History Main / HorribleJudgeOfCharacter

27th Mar '17 8:29:43 AM Nohbody
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* UsefulNotes/WarrenHarding, whose Secretary of the Interior, Albert Bacon Fall, leased tons of land to his buddies in exchange for massive bribes in the Teapot-Dome Scandal, which was the worst scandal in American politics [[UsefulNotes/RichardNixon until Watergate]].
* Nearly 50 years earlier, UsefulNotes/UlyssesSGrant saw the second term of his presidency marred by corruption scandals involving several members of his Cabinet; despite the fact Grant himself was honest.
* Jefferson Davis was this as well -- he thought himself a great judge of character, while really he was mostly just a great judge of who liked him and who didn't.
* Sadly, it is not uncommon for a man or woman in an abusive relationship to be stigmatized as this trope, especially if the manipulator still [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou has them convinced]] that [[SorryIFellOnYourFist the abuse isn't]]. While true stupidity and massive lapses in judgment happen, it is important to remember that victims of a good manipulator can fall all over the spectrums of cleverness and personality type. Tropes don't cover it.
** Similar to this, another unfortunate (more specific) example can come in the form of someone who has been raped - sometimes as a child, but sometimes not - in the past. Some survivors describe it as their "filter being broken" due to the rape.
* Every woman who sent [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy Ted Bundy]] love letters and wedding proposals while he was on trial for serial murder; Bundy was in fact a charming, charismatic, and handsome individual, which is how he was able to lure so many women to their deaths. It's amazing what a person can get away with if he has a dazzling smile.
** Even scarier is that some of them knew exactly what kind of person he was, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia just found this extremely sexy]]. It's disturbing how many women elevate serial killers to heartthrob status. This is AllGirlsWantBadBoys played to its skin-crawling extreme. And just as the hype died down, the casting of the gorgeous Creator/MarkHarmon as Bundy in the miniseries ''The Deliberate Stranger'' resulted in a new onslaught of such behavior.
* Bundy is not the only SerialKiller (or any type of murderer) to be bombarded with love letters:
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez Richard Ramirez]], aka The Night Stalker, terrorized California for months with a series of brutal murders, yet eventually ''married'' one of his many groupies.
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Peterson Scott Peterson]] continues to receive large amounts of money from lovestruck women, even as he sits on death row for the murder of his pregnant wife.
** Within months of his wife disappearing (the ''second'' of his four wives to meet with foul play at his hand), [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Peterson Drew Peterson]] was engaged.
* Males aren't exempt from this stupidity either:
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Homolka Karla Homolka]] and her husband raped and murdered several young women, including her ''sister''. She gained early release from prison by claiming (falsely) that she'd been an unwilling participant and married one of her admirers.
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Caylee_Anthony Casey Anthony]] (who in all likelihood, killed her daughter, despite being found not guilty) received numerous love letters from men begging her "Will you be my girlfriend?"
* During UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, Franklin Roosevelt felt that he could trust Joseph Stalin more than Winston Churchill, in part due to his desire to dismantle the British Empire, and therefore didn't pressure Stalin as much as he might have regarding the shape of postwar Europe. Obviously, he died before the end of the war, but felt bitterly disillusioned shortly before his death.
** Lenin felt like Stalin was the man for the job for many things. He put him in charge of Georgia, then Stalin had the Mensheviks executed (which Lenin didn't want). In short, Stalin was a ManipulativeBastard and Lenin only realized his mistake (if he did) shortly before his death when he made his testament (which the Stalinists thought was a fraud).
* It seems like 80 or 90% of any decent-sized fandom is this, [[DracoInLeatherPants if the shipping is anything to go by]]. Come up with the most [[CrackPairing ridiculous, bizarre, incompatible pairing]] and [[{{Rule34}} there will be someone who thinks it's a great idea]]. Character be damned.
