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10th Jan '17 10:18:27 PM bt8257
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Allowing them entry into a SuperHero organization, etc. could cause serious problems for the group's reputation, cohesiveness, etc., so instead they sometimes become {{Flanderized}} into a recurring IneffectualSympatheticVillain who the heroes can still count on when the BigBad crosses the MoralEventHorizon, because EveryoneHasStandards.

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Allowing them entry into a SuperHero organization, etc. could may cause serious problems for the group's reputation, cohesiveness, etc., so instead they sometimes become {{Flanderized}} into a recurring IneffectualSympatheticVillain who the heroes can still count on when the BigBad crosses the MoralEventHorizon, because EveryoneHasStandards.
1st Jan '17 10:02:25 PM Randallw201238
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* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} in general. They are supposed to be a super police force to respond yo super human threats, but they regularly screw up, or make things worse, or were the cause of it from the beginning.

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* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} in general. They are supposed to be a super police force to respond yo to super human threats, but they regularly screw up, or make things worse, or were the cause of it from the beginning.
7th Nov '16 7:15:18 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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In a very real sense, the entire point of the first trilogy is the psychological redemption of an utterly broken man into someone who can live with himself -- the first book setting him up as someone the audience very likely hates as a reflection of how badly he already hates ''himself''. And since the series very strongly straddles the line between reality and psychological allegory (and occasionally argues that both answers are valid), by definition saving the Land saves his own soul -- ''and vice-versa''.\\\

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In a very real sense, the entire point of the first trilogy is the psychological redemption of an utterly broken man into someone who can live with himself -- the first book setting him up as someone the audience very likely hates as a reflection of how badly he already hates ''himself''. And since the series very strongly straddles the line between reality and psychological allegory (and occasionally argues that both answers are valid), by definition saving the Land saves his own soul -- ''and vice-versa''.\\\
20th Oct '16 7:07:34 PM TheTropper
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* Coop of ''WesternAnimation/MegasXLR''. He's a good guy, and far from incompetent (but still within view of it), he's just a DestructiveSavior to the nth degree. One episode dealt with some alien superheroes mistaking him for an outright villain, and their [[OmnicidalManiac nemesis]] thinking he was trying to pull an EvilerThanThou.

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* Coop of ''WesternAnimation/MegasXLR''. He's a good guy, and far from incompetent (but still within view of it), he's just a DestructiveSavior to the nth ninth degree. One episode dealt with some alien superheroes mistaking him for an outright villain, and their [[OmnicidalManiac nemesis]] thinking he was trying to pull an EvilerThanThou.



* Jinx in ''Series/TeenTitans'' to an extent. Part of why she became a villain in the first place was because her power to screw everything up corresponded the most with villainy. By series' end, she pulls a HeelFaceTurn and gets it mostly right this time (only to go back to being evil in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'; though, she did have a fling with Cyborg for a while).

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* Jinx in ''Series/TeenTitans'' ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' to an extent. Part of why she became a villain in the first place was because her power to screw everything up corresponded the most with villainy. By series' end, she pulls a HeelFaceTurn and gets it mostly right this time (only to go back to being evil in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'; ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo''; though, she did have a fling with Cyborg for a while).
20th Oct '16 2:12:24 PM Zibmaster
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* This is why, in ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', Jacob is considered inferior to Edward. Jacob is ostensibly nicer, shares more of Bella's interests, lacks Edward's self-loathing issues, and seems like a lot more fun -- but unlike Edward he isn't particularly ashamed of his monster side (Edward only being ashamed of it inasmuch as it presents a danger to his girlfriend, though), and has extreme mood swings in which he could do Bella serious harm (wheras Edward has much better self-control). At one point, he even decides to take revenge for Bella [[DeathByChildbirth dying in childbirth]] by [[MoralEventHorizon murdering her baby]], because it killed her.
25th Sep '16 11:34:42 AM flodoris
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* [[spoiler:Itachi]] from ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' might not be what he appeared to be at the outset, but there's still the fact calling him "one of the good guys" is quite a stretch. [[spoiler: While Itachi killed the Uchiha family to prevent a devastating civil war (although wholesale genocide as a peacekeeping measure is rather fucked up, too) rather than simply as a way to test his own powers, he made some rather ''complicated'' decisions regarding sparing his little brother Sasuke; rather than simply kill him, Itachi decided to spare his life and try and make Sasuke hate him enough that he could commit SuicideByCop later to turn Sasuke into a hero and let him live free of the shadow-conflict that consumed their family. Unfortunately, he did this by inflicting '''horrific''' MindRape upon Sasuke on the night of the massacre and later on, emotionally crippling Sasuke for the rest of his life, and Itachi's eventual suicide at Sasuke's hands was implied to be just as much for Konoha's sake and his own self-loathing as it was out of any affection for Sasuke. Unsurprisingly, a lifetime conditioned into obsessive hatred for his brother to the exclusion of all else means Sasuke goes completely batshit insane once Itachi's gone and Madara gives him a slanted account of Itachi's life, but Itachi turns out to have had a plan for this; using Sasuke's erstwhile best friend Naruto as the delivery system, if Sasuke failed to become the hero Itachi wanted him to be, Itachi left behind a posthumous genjutsu that would ''brainwash'' Sasuke into protecting Konoha with his dead best friend's mind-controlling eye.]] While he is depicted as a man who made many sacrifices and tough choices, [[spoiler: Itachi]] is still dangerously close to just being a ManipulativeBastard with an OmniscientMoralityLicence.

