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30th Dec '15 12:12:06 PM FordPrefect
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** Several additional waves of attackers from Midway itself were also just about wiped out by the Japanese. Something like seven separate attacks suffered atrocious losses. The only result being to disorganize the Japanese forces to the extent that the final attacks were outstandingly effective. One of the best books about the battle was named ''Incredible Victory'' for a reason. ** Those attacks also prevented the Japanese from launching the second wave of attack planes they had held in reserve. Ensuring they were caught in the middle of re-arming and re-fueling the first attack wave. *** The reason for the sequential attacks by the Americans was a lack of training and experience (each group set out as soon as it took off). Notably only the ''Yorktown's'' (the only battle-experienced carrier) squadrons arrived together, at almost the same time the ''Enterprise's'' bombers arrived from the opposite direction (which was pure luck - the timing was unintentional). * On the other side, the Japanese were the ones playing this trope straight after the tables turned. A few units and isolated officers held out for years after the surrender before they were convinced that the war was over. The last soldier to surrender, Lt. Hiroo Onoda, did so in 1974 ''twenty-nine years'' after the war ended.
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** Several additional waves of attackers from Midway itself were also just about wiped out by the Japanese. Something like seven separate attacks suffered atrocious losses. The only result being was to disorganize the Japanese forces to the extent that the final attacks were outstandingly effective. One of the best books about the battle was named ''Incredible Victory'' for a reason. ** Those attacks also prevented the Japanese from launching the second wave of attack planes they had held in reserve. Ensuring reserve, ensuring they were caught in the middle of re-arming and re-fueling the first attack wave. *** The reason for the sequential attacks by the Americans was a lack of training and experience (each group set out as soon as it took off). Notably Notably, only the ''Yorktown's'' squadrons from the ''Yorktown'' (the only battle-experienced carrier) squadrons arrived together, at almost the same time the ''Enterprise's'' bombers arrived from the opposite direction (which was pure luck - luck-- the timing was unintentional). * On the other side, the Japanese were the ones playing this trope straight after the tables turned. A few units and isolated officers held out for years after the surrender before they were convinced that the war was over. The last soldier to surrender, Lt. Hiroo Onoda, did so in 1974 1974, ''twenty-nine years'' after the war ended.
30th Dec '15 12:10:07 PM FordPrefect
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So, you would think that, since the material they are using is being destroyed, the military commander would stop wasting ammo or equipment (not to mention the [[RedshirtArmy personnel being vaporized, killed, or seriously injured]]). No, they keep right on shooting, wasting ammo and getting their ass kicked, as if [[MilitariesAreUseless the purpose of the military is continue to throw away]] its ordnance on invulnerable targets after it's been shown that there is no effect.
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So, you would think that, since the material they are using is being destroyed, the military commander would stop wasting ammo or equipment (not to mention the [[RedshirtArmy personnel being vaporized, killed, or seriously injured]]). No, they keep right on shooting, wasting ammo and getting their ass kicked, as if [[MilitariesAreUseless the purpose of the military is to continue to throw away]] its ordnance on invulnerable targets after it's been shown that there is no effect.
30th Dec '15 12:07:36 PM FordPrefect
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** In "Revenge of the Cybermen," the Vogans keep attacking the bulletproof cybermen with weapons that can't hurt them. (This is especially weird as Voga is full of gold, which ''can'' hurt them; and the Cybermen are the Vogans' prime enemy.)
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** In "Revenge of the Cybermen," the Vogans keep attacking the bulletproof cybermen Cybermen with weapons that can't hurt them. (This is especially weird as Voga is full of gold, which ''can'' hurt them; and the Cybermen are the Vogans' prime enemy.)
30th Dec '15 12:06:32 PM FordPrefect
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* Subverted in ''Film/IndependenceDay'', after dropping a nuke [[NukeEm on the alien destroyer]] over the city of Houston (and obliterating the previously undamaged city below), the Secretary of Defense thinks that using another nuke on another American city might still work even though the first one failed utterly. The President overrules him.
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* Subverted in ''Film/IndependenceDay'', after [[NukeEm dropping a nuke [[NukeEm nuke]] on the alien destroyer]] destroyer over the city of Houston (and obliterating the previously undamaged city below), the Secretary of Defense thinks that using another nuke on another American city might still work even though the first one failed utterly. The President overrules him.
30th Dec '15 12:04:48 PM FordPrefect
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Of course it can be argued that in [[HopelessWar truly hopeless situations]] in which it seems that the aliens intention is to [[KillAllHumans utterly wipe out humanity]], running away does not make all that much sense either, and [[LastStand dying in battle might even be seen as preferable fate]]. At best it might even [[HeroicSacrifice buy time]] for the rest of humanity to discover the alien weakness.
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Of course it can be argued that in [[HopelessWar truly hopeless situations]] in which it seems that the aliens intention is to [[KillAllHumans utterly wipe out humanity]], running away does not make all that much sense either, and [[LastStand dying in battle might even be seen as a preferable fate]]. At best it might even [[HeroicSacrifice buy time]] for the rest of humanity to discover the alien weakness.
9th Nov '15 8:21:41 AM Berrenta
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* In ''VideoGame/HalfLife2: Episode 1'', Gordon Freeman is at a train station, and must evade a [[TripodTerror Combine Strider]]. You're supposed to run around and underneath it using the storage crates as cover, but if you abuse your full supply of under-barrel grenades and nearby hopper mines you can slowly kill it. Your reward? [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything Another Strider spawns in,]] and will continue to do so [[RailRoading until you finish the obstacle course, open the crate of rockets, and kill the Strider with the RPG.]]
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* In ''VideoGame/HalfLife2: Episode 1'', Gordon Freeman is at a train station, and must evade a [[TripodTerror Combine Strider]]. You're supposed to run around and underneath it using the storage crates as cover, but if you abuse your full supply of under-barrel grenades and nearby hopper mines you can slowly kill it. Your reward? [[TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything [[DevelopersForesight Another Strider spawns in,]] and will continue to do so [[RailRoading until you finish the obstacle course, open the crate of rockets, and kill the Strider with the RPG.]]
29th Jul '15 11:06:00 AM Balmung
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* This is Zapp Brannigan's modus operandi in ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' to simply throw men into a hopeless battle until something happens. It actually works against the kill bots because they have a kill meter and once they reach maximum kill counts they shut off. Fridge horror occurs when a deleted scene reveals this limit is 99999 kills per Killbot. [[OhCrap and Bender Reset it]]
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* This is Zapp Brannigan's modus operandi in ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' to simply throw men into a hopeless battle until something happens. It actually works against the kill bots because they have a kill meter and once they reach maximum kill counts they shut off. Fridge horror occurs when a deleted scene reveals this limit is 99999 kills per Killbot. [[OhCrap and Bender Reset it]]
25th May '15 2:43:28 PM Alberich
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** In "Revenge of the Cybermen," the Vogans keep attacking the bulletproof cybermen with weapons that can't hurt them. (This is especially weird as Voga is full of gold, which ''can'' hurt them; and the Cybermen are the Vogans' prime enemy.)
5th Mar '15 4:24:47 AM merotoker
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* Used in ''DragonBallZ'', when the King's army tries to defeat Cell. Unfortunately for them, it turns out to be the 'Entire Army Vaporized' variant, because Cell is just that sadistic.
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* Used in ''DragonBallZ'', ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', when the King's army tries to defeat Cell. Unfortunately for them, it turns out to be the 'Entire Army Vaporized' variant, because Cell is just that sadistic.

