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22nd Apr '16 9:50:03 PM DeisTheAlcano
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->''"Returning to the bridge where Gwen died had become an established ''Spider-Man'' cliché by that point -- and an overused one, at that. To this day, whenever a ''Spider-Man'' writer tries for dramatic irony or poignancy, it usually involves Spider-Man being at that bridge."''
-->-- '''Editor/Writer Glenn Greenberg''' on ''ComicBook/TheCloneSaga''
21st Apr '16 3:38:47 AM Adept
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* Teresa's death in front of Clare in ''{{Claymore}}'' is the whole motivation that causes her to become a Claymore to begin with.
** Also a notable example of a Gwen Stacy who was most certainly ''not'' holding the IdiotBall.

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* ''Manga/{{Claymore}}''
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Teresa's death in front of Clare in ''{{Claymore}}'' is the whole motivation that causes her Clare to become a Claymore to begin with.
** Also a notable example of a Gwen Stacy who was most certainly ''not'' holding the IdiotBall.
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20th Apr '16 4:38:26 PM XanderVJ
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* In ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'', Kirito joins a guild of players, keeping the fact that he was a former beta tester and significantly higher in experience levels than his guildmates secret. This turns around to bite him in the ass when, while doing a dungeon run, he and his party get trapped in a room they can't warp away from, causing the death of the entire guild (his party members dying in battle and the leader being DrivenToSuicide). Kirito's guilt over letting his guildmates die drives him into IneffectualLoner / DeathSeeker territory for months afterward.

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* In ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'', Kirito joins a guild of players, keeping the fact that he was a former beta tester and significantly higher in experience levels than his guildmates secret. This turns around to bite him in the ass when, while doing a dungeon run, he and his party get trapped in a room they can't warp away from, causing from. Kirito's level provokes the spawn of an entire horde of high level monsters that, although Kirito was skilled enough to barely survive, they were way too much for his guildmates to handle. This causes the death of the entire guild (his party members dying in battle and the leader being DrivenToSuicide). Kirito's guilt over letting his guildmates die drives him into IneffectualLoner / DeathSeeker territory for months afterward.



** There's also the "What if...?" comic in which Peter managed to save her. He jumped down instead of using his webbing. In the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' this is exactly how he saves Mary Jane and Aunt May, who's put in the same situation.

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** Peter repeats this at the end of ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'' with Anna Maria Marconi. However, as he himself puts it, he had already practiced so much he can practically do it in his sleep by now.
** There's also the "What if...?" comic in which Peter managed to save her. He jumped down to grab her directly and absorb the fall, instead of using his webbing. In the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' this is exactly how he saves Mary Jane and Aunt May, who's put in the same situation.
19th Apr '16 1:59:14 PM Willbyr
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* In ''SwordArtOnline'', Kirito joins a guild of players, keeping the fact that he was a former beta tester and significantly higher in experience levels than his guildmates secret. This turns around to bite him in the ass when, while doing a dungeon run, he and his party get trapped in a room they can't warp away from, causing the death of the entire guild (his party members dying in battle and the leader being DrivenToSuicide). Kirito's guilt over letting his guildmates die drives him into IneffectualLoner / DeathSeeker territory for months afterward.

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* In ''SwordArtOnline'', ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'', Kirito joins a guild of players, keeping the fact that he was a former beta tester and significantly higher in experience levels than his guildmates secret. This turns around to bite him in the ass when, while doing a dungeon run, he and his party get trapped in a room they can't warp away from, causing the death of the entire guild (his party members dying in battle and the leader being DrivenToSuicide). Kirito's guilt over letting his guildmates die drives him into IneffectualLoner / DeathSeeker territory for months afterward.



** And Subaru Sumeragi has his own Gwen Stacy in the form of [[AngstySurvivingTwin his twin sister Hokuto]], who dies at the end of [[TokyoBabylon their own series]] after Subaru falls into a massive HeroicBSOD of his own. Subaru actually helps Kamui out of his BSOD through their mutual experience.

