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16th Sep '16 1:33:00 AM Omeganian
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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4563333/1/For-The-Greater-Good For The Greater Good]]'' by [[https://www.fanfiction.net/u/956921/marietsy2 marietsy2]], it turns out that [[RonTheDeathEater Dumbledore]], after winning a PyrrhicVictory against Grindelwald (he waited too long, believing that he can gain more glory by defeating Gellert after he causes more destruction), had summoned [[DeusExMachina Gaia]], who promised to hit a ResetButton for him... on the condition that he fails to defeat the new darkness rising, he will not just be killed, but [[YourSoulIsMine his soul will be Gaia's]]. After Harry wins a PyrrhicVictory as well, once again thanks to Dumbledore, Gaia comes in to collect what was promised... The test wasn't for Dumbledore to defeat Voldemort, since that was Harry's task, but to defeat the darkness within himself, by raising Harry personally, in a loving home. And with all the consequences, she deems his actions sufficient for him to be killed, [[CessationOfExistence obliterated]] and retconned out of existence.
4th Jul '16 1:55:09 PM AtticusOmundson
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->'''Jay:''' Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hangin' from the streetlight, and then I realized, you know, he's just working out. How would I feel if somebody come runnin' in the gym, bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this, uh, snarling beast guy. Then I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I realized, you know, he's not snarling; he's ''sneezing''. You know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinkin', you know, eight-year-old, white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night, with quantum physics books? She 'bout to start some shit, Zed. She's about eights years old; those books are ''way'' too advanced for her! If you ask me, I say she's up to something.

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->'''Jay:''' Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hangin' from the streetlight, and then I realized, you know, he's just working out. How would I feel if somebody come runnin' in the gym, bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this, uh, snarling beast guy. Then I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I realized, you know, he's not snarling; he's ''sneezing''. You know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinkin', you know, eight-year-old, white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night, with quantum physics books? She 'bout to start some shit, Zed. She's about eights eight years old; those books are ''way'' too advanced for her! If you ask me, I say she's up to something.
14th Jun '16 2:08:20 AM coralina33
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* This trope is the entire foundation of the 2004 movie ''D.E.B.S'', in which a secret test is hidden in the American S.A.T.s which measures the students aptitude for spying. All those who pass the hidden test are given the opportunity (which nobody, it seems, turns down) to become a D.E.B. It is not shown where the boys who pass the test are sent, or why there is a Frenchgirl taking the S.A.T.s.

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* This trope is the entire foundation of the 2004 movie ''D.''[[Film/{{DEBS}} D.E.B.S'', S.]]'', in which a secret test is hidden in the American S.A.T.s which measures the students aptitude for spying. All those who pass the hidden test are given the opportunity (which nobody, it seems, turns down) to become a D.E.B. It is not shown where the boys who pass the test are sent, or why there is a Frenchgirl taking the S.A.T.s.
25th May '16 6:48:30 PM HypnoticMeerkat
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* Trent Reznor asks guitarists auditioning for NineInchNails to play the main riff to "Terrible Lie," which is only two notes long. The reason he makes them play such an easy song is that he's not testing their technical proficiency, but their attitude on stage. According to him, the riff isn't really "B -- C#," it's "Fuck -- you."

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* Trent Reznor asks guitarists auditioning for NineInchNails Music/NineInchNails to play the main riff to "Terrible Lie," which is only two notes long. The reason he makes them play such an easy song is that he's not testing their technical proficiency, but their attitude on stage. According to him, the riff isn't really "B -- C#," it's "Fuck -- you."
19th May '16 5:03:19 PM nombretomado
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* ''MurderSheWrote'' episode "Test of Wills": Jessica Fletcher is called in by a wealthy man to find out which of his heirs is trying to kill him. When he suddenly dies, she tries to discover the murderer. In the end it turns out that [[spoiler:the man only pretended to die, in order to smoke out the killer]].
* On ''XenaWarriorPrincess'', an arrogant new warlady wants to replace Xena as Ares' favored human, so he lets the two of them fight it out in a special isolated dimension. Ares says that either of them can just call his name at any time if they need his help. Eventually the other warlady does so, and Ares appears only to reveal that by being the first who had to call for help, she's lost. "[[ExactWords I said you could]]. I didn't say you should."