* In the English dub of ''UchuuSenkanYamato'' / ''StarBlazers'', Captain Gideon's parting words to the Star Force regarding the Comet Empire are to [[spoiler:aim for the bottom half, as the upper half is impenetrably shielded.]] Advice he [[spoiler:fails to act on, even though he still has a couple of minutes left after he gives it.]] * The marines in ''OnePiece'' have a horrible knack of continually shooting a guy who's ImmuneToBullets while he runs around throwing trees and crushing buildings. ** Shown [[JustifiedTrope WHY they do this]] during the Marineford arc. If they ever stop fighting or retreat, a higher-ranking commander is authorized to just kill them. Few of the marine officers are that brutal, but then you have [[GeneralRipper Akainu...]]
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* In the English dub of ''UchuuSenkanYamato'' ''[[Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato Uchuu Senkan Yamato / ''StarBlazers'', Star Blazers]]'', Captain Gideon's parting words to the Star Force regarding the Comet Empire are to [[spoiler:aim for the bottom half, as the upper half is impenetrably shielded.]] Advice he [[spoiler:fails to act on, even though he still has a couple of minutes left after he gives it.]] * The marines in ''OnePiece'' ''Manga/OnePiece'' have a horrible knack of continually shooting a guy who's ImmuneToBullets while he runs around throwing trees and crushing buildings. ** buildings. Shown [[JustifiedTrope WHY they do this]] during the Marineford arc. If they ever stop fighting or retreat, a higher-ranking commander is authorized to just kill them. Few of the marine officers are that brutal, but then you have [[GeneralRipper Akainu...]]

