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8th Jun '16 1:34:03 AM PaulA
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* Creator/MaryGentle's ''Rats and Gargoyles''.

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* Creator/MaryGentle's ''Rats and Gargoyles''.''Literature/RatsAndGargoyles''.
2nd Apr '16 10:02:36 PM Musicoftheage
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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]] (who was claimed to the [[GodInHumanForm human incarnation]] of both the Egyptian god Thoth and the Greek god Hermes), the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. One of the oldest, most continuous, and pervasive of Western magical traditions it also [[{{Irony}} widely influenced early scientific thought]] as late as such greats as devoted alchemist [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac Newton]]. Alchemy in particular can be almost synomous with Hermetic traditions and depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent as so being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.

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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]] (who was claimed to be the [[GodInHumanForm human incarnation]] of both the Egyptian god God Thoth and the Greek god God Hermes), the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. One of the oldest, most continuous, and pervasive of Western magical traditions it also [[{{Irony}} widely influenced early scientific thought]] as late as such greats as devoted alchemist [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac Newton]]. Alchemy in particular can be almost synomous with Hermetic traditions and depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent as so being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.
1st Dec '15 7:30:35 PM Scabbard
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These days, Hermetic magic is perhaps used more likely found in anime than in Western works. Either to provide a comparatively exotic European flair to contrast with local mysticism.. or just because [[FauxSymbolism it looks cool]]. While in the West magic is often whitewashed to just a basic spell and effect with maybe one line of chanting and a circle of candles. This may be because talking about magic in too much detail might incite the MoralGuardians to launch a WitchHunt accusing you of Satanism, or just because Western media is more likely to be live action. It being a pain in the butt to depict those fancy geometric designs when you can't just [[StockFootage recycle animation]] and not end up with ObviousCGI. That said, Hermeticism has been around long enough to influence almost every aspect of Western magic, or at least share it with others such as use of pentagrams.

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These days, Hermetic magic is perhaps used more used/more likely found in anime than in Western works. Either to provide a comparatively exotic European flair to contrast with local mysticism.. or just because [[FauxSymbolism it looks cool]]. While in the West magic is often whitewashed to just a basic spell and effect with maybe one line of chanting and a circle of candles. This may be because talking about magic in too much detail might incite the MoralGuardians to launch a WitchHunt accusing you of Satanism, or just because Western media is more likely to be live action. It being a pain in the butt to depict those fancy geometric designs when you can't just [[StockFootage recycle animation]] and not end up with ObviousCGI. That said, Hermeticism has been around long enough to influence almost every aspect of Western magic, or at least share it with others such as use of pentagrams.
11th Nov '15 9:48:36 PM Dravencour
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These days, Hermetic magic is perhaps used more likely found in anime than in Western works. Either to provide a comparatively exotic European flair to contrast with local mysticism.. or just because [[FauxSymbolism it looks cool]]. While in the West magic is often whitewashed to just a basic spell and effect with maybe one line of chanting and a circle of candles. This may be because talk about magic in too much detail and the MoralGuardians might launch of WitchHunt accusing you of Satanism, or just because Western media is more likely to be live action. It being a pain in the butt to depict those fancy geometric designs when you can't just [[StockFootage recycle animation]] and not end up with ObviousCGI. That said Hermeticism has been around long enough to influence almost every aspect of Western magic, or at least share it with others such as use of pentagrams.

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These days, Hermetic magic is perhaps used more likely found in anime than in Western works. Either to provide a comparatively exotic European flair to contrast with local mysticism.. or just because [[FauxSymbolism it looks cool]]. While in the West magic is often whitewashed to just a basic spell and effect with maybe one line of chanting and a circle of candles. This may be because talk talking about magic in too much detail and might incite the MoralGuardians might to launch of a WitchHunt accusing you of Satanism, or just because Western media is more likely to be live action. It being a pain in the butt to depict those fancy geometric designs when you can't just [[StockFootage recycle animation]] and not end up with ObviousCGI. That said said, Hermeticism has been around long enough to influence almost every aspect of Western magic, or at least share it with others such as use of pentagrams.
11th Aug '15 1:02:44 PM wootzits
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* And behind much of the weirdness of ''Anime/AbenobashiMahouShoutengai'' is traditional Japanese mysticism, along with Hermetic InstantRunes.