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* ''MurderSheWrote'' ''Series/MurderSheWrote'' episode "Test of Wills": Jessica Fletcher is called in by a wealthy man to find out which of his heirs is trying to kill him. When he suddenly dies, she tries to discover the murderer. In the end it turns out that [[spoiler:the man only pretended to die, in order to smoke out the killer]].
* On ''XenaWarriorPrincess'', ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'', an arrogant new warlady wants to replace Xena as Ares' favored human, so he lets the two of them fight it out in a special isolated dimension. Ares says that either of them can just call his name at any time if they need his help. Eventually the other warlady does so, and Ares appears only to reveal that by being the first who had to call for help, she's lost. "[[ExactWords I said you could]]. I didn't say you should."
11th May '16 2:10:13 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'' had [[HeroicComedicSociopath Hiruma]] staging a test to eliminate the many people who want to join the team. The test is to carry a bag of ice to the top of Tokyo Tower within a day. However, Hiruma set it so it was very difficult (but not impossible) to reach the top. Such as adding sugar to the ice to make it melt faster, certain floors have the temperatures raised to alarming levels and being chased by Hiruma's vicious AngryGuardDog. When asked about the unfairness of the test, Hiruma stated that he was looking for [[TheDeterminator those with determination]] who can make it to the top, regardless of how difficult or challenging the test was.

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* ''Manga/{{Eyeshield 21}}'' had [[HeroicComedicSociopath Hiruma]] staging a test to eliminate the many people who want to join the team. The test is to carry a bag of ice to the top of Tokyo Tower TokyoTower within a day. However, Hiruma set it so it was very difficult (but not impossible) to reach the top. Such as adding sugar to the ice to make it melt faster, certain floors have the temperatures raised to alarming levels and being chased by Hiruma's vicious AngryGuardDog. When asked about the unfairness of the test, Hiruma stated that he was looking for [[TheDeterminator those with determination]] who can make it to the top, regardless of how difficult or challenging the test was. [[spoiler: So Hiruma and Co. wait until sundown for ''anyone'' who's strongwilled enough to fill the task no matter what; the last one is [[WeakButSkilled Yuki]][[GeekPhysics mitsu]], who arrives as the sun's setting and has lost all the ice in his bag, but makes it into the team anyway.]]
23rd Apr '16 9:52:53 PM Sharlee
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* Dissertation presentations by graduate students are typically followed by a Q-&-A session with the student's thesis committee. While most of the queries are appropriately related to the material presented, it's not unusual for a committee member to intentionally ask the Ph.D. candidate something they ''know'' lies outside the immediate scope of the candidate's research, specifically to see how they'll cope with being grilled on something they hadn't prepared for.
4th Apr '16 8:53:56 AM AtticusOmundson
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->'''Jay:''' Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hangin' from the streetlight, and then I realized, you know, he's just working out. How would I feel if somebody come runnin' gym, bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this, uh, snarling beast guy. Then I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I realized, you know, he's not snarling; he's ''sneezing''. You know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinkin', you know, eight-year-old, white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night, with quantum physics books? She 'bout to start some shit, Zed. She's about eights years old; those books are ''way'' too advanced for her! If you ask me, I say she's up to something.