* Just about every human soldier, guard, or police officer in ''ElfenLied''; granted, they don't really know her full capabilities. The first seven minutes or so are a pretty good example of this trope: Lucy escapes and begins walking toward the guards. They fire. She deflects the bullets with her invisible vectors. She continues to walk towards them. [[{{Gorn}} They die.]] [[LudicrousGibs Horribly.]] Variations on this happen multiple times in the first seven minutes, and throughout the series. In general, [[WalkItOff only the protagonists]] [[OnlyAFleshWound can survive]] an encounter with Lucy, even if they're not in one piece afterward, but common grunts seem quite willing to stand their ground and continue firing, even when bullets visibly have no effect, despite the fact that people around them are being literally ripped to pieces by invisible hands. ** There is only one Nameless non important grunt to attempt to subvert this, the guard who grabs a high power sniper rifle, and, on Kurama's orders, tries to blow Lucy's head off from the safety of his office. It fails of course, but the blow does give her amnesia.
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* Just about every human soldier, guard, or police officer in ''ElfenLied''; ''Manga/ElfenLied''; granted, they don't really know her full capabilities. The first seven minutes or so are a pretty good example of this trope: Lucy escapes and begins walking toward the guards. They fire. She deflects the bullets with her invisible vectors. She continues to walk towards them. [[{{Gorn}} They die.]] [[LudicrousGibs Horribly.]] Variations on this happen multiple times in the first seven minutes, and throughout the series. In general, [[WalkItOff only the protagonists]] [[OnlyAFleshWound can survive]] an encounter with Lucy, even if they're not in one piece afterward, but common grunts seem quite willing to stand their ground and continue firing, even when bullets visibly have no effect, despite the fact that people around them are being literally ripped to pieces by invisible hands. ** hands. There is only one Nameless non important grunt to attempt to subvert this, the guard who grabs a high power sniper rifle, and, on Kurama's orders, tries to blow Lucy's head off from the safety of his office. It fails of course, but the blow does give her amnesia.

* Notably averted in Manga/FullmetalAlchemist; all the important characters are intelligent people who adapt their tactics and learn from their mistakes. Even when they are simply pouring firepower at an enemy they know can heal from it, it's a deliberate plan to distract them or force them to waste their power reserves protecting themselves rather than killing people.
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* Notably averted in Manga/FullmetalAlchemist; ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''; all the important characters are intelligent people who adapt their tactics and learn from their mistakes. Even when they are simply pouring firepower at an enemy they know can heal from it, it's a deliberate plan to distract them or force them to waste their power reserves protecting themselves rather than killing people.

* ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', the military keeps attacking despite the fact all they're doing is making him mad as he throws their tanks back into each other, turning them into slag. ** This is a carryover from the comics, where the military was so obsessed with stopping the Hulk that they couldn't seem to figure out that every time they tried, it cost millions of dollars (and [[CouldHaveBeenMessy no lives]]). [[GeneralRipper General Ross]] in particular was fond of throwing [[{{Futurama}} wave after wave of his own men]] into battle, despite the fact that the Hulk would just get angrier and stronger with each successive attack.
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* ''Film/TheIncredibleHulk'', the military keeps attacking despite the fact all they're doing is making him mad as he throws their tanks back into each other, turning them into slag. ** slag. This is a carryover from the comics, where the military was so obsessed with stopping the Hulk that they couldn't seem to figure out that every time they tried, it cost millions of dollars (and [[CouldHaveBeenMessy no lives]]). [[GeneralRipper General Ross]] in particular was fond of throwing [[{{Futurama}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} wave after wave of his own men]] into battle, despite the fact that the Hulk would just get angrier and stronger with each successive attack.

