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11th Apr '16 8:07:04 AM sorako
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* ''Transformers'': Optimus Prime.

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* ''Transformers'': ''Film/{{Transformers}}'': Optimus Prime.
10th Apr '16 11:47:18 PM babyhenchy1
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' deconstructs this. The Starks and Daenerys Targaryen follow a moral code modern readers find commendable, but it also hampers their common sense and makes them very judgmental to those who can't be to moral.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' deconstructs this. The Starks and Daenerys Targaryen follow a moral code modern readers find commendable, but it also hampers their common sense and makes them very judgmental to those who can't be to moral. At the same time, particularly in the case of the [[HundredPercentAdorationRating Starks]], [[UndyingLoyalty it gains them followers whose loyalties are absolute]], as [[spoiler:The Boltons]] are finding out.
9th Apr '16 9:42:39 PM Khrunwahl02
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* ''Transformers'': Optimus Prime.



* ''Transformers'': Optimus Prime.



* The United States military in multiple American movies about giant monster attacks or alien invasions, such as Cloverfield, Battle: Los Angeles, War of the Worlds.
9th Apr '16 9:41:42 PM Khrunwahl02
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* ''Transformers'': Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Jazz and Ratchet.

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* ''Transformers'': Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Jazz and Ratchet. Prime.


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* The United States military in multiple American movies about giant monster attacks or alien invasions, such as Cloverfield, Battle: Los Angeles, War of the Worlds.
9th Apr '16 9:39:06 PM Khrunwahl02
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* ''Transformers'': Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Jazz and Ratchet.
8th Apr '16 4:30:08 AM ading
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Luke Skywalker [[HeroicArchetype was designed to be one]]. Contrast him to [[AntiHero Han Solo]], and ''especially'' to [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil his own father]].
** While Luke wanted to save Leia out of sympathy, Han only did so because Luke promised that Leia is a rich princess who would reward Han.
* ''Wreck-It Ralph'': Fix-It Felix Jr. is the ideal hero. The film Wreck-It Ralph itself satirizes the cliché, tedious personality of the ideal hero.
* ''Godzilla'': Mothra is an ideal hero, as she represents compassion and respect for humanity's right to live. This can mainly be interpreted by the fact that she is mainly guided by the Shobijin, two twin fairies who sympathize and often befriend numerous humans.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Luke Skywalker [[HeroicArchetype was designed to be one]]. Contrast him to [[AntiHero Han Solo]], and ''especially'' to [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil his own father]]. \n** While Luke wanted to save Leia out of sympathy, Han only did so because Luke promised that Leia is a rich princess who would reward Han.
* ''Wreck-It Ralph'': ''WesternAnimation/WreckItRalph'': Fix-It Felix Jr. is the ideal hero. The film Wreck-It Ralph itself satirizes the cliché, tedious personality of the ideal hero.
* ''Godzilla'': ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'': Mothra is an ideal hero, as she represents compassion and respect for humanity's right to live. This can mainly be interpreted by the fact that she is mainly guided by the Shobijin, two twin fairies who sympathize and often befriend numerous humans.



* ''Literature/TheOdyssey'' features Odysseus, who may well be the TropeMaker, making it OlderThanDirt. However, in ''Literature/TheIliad'' he's not so admirable. And in ancient times Odysseus had detractors, who thought that an Ideal Hero shouldn't rely so much on [[GuileHero guile]].
** Actually, it's pretty debatable if he's this trope, but he ''is'' the TropeMaker. Why? Well, Greeks had different ideals than this website and the current world, so while Odysseus is the perfect Greek Hero, to us modern readers he can really seem like a sneaky, selfish JerkWithAHeartOfGold as opposed to this. It's just ValuesDissonance, really.

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* ''Literature/TheOdyssey'' features Odysseus, who may well be the TropeMaker, making it OlderThanDirt. However, in ''Literature/TheIliad'' he's not so admirable. And in ancient times Odysseus had detractors, who thought that an Ideal Hero shouldn't rely so much on [[GuileHero guile]].
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guile]]. Actually, it's pretty debatable if he's this trope, but he ''is'' the TropeMaker. Why? Well, Greeks had different ideals than this website and the current world, so while Odysseus is the perfect Greek Hero, to us modern readers he can really seem like a sneaky, selfish JerkWithAHeartOfGold as opposed to this. It's just ValuesDissonance, really.


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* Atticus Finch in ''Literature/ToKillAMockingbird'' represents the ideal of what a human should be: brutally honest, highly moral in all aspects of his life, a tireless crusader for good causes however hopeless, respected by everyone including his opponents, and a virtual pacifist.
16th Mar '16 10:48:02 PM Ramona122003
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* While he's definitely more [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] and [[BloodKnight battle-hungry]] than most on this list, Saitama post CharacterDevelopment from ''Anime/OnePunchMan'' is increasingly like this, finding a point to his otherwise [[ComedicInvincibleHero completely unsatisfying]] heroic career by being a model to other heroes: humble, just, and kind to people who deserve it. Which, given how he originally wanted to be a hero [[GlorySeeker to get famous]], is a rather large shift.

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* While he's definitely more [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] and [[BloodKnight battle-hungry]] than most on this list, Saitama post CharacterDevelopment from ''Anime/OnePunchMan'' is increasingly like this, finding a point to his otherwise [[ComedicInvincibleHero [[ComicallyInvincibleHero completely unsatisfying]] heroic career by being a model to other heroes: humble, just, and kind to people who deserve it. Which, given how he originally wanted to be a hero [[GlorySeeker to get famous]], is a rather large shift.
16th Mar '16 10:37:49 PM Ramona122003
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* While he's definitely more [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] and [[BloodKnight battle-hungry]] than most on this less, Saitama post CharacterDevelopment from ''Anime/OnePunchMan'' is increasingly like this, finding a point to his otherwise [[ComedicInvincibleHero completely unsatisfying]] heroic career by being a model to other heroes-humble, just, and kind to people who deserve it. Which, given how he originally wanted to be a hero [[GlorySeeker to get famous]], is a rather large shift.

