History Main / HorribleJudgeOfCharacter

5th Dec '16 1:49:16 AM DeanMT94
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** At the start of Hitler's time in power, political establishment figures such as President Paul von Hindenburg and former Chancellor Franz von Papen thought that the new Chancellor would be easily manipulable, open to persuasion, and that he would defer to the experience of men who, unlike him, had held political office before. Papen even boasted "we've bought him". Hitler, of course, turned out to be TheDeterminator who refused to compromise on anything, ran political rings around men like Hindenburg and Papen, became effective dictator of Germany within ''two months'' of assuming the Chancellorship, and thoroughly sidelined those who had tried to control him. That was all before the Night of the Long Knives around a year later, when a large number of old elite figures (though neither Hindenburg nor Papen were among them) were arrested and/or brutally murdered by the SS.
28th Nov '16 4:52:45 PM Kadorhal
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** Same thing for how fans interpret WordOfGod. They seem to scream DeathOfTheAuthor when said author is usually truthful in what he says, yet authors that tend to lie and troll their fans seem to have everyone taking their every word as gospel truth no matter how often it turns out to be a lie. Fans are generally really, really bad at figuring out the character and values of creators...

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** Same thing for how fans interpret WordOfGod. They seem to scream DeathOfTheAuthor when said author is usually truthful in what he says, yet authors that tend to lie and troll their fans seem to have everyone taking their every word as gospel truth no matter how often it turns out to be a lie. Fans are generally really, really bad at figuring out the character and values of creators...creators.



** Hitler and the Nazi high command also trusted their spies, even though ''every one'' of them had become a DoubleAgent for the British very early.


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** From the other end, Hitler and the Nazi high command also trusted their spies without question, even though ''every one'' of them had become a DoubleAgent for the British very early on.
20th Nov '16 12:10:02 AM Hanz
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* ''Videogame/PokemonXAndY'' has Professor Sycamore, who after listening to Lysandre's speech of [[ObviouslyEvil how the world must be cleansed of what he considers filth]] praises the man for his passion. Subverted in that he later admits that he had an idea on how far Lysandre would go, but was never able to confront him about it, making his earlier praise look more like denial than being oblivious.

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* ''Videogame/PokemonXAndY'' has Professor Sycamore, who after listening to Lysandre's speech of [[ObviouslyEvil how the world must be cleansed of what those he considers filth]] praises the man for his passion. Subverted in that he later admits that he had an idea on how far Lysandre would go, but was never able to confront him about it, making his earlier praise look more like denial than being oblivious.
17th Nov '16 12:07:27 PM nombretomado
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* ''AGoofyMovie''. Goofy is convinced that his {{Toxic Friend|Influence}} Pete is "good with kids," despite Pete more-or-less [[AbusiveParents mentally abusing his son]] for ''[[WesternAnimation/GoofTroop years]]. When Pete hears of Max's aloofness, he presents as a concerning issue that Max may end up becoming a criminal. Goofy initially shrugs it off, but the notion returns when he is called by the very neurotic principal over the stunt Max pulled. The principal rants in extreme hyperbole, leading to Goofy taking Max on the fishing trip. Then later Pete convinces Goofy that the way to keep your kids good is to "keep 'em under your thumb", demonstrating [[KickTheDog at least partially without reason]] that all that does is make your kids miserable. Overall, it fails as Goofy tries being more assertive, which doesn't work. This leads to more problems when Pete discovers Max editing the road trip map.

