an insult to everyone involved. It's false equivalence, and further ignores the fact that from a skeptical point of view, the existence of one supernatural thing provides no reason to believe in another unrelated supernatural thing, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that many religions frown heavily on their followers believing in events defined as non-natural by that religion's chosen godforce. It's also ironically wrong for a different reason; people without religious beliefs are ''more likely'', statistically, to believe in aliens. So a closer-to-truthful trope name would be ''If Aliens, No Jesus'' or, perhaps more fittingly, ''If Jesus, No Aliens''. That is to say, beliefs of these sorts tend to cluster, with Scully types believing in Jesus, angels, miracles, faith healing, etc. while Mulder types believe in bigfoot, [=UFOs=], psychics, and acupuncture, and there's very little overlap.

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The existence of characters of this type is sometimes caused by a WriterOnBoard, but more often is the simple result of taking complex, complicated real people with diverse belief sets and trimming them down into stereotypes so they can be pitted against each other in a "Faith versus Science Showdown" which might be resolved by a [[GoldenMeanFallacy Golden Mean Aesop]]. This usually just comes off as an insult to everyone involved. It's false equivalence, and further ignores the fact that from a skeptical point of view, the existence of one supernatural thing provides no reason to believe in another unrelated supernatural thing, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that many religions frown heavily on their followers believing in events defined as non-natural "non-natural" by that religion's chosen godforce. It's also ironically wrong for a different reason; people without religious beliefs are ''more likely'', statistically, to believe aliens exist in aliens. the universe, also ironically because of statistics that indicated that the universe has near infinite chances of other intelligent lifeforms existing. So a closer-to-truthful trope trope, if taking this example to the extreme, name would might be ''If Aliens, No Jesus'' or, perhaps more fittingly, ''If Jesus, No Aliens''. That is to say, beliefs of these sorts tend to cluster, with Scully types believing in Jesus, angels, miracles, faith healing, etc. while Mulder types believe in bigfoot, [=UFOs=], psychics, and acupuncture, and there's very little overlap.
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