** You could argue that that has more to do with the fans living out vicarious fantasies- they may be well aware that the pairing makes no sense, but they just want to see it happen to satisfy their own PerverseSexualLust.
** Same thing for how fans interpret WordOfGod. They seem to scream DeathOfTheAuthor when said author is usually truthful in what he says, yet authors that tend to lie and troll their fans seem to have everyone taking their every word as gospel truth no matter how often it turns out to be a lie. Fans are generally really, really bad at figuring out the character and values of creators.
** {{Hatedom}}s are this at the other end of the extreme: Whatever they hate has ''no'' redeeming qualities whatsoever, and to hell with the facts.
* Many Western European politicians and intellectuals (Churchill included) saw Hitler as the right man for Germany - at least initially. An excerpt from [[BunnyEarsLawyer William Lyon Mackenzie King's]][[note]]Keep in mind that King in particular was unable to, or even refused to, realize what kind of man Hitler really was even as everyone else changed their minds[[/note]] diary: "[[[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]]] is really one who truly loves his fellow-men, and his country, and would make any sacrifice for their good...the world will yet come to see a very great man–mystic in Hitler..."
** Josef Stalin was genuinely shocked, to the point that he supposedly went on a [[DrowningMySorrows week-long drinking binge to cope]], when Hitler double-crossed him. This really needs stressing. Josef "Paranoia" Stalin of the Great Purges, who liquidated his pre-revolutionary Bolshevik comrades, who had thousands of his own people shot and starved because he thought they ''might'' be plotting against him. ''He'' trusted ''Adolf Hitler'' to keep his bargain.
** From the other end, Hitler and the Nazi high command also trusted their spies without question, even though ''every one'' of them had become a DoubleAgent for the British very early on.
** At the start of Hitler's time in power, political establishment figures such as President Paul von Hindenburg and former Chancellor Franz von Papen thought that the new Chancellor would be easily manipulable, open to persuasion, and that he would defer to the experience of men who, unlike him, had held political office before. Papen even boasted "we've bought him". Hitler, of course, turned out to be TheDeterminator who refused to compromise on anything, ran political rings around men like Hindenburg and Papen, became effective dictator of Germany within ''two months'' of assuming the Chancellorship, and thoroughly sidelined those who had tried to control him. That was all before the Night of the Long Knives around a year later, when a large number of old elite figures (though neither Hindenburg nor Papen were among them) were arrested and/or brutally murdered by the SS.
* Pretty much all dictators come to power this way because the people in the country think they look like a pretty cool guy.
* Gaston Glock, founder of the Glock handgun manufacturer. When he was first setting up the distribution side of the business, he met a businessman in Luxembourg, Charles Ewert, who convinced him he could help. Later, in July 1999, Ewert hired a French contract killer to murder him, in order to prevent him from uncovering the large embezzlement of company funds. Despite getting beaten badly with a mallet, Mr. Glock survived, kicking his attacker and driving him off; his attacker was given 17 years in jail, and Ewert 20 for hiring him.
* During the Three Kingdoms Era of China, Shu Kingdom's Prime Minister Zhuge Liang, despite being a military genius in the battlefield, was this according to his legendary nemesis, Wei Kingdom General Sima Yi. During the Battle of Jie Ting, Sima Yi banked on Liang to make the mistake of choosing an inspiring yet inept commander who would make a mistake he could exploit. The mistake that the commander made dealt such a huge blow to Shu that Zhuge was forced to execute him.
* UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte appears as this in the writings of many of his admirers who, taking their cue from his own memoirs, liked to blame his reverses on the alleged incompetence, if not the outright treachery of key subordinates in order to present him as an infallible military and political leader. But these subordinates would only have been able to do the damage ascribed to them because Napoleon himself appointed them to their positions...
* During the 2016 US presidential election, millions on both sides felt the the other side was overrun with this. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Giving more details is a very bad idea.]]
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25th Mar '17 9:58:05 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': [[CreatorsPet Lana Lang]]. Even the usually GenreSavvy Chloe Sullivan does this on occasion towards [[spoiler:Ian and Davis Bloome]]. Maybe LoveMakesYouDumb.