* In the film ''Film/{{Evolution}}'', The army tries this against alien life forms that evolve at an alarming rate. Their General, shortly after being told fire makes them evolve faster, tells the main characters to shut up and makes things go to Hell. ** Tell someone that a weapon will make the threat of the week stronger and that's the first thing they'll try to kill it with. ** The general never finds out about the fire thing before detonating the napalm. They try to call him, but he refuses to pick up the phone. * In ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'', it seems that the super secret human/Autobot task force has one tactic: send the humans in, let them get slaughtered, then hope that delays the Decepticons long enough for the Autobots to kill them. ** The sequel shows NEST developing pretty effective tactics that allow humans to take out Decepticons ''with assault rifles'' (presumably, with armor-piercing ammo) without Autobot assistance. Sniper rifles also prove surprisingly effective at taking out their [[GoForTheEye eyes]].
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* In the film ''Film/{{Evolution}}'', The the army tries this against alien life forms that evolve at an alarming rate. Their General, shortly after being told fire makes them evolve faster, tells the main characters to shut up and makes things go to Hell. ** Hell. Tell someone that a weapon will make the threat of the week stronger and that's the first thing they'll try to kill it with. ** with. The general never finds out about the fire thing before detonating the napalm. They try to call him, but he refuses to pick up the phone. * In ''Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen'', it seems that the super secret human/Autobot task force has one tactic: send the humans in, let them get slaughtered, then hope that delays the Decepticons long enough for the Autobots to kill them. ** them. The sequel shows NEST developing pretty effective tactics that allow humans to take out Decepticons ''with assault rifles'' (presumably, with armor-piercing ammo) without Autobot assistance. Sniper rifles also prove surprisingly effective at taking out their [[GoForTheEye eyes]].

* ''WorldWarZ'' has the narrator interviewing a Chinese submarine commander who defected. Apparently his reasons weren't political, but rather the truly horrific mindsets of the top Chinese government officials who refused to believe that using [[WeHaveReserves massive numbers]] of [[ZergRush poorly equipped soldiers]] was a bad idea. This despite the fact that every soldier killed by the zeds meant another zombie enemy. Of course, fridge logic dictates that the zombies usually tear humans apart if they got ahold of them, and even a crappy army should be able to average a better than 1/1 exchange ratio, but [[RuleOfDrama shh]].
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* ''WorldWarZ'' ''Literature/WorldWarZ'' has the narrator interviewing a Chinese submarine commander who defected. Apparently his reasons weren't political, but rather the truly horrific mindsets of the top Chinese government officials who refused to believe that using [[WeHaveReserves massive numbers]] of [[ZergRush poorly equipped soldiers]] was a bad idea. This despite the fact that every soldier killed by the zeds meant another zombie enemy. Of course, fridge logic dictates that the zombies usually tear humans apart if they got ahold of them, and even a crappy army should be able to average a better than 1/1 exchange ratio, but [[RuleOfDrama shh]].

* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mii1a6FKB28 "Barroom Hero"]] by the DropkickMurphys. Basically it's about a big tough guy who loves to get drunk and fight, but he's a much better drinker than a fighter, apparently.
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* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mii1a6FKB28 "Barroom Hero"]] by the DropkickMurphys.Music/DropkickMurphys. Basically it's about a big tough guy who loves to get drunk and fight, but he's a much better drinker than a fighter, apparently.