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* And behind much of the weirdness of ''Anime/AbenobashiMahouShoutengai'' ''Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi'' is traditional Japanese mysticism, along with Hermetic InstantRunes.
11th Aug '15 1:01:38 PM wootzits
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* Symbols of some sort light up on Mikoto's sword Miroku in ''Anime/{{Mai-HiME}}''.

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* Symbols of some sort light up on Mikoto's sword Miroku in ''Anime/{{Mai-HiME}}''.''Anime/MaiHime''.
2nd Aug '15 5:46:18 AM SSJMagus
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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]], the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. One of the oldest, most continuous, and pervasive of Western magical traditions it also [[{{Irony}} widely influenced early scientific thought]] as late as such greats as devoted alchemist [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac Newton]]. Alchemy in particular can be almost synomous with Hermetic traditions and depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent as so being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.

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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]], Trismegistus"]] (who was claimed to the [[GodInHumanForm human incarnation]] of both the Egyptian god Thoth and the Greek god Hermes), the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. One of the oldest, most continuous, and pervasive of Western magical traditions it also [[{{Irony}} widely influenced early scientific thought]] as late as such greats as devoted alchemist [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac Newton]]. Alchemy in particular can be almost synomous with Hermetic traditions and depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent as so being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.
28th Jul '15 2:03:38 AM gs
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* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'', ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', ''LightNovel/TrinityBlood'' etc. have a mini-trope of printing magic symbols on the back of the hand on the white gloves the characters wear. This appears to be a visual shorthand for "western magic user".
** In FMA, at least, the symbols ''are'' the magic, in the sense that they're a necessary conduit controlled by the user to manipulate energy and matter. It works with tattoos as well.
** In ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'', Alucard's markings don't represent the magic ''he'' uses, but the magic used by his masters to limit his power. When all his restrictions are unlocked, his gloves vanish (and when they're locked again, the gloves reappear).

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* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'', ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', ''LightNovel/TrinityBlood'' etc. have a mini-trope of printing magic symbols on the back of the hand on the white gloves the characters wear. This appears to be a visual shorthand for "western magic user".
**
In FMA, at least, ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' the symbols ''are'' on Alucards glove, the magic, [[http://www.levity.com/alchemy/rscroll.html recurring invocation to Hermes]], and a couple other points indicate is in the sense that they're a necessary conduit controlled by the use. This is never explained in any depth nor is any true user to manipulate energy and matter. It works with tattoos as well.
** In ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'', Alucard's markings don't represent the magic ''he'' uses, but the magic used by his masters to limit his power. When all his restrictions are unlocked, his gloves vanish (and when they're locked again,
depicted explicitly.
*''LightNovel/TrinityBlood'' uses
the gloves reappear).as well, but sharing a fairly high number of visual cues with Hellsing mentioned above.



* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' falls somewhere between this and VancianMagic in regards to Kido. Shinigami need to spend a rather significant time learning the incantations for the various types of kido used, and each one has a specific use. Also, the full name - if not the entirety of the incantation - has to be used by lower-ranked shinigami if it's to be effective; a standard "holy crap that guy's strong" reaction follows a Lieutenant, Captain, or BigBad spitting out no more than the ''number'' and it being more powerful than any other use seen to date. That said, if one such being ''is'' doing a full recitation? ''Run.'' [[spoiler:Unless you've just won a game of one-upsmanship with them and now basically transcend everything but the gods themselves, for a few minutes anyway.]]
** Subverted in any Kido spell it depends on how long you spend [[TrainingFromHell training that spell]]. A low-level spell offensive spell can be potentially deadly. Like when Byakuya uses a level four Hado spell for a [[BoringButPractical cheap shot]] at Ichigo that went ''through his shoulder'' [[FrickinLaserBeams like a laser]]. Shown from a distance shot, it went about 50 meters. Where as when Aizen used level 90 offensive spell ''without an incantation'', it just knocked out [[PettingZooPeople Sajin]] from [[StandardBleedingSpots Standard Bleeding Spot]] wounds. The very same spell with full incantation could allegedly warp the fabric of reality as its full "strength" is supposedly comparable to the gravity of a small black hole. If you didn't think Ichigo meant business before, him surviving it was a clear indication.
* [[Manga/{{Naruto}} Sealing techinques (Fuuinjutsu)]] can count as this



* Freed's Jutsu Shiki seems to be this in ''Manga/FairyTail''. It may very well be the most broken type of magic in the whole series as Freed can make any kind of rule he wants with it (he traps people within invisible barriers and the rules are such as "no one over the age of 80 can get out" or "all oxygen in this room will be depleted"), but it takes a very long time to set up (it isn't known exactly how he does it), so he has only used it effectively in one arc.
28th Jul '15 1:45:19 AM gs
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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]], the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. Fictional depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent it as Hermetic being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.