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* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': [[CreatorsPet Lana Lang]]. Even the usually GenreSavvy savvy Chloe Sullivan does this on occasion towards [[spoiler:Ian and Davis Bloome]]. Maybe LoveMakesYouDumb.
24th Mar '17 10:45:20 AM gb00393
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** Catelyn fails to see Tyrion as the TokenGoodTeammate of House Lannister at least partially because she completely trusts Littlefinger, which is an even greater mistake. She's absolutely right about Theon though.

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** Catelyn is actually quite astute, warning Robb about crossing the Greyjoys (she turns out to be absolutely right about Theon) and the Freys. But she makes several terrible errors of judgment with dangerous consequences (usually, in her defense, not without some good reasons).
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fails to see Tyrion as the TokenGoodTeammate of House Lannister at least partially because she completely trusts Littlefinger, which is an even greater mistake. She's mistake.
*** Speaking of Littlefinger (the aforementioned UnluckyChildhoodFriend) she has absolute trust in him, but he is behind pretty much everything bad that happens in the series. She vouches for him before her skeptical husband, leading directly to Ned's capture and execution.
*** Even though she doesn't fully trust Walder Frey, she has absolute faith that Walder Frey would never let any harm come to her. However, breaking SacredHospitality is practically unheard of in Westeros so it's not unreasonable that she would never dream that he would stoop that low, though her book counterpart is fully aware of his sneakiness.
*** Also of her sister. Catelyn seemed to trust in her
absolutely right about Theon though.when she blamed the Lannisters for Jon Arryn's death and believed that Tyrion would receive a fair trial if brought to her. In her defense, she hadn't seen her in quite some time. It's not until they meet again does she realize how crazy her sister has become.
23rd Mar '17 3:58:39 PM gb00393
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** In spite of all his other mistakes, Eddard Stark could have succeeded if he had not trusted one particular person. This comes partially from his wife's equally horrible misjudgement of the same character because he was her UnluckyChildhoodFriend. But of course, unlike the audience, neither of them were privy to his {{Sexposition}} InfoDump on his motivations.

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** In spite of all his other mistakes, Eddard Stark could have succeeded if he had not trusted one particular person. person despite that person hating him for marrying their childhood crush (and that's not even going into their whole duel with his eldest brother which humiliated them). WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong This comes partially from his wife's equally horrible misjudgement of the same character precisely because he was her UnluckyChildhoodFriend. But of course, unlike the audience, neither of them were privy to his {{Sexposition}} InfoDump on his motivations.
22nd Mar '17 9:32:41 PM kome360
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**** GundamUnicorn says "YES". According to various Zeon scholars, Moar Terrorists = Moar fascist defense funding for various Federation bureaucrats! And the ones that are smart enough to realize they're giving too much backing to the terrorists are usually killed by the series' protagonists.
22nd Mar '17 8:18:05 PM dmcreif
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*** The whole reason Karen Page takes an interest in Frank Castle during the second half of season 2 is because she's trying to use his actions to justify her killing James Wesley in season 1. She believes that deep down, Frank was a good man, albeit heavily troubled and traumatized, despite everyone - Matt, Foggy, even Frank himself - telling her that he legitimately ENJOYS killing people. Her reaction to witnessing Frank using her as bait to lure two of the Blacksmith's men to a diner so he can brutally kill them is the realization that she's horribly wrong about her assumption that Frank is a good person.
*** Leland Owlsley believes that Wilson Fisk's attachment to Vanessa Marianna is clouding his judgment and distracting him, causing him to act illogically. Later, after trying to have Vanessa killed by poisoning, he approaches Fisk trying to blackmail him. Leland's ploy relies on the same 'questionable judgment' Fisk reacting logically to being blackmailed...right after Fisk noticed his tells and poked holes in his excuse using logic. It ends with Fisk throwing him down an elevator shaft.

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***Matt Murdock has a shade of this when it comes to attractive women. He knows that Karen Page is innocent because he can read her heartbeat. Foggy though, thinks Matt is attracted to Karen and that's letting him cloud his judgment:
--->'''Foggy Nelson:''' You don't necessarily show the best judgement when beautiful women are involved, Matt.
--->'''Matt Murdock:''' [[BlindJustice How would I even know if she's a beautiful woman?]]
--->'''Foggy Nelson:''' I don't know. It's kinda spooky, actually! All I know is that if there's a stunning woman of questionable morality in the room, Matt Murdock is going to find her, and Foggy Nelson is going to suffer.
***Foggy's line takes on more meaning in season 2, once we learn about Matt's initial fling with Elektra. Matt nearly ruined his future because of how much of a bad influence Elektra was on him, with her trying to make Matt a killer by presenting him with Roscoe Sweeney, who ordered his father's death. Matt broke it off then, and when she returns seeking for Matt to help her and Stick fight the Hand, she proves to be as negative an influence as before, causing Matt to self-destruct his firm and strain his friendships with Foggy and Karen.
*** The whole reason Karen Page takes an interest in Frank Castle during the second half of season 2 is because she's trying to use his actions to justify her killing James Wesley in season 1. She believes that deep down, Frank was a good man, albeit heavily troubled and traumatized, despite everyone - Matt, Foggy, even Frank himself - telling her that he legitimately ENJOYS killing people. Her reaction to witnessing Frank using her as bait to lure two of the Blacksmith's men to a diner [[DinerBrawl so he can brutally kill them them]] is the realization that she's horribly wrong about her assumption that Frank is a good person.
*** Leland Owlsley believes that Wilson Fisk's attachment to Vanessa Marianna is clouding his judgment and distracting him, causing him to act illogically. Later, after trying to have Vanessa killed by poisoning, he approaches Fisk trying to blackmail him. Leland's ploy relies on the same 'questionable judgment' Fisk reacting logically to being blackmailed...right after Fisk noticed his tells and poked holes in his excuse using logic. [[DestinationDefenestration It ends with Fisk throwing him down an elevator shaft.shaft]].



