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18th Feb '18 1:11:56 AM DeepRed
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* This character almost invariably has a checkered or mysterious past, or a bad reputation, [[ReformedButRejected which makes it difficult for authorities and other heroes to trust them.]] Perhaps the character was once a villain or NobleDemon who has more recently done a HeelFaceTurn.

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* This character almost invariably has a checkered or mysterious past, or a [[HeroWithBadPublicity bad reputation, reputation]], [[ReformedButRejected which makes it difficult for authorities and other heroes to trust them.]] Perhaps the character was once a villain or NobleDemon who has more recently done a HeelFaceTurn.
17th Jan '18 2:57:13 AM lillolillo
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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': [[FakeUltimateHero Don Kanonji]] was a harmless version. He believed he was a role-model for children everywhere, a hero who made life bearable for children everywhere by showing there that there was someone in the world who stood up to the monsters that go bump in the night. And then he [[CharacterDevelopment learned]] the tactics he was using were actually [[NiceJobBreakingItHero creating the very monsters he thought he was fighting]].

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': [[FakeUltimateHero Don Kanonji]] Kanonji was a harmless version. He believed he was a role-model for children everywhere, a hero who made life bearable for children everywhere by showing there that there was someone in the world who stood up to the monsters that go bump in the night. And then he [[CharacterDevelopment learned]] the tactics he was using were actually [[NiceJobBreakingItHero creating the very monsters he thought he was fighting]].



* [[spoiler:Itachi]] from ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' might not be what he appeared to be at the outset, but there's still the fact calling him "one of the good guys" is quite a stretch. [[spoiler: While Itachi killed the Uchiha family to prevent a devastating civil war (although wholesale genocide as a peacekeeping measure is rather fucked up, too) rather than simply as a way to test his own powers, he made some rather ''complicated'' decisions regarding sparing his little brother Sasuke; rather than simply kill him, Itachi decided to spare his life and try and make Sasuke hate him enough that he could commit SuicideByCop later to turn Sasuke into a hero and let him live free of the shadow-conflict that consumed their family. Unfortunately, he did this by inflicting '''horrific''' MindRape upon Sasuke on the night of the massacre and later on, emotionally crippling Sasuke for the rest of his life, and Itachi's eventual suicide at Sasuke's hands was implied to be just as much for Konoha's sake and his own self-loathing as it was out of any affection for Sasuke. Unsurprisingly, a lifetime conditioned into obsessive hatred for his brother to the exclusion of all else means Sasuke goes completely batshit insane once Itachi's gone and Tobi gives him a slanted account of Itachi's life, but Itachi turns out to have had a plan for this; using Sasuke's erstwhile best friend Naruto as the delivery system, if Sasuke failed to become the hero Itachi wanted him to be, Itachi left behind a posthumous genjutsu that would ''brainwash'' Sasuke into protecting Konoha with his dead best friend's mind-controlling eye.]] While he is depicted as a man who made many sacrifices and tough choices, [[spoiler: Itachi]] is still dangerously close to just being a ManipulativeBastard with an OmniscientMoralityLicence.

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* [[spoiler:Itachi]] from ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'':
** Itachi
might not be what he appeared to be at the outset, but there's still the fact calling him "one of the good guys" is quite a stretch. [[spoiler: While Itachi killed the Uchiha family to prevent a devastating civil war (although wholesale genocide as a peacekeeping measure is rather fucked up, too) rather than simply as a way to test his own powers, he made some rather ''complicated'' decisions regarding sparing his little brother Sasuke; rather than simply kill him, Itachi decided to spare his life and try and make Sasuke hate him enough that he could commit SuicideByCop later to turn Sasuke into a hero and let him live free of the shadow-conflict that consumed their family. Unfortunately, he did this by inflicting '''horrific''' MindRape upon Sasuke on the night of the massacre and later on, emotionally crippling Sasuke for the rest of his life, and Itachi's eventual suicide at Sasuke's hands was implied to be just as much for Konoha's sake and his own self-loathing as it was out of any affection for Sasuke. Unsurprisingly, a lifetime conditioned into obsessive hatred for his brother to the exclusion of all else means Sasuke goes completely batshit insane once Itachi's gone and Tobi gives him a slanted account of Itachi's life, but Itachi turns out to have had a plan for this; using Sasuke's erstwhile best friend Naruto as the delivery system, if Sasuke failed to become the hero Itachi wanted him to be, Itachi left behind a posthumous genjutsu that would ''brainwash'' Sasuke into protecting Konoha with his dead best friend's mind-controlling eye.]] While he is depicted as a man who made many sacrifices and tough choices, [[spoiler: Itachi]] is still dangerously close to just being a ManipulativeBastard with an OmniscientMoralityLicence.