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* ''AGoofyMovie''.''WesternAnimation/AGoofyMovie''. Goofy is convinced that his {{Toxic Friend|Influence}} Pete is "good with kids," despite Pete more-or-less [[AbusiveParents mentally abusing his son]] for ''[[WesternAnimation/GoofTroop years]]. When Pete hears of Max's aloofness, he presents as a concerning issue that Max may end up becoming a criminal. Goofy initially shrugs it off, but the notion returns when he is called by the very neurotic principal over the stunt Max pulled. The principal rants in extreme hyperbole, leading to Goofy taking Max on the fishing trip. Then later Pete convinces Goofy that the way to keep your kids good is to "keep 'em under your thumb", demonstrating [[KickTheDog at least partially without reason]] that all that does is make your kids miserable. Overall, it fails as Goofy tries being more assertive, which doesn't work. This leads to more problems when Pete discovers Max editing the road trip map.
17th Nov '16 12:26:02 AM DrOO7
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* Every woman who sent Ted Bundy love letters and wedding proposals while he was on trial for serial murder; Bundy was in fact a charming, charismatic, and handsome individual, which is how he was able to lure so many women to their deaths. It's amazing what a person can get away with if he has a dazzling smile.
** Even scarier is that some of them knew exactly what kind of person he was, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia just found this extremely sexy]]. It's disturbing how many women elevate serial killers to heartthrob status. AllGirlsWantBadBoys played to its skin-crawling extreme -- and Bundy is not the only SerialKiller (or any type of murderer) to be bombarded with love letters. Richard Ramirez, aka The Night Stalker, terrorized California for months with a series of brutal murders, yet eventually ''married'' one of his many groupies. Scott Peterson continues to receive large amounts of money from lovestruck women, even as he sits on death row for the murder of his pregnant wife, and within months of his wife disappearing (the ''second'' of his four wives to meet with foul play at his hand), Drew Peterson was engaged.
** Males aren't exempt from this stupidity either. Karla Homolka and her husband raped and murdered several young women, including her ''sister''. She gained early release from prison by claiming (falsely) that she'd been an unwilling participant and married one of her admirers. Meanwhile, Casey Anthony (who in all likelihood, killed her daughter, despite being found not guilty) received numerous love letters from men begging her "Will you be my girlfriend?"

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* Every woman who sent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy Ted Bundy Bundy]] love letters and wedding proposals while he was on trial for serial murder; Bundy was in fact a charming, charismatic, and handsome individual, which is how he was able to lure so many women to their deaths. It's amazing what a person can get away with if he has a dazzling smile.
** Even scarier is that some of them knew exactly what kind of person he was, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia just found this extremely sexy]]. It's disturbing how many women elevate serial killers to heartthrob status. AllGirlsWantBadBoys played to its skin-crawling extreme -- and Bundy is not the only SerialKiller (or any type of murderer) to be bombarded with love letters. letters:
*** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez
Richard Ramirez, Ramirez]], aka The Night Stalker, terrorized California for months with a series of brutal murders, yet eventually ''married'' one of his many groupies. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson Scott Peterson Peterson]] continues to receive large amounts of money from lovestruck women, even as he sits on death row for the murder of his pregnant wife, and within months of his wife disappearing (the ''second'' of his four wives to meet with foul play at his hand), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Peterson Drew Peterson Peterson]] was engaged.
** *** Males aren't exempt from this stupidity either. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka Karla Homolka Homolka]] and her husband raped and murdered several young women, including her ''sister''. She gained early release from prison by claiming (falsely) that she'd been an unwilling participant and married one of her admirers. Meanwhile, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony Casey Anthony Anthony]] (who in all likelihood, killed her daughter, despite being found not guilty) received numerous love letters from men begging her "Will you be my girlfriend?"
15th Nov '16 7:55:52 AM Dechstreme
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* In ''Manga/Naruto'', there are a few cases of this. The main character himself is rather clueless regarding normal human interactions due to his isolation by the villagers and peers until he became a ninja, so he tended to trust people who showed an outward facade of friendliness; his former teacher Mizuki, who used him to steal the Forbidden Scroll and then planned to kill Naruto, and Kabuto, who was an agent for Orochimaru for years and only pretended to be funny. Ironically, Sasuke was the only one from Team 7 who realized there was something off about Kabuto before his second encounter with his brother. The biggest example, however, [[spoiler: would be the Third Hokage, who actually allowed Danzo to reform ROOT after the Fourth Hokage had disbanded the shadow group because he felt he needed someone to take care of the dirty deeds that couldn't be linked to the village. Danzo schemed for years to oust Sarutobi to become Hokage himself, going as far as seeking assistance from foreign powers to do so, enabling Orochimaru's experiments, and even forced the Uchiha coup to be unable to resolve peacefully by removing the eye of Uchiha Shisui, who planned to use it to pacify his clan, only to transplant it to himself so he could use it's superior hypnotic capabilities to get his way.]]