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->'''Jay:''' Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hangin' from the streetlight, and then I realized, you know, he's just working out. How would I feel if somebody come runnin' in the gym, bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this, uh, snarling beast guy. Then I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I realized, you know, he's not snarling; he's ''sneezing''. You know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinkin', you know, eight-year-old, white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night, with quantum physics books? She 'bout to start some shit, Zed. She's about eights years old; those books are ''way'' too advanced for her! If you ask me, I say she's up to something.
4th Apr '16 8:53:11 AM AtticusOmundson
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->'''Zed:''' May I ask why you felt little Tiffany deserved to die?
->'''Jay:''' Well, she was the only one that actually seemed dangerous at the time, sir.
->'''Zed:''' How'd you come to that conclusion?
->'''Jay:''' Well, first I was gonna pop this guy hangin' from the streetlight, and then I realized, you know, he's just working out. How would I feel if somebody come runnin' gym, bust me in my ass while I'm on the treadmill? Then I saw this, uh, snarling beast guy. Then I noticed he had a tissue in his hand, and I realized, you know, he's not snarling; he's ''sneezing''. You know, ain't no real threat there. Then I saw little Tiffany. I'm thinkin', you know, eight-year-old, white girl, middle of the ghetto, bunch of monsters, this time of night, with quantum physics books? She 'bout to start some shit, Zed. She's about eights years old; those books are ''way'' too advanced for her! If you ask me, I say she's up to something.
-->-- ''Film/MenInBlack''
26th Feb '16 9:16:35 PM NanoMoose
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** Another possible one (again, the movie doesn't confirm either way): Earlier, when presented with a multiple-choice test on paper with no flat surface to write on, he very noisily drags a table over to his chair while everyone else stays where they are and struggles with the difficulty of penciling in their answers on the floppy paper test sheets in their egg-shape chairs.

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** Another possible one (again, the movie doesn't confirm either way): Earlier, when presented with a multiple-choice test on paper with no flat surface to write on, he very noisily drags a table over to his chair while everyone else stays where they are and struggles with the difficulty of penciling pencilling in their answers on the floppy paper test sheets in their egg-shape chairs.



* Parodied in the Literature/{{Discworld}} novel ''Discworld/{{Mort}}''. Death ordered his new apprentice to muck out the stables. After the task is done, Death asks Mort why he had been given this task. Mort correctly comes up with the following reason: Because the stables were filthy and needed to be mucked out.

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* Parodied in the Literature/{{Discworld}} novel ''Discworld/{{Mort}}''. Death ordered his new apprentice to muck out the stables. After the task is done, Death asks Mort why he had been given this task. Mort correctly comes up with the following reason: Because because the stables were filthy and needed to be mucked out.



* The children's book ''The Empty Pot'' is all about this. To find a worthy successor, the aging Emperor of Ancient China distributes seeds to his realm's children, promising that the boy that can grow the most beautiful flower will become the next Emperor. A boy named Ping, who's known for his skill with botany, is heartbroken when he finds out that he can't make his seed grow at all, and is even more dismayed when he brings his empty pot before the Emperor and sees all of the other boys bringing gorgeous flowers. To his surprise, Ping is selected to be the next Emperor. It turns out that the seeds that the Emperor handed out were cooked, and thus incapable of growing into flowers at all. The Emperor was actually testing the children's honesty, not their skill at growing flowers.

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* The children's book ''The Empty Pot'' is all about this. To find a worthy successor, the aging ageing Emperor of Ancient China distributes seeds to his realm's children, promising that the boy that can grow the most beautiful flower will become the next Emperor. A boy named Ping, who's known for his skill with botany, is heartbroken when he finds out that he can't make his seed grow at all, and is even more dismayed when he brings his empty pot before the Emperor and sees all of the other boys bringing gorgeous flowers. To his surprise, Ping is selected to be the next Emperor. It turns out that the seeds that the Emperor handed out were cooked, and thus incapable of growing into flowers at all. The Emperor was actually testing the children's honesty, not their skill at growing flowers.



* The StarTrek novel ''Kobayashi Maru'' has an example that does ''not'' involve the famous no-win scenario. One section is the story of Chekhov when he was a cadet and his class were taken to a training area, assigned stunners, and told that one of the cadets had been secretly [[TrustNoOne designated as a hostile traitor]] who would, if [[ParanoiaFuel given the opportunity, attack the others]]. All the cadets immediately start hunting one another down, with Chekhov being the last survivor. The officer reveals that the cadets had all failed, and told Chekhov what his hero, Jim Kirk, had done. Kirk had organized the cadets into a single group with everyone present, all the weapons were confiscated and placed under guard, and the only cadets armed and allowed to be out of sight were the ones paired on guard duty at any given time. Kirk's reasoning was that if someone not assigned to guard duty tried to grab a weapon or sneak away form the group, they'd out themselves as the traitor. Since the guards were in pairs, if only one of a pair returned from duty, that person would also out themself as a traitor. After telling Chekhov how Kirk did it, the officer then revealed that, of course, that no cadet had secretly been TheMole at all.