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** And Subaru Sumeragi has his own Gwen Stacy in the form of [[AngstySurvivingTwin his twin sister Hokuto]], who dies at the end of [[TokyoBabylon [[Manga/TokyoBabylon their own series]] after Subaru falls into a massive HeroicBSOD of his own. Subaru actually helps Kamui out of his BSOD through their mutual experience.
14th Apr '16 2:20:09 PM nielas
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** When the Machine started generating the Irrelevant List, Finch ordered it to delete the List. However, his best friend Nathan put in a back door into the system and tried to save the people the List indicated were about to be murdered. When Finch discovered this, he cut off Nathan's access not realizing that Nathan's name was about to appear on the List. When Nathan was killed, Finch took it very hard and devoted his life to saving as many people on the List as he can.
** Both Finch and Reese take it very hard when they are unable to save someone on the List.
** When Root was a child, her best friend was kidnapped and murdered. This shaped her entire life and caused her to become a villain. When she figures out who the killer was, her revenge was merciless. Her HeelFaceTurn comes when she averts this trope by willingly stepping into the path of a bullet to save the life of an innocent man she is protecting.
25th Mar '16 3:16:14 PM Sapphirea2
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' mini-episode "The Night of the Doctor", the Eighth Doctor meets a prospective companion, Cass, who turns out to be a soldier in a war with his species. When he shows her the TARDIS, she realizes ''what'' he is and refuses to board, despite his lame protestations that he's "[[DamnedByFaintPraise one of the nice ones]]." Cass' ship goes down, she is killed in the crash. This turns out to be the lever which causes the Doctor to join the war effort: As an act of solidarity with Cass' cause, Eight takes her bandoleer [[spoiler:and regenerates into the War Doctor]], a soldier with no particular allegiance to either side in the war - only its victims.
** The Series 9 endgame revolves around this. In "Face the Raven", due to the converging fallout of the Twelfth Doctor 1) saving his home world of Gallifrey and the Time Lords (with the help of his other selves), 2) reviving Ashildr in a way that made her immortal and eventually embittered, and 3) not doing more to keep his beloved companion Clara Oswald from following his example and trying to be a hero despite being far more reckless and "breakable" than he, Clara is KilledOffForReal in a SenselessSacrifice when she tries to protect an innocent -- used as bait by Ashildr merely to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords. Clara tries to convince him to hold to his principles, not seek revenge for her death, and keep helping others as her fate looms...but he despairs "What's the point of being a Doctor if I can't cure you?" Over the course of the next two episodes, "Heaven Sent" and "Hell Bent", his anguish and guilt over her demise, exacerbated by Time Lord torture, drives him to try to save Clara by violating a fixed point in time ''and'' his principles, risking the safety of the universe in the process. She's horrified to see he's been DrivenToMadness, but she also causes him to realize his love for her is ''keeping him from being a hero''. In the end, he is mind-wiped of key memories of her -- he doesn't recall her face, voice, or why he loved her, and thus has no idea she's now OnlyMostlyDead and having adventures with Ashildr! Tellingly, up to this point a {{Catchphrase}} of Clara's was "Run you clever boy...and remember me", as he'd first encountered her as "echoes" who made {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s for him across space and time. But she changes it to leave one last message for him on his blackboard at the end, reminding him of what he ''really'' needs to do: "Run you clever boy...and be a Doctor".