* ''ComicBook/{{Bizarrogirl}}'' in the eponymous ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' storyline. Bizarrogirl's more genuinely stupid than suffering from the usual Bizarro backwards logic. She's ''pretty'' destructive even if she doesn't usually mean it. As she grows to understand other people she becomes more genuinely heroic.



* In ''Comicbook/TheBoys'' a team of superheroes called The Seven were the premier superheroes in the US, and they royally screw up in their attempt of stopping 9/11. Later they are seen as anything but heroic.



* Skitter of ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' is a genuinely good and moral person, who wants to be a superhero, but, frankly, [[BadPowersGoodPeople her powers]](bug control) made "heroic" combat extremely counter-intuitive for her even ''before'' she discovered her talent for PsychologicalCombat. She discovers ''very'' quickly that she's ''incredibly'' effective as a supervillain. She continues to try to help people, but as she steadily grows [[CombatPragmatist more brutal]] and gets into more frequent altercations with the heroes, she realizes that she's better off trying to do good by [[EvilPaysBetter putting the massive amounts of money she makes as a supervillain]] to work [[AHeroToHisHometown helping fix up her hometown.]]
1st Nov '17 6:16:37 PM WillBGood
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* TanteiOperaMilkyHolmes: Also known as "Magical Policegirls Who Have An English Detective Motif But Could Not Sleuth Their Way Out Of An Unlocked Room", the ONLY thing competent about these magical girls is their exceptional talent in magic artes. The anime explores their lives during a period when they lose their powers - absolute FAILURES in basic detective work, broke and living in their mom's attic, and constantly making friends with celebrity criminals because they outright paste the paper-thin disguises if the villains don't have one. Powers or not, they are an utter disgrace to the good name of legendary detectives everywhere.

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* TanteiOperaMilkyHolmes: ''Anime/TanteiOperaMilkyHolmes'': Also known as "Magical Policegirls Who Have An English Detective Motif But Could Not Sleuth Their Way Out Of An Unlocked Room", the ONLY thing competent about these magical girls is their exceptional talent in magic artes. The anime explores their lives during a period when they lose their powers - absolute FAILURES in basic detective work, broke and living in their mom's attic, and constantly making friends with celebrity criminals because they outright paste the paper-thin disguises if the villains don't have one. Powers or not, they are an utter disgrace to the good name of legendary detectives everywhere.
15th Sep '17 11:44:08 PM Vir
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* ''WesternAnimation/DonkeyKongCountry'': In the episodes "Get a Life, Don't Save One!" and "Bluster the Benevolent," [[RichBitch Bluster Kong]] tries to legitimately help DK and his fellow apes, but his attempts are so are so destructive (not to mention annoying and overblown) that WeWantOurJerkBack ensues. In one episode, Bluster successfully steals the [[MacGuffin Crystal Coconut]] and loses it. He then proceeds to work against DK and Diddy to retrieve it because he wants to be the hero, but just hands it over when asked by Klump out of fear. When it comes down to it, Bluster's selfishness and cowardice overpower any good he's attempting to do.

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* ''WesternAnimation/DonkeyKongCountry'': In the episodes "Get a Life, Don't Save One!" and "Bluster the Benevolent," [[RichBitch Bluster Kong]] tries to legitimately help DK and his fellow apes, but his attempts are so are so destructive (not to mention annoying and overblown) that WeWantOurJerkBack ensues. In one episode, Bluster successfully steals the [[MacGuffin Crystal Coconut]] and loses it. He then proceeds to work against DK and Diddy to retrieve it because he wants to be the hero, but just hands it over when asked by Klump out of fear. When it comes down to it, Bluster's selfishness and cowardice overpower any good he's attempting to do.
15th Sep '17 11:10:48 PM Vir
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* The HeroWithAnFInGood has redeeming qualities that make part of him want to be a hero out of a desire to do good or the right thing, in other words a JerkWithAHeartOfGold rather than a {{Jerkass}}. They may also be close to a JerkassWoobie.

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* The HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good has redeeming qualities that make part of him want to be a hero out of a desire to do good or the right thing, in other words a JerkWithAHeartOfGold rather than a {{Jerkass}}. They may also be close to a JerkassWoobie.



* The HeroWithAnFInGood tends to get themselves kicked out of the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, [[Franchise/StarWars Rebel Alliance]], etc. for 'minor' offenses (theft, destruction of property, etc.).

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* The HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good tends to get themselves kicked out of the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, [[Franchise/StarWars Rebel Alliance]], etc. for 'minor' offenses (theft, destruction of property, etc.).



* MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold: both are genuinely well-intentioned characters with a negative reputation, but only the HeroWithAnFInGood deserves it.
* DesignatedHero: both want to be seen as the IdealHero, but while the HeroWithAnFInGood honestly tries and fails, the DesignatedHero does not care and still gets away with their laziness. Furthermore, the DesignatedHero's flaws are obvious only to the audience, whereas the HeroWithAnFInGood's flaws are noticed by the other characters. The former character type is subjective, while the latter character type is objective.