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* You're up against a ghost ''{{Franchise/Pokemon}}'' trainer with your {{Mons}} knowing nothing but normal or fighting moves. You can't run from a trainer battle... * The ''JakAndDaxter'' series's titular OneManArmy, Jak, is constantly laying the smackdown on hordes of Krimzon Guards, Metal Heads, and pretty much anything that moves in a vaguely threatening way. And no matter what, they just keep coming.
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* You're up against a ghost ''{{Franchise/Pokemon}}'' trainer with your {{Mons}} {{Mon}}s knowing nothing but normal or fighting moves. You can't run from a trainer battle... * The ''JakAndDaxter'' ''Franchise/JakAndDaxter'' series's titular OneManArmy, Jak, is constantly laying the smackdown on hordes of Krimzon Guards, Metal Heads, and pretty much anything that moves in a vaguely threatening way. And no matter what, they just keep coming.

* Averted slightly in ''UniverseAtWar.'' While humanity is never shown as being capable of bringing down a Hierarchy walker by themselves, human tanks, fighters, and trained infantry are shown to be perfectly capable of killing Hierarchy ground troops, albeit with heavy casualties. When Earth finally manages to launch a nuke against a Hierarchy ship, it's implied that it does decent damage, and a high-ranking Hierarchy commander considers it a humbling lesson.
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* Averted slightly in ''UniverseAtWar.''VideoGame/UniverseAtWar.'' While humanity is never shown as being capable of bringing down a Hierarchy walker by themselves, human tanks, fighters, and trained infantry are shown to be perfectly capable of killing Hierarchy ground troops, albeit with heavy casualties. When Earth finally manages to launch a nuke against a Hierarchy ship, it's implied that it does decent damage, and a high-ranking Hierarchy commander considers it a humbling lesson.

* This is what makes [[HumansAreWarriors humans special]] in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars''. The game's resident ProudWarriorRace, the [[LizardFolk Tarka]], are {{Combat Pragmatist}}s who will surrender or flee if the situation is hopeless. Humans, on the other hand have been known to keep on fighting, and that scares the shit out of them. The ArtificialStupidity can get pretty thick, though. You can be sweeping enemy planets away turn on turn and the AI will usually refuse to beg for peace or surrender, even all the way to their end.
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* This is what makes [[HumansAreWarriors humans special]] in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars''. The game's resident ProudWarriorRace, {{Proud Warrior Race|Guy}}, the [[LizardFolk Tarka]], are {{Combat Pragmatist}}s who will surrender or flee if the situation is hopeless. Humans, on the other hand have been known to keep on fighting, and that scares the shit out of them. The ArtificialStupidity can get pretty thick, though. You can be sweeping enemy planets away turn on turn and the AI will usually refuse to beg for peace or surrender, even all the way to their end.

* This is Zapp Brannigan's modus operandi in ''{{Futurama}}'' to simply throw men into a hopeless battle until something happens. It actually works against the kill bots because they have a kill meter and once they reach maximum kill counts they shut off. Fridge horror occurs when a deleted scene reveals this limit is 99999 kills per Killbot. [[OhCrap and Bender Reset it]] * [[{{Lampshade}} Lampshaded]] in the ''PowerpuffGirls'', when a typical giant [[MonsteroftheWeek monster]] appears to wreak havoc in the city...
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* This is Zapp Brannigan's modus operandi in ''{{Futurama}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' to simply throw men into a hopeless battle until something happens. It actually works against the kill bots because they have a kill meter and once they reach maximum kill counts they shut off. Fridge horror occurs when a deleted scene reveals this limit is 99999 kills per Killbot. [[OhCrap and Bender Reset it]] * [[{{Lampshade}} Lampshaded]] {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in the ''PowerpuffGirls'', ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'', when a typical giant [[MonsteroftheWeek monster]] {{monster|oftheWeek}} appears to wreak havoc in the city...

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14th Feb '15 7:44:20 PM TheUsualSuspect
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** In 'MummyOnTheOrientExpress', Captain Quell constinues to shoot at the mummy even when it's clear that the bulletts pass right through him. He seems aware it's pointless but remarks, "What kind of soldier would I be, dying with bullets in my gun?"
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** In 'MummyOnTheOrientExpress', 'Mummy On The Orient Express', Captain Quell constinues continues to shoot at the mummy even when it's clear that the bulletts bullets pass right through him. He seems aware it's pointless but remarks, "What kind of soldier would I be, dying with bullets in my gun?"
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