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18th Sep '17 5:33:34 AM SomeoneElse17
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* This is one of the basic principles of teaching martial arts in ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': it's repeatedly said that a martial arts mentor must not interfere in his (or her) disciple's fight with a non-master fighter, even when the disciple's life is in danger. However, mentors sometimes ''break'' a sparring (i.e. friendly) match when a disciple is in a serious danger. (It happened once to Takeda and once to Kenichi.) However, they will avert this trope should the situation truly warrant their intervention, such as if a different disciple's master attacks Kenichi. Or when Kenichi is in a real life-or-death situation, such as when he's attempting to save his sister Honoka from some sharks and is unable to do much about it on his own.

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* This is one of the basic principles of teaching martial arts in ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'': it's repeatedly said that a martial arts mentor must not interfere in his (or her) disciple's fight with a non-master fighter, even when the disciple's life is in danger. However, mentors sometimes ''break'' will avert this trope in slightly different situations should the danger truly warrant the intervention. For example, if a sparring (i.e. friendly) match when a disciple is in a serious danger. (It goes out of control or another master attacks their disciple, they will interfere to break things up. (The former has happened once to Takeda and Takeda, both once to Kenichi.) However, they will avert this trope should the situation truly warrant their intervention, Another example involves non-fight-related life-or-death situations, such as if a different disciple's master attacks Kenichi. Or when Kenichi is in a real life-or-death situation, such as when he's attempting to save his sister Honoka from some sharks and is unable to do much about it on his own.
3rd Sep '17 7:00:24 AM HalcyonDayz
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* When ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' was active, for the most part players respected the rule but it wasn't uncommon for a higher level character to stumble on a lower-level character battling one of the random mobs on a map and hang around watching and if the player looked like they were going to be defeated, intervening by either buffing the other player to give them a chance to continue, trying to pull some of the attackers away, or using some kind of non-damage ability to distract the attackers to give the other player some breathing space. In situations where the other player was obviously so outclassed and outleveled they didn't have a hope of defeating the NPCs, the higher level players would simply rush in to make the save, even if the difference in levels between the rescuer and mob was so much the rescuer wouldn't get any XP out of it at all. In other words, in a game where you played as a superhero, many players actually acted like heroes.

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* When ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' was active, for the