The origin of the phrase "As above, so below" the tradition makes *extensive* use of symbolism as a form of SympatheticMagic. Hermetic magic can be quite time consuming, since each and every spell needs to be researched and planned in advance. The actual casting of a spell also takes a lot of time too, since it involves a lot of props, [[GeometricMagic drawing of diagrams]], and suchlike.

These days, Hermetic magic is used more in anime than Western works, partly because it gives a Japanese work a European flair, and partly because Western authors are unwilling to spend pages or screen time on it.

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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]], the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. Fictional One of the oldest, most continuous, and pervasive of Western magical traditions it also [[{{Irony}} widely influenced early scientific thought]] as late as such greats as devoted alchemist [[UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton Sir Isaac Newton]]. Alchemy in particular can be almost synomous with Hermetic traditions and depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent it as Hermetic so being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.

The origin of the phrase "As above, so below" the tradition makes *extensive* ''extensive'' use of SympatheticMagic, often in more abstract ways. Thus it is heavily reliant on either visual/material symbolism or even [[MagicalIncantation spoken]] forms. Other important core elements are seeking to understand Astrology, Alchemy as a form of SympatheticMagic. Hermetic magic can be quite time consuming, since each previously mentioned, and every spell needs to be researched and planned [[FunctionalMagic Theurgy]]. For some of the more common imagery check out a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider-Waite_tarot_deck Rider-Waite]] set of Tarot cards. This makes Hermetcism often a long drawn out affair with lots of potentially flashy elements or in advance. The actual casting other words a very rich source of a spell also takes a lot of time too, since it involves a lot of props, [[GeometricMagic drawing of diagrams]], and suchlike.

mystical imagery with at least some grounding in real beliefs.

These days, Hermetic magic is perhaps used more likely found in anime than in Western works, partly because it gives works. Either to provide a Japanese work a comparatively exotic European flair, flair to contrast with local mysticism.. or just because [[FauxSymbolism it looks cool]]. While in the West magic is often whitewashed to just a basic spell and partly effect with maybe one line of chanting and a circle of candles. This may be because talk about magic in too much detail and the MoralGuardians might launch of WitchHunt accusing you of Satanism, or just because Western authors are unwilling media is more likely to spend pages be live action. It being a pain in the butt to depict those fancy geometric designs when you can't just [[StockFootage recycle animation]] and not end up with ObviousCGI. That said Hermeticism has been around long enough to influence almost every aspect of Western magic, or screen time on it.
at least share it with others such as use of pentagrams.
28th Jul '15 12:45:09 AM gs
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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]], the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. Fictional depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent it as Hermetic.

Hermetic magic is quite time consuming, since each and every spell needs to be researched and planned in advance. The actual casting of a spell also takes a lot of time too, since it involves a lot of props, [[GeometricMagic drawing of diagrams]], and suchlike.

These days, Hermetic magic is used more in anime than Western works, partly because it gives a Japanese work a European flair, and partly because Western authors are unwilling to spend pages or screen time on it. (Westerners seem to prefer using systems that allow for [[VancianMagic quick casting of previously-prepared spells]].)

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Hermeticism is a real-world [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetism philosophical, religious, and magical tradition]], ascribed to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus "Hermes Trismegistus"]], the Coptic Egyptian gnostic who founded the theological and philosophical base of western alchemy. Fictional depictions of European, Armenian, and Islamic alchemy will usually represent it as Hermetic.

Hermetic being a comparatively easy way to have ShownTheirWork.

The origin of the phrase "As above, so below" the tradition makes *extensive* use of symbolism as a form of SympatheticMagic.
Hermetic magic is can be quite time consuming, since each and every spell needs to be researched and planned in advance. The actual casting of a spell also takes a lot of time too, since it involves a lot of props, [[GeometricMagic drawing of diagrams]], and suchlike.

These days, Hermetic magic is used more in anime than Western works, partly because it gives a Japanese work a European flair, and partly because Western authors are unwilling to spend pages or screen time on it. (Westerners seem to prefer using systems that allow for [[VancianMagic quick casting of previously-prepared spells]].)\n
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