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* [[spoiler:Itachi]] from ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' might not be what he appeared to be at the outset, but there's still the fact calling him "one of the good guys" is quite a stretch. [[spoiler: While Itachi killed the Uchiha family to prevent a devastating civil war (although wholesale genocide as a peacekeeping measure is rather fucked up, too) rather than simply as a way to test his own powers, he made some rather ''complicated'' decisions regarding sparing his little brother Sasuke; rather than simply kill him, Itachi decided to spare his life and try and make Sasuke hate him enough that he could commit SuicideByCop later to turn Sasuke into a hero and let him live free of the shadow-conflict that consumed their family. Unfortunately, he did this by inflicting '''horrific''' MindRape upon Sasuke on the night of the massacre and later on, emotionally crippling Sasuke for the rest of his life, and Itachi's eventual suicide at Sasuke's hands was implied to be just as much for Konoha's sake and his own self-loathing as it was out of any affection for Sasuke. Unsurprisingly, a lifetime conditioned into obsessive hatred for his brother to the exclusion of all else means Sasuke goes completely batshit insane once Itachi's gone and Madara Tobi gives him a slanted account of Itachi's life, but Itachi turns out to have had a plan for this; using Sasuke's erstwhile best friend Naruto as the delivery system, if Sasuke failed to become the hero Itachi wanted him to be, Itachi left behind a posthumous genjutsu that would ''brainwash'' Sasuke into protecting Konoha with his dead best friend's mind-controlling eye.]] While he is depicted as a man who made many sacrifices and tough choices, [[spoiler: Itachi]] is still dangerously close to just being a ManipulativeBastard with an OmniscientMoralityLicence.
30th Aug '16 11:38:12 AM EdwardGil
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* KnightTemplar: Has a vision of "Good" that is fanatical and not compatible with actual good guys. Unlikely to want to be with the good guys unless it is as a PoisonousFriend.
30th Aug '16 11:28:47 AM Willbyr
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* [[spoiler: Itachi]] from ''{{Naruto}}'' might not be what he appeared to be at the outset, but there's still the fact calling him "one of the good guys" is quite a stretch. [[spoiler: While Itachi killed the Uchiha family to prevent a devastating civil war (although wholesale genocide as a peacekeeping measure is rather fucked up, too) rather than simply as a way to test his own powers, he made some rather ''complicated'' decisions regarding sparing his little brother Sasuke; rather than simply kill him, Itachi decided to spare his life and try and make Sasuke hate him enough that he could commit SuicideByCop later to turn Sasuke into a hero and let him live free of the shadow-conflict that consumed their family. Unfortunately, he did this by inflicting '''horrific''' MindRape upon Sasuke on the night of the massacre and later on, emotionally crippling Sasuke for the rest of his life, and Itachi's eventual suicide at Sasuke's hands was implied to be just as much for Konoha's sake and his own self-loathing as it was out of any affection for Sasuke. Unsurprisingly, a lifetime conditioned into obsessive hatred for his brother to the exclusion of all else means Sasuke goes completely batshit insane once Itachi's gone and Madara gives him a slanted account of Itachi's life, but Itachi turns out to have had a plan for this; using Sasuke's erstwhile best friend Naruto as the delivery system, if Sasuke failed to become the hero Itachi wanted him to be, Itachi left behind a posthumous genjutsu that would ''brainwash'' Sasuke into protecting Konoha with his dead best friend's mind-controlling eye.]] While he is depicted as a man who made many sacrifices and tough choices, [[spoiler: Itachi]] is still dangerously close to just being a ManipulativeBastard with an OmniscientMoralityLicence.