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* MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold: both are genuinely well-intentioned characters with a negative reputation, but only the HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good deserves it.
* DesignatedHero: both want to be seen as the IdealHero, but while the HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good honestly tries and fails, the DesignatedHero does not care and still gets away with their laziness. Furthermore, the DesignatedHero's flaws are obvious only to the audience, whereas the HeroWithAnFInGood's Hero with an F in Good's flaws are noticed by the other characters. The former character type is subjective, while the latter character type is objective.



* MrViceGuy: both are hard to approach at first because of being flawed, yet have good hearts. Unlike the MrViceGuy, however, the HeroWithAnFInGood is never excused for their flaws as they directly interfere with their status as a hero.
* NobleDemon: while the NobleDemon cultivates their negative reputation, the HeroWithAnFInGood dislikes their negative reputation. However, if the former character type does a HeelFaceTurn and realizes they do not know a thing about being a hero, they can become the latter character type.
* PunchClockVillain: neither character type is inherently malevolent; villainy is just a job. However, the HeroWithAnFInGood usually hates this job, and does it because it is the only one that sufficiently pays the bills.
* VillainBallMagnet: it isn't the universe that paints the HeroWithAnFInGood as a villain, it is their own flaws.

Allowing them entry into a SuperHero organization, etc. may cause serious problems for the group's reputation, cohesiveness, etc., so instead they sometimes become {{Flanderized}} into a recurring IneffectualSympatheticVillain who the heroes can still count on when the BigBad crosses the MoralEventHorizon, because EveryoneHasStandards.

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* MrViceGuy: both are hard to approach at first because of being flawed, yet have good hearts. Unlike the MrViceGuy, however, the HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good is never excused for their flaws as they directly interfere with their status as a hero.
* NobleDemon: while the NobleDemon cultivates their negative reputation, the HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good dislikes their negative reputation. However, if the former character type does a HeelFaceTurn and realizes they do not know a thing about being a hero, they can become the latter character type.
* PunchClockVillain: neither character type is inherently malevolent; villainy is just a job. However, the HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good usually hates this job, and does it because it is the only one that sufficiently pays the bills.
* VillainBallMagnet: it isn't the universe that paints the HeroWithAnFInGood Hero with an F in Good as a villain, it is their own flaws.

Allowing them entry into a SuperHero organization, etc. may cause serious problems for the group's reputation, cohesiveness, etc., so instead they sometimes become {{Flanderized}} {{Flanderiz|ation}}ed into a recurring IneffectualSympatheticVillain who the heroes can still count on when the BigBad crosses the MoralEventHorizon, because EveryoneHasStandards.
4th Sep '17 11:17:41 AM Kotomikun
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Like the MinionWithAnFInEvil, the Hero With an F in Good most of the time is basically a nice person deep down, but while the Minion with an F in Evil became a PunchClockVillain because EvilIsCool, but his PetTheDog personality [[SpannerInTheWorks foils]] his bosses' plans, this character sometimes daydreams of becoming one of TheHero's TrueCompanions, or being the hero by himself, but serious character flaws make it a poor career goal. He doesn't have a problem with doing heroic things, but he does have trouble when it comes to other aspects of being good.

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Like the MinionWithAnFInEvil, the Hero With an F in Good most of the time is basically a nice person deep down, but while the Minion with an F in Evil The MinionWithAnFInEvil became a PunchClockVillain because EvilIsCool, but his PetTheDog personality [[SpannerInTheWorks foils]] his bosses' plans, this character plans. The Hero with an F in Good is also (usually) a nice person deep down, and sometimes daydreams of becoming one of TheHero's TrueCompanions, or being the hero by himself, himself; but serious character flaws make it a poor career goal. He doesn't have a problem with doing heroic things, but he does have trouble when it comes to other aspects of being good.
2nd Sep '17 5:16:56 PM kome360
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* TanteiOperaMilkyHolmes: Also known as "Magical Policegirls Who Have An English Detective Motif But Could Not Sleuth Their Way Out Of An Unlocked Room", the ONLY thing competent about these magical girls is their exceptional talent in magic artes. The anime explores their lives during a period when they lose their powers - absolute FAILURES in basic detective work, broke and living in their mom's attic, and constantly making friends with celebrity criminals because they outright paste the paper-thin disguises if the villains don't have one. Powers or not, they are an utter disgrace to the good name of legendary detectives everywhere.
26th Jun '17 10:41:37 AM Fangusu
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* DesignatedHero: both want to be seen as the IdealHero, but the HeroWithAnFInGood honestly tries and fails, whereas the DesignatedHero does not care and still gets away with his laziness. Also, the DesignatedHero's flaws are only obvious to the audience, whereas the HeroWithAnFInGood's flaws are noticed by the other characters. The former character type is subjective, while the latter character type is objective.