*** Misty Knight has complete and utter faith in her partner Rafael Scarfe, and doesn't believe he's a DirtyCop until it's too late to save him. She also jumps to the worst conclusions as far as Luke is concerned, and only accepts that he is a good guy after she learns who Willis Stryker is. After roughing up Claire in custody, her commanding officer makes her sit down with a therapist to talk her problems out, and he calls her on her misjudgments:

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*** Misty Knight has complete and utter faith in her partner Rafael Scarfe, and doesn't believe he's a DirtyCop until it's too late to save him. She also jumps to the worst conclusions as far as Luke is concerned, concerned (although this is somewhat understandable given that the first she knew of Luke was that he worked as a bartender at Cottonmouth's nightclub, and as a result may have thought he worked for Cottonmouth). She only accepts that he Luke is a good guy after she learns who Willis Stryker is. After roughing up Claire in custody, her commanding officer makes her sit down with a therapist to talk her problems out, and he calls her on her misjudgments:



*** Mariah Dillard initially goes into business with Diamondback by rationalizing that as Luke is their common enemy, they'll make good partners. She soon gets buyer's remorse as Diamondback shows a habit of using bloodthirsty tactics that lead to unnecessary carnage. After Diamondback kills a police officer, and then improvises a HostageSituation when making an attempt on Luke at Harlem's Paradise, Mariah and Shades decide that they've had enough of Diamondback and turn against him.

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*** Mariah Dillard initially goes into business with Diamondback by rationalizing that as Luke is their common enemy, they'll make good partners. She soon quickly gets buyer's remorse as Diamondback shows a habit of using bloodthirsty tactics that lead to unnecessary carnage. After Diamondback kills a police officer, and then improvises a HostageSituation when making an attempt on trying to kill Luke and Misty at Harlem's Paradise, Mariah and Shades decide that they've had enough he is out of Diamondback control, and turn against him.
18th Mar '17 7:18:29 AM RighteousFury
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** [[LightNovel/FateZero The prequel]] has both Tohsaka's and ''his own'' father become guilty of this in regards to Kotomine.
16th Mar '17 5:14:04 PM TroperBeDoper
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* Franchise/{{Superman}}: The braintrust in charge of the cloning programs in ''ComicBook/SupermanAtEarthsEnd'' decided to pass over the likes of ElvisPresley, ComicBook/LexLuthor, and UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, to [[YouClonedHitler clone Hitler]]. ''Twice''.

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* Franchise/{{Superman}}: The braintrust in charge of the cloning programs in ''ComicBook/SupermanAtEarthsEnd'' decided to pass over the likes of ElvisPresley, Music/ElvisPresley, ComicBook/LexLuthor, and UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy, to [[YouClonedHitler clone Hitler]]. ''Twice''.
16th Mar '17 12:51:21 PM morenohijazo
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* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'': The Caliph has Iznogoud as a vizier. You do the math.

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* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'': The Caliph has Iznogoud - a man who tries to carry out an evil scheme to get rid of him on any day ending in "Y" - as a vizier.his grand vizier and most trusted adviser. You do the math.
13th Mar '17 11:56:26 PM AielareME
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* In [[Literature/TheBible The Book of Esther]], Ahasuerus did't realize that his vizier Haman is an EvilChancellor, even when he tried to wipe out all the Jews in Persia, until Ahasuerus realized that this would also include his wife, the titular Esther. He trusted Haman so much that all Haman had to say was "let me take care of this group of non-law-abiders", and he got ''the king's signet ring to use''.

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* In [[Literature/TheBible The Book of Esther]], Ahasuerus did't didn't realize that his vizier Haman is an EvilChancellor, even when he tried to wipe out all the Jews in Persia, until Ahasuerus realized that this would also include his wife, the titular Esther. He trusted Haman so much that all Haman had to say was "let me take care of this group of non-law-abiders", and he got ''the king's signet ring to use''.
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