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18th Oct '17 3:46:56 PM LtFedora
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* ''Fanfic/AlongCameASpider'': The Clans' leaders plan assumes that they'll require only a fraction of their forces to sweep across the Inner Sphere due to their superior training and weapons. [[spoilers: It doesn't quite work out that way]]

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* ''Fanfic/AlongCameASpider'': The Clans' leaders plan assumes that they'll require only a fraction of their forces to sweep across the Inner Sphere due to their superior training and weapons. [[spoilers: [[spoiler: It doesn't quite work out that way]]
18th Oct '17 3:46:21 PM LtFedora
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* ''Fanfic/AlongCameASpider'': The Clans' leaders plan assumes that they'll require only a fraction of their forces to sweep across the Inner Sphere due to their superior training and weapons. [[Spoiler: It doesn't quite work out that way]]
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* ''Fanfic/AlongCameASpider'': The Clans' leaders plan assumes that they'll require only a fraction of their forces to sweep across the Inner Sphere due to their superior training and weapons. [[Spoiler: [[spoilers: It doesn't quite work out that way]]
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29th Sep '17 8:42:42 PM drakensis
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* ''Fanfic/AlongCameASpider'': The Clans' leaders plan assumes that they'll require only a fraction of their forces to sweep across the Inner Sphere due to their superior training and weapons. [[Spoiler: It doesn't quite work out that way]]
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24th Sep '17 9:01:12 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* The start of UsefulNotes/WorldWarI is probably the most {{egregious}} example. All sides were confident that their soldiers would come home victoriously within months - as we all know, nothing of the kind happened, and the war lasted four ''years''.
** The Central Powers' reasoning for an ''Aufmarsch II West''-offensive was not as moronic as it sounds if one limits oneself to just their knowledge and logic - bar the bits about food-consumption, minimum troop numbers required for success, and just general ''odds of success''. The German General Staff consistently favoured [[WhatAnIdiot courses of action with the best possible outcomes, rather than those with the best chances of success]] - in their minds a plan in which Germany was sure to gain a slight strategic advantage (e.g. Aufmarsch II West Defensive, Aufmarsch I/II Ost Defensive) was inferior to a plan in which Germany had a slight chance of gaining a huge strategic advantage (Aufmarsch I/II West-offensive). The fact Italy was originally supposed to attack France at the same time, [[MortonsFork thus forcing the French to choose which one they'd allow free reign while trying to stop the other]], thus actually ''having a good chance to succeed'' had Italy not decided to sit it out.

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* The start of UsefulNotes/WorldWarI is probably the most {{egregious}} example. All sides were confident that their soldiers would come home victoriously within months - -- as we all know, nothing of the kind happened, and the war lasted four gruelling, blood-soaked ''years''.
** The Central Powers' reasoning for an ''Aufmarsch II West''-offensive was not as moronic as it sounds if one limits oneself to just their knowledge and logic - -- bar the bits about food-consumption, minimum troop numbers required for success, and just general ''odds of success''. The German General Staff consistently favoured [[WhatAnIdiot courses of action with the best possible outcomes, rather than those with the best chances of success]] - -- in their minds a plan in which Germany was sure to gain a slight strategic advantage (e.g. Aufmarsch II West Defensive, Aufmarsch I/II Ost Defensive) was inferior to a plan in which Germany had a slight chance of gaining a huge strategic advantage (Aufmarsch I/II West-offensive). The fact Italy was originally supposed to attack France at the same time, [[MortonsFork thus forcing the French to choose which one they'd allow free reign while trying to stop the other]], thus actually ''having a good chance to succeed'' had Italy not decided to sit it out.
18th Jul '17 4:14:46 AM AgProv
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*** Operation Market Garden had much more complex reasons for being initiated, as well. Eisenhower felt that he ''had'' to launch the operation to appease ''his'' superiors (the civilian politicians who wanted the war over as quickly as possible). He felt that a more measured approach, steadily winning ground from the Germans, would have been better, but he instead committed most of his forces to the operation in an attempt to secure a route straight to Berlin. In fairness, had the operation succeeded, the war ''would'' have been over by Christmas of 1944, possibly long before. The failure of the operation and the sheer amount of resources committed to it, which then tied up ''more'' resources in an attempt to save the men who were cut off from Allied aid, meant that the war would drag on until May 1945.