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* In ''Manga/Naruto'', ''[[Manga/Naruto]]'', there are a few cases of this. this:
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The main character himself is a rare justified example. He's rather clueless regarding normal human interactions due to his isolation by the villagers and peers until he became a ninja, so he tended to trust people who showed an outward facade of friendliness; his friendliness (he was very starved for positive attention). His former teacher Mizuki, who used him appeared to be the nice teacher to Umino Iruka's SternTeacher, tricked Naruto into steal the Forbidden Scroll and then planned to kill Naruto, him, and Kabuto, who was an agent for Orochimaru for years and only pretended to be funny.a friendly upperclassman. Ironically, Sasuke was the only one from Team 7 who realized there was something off about Kabuto before his second encounter with his brother.
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The biggest example, however, [[spoiler: however, would be the [[spoiler:the Third Hokage, who actually allowed Shimura Danzo to reform ROOT after the Fourth Hokage had disbanded the shadow group group, because he felt he needed someone to take care of the dirty deeds that couldn't be linked to the village. The Fourth ended up being right in not trusting ROOT; Danzo schemed for years to oust Sarutobi to become Hokage himself, going as far as seeking assistance from foreign powers to do so, enabling Orochimaru's experiments, and even forced the Uchiha coup to be unable to resolve peacefully by removing the eye of Uchiha Shisui, who planned to use it to pacify his clan, only to transplant it to himself so he could use it's superior hypnotic capabilities to get his way.]]
15th Nov '16 7:33:34 AM Dechstreme
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** Of course, Jafar had a hypno staff that he used to manipulate the Sultan, might have been doing it for years, so it's not clear how much of the fiasco was due to the Sultan's naivete and how much of it was because Jafar just hypnotized him into compliance that much.



* ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'': Emperor Kuzco: Not only does he agree to have dinner with Yzma after he both fired and flat-out insulted her, kicking off her scheme of killing and usurping him for control over the empire, but he also believes that she and Kronk are trying to locate and bring him home rather than kill him, as Pacha attempted to warn him. Also, it never seems to occur to him that Yzma could be the one behind his transformation into a llama, even when he knows full well that she has a "secret" laboratory where she would be able to crate a potion that could change him into a different creature. It takes him overhearing Yzma berate Kronk for botching the poison attempt to break him out of this trope.

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* ''Disney/TheEmperorsNewGroove'': Emperor Kuzco: Not only does he agree to have dinner with Yzma after he both fired and flat-out insulted her, kicking off her scheme of killing and usurping him for control over the empire, but he also believes that she and Kronk are trying to locate and bring him home rather than kill him, as Pacha attempted to warn him. Also, it never seems to occur to him that Yzma could be the one behind his transformation into a llama, even when he knows full well that she has a "secret" laboratory where she would be able to crate a potion that could change him into a different creature. It takes him overhearing Yzma berate Kronk for botching the poison attempt to break him out of this trope. Of course, before character development set in, Kuzco was an arrogant, selfish jerk. It's likely he was just so full of himself that he couldn't conceive of Yzma betraying him because of his ego.
14th Nov '16 11:17:09 AM DragonAtma
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* During the 2016 US presidential election, millions on both sides felt the the other side was overrun with this. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Giving more details is a very bad idea.]]
12th Nov '16 6:37:32 PM Dechstreme
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* In ''Manga/Naruto'', there are a few cases of this. The main character himself is rather clueless regarding normal human interactions due to his isolation by the villagers and peers until he became a ninja, so he tended to trust people who showed an outward facade of friendliness; his former teacher Mizuki, who used him to steal the Forbidden Scroll and then planned to kill Naruto, and Kabuto, who was an agent for Orochimaru for years and only pretended to be funny. Ironically, Sasuke was the only one from Team 7 who realized there was something off about Kabuto before his second encounter with his brother. The biggest example, however, [[spoiler: would be the Third Hokage, who actually allowed Danzo to reform ROOT after the Fourth Hokage had disbanded the shadow group because he felt he needed someone to take care of the dirty deeds that couldn't be linked to the village. Danzo schemed for years to oust Sarutobi to become Hokage himself, going as far as seeking assistance from foreign powers to do so, enabling Orochimaru's experiments, and even forced the Uchiha coup to be unable to resolve peacefully by removing the eye of Uchiha Shisui, who planned to use it to pacify his clan, only to transplant it to himself so he could use it's superior hypnotic capabilities to get his way.]]