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' mini-episode "The Night of the Doctor", the Eighth Doctor meets a prospective companion, Cass, who turns out to be a soldier in a war with his species. When he shows her the TARDIS, she realizes ''what'' he is and refuses to board, despite his lame protestations that he's "[[DamnedByFaintPraise one of the nice ones]]." Cass' ship goes down, and she is killed in the crash. This turns out to be the lever which causes the Doctor to join the war effort: As an act of solidarity with Cass' cause, Eight takes her bandoleer [[spoiler:and regenerates into the War Doctor]], a soldier with no particular allegiance to either side in the war - -- only its victims.
** The Series 9 endgame revolves around this. In "Face the Raven", due to the converging fallout of the Twelfth Doctor 1) saving his home world of Gallifrey and the Time Lords (with the help of his other selves), 2) reviving Ashildr in a way that made her immortal and eventually embittered, and 3) not doing more to keep his beloved companion Clara Oswald from following his example and trying to be a hero despite being far more reckless and "breakable" than he, Clara is KilledOffForReal in a SenselessSacrifice when she tries to protect an innocent -- used as bait by Ashildr merely to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords. Lords. The Doctor blames himself for this disaster -- after all, he saved Ashildr's life in a way that made him immortal and eventually resentful of him, he saved the Time Lords, and he didn't do more to stop Clara from trying to be like him when she was far more "breakable". Clara tells him it's HER fault and no one else's, since she made the fatal, foolish choice to take on a death sentence, and tries to convince him to hold to his principles, not seek revenge for her death, and keep helping others as her fate looms...but looms. But he despairs "What's the point of being a Doctor if I can't cure you?" Over the course of the next two episodes, "Heaven Sent" and "Hell Bent", his anguish and guilt over her demise, demise is exacerbated by Time Lord torture, drives him to try to save torture. By the time he escapes, he's been DrivenToMadness and "saves" Clara by violating a fixed point in time ''and'' his principles, risking the safety of the universe in the process. She's horrified to see he's been DrivenToMadness, but she also universe. Ashildr points out, again, that he was NOT responsible for Clara's death, while Clara herself causes him to realize his love for her is ''keeping keeping him from being a hero''.hero. In the end, he is mind-wiped of key memories of her -- he doesn't recall her face, voice, or why he loved her, and thus has no idea she's now OnlyMostlyDead and having adventures with Ashildr! Tellingly, up to this point a {{Catchphrase}} of Clara's was "Run you clever boy...and remember me", as he'd first encountered her as "echoes" who made {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s for him across space and time. But she changes it to leave one last message for him on his blackboard at the end, reminding him of what he ''really'' needs to do: "Run you clever boy...and be a Doctor".
25th Mar '16 3:00:14 PM Sapphirea2
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** The Series 9 endgame plays with this trope. In "Face the Raven", due to the converging fallout of the Twelfth Doctor 1) saving his home world of Gallifrey and the Time Lords (with the help of his other selves), 2) reviving Ashildr in a way that made her immortal and eventually embittered, and 3) not doing more to keep his beloved companion Clara Oswald from following his example and trying to be a hero despite being far more reckless and "breakable" than he, Clara is KilledOffForReal in a SenselessSacrifice when she tries to protect an innocent -- used as bait by Ashildr merely to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords, who have offered her and an alien refugee community protection if she does so. Clara tries to convince him to hold to his principles, not seek revenge for her death, and keep helping others as her fate looms...but he despairs "What's the point of being a Doctor if I can't cure you?" Grieving and enraged, he spends the next episode "Heaven Sent" trapped in a torture chamber. "Hell Bent" (the finale) reveals he could have been freed immediately if he revealed everything the Time Lords wanted to get out of him, but '''solely''' so he could use the promise of that information as a bargaining chip to save Clara's life, he suffers for ''millennia'' instead to find another way out. The only way he can save her is by breaking all of his principles and violating a fixed point in time, normally a huge no-no for him -- but he's been DrivenToMadness. Even Ashildr pointing out that he was NOT responsible for Clara's death (rather, it was her foolish, noble choice) can't convince him to give up his TragicDream. Finally, Clara causes him to realize how he's let his anguish turn him into a monster, and he ends up being mind-wiped of his key memories of her (appearance, voice, etc.). Though she's OnlyMostlyDead now, he no longer recognizes her or remembers why he loved her, lifting the burden of grief from him, allowing them to part ways -- and freeing him to be the Doctor again.