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* [[spoiler: Itachi]] [[spoiler:Itachi]] from ''{{Naruto}}'' ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' might not be what he appeared to be at the outset, but there's still the fact calling him "one of the good guys" is quite a stretch. [[spoiler: While Itachi killed the Uchiha family to prevent a devastating civil war (although wholesale genocide as a peacekeeping measure is rather fucked up, too) rather than simply as a way to test his own powers, he made some rather ''complicated'' decisions regarding sparing his little brother Sasuke; rather than simply kill him, Itachi decided to spare his life and try and make Sasuke hate him enough that he could commit SuicideByCop later to turn Sasuke into a hero and let him live free of the shadow-conflict that consumed their family. Unfortunately, he did this by inflicting '''horrific''' MindRape upon Sasuke on the night of the massacre and later on, emotionally crippling Sasuke for the rest of his life, and Itachi's eventual suicide at Sasuke's hands was implied to be just as much for Konoha's sake and his own self-loathing as it was out of any affection for Sasuke. Unsurprisingly, a lifetime conditioned into obsessive hatred for his brother to the exclusion of all else means Sasuke goes completely batshit insane once Itachi's gone and Madara gives him a slanted account of Itachi's life, but Itachi turns out to have had a plan for this; using Sasuke's erstwhile best friend Naruto as the delivery system, if Sasuke failed to become the hero Itachi wanted him to be, Itachi left behind a posthumous genjutsu that would ''brainwash'' Sasuke into protecting Konoha with his dead best friend's mind-controlling eye.]] While he is depicted as a man who made many sacrifices and tough choices, [[spoiler: Itachi]] is still dangerously close to just being a ManipulativeBastard with an OmniscientMoralityLicence.
11th Aug '16 7:43:04 PM ChrisX
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* ''Anime/DanganRonpa3'': Juzo Sakakura, the Ultimate Boxer. He's on board with the team that investigates the corruption within [[AcademyOfEvil Hope's Peak Academy]]... but [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption he's extremely prone to violence]] and [[UnwittingInstigatorOfDoom tends to unwittingly make things worse with it]] that he came off like a TokenEvilTeammate {{Jerkass}}.
10th Aug '16 3:02:18 AM narm00
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* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} in general. They are suppose to be a super police force to respond on super human threats, but they regularly screw up, or make things worse, or were the cause of it from the beginning.

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* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} in general. They are suppose supposed to be a super police force to respond on yo super human threats, but they regularly screw up, or make things worse, or were the cause of it from the beginning.



* Max Damage from ''[[ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} Incorruptible]]''. He got scared straight when the resident CaptainErsatz of {{Superman}} snapped and went on a rampage. The book's about his struggle to redeem himself, but all he knows about being good is "do the opposite of what you used to do".
* ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', God's Angel of Vengeance, has such a horrifically skewed sense of proportion and priorities that, he needs to be kept bound to a morally upstanding human soul just to reach the level of GoodIsNotNice SociopathicHero. That's right, not only did he get an F in good, but God gave him a cheat sheet, and he's still only getting Cs and Ds. The [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] version of the Spectre is a lot less vengeful, but makes up for it by being incompetent. His more notable deeds include the time he resurrected ComicBook/GreenArrow as a soulless amnesiac, and the time he restored [[TheFlash Wally West's]] secret identity by making everyone in the world forget who the Flash was. Including Wally.
* ComicBook/BoosterGold before he grew out of it. Aside from being big on corporate sponsorship, Booster once opened a Justice League themed casino using the entirety of the League's funds without the League's consent to use the funds or their endorsement. His partner in this venture, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, would fall into this category too but he had a longer history of heroism and only got into this sort of trouble when Booster was around. He also stole all the tech he uses to fight crime as well as the time machine he used to escape to the past.

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* Max Damage from ''[[ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} Incorruptible]]''. He got scared straight when the resident CaptainErsatz of {{Superman}} Franchise/{{Superman}} snapped and went on a rampage. The book's about his struggle to redeem himself, but all he knows about being good is "do the opposite of what you used to do".
* ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', God's Angel of Vengeance, has such a horrifically skewed sense of proportion and priorities that, that he needs to be kept bound to a morally upstanding human soul just to reach the level of GoodIsNotNice SociopathicHero. That's right, not only did he get an F in good, but God gave him a cheat sheet, and he's still only getting Cs and Ds. The [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] version of the Spectre is a lot less vengeful, but makes up for it by being incompetent. His more notable deeds include the time he resurrected ComicBook/GreenArrow incompetent, such as a soulless amnesiac, and the time he restored [[TheFlash [[Franchise/TheFlash Wally West's]] secret identity by making everyone in the world forget who the Flash was. Including Wally.
* ComicBook/BoosterGold before he grew out of it. Aside from being big on corporate sponsorship, Booster once opened a Justice League themed casino using the entirety of the League's funds without the League's consent to use the funds or their endorsement. His partner in this venture, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, would fall into this category too but he had a longer history of heroism and only got into this sort of trouble when Booster was around. He also stole all the tech he uses to fight crime as well as the time machine he used to escape to the past. His partner in the casino venture, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, would fall into this category too, but he had a longer history of heroism and only got into this sort of trouble when Booster was around.
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