* Asuna's father in ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' thinks Sugou is a friendly, bright little protege, and arranges a marriage between the two without noticing that his daughter hates the evil bastard. Later, after it becomes clear that Sugou [[spoiler: is the reason Asuna and a hundred others stayed in their comas a few extra months, and that Sugou was planning on brainwashing/raping her]], [[MyGreatestFailure he resigns from his position as CEO, and Asuna is only barely able to convince him not to retire outright]].

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* Asuna's father in ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' thinks Sugou is a friendly, bright little protege, and arranges a marriage between the two without noticing that his daughter hates the evil bastard. Later, after it becomes clear that Sugou [[spoiler: is the reason Asuna and a hundred others stayed in their comas a few extra months, and that Sugou was planning on brainwashing/raping her]], [[MyGreatestFailure he resigns from his position as CEO, and Asuna is only barely able to convince him not to retire outright]]. Of course, Sugou made sure to act like an honest, kind man to his boss, and only let the facade drop in front of Kirito, whom he believed wouldn't be able to do anything about the marriage.
5th Nov '16 1:15:08 PM Morgenthaler
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** Mara Jade is typically a decent judge of character, but not necessarily when it comes to the Emperor. In ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'', while in his presence Mara thinks of him as a "wise and good man", for all that there are all kinds of little hints that she knows very well that he's not. She ''is'' an Emperor's Hand, a Force-Sensitive agent who can hear his commands from anywhere in the galaxy, and it's not hard to imagine that he messed with her head. [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy Five years after his death]], she's more angry at Luke for killing Palpatine because this destroyed her way of life and because his last command still echoes in her head. Not so much because a good man wisely leading the galaxy was killed, and in fact between the evidence and his waning influence she's rather messed up. In ''SurvivorsQuest'' she finds herself working with the [[BadassCrew Aurek Seven stormtroopers]] and gets a little nostalgic for the Empire until she goes into the storage core of ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' and sees all of these supplies stacked up, on Palpatine's order, for fifty thousand people he was arranging to kill.

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** Mara Jade is typically a decent judge of character, but not necessarily when it comes to the Emperor. In ''Literature/{{Allegiance}}'', while in his presence Mara thinks of him as a "wise and good man", for all that there are all kinds of little hints that she knows very well that he's not. She ''is'' an Emperor's Hand, a Force-Sensitive agent who can hear his commands from anywhere in the galaxy, and it's not hard to imagine that he messed with her head. [[Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy Five years after his death]], she's more angry at Luke for killing Palpatine because this destroyed her way of life and because his last command still echoes in her head. Not so much because a good man wisely leading the galaxy was killed, and in fact between the evidence and his waning influence she's rather messed up. In ''SurvivorsQuest'' ''Literature/SurvivorsQuest'' she finds herself working with the [[BadassCrew Aurek Seven stormtroopers]] and gets a little nostalgic for the Empire until she goes into the storage core of ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' and sees all of these supplies stacked up, on Palpatine's order, for fifty thousand people he was arranging to kill.
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