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* While he's definitely more [[PragmaticHero pragmatic]] and [[BloodKnight battle-hungry]] than most on this less, list, Saitama post CharacterDevelopment from ''Anime/OnePunchMan'' is increasingly like this, finding a point to his otherwise [[ComedicInvincibleHero completely unsatisfying]] heroic career by being a model to other heroes-humble, heroes: humble, just, and kind to people who deserve it. Which, given how he originally wanted to be a hero [[GlorySeeker to get famous]], is a rather large shift.



** Godzilla himself is an anti-hero, as since while he poses a serious risk to humans, he is also the only defense humanity can rely on to combat a truly evil giant monster (Godzilla is not evil, but his enemies can be considered that), ranging from King Ghidorah, Biollante, Gigan, Orga and Destroyah. Mothra even begged Godzilla for his help in fighting King Ghidorah in the Showa era to save the humans, but Godzilla initially refused, not caring if humanity perishes from Ghidorah's destruction.
16th Mar '16 10:33:14 PM Ramona122003
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* ''Manga/DragonBall'': Akira Toriyama seemed to be unable to decide if Goku is this or a (thoroughly benign and heroic) BloodKnight ManChild.
** Specifically, Goku himself fulfills the trope by being the best man you'll ever meet or hear of, but will focus on his training to the exclusion of everything else, sometimes including family. This is justified by Earth coming under regular attack by superbeings both terrestrial and extraterrestrial, and the fact that Goku is, in practice, the BigGood of the ''universe'' at the end of the series (he's kinda busy sometimes).
** Goku also tends to fall under a mild case of AdaptationalHeroism. In the dub and even in the Japanese anime, Goku's heroics are played up more. Toriyama originally wanted Goku to be a hero, but a somewhat questionable and selfish hero who grows stronger not to protect others, but to fight stronger people. He even says that he wanted people to wonder if Goku is really a good person. That changed a bit after CharacterDevelopment took over and Goku became more heroic and unquestionably good. He is still selfish and will put a good fight above the safety of the world, but his heart is usually in the right place.

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* ''Manga/DragonBall'': ''Manga/DragonBall'':
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Akira Toriyama seemed to be unable to decide if Goku is this or a (thoroughly benign and heroic) BloodKnight ManChild.
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ManChild. Specifically, Goku himself fulfills the trope by being the best man you'll ever meet or hear of, but will focus on his training to the exclusion of everything else, sometimes including family. This is justified by Earth coming under regular attack by superbeings both terrestrial and extraterrestrial, and the fact that Goku is, in practice, the BigGood of the ''universe'' at the end of the series (he's kinda busy sometimes).
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sometimes). Goku also tends to fall under a mild case of AdaptationalHeroism. In the dub and even in the Japanese anime, Goku's heroics are played up more. Toriyama originally wanted Goku to be a hero, but a somewhat questionable and selfish hero who grows stronger not to protect others, but to fight stronger people. He even says that he wanted people to wonder if Goku is really a good person. That changed a bit after CharacterDevelopment took over and Goku became more heroic and unquestionably good. He is still selfish and will put a good fight above the safety of the world, but his heart is usually in the right place.place.
** Gohan parodies one when he's dressed as the Great Saiyaman. When he's in SuperHero mode, he's a mixture of Power Rangers and Franchise/{{Superman}} with his poses and grand speeches. When he's not in costume he is closer to a ClassicalAntiHero because of his self-doubt in his ability.
14th Mar '16 6:29:20 AM Khrunwahl02
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Luke Skywalker [[HeroicArchetype was designed to be one]]. Contrast him to [[AntiHero Han Solo]], and ''especially'' to [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil his own father]] .

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Luke Skywalker [[HeroicArchetype was designed to be one]]. Contrast him to [[AntiHero Han Solo]], and ''especially'' to [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil his own father]] .father]].
** While Luke wanted to save Leia out of sympathy, Han only did so because Luke promised that Leia is a rich princess who would reward Han.



* ''Godzilla'': Mothra is an ideal hero, as she represents compassion and respect for humanity's right to live. This can mainly be interpreted by the fact that she is mainly guided by the Shobijin, two twin fairies who sympathize and often befriend numerous humans. **Godzilla himself is an anti-hero, as since while he poses a serious risk to humans, he is also the only defense humanity can rely on to combat a truly evil giant monster (Godzilla is not evil, but his enemies can be considered that), ranging from King Ghidorah, Biollante, Gigan, Orga and Destroyah. Mothra even begged Godzilla for his help in fighting King Ghidorah in the Showa era to save the humans, but Godzilla initially refused, not caring if humanity perishes from Ghidorah's destruction.

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* ''Godzilla'': Mothra is an ideal hero, as she represents compassion and respect for humanity's right to live. This can mainly be interpreted by the fact that she is mainly guided by the Shobijin, two twin fairies who sympathize and often befriend numerous humans. **Godzilla
** Godzilla
himself is an anti-hero, as since while he poses a serious risk to humans, he is also the only defense humanity can rely on to combat a truly evil giant monster (Godzilla is not evil, but his enemies can be considered that), ranging from King Ghidorah, Biollante, Gigan, Orga and Destroyah. Mothra even begged Godzilla for his help in fighting King Ghidorah in the Showa era to save the humans, but Godzilla initially refused, not caring if humanity perishes from Ghidorah's destruction.
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