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** The Series 9 endgame plays with this trope. revolves around this. In "Face the Raven", due to the converging fallout of the Twelfth Doctor 1) saving his home world of Gallifrey and the Time Lords (with the help of his other selves), 2) reviving Ashildr in a way that made her immortal and eventually embittered, and 3) not doing more to keep his beloved companion Clara Oswald from following his example and trying to be a hero despite being far more reckless and "breakable" than he, Clara is KilledOffForReal in a SenselessSacrifice when she tries to protect an innocent -- used as bait by Ashildr merely to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords, who have offered her and an alien refugee community protection if she does so.Lords. Clara tries to convince him to hold to his principles, not seek revenge for her death, and keep helping others as her fate looms...but he despairs "What's the point of being a Doctor if I can't cure you?" Grieving and enraged, he spends you?" Over the course of the next episode two episodes, "Heaven Sent" trapped in a torture chamber. and "Hell Bent" (the finale) reveals he could have been freed immediately if he revealed everything the Bent", his anguish and guilt over her demise, exacerbated by Time Lords wanted Lord torture, drives him to get out of him, but '''solely''' so he could use the promise of that information as a bargaining chip try to save Clara's life, he suffers for ''millennia'' instead to find another way out. The only way he can save her is Clara by breaking all of his principles and violating a fixed point in time, normally a huge no-no for him -- but time ''and'' his principles, risking the safety of the universe in the process. She's horrified to see he's been DrivenToMadness. Even Ashildr pointing out that he was NOT responsible for Clara's death (rather, it was her foolish, noble choice) can't convince him to give up his TragicDream. Finally, Clara DrivenToMadness, but she also causes him to realize how he's let his anguish turn love for her is ''keeping him into a monster, and he ends up from being a hero''. In the end, he is mind-wiped of his key memories of her (appearance, -- he doesn't recall her face, voice, etc.). Though she's OnlyMostlyDead now, he no longer recognizes her or remembers why he loved her, lifting and thus has no idea she's now OnlyMostlyDead and having adventures with Ashildr! Tellingly, up to this point a {{Catchphrase}} of Clara's was "Run you clever boy...and remember me", as he'd first encountered her as "echoes" who made {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s for him across space and time. But she changes it to leave one last message for him on his blackboard at the burden end, reminding him of grief from him, allowing them what he ''really'' needs to part ways -- do: "Run you clever boy...and freeing him to be the Doctor again. a Doctor".
25th Mar '16 2:45:36 PM Sapphirea2
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** The Series 9 endgame plays with this trope. In "Face the Raven", due to the converging fallout of the Twelfth Doctor 1) saving his home world of Gallifrey and the Time Lords (with the help of his other selves), 2) reviving Ashildr in a way that made her immortal and eventually embittered, and 3) not doing more to keep his beloved companion Clara Oswald from following his example and trying to be a hero despite being far more reckless and "breakable" than he, Clara is KilledOffForReal in a SenselessSacrifice when she tries to protect an innocent -- used as bait by Ashildr merely to trap the Doctor for the Time Lords, who have offered her and an alien refugee community protection if she does so. Clara tries to convince him to hold to his principles, not seek revenge for her death, and keep helping others as her fate looms...but he despairs "What's the point of being a Doctor if I can't cure you?" Grieving and enraged, he spends the next episode "Heaven Sent" trapped in a torture chamber. "Hell Bent" (the finale) reveals he could have been freed immediately if he revealed everything the Time Lords wanted to get out of him, but '''solely''' so he could use the promise of that information as a bargaining chip to save Clara's life, he suffers for ''millennia'' instead to find another way out. The only way he can save her is by breaking all of his principles and violating a fixed point in time, normally a huge no-no for him -- but he's been DrivenToMadness. Even Ashildr pointing out that he was NOT responsible for Clara's death (rather, it was her foolish, noble choice) can't convince him to give up his TragicDream. Finally, Clara causes him to realize how he's let his anguish turn him into a monster, and he ends up being mind-wiped of his key memories of her (appearance, voice, etc.). Though she's OnlyMostlyDead now, he no longer recognizes her or remembers why he loved her, lifting the burden of grief from him, allowing them to part ways -- and freeing him to be the Doctor again.
21st Mar '16 9:38:47 AM Pinokio
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* ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'': Averted. Mary Jane is put in a situation similar to Gwen Stacy's in the ''The Night Gwen Stacy Died'', but Spider-Man saves her in time. In ''Film/SpiderMan3'', Gwen Stacy almost falls to her death from off of a building, and stops herself from falling.
7th Mar '16 9:19:23 PM TheCuza
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* In [[Creator/KaboomComics Boom! Kids]]' ''ComicBook/DarkwingDuck'' series, one of the alternate universe Darkwings fights with a bow and arrows, because, in his universe, his [[HappilyAdopted daughter]] Gosalyn pulled a HeroicSacrifice, and there was nothing he could do to save her. He took up her weapons and changed his name to Quiverwing Quack, in remembrance of her.
** Another alternate universe Darkwing lost his Gosalyn and it made an impact on him as well, but he tried to cope with it in an entirely different manner; by changing his name to Darkwarrior Duck and then [[KnightTemplar cleaning up his St. Canard by killing his enemies one by one]].

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* In [[Creator/KaboomComics Boom! Kids]]' ''ComicBook/DarkwingDuck'' series, one of the alternate universe Darkwings fights with a bow and arrows, because, in his universe, his [[HappilyAdopted daughter]] Gosalyn pulled a HeroicSacrifice, and there was nothing he could do to save her. He took up her weapons and changed his name to Quiverwing Quack, Quack superhero identity in remembrance of her.
** Another alternate universe Darkwing lost his Gosalyn Gosalyn, thinking she had run away from home, and it made an impact on him as well, but he tried to cope with it in an entirely different manner; by changing his name to becoming a KnightTemplar named Darkwarrior Duck and then [[KnightTemplar cleaning up his ruling St. Canard by killing his enemies one by one]].as a merciless dictator with an AllCrimesAreEqual policy.
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