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* DesignatedHero: both want to be seen as the IdealHero, but while the HeroWithAnFInGood honestly tries and fails, whereas the DesignatedHero does not care and still gets away with his their laziness. Also, Furthermore, the DesignatedHero's flaws are only obvious only to the audience, whereas the HeroWithAnFInGood's flaws are noticed by the other characters. The former character type is subjective, while the latter character type is objective.



* MrViceGuy: both are unapproachable because of being flawed, yet have good hearts. Unlike the MrViceGuy, however, the HeroWithAnFInGood is never excused for his flaws as they directly interfere with his status as a hero.
* NobleDemon: while the NobleDemon cultivates his negative reputation, the HeroWithAnFInGood dislikes his negative reputation. However, if the former character type does a HeelFaceTurn and realizes they do not know a thing about being a hero, they can become the latter character type.
* PunchClockVillain: neither character type is inherently malevolent; evil is just a job, but the HeroWithAnFInGood clearly hates this job, and does it because it is the only job that sufficiently pays the bills.
* VillainBallMagnet: it isn't the universe that paints the HeroWithAnFInGood as a villain, it's his own flaws.

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* MrViceGuy: both are unapproachable hard to approach at first because of being flawed, yet have good hearts. Unlike the MrViceGuy, however, the HeroWithAnFInGood is never excused for his their flaws as they directly interfere with his their status as a hero.
* NobleDemon: while the NobleDemon cultivates his their negative reputation, the HeroWithAnFInGood dislikes his their negative reputation. However, if the former character type does a HeelFaceTurn and realizes they do not know a thing about being a hero, they can become the latter character type.
* PunchClockVillain: neither character type is inherently malevolent; evil villainy is just a job, but job. However, the HeroWithAnFInGood clearly usually hates this job, and does it because it is the only job one that sufficiently pays the bills.
* VillainBallMagnet: it isn't the universe that paints the HeroWithAnFInGood as a villain, it's his it is their own flaws.



* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Anakin Skywalker in the prequel trilogy. He's brave and willing to risk himself for others, wants to do what's right, joins the foremost good guy organization... But he's impatient, uncontrolled, unable to accept his place and constantly tempted to just go ahead and (to sum up all the various temptations) do whatever he damn well feels like at the moment. When he does, it ends badly for everyone. After that he becomes an entirely different character who gets an A in Evil easily. Until the end of ''Return of the Jedi'', that is.



* ''Literature/ArtemisFowl'': For awhile, Artemis's HeelFaceTurn was impeded by his love of [[ThePlan devious plans]], until he realized that a {{Chessmaster}} doesn't have to be a villain.

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* ''Literature/ArtemisFowl'': For awhile, a while, Artemis's HeelFaceTurn was impeded by his love of [[ThePlan devious plans]], until he realized that a {{Chessmaster}} doesn't have to be a villain.
19th Jun '17 8:03:32 AM Kalaong
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* Skitter of ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' is a genuinely good and moral person, who wants to be a superhero, but, frankly, [[BadPowersGoodPeople her powers]](bug control) make "heroic" combat extremely counter-intuitive for her, and she finds that she's ''incredibly'' effective as a supervillain. She continues to try to help people, but as she steadily grows more brutal and gets into more frequent altercations with the heroes, she realizes that she's better off trying to do good by [[EvilPaysBetter putting the massive amounts of money she makes as a supervillain]] to work [[AHeroToHisHometown helping fix up her hometown.]]

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* Skitter of ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' is a genuinely good and moral person, who wants to be a superhero, but, frankly, [[BadPowersGoodPeople her powers]](bug control) make made "heroic" combat extremely counter-intuitive for her, and her even ''before'' she finds discovered her talent for PsychologicalCombat. She discovers ''very'' quickly that she's ''incredibly'' effective as a supervillain. She continues to try to help people, but as she steadily grows [[CombatPragmatist more brutal brutal]] and gets into more frequent altercations with the heroes, she realizes that she's better off trying to do good by [[EvilPaysBetter putting the massive amounts of money she makes as a supervillain]] to work [[AHeroToHisHometown helping fix up her hometown.]]
17th Jun '17 3:26:13 AM Jake
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* ''Literature/TheLostStars'', a spinoff of ''Liiterature/TheLostFleet'' series, gives us "Planetary CEO" turned President Gwen Iceni of the Midway star system. She led a successful coup d'etat against the brutally repressive [[OneNationUnderCopyright corporatist]] oligarchy known as the Syndicate Worlds in the first chapter of Volume 1, and then spent the rest of the book trying very hard to stop herself behaving like a brutally repressive oligarch out of sheer force of habit, and not always succeeding.
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