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*** Operation Market Garden had much more complex reasons for being initiated, as well. Eisenhower felt that he ''had'' to launch the operation to appease ''his'' superiors (the civilian politicians who wanted the war over as quickly as possible). [[note]]Eisenhower was also aware of the need to appease the British, who were increassingly offended at being relegated to a subordinate place in what was fast becoming an American-led war. Giving his troublesome subordinate Usefulnotes/BernardLawMontgomery a major role that flattered his ego, kept him occupied, and well away from George Patton, was also a consideration.[[/note]] He felt that a more measured approach, steadily winning ground from the Germans, would have been better, but he instead committed most of his forces to the operation in an attempt to secure a route straight to Berlin. In fairness, had the operation succeeded, the war ''would'' have been over by Christmas of 1944, possibly long before. The failure of the operation and the sheer amount of resources committed to it, which then tied up ''more'' resources in an attempt to save the men who were cut off from Allied aid, meant that the war would drag on until May 1945.
22nd Jun '17 11:10:11 AM JackG
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* Discussed in Australian film ''The Lighthorsemen'' (1987). When a soldier snaps at the NewMeat, "What do ''you'' know about war?", the man snarks back that at least he didn't think it would be over by Christmas.

21st Jun '17 11:53:10 PM LtFedora
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10th Jun '17 3:48:33 AM EDP
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** The Central Powers' reasoning for an ''Aufmarsch II West''-offensive was not as moronic as it sounds if one limits oneself to just their knowledge and logic - bar the bits about food-consumption, minimum troop numbers required for success, and just general ''odds of success''. The German General Staff consistently favoured [[WhatAnIdiot courses of action with the best possible outcomes, rather than those with the best chances of success]] - in their minds a plan in which Germany was sure to gain a slight strategic advantage (e.g. Aufmarsch II West Defensive, Aufmarsch I/II Ost Defensive) was inferior to a plan in which Germany had a slight chance of gaining a huge strategic advantage (Aufmarsch I/II West-offensive).

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** The Central Powers' reasoning for an ''Aufmarsch II West''-offensive was not as moronic as it sounds if one limits oneself to just their knowledge and logic - bar the bits about food-consumption, minimum troop numbers required for success, and just general ''odds of success''. The German General Staff consistently favoured [[WhatAnIdiot courses of action with the best possible outcomes, rather than those with the best chances of success]] - in their minds a plan in which Germany was sure to gain a slight strategic advantage (e.g. Aufmarsch II West Defensive, Aufmarsch I/II Ost Defensive) was inferior to a plan in which Germany had a slight chance of gaining a huge strategic advantage (Aufmarsch I/II West-offensive). The fact Italy was originally supposed to attack France at the same time, [[MortonsFork thus forcing the French to choose which one they'd allow free reign while trying to stop the other]], thus actually ''having a good chance to succeed'' had Italy not decided to sit it out.
10th May '17 12:17:44 PM LtFedora
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Tales from the Public Domain," Homer starts the Joan of Arc story by saying the Hundred Years War was originally called "Operation Speedy Resolution."
18th Apr '17 5:57:24 PM nombretomado
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* ''Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'': during a two parter where a cast member's brother is being held hostage in Afghanistan, we see a FlashBack, during which the President of the network (who was only a VP then) opines that the war will be over in a month.

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* ''Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'': ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'': during a two parter where a cast member's brother is being held hostage in Afghanistan, we see a FlashBack, during which the President of the network (who was only a VP then) opines that the war will be over in a month.
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