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* The StarTrek novel ''Kobayashi Maru'' has an example that does ''not'' involve the famous no-win scenario. One section is the story of Chekhov when he was a cadet and his class were taken to a training area, assigned stunners, and told that one of the cadets had been secretly [[TrustNoOne [[ParanoiaGambit designated as a hostile traitor]] who would, if [[ParanoiaFuel given the opportunity, attack the others]]. All the cadets immediately start hunting one another down, with Chekhov being the last survivor. The officer reveals that the cadets had all failed, and told Chekhov what his hero, Jim Kirk, had done. Kirk had organized the cadets into a single group with everyone present, all the weapons were confiscated and placed under guard, and the only cadets armed and allowed to be out of sight were the ones paired on guard duty at any given time. Kirk's reasoning was that if someone not assigned to guard duty tried to grab a weapon or sneak away form the group, they'd out themselves as the traitor. Since the guards were in pairs, if only one of a pair returned from duty, that person would also out themself as a prove they're the traitor. After telling Chekhov how Kirk did it, the officer then revealed that, of course, that no cadet had secretly been TheMole at all.



* So common in the ''Literature/XWingSeries'' that basically any training exercise that's actually shown in detail is probably training something completely different to what it seems. Of course, there are classical military versions, like the sim in ''Wraith Squadron'' that's actually a drill on responding to changing battle conditions, i.e., the chain of command being destroyed. Wedge is also fond of running pilots who fall into the [[ArrogantKungFuGuy smug ace]] mold through a test that's either strictly impossible without help from their wingmate, or gives an advantage to subsequent fliers (with the jock going first) to demonstrate that the squadron's success is more important than the individual. This comes to its natural conclusion in ''Starfighters of Adumar'' when he uses simulated dueling to teach [[ProudWarriorRace Adumari]] pilots about the New Republic combat ethic.

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* So common in the ''Literature/XWingSeries'' that basically any training exercise that's actually shown in detail is probably almost definitely not training something completely different to what the skill the trainees think it seems.is. Of course, there are classical military versions, like the sim in ''Wraith Squadron'' that's actually a drill on responding to changing battle conditions, i.e., the chain of command being destroyed. Wedge is also fond of running pilots who fall into the [[ArrogantKungFuGuy smug ace]] mold type through a test that's either strictly impossible without help from their wingmate, or gives an advantage to subsequent fliers (with the jock going first) to demonstrate that the squadron's success during the mission is more important than the individual. individual's accolades. This comes to its natural conclusion in ''Starfighters of Adumar'' when he uses simulated dueling duelling to teach [[ProudWarriorRace Adumari]] pilots about the New Republic combat ethic.



** In the episode "Thine Own Self", Deanna Troi repeatedly takes—and fails—the bridge officer's test, unable to come up with {{Technobabble}} fast enough to keep the ship from exploding during the holodeck simulation. She's only able to succeed when she realizes that the test is not whether she can memorize minutiae about the ship's operation but whether she can order someone who has the necessary knowledge to do the task knowing they'll die doing so.

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** In the episode "Thine Own Self", Deanna Troi repeatedly takes—and fails—the takes — and fails — the bridge officer's test, unable to come up with {{Technobabble}} fast enough to keep the ship from exploding during the holodeck simulation. She's only able to succeed when she realizes that the test is not whether she can memorize minutiae about the ship's operation but whether she can order someone who has the necessary knowledge to do the task knowing they'll die doing so.



** A later episode involved test subjects being given directions to a site where the test would perportedly take place. In fact, these directions included a nonexistent street, and the test was actually [[DirectionlessDriver whether or not the test subject would stop to ask for directions]].

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** A later episode involved test subjects being given directions to a site where the test would perportedly purportedly take place. In fact, these directions included a nonexistent non-existent street, and the test was actually [[DirectionlessDriver whether or not the test subject would stop to ask for directions]].
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