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8th Dec '17 1:16:18 PM AgProv
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* One of Creator/AAPessimal's most finely-realised characters was only ever meant to appear in one story as an expansion of a one-line placeholder in canon. She was originally intended to be a rather stroppy "[[AmoralAfrikaner South African]]" who took all the NationalStereotypes of "White South African-ness" UpToEleven in a Discworld context, and, very deliberately, be hard for the reader to like or sympathise with. And that would have been it. Only... as WordOfGod has it, this [[FieryRedhead late-entry Assassin]] ended up standing behind Pessimal with a very large blade at his neck, demanding he write her more sympathetically and make her more of an ActionGirl heroine. Thus, the nineteen-year old new arrival in Ankh-Morpork evolved over a series of tales into a more mellow forty-something mother of three daughters. And her family started to appear in such numbers that the author realised he'd better make an effort to learn ''some'' Afrikaans and not keep winging it.
17th Nov '17 10:21:29 PM LadyNorbert
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Justified to a certain extent: The RuleOfDrama dictates that what makes the best story isn't always the easiest thing to write. The author might ''know'' that killing off Bob is the most exciting/logical/dramatic/marketable course of action, but we can assume that as an author, he ''likes'' his character and will suffer a bit of heartache over it...heartache that is going to be magnified when the move proves to be extremely unpopular, or the fans react with horror and run away screaming, "[[FanonDiscontinuity That never happened]]!"

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Justified to a certain extent: The RuleOfDrama dictates that what makes the best story isn't always the easiest thing to write. The author might ''know'' that killing off Bob is the most exciting/logical/dramatic/marketable course of action, but we can assume that as an author, he ''likes'' his character and will suffer a bit of heartache over it... heartache that which is going to be magnified when the move proves to be extremely unpopular, or the fans react with horror and run away screaming, "[[FanonDiscontinuity That never happened]]!"



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* Trailers for ''Film/TheManWhoInventedChristmas'' strongly suggest that the character-driven version was a major part of the creative process for Creator/CharlesDickens. At one point he even tells Scrooge that the characters should do what he wants them to do, since "I'm the author!" Scrooge's response is an amused denial.
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', this is [[TheStoryteller Varric's]] response when Aveline asks how his city guard serial (loosely based on her) is going to end. "The story will go where it wants to go. The characters drive it, not me."

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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', this is [[TheStoryteller Varric's]] response when Aveline asks how his city guard serial (loosely (which includes a character loosely based on her) is going to end. "The story will go where it wants to go. The characters drive it, not me." He reiterates the sentiment in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' when talking about his body of work in general, noting that "You don't really write a good story. It was there the whole time. You just uncover it."
10th Nov '17 11:18:11 AM MasterN
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See also WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants, which can lead to this. At its source, the DeathOfTheAuthor theory builds on a variant of this idea, that a writer is a "conduit" for a story, and when their work is done their opinion on it is no more important than any other reader's.

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See also WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants, which can lead to this. At its source, the DeathOfTheAuthor theory builds on a variant of this idea, that a writer is a "conduit" for a story, and when their work is done their opinion on it is no more important than any other reader's.
reader's. Can also happen when itís not the plot or characters but the executives who demand a story be written a certain way, and the author has no choice but to comply- for that, see ExecutiveMeddling.
10th Nov '17 11:11:36 AM MasterN
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A step down from the LiteraryAgentHypothesis, this is an author who speaks about the events in his stories as if he had no control over them. He claims heartbreak when killing off a character, commiserates with the fans over the ShipSinking, and rants along with the fans at characters' WhatAnIdiot moments. Often becomes prominent when CerebusSyndrome strikes.

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A step down from the LiteraryAgentHypothesis, this is an author who speaks about the events in his stories as if he had no control over them. He claims heartbreak when killing off a character, character gets KilledOffForReal, commiserates with the fans over the ShipSinking, laments when CharacterDerailment strikes, and rants along with the fans at characters' WhatAnIdiot moments. Often becomes prominent when CerebusSyndrome strikes.
28th Oct '17 2:55:43 PM Korodzik
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* Indie writer Kate Paulk, in [[https://madgeniusclub.com/2013/05/02/pantsers-guide-to-getting-unstuck/ one blog post]], uses this to describe her characters:
-->...youíve probably also got at least one irritated character because you wrote them doing something they didnít do, so Ė of course Ė they donít want to talk to you (Avoiding this is why I mentally rehearse multiple options before I actually write the scene. Usually, anyway. Sometimes they just push it on me then cuss me out because they got it wrong or they want a rewrite. Demanding [=SOBs=]).
8th Oct '17 4:12:35 AM Korodzik
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* [[https://bad-rpers-suck.livejournal.com/8254541.html This post]] (and its comments) from the Livejournal community bad_rpers_suck discusses the thin line between roleplayers who feel that their character has taken on a "life" of its own... and people who go full DaydreamBeliever, seriously believing their characters are fully real and interfering with their life.
28th Sep '17 6:42:04 AM Korodzik
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Compare DaydreamBeliever, when the fans take this to its logical conclusion and believe that the fictional characters ''literally'' exist somewhere out there.
21st Sep '17 4:44:17 PM nighttrainfm
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* K. Lin, author of Institute of Metaphysics, talks about how a character "mentally strong-armed" her into writing one of the story arcs [[http://iofm.comicgenesis.com/d/20111115.html here]]

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* K. Lin, author of Institute of Metaphysics, talks about how a character "mentally strong-armed" her into writing one of the story arcs [[http://iofm.comicgenesis.com/d/20111115.html here]]here.]]
* In the sixth print collection of ''Webcomic/DumbingOfAge'', David Willis mentions that Carla effectively wrested control of the plotline involving [[spoiler: Ruth's depression]] from him. Once she knew how bad things had gotten, he couldn't think of any in-character response besides her blowing up the secret.
11th Sep '17 11:57:04 PM jtierney50
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* A minor example: Creator/LinManuelMiranda once complained that he had to go learn French because "[[Theatre/{{Hamilton}} Lafayette]] wants to rap in French. Dammit, Lafayette."
* The narrator in ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' has no more control over the events of the play than the characters, as proved when [[spoiler:they band together and kill him]].
30th Aug '17 8:27:47 PM PaulA
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* Creator/DennisLehane explains the 11-year gap between novels in the Kenzie and Gennaro series as the result of the lead character, Patrick, refusing to talk to him for that amount of time.

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* Creator/DennisLehane explains the 11-year gap between novels in the Kenzie and Gennaro series Literature/KenzieAndGennaroSeries as the result of the lead character, Patrick, refusing to talk to him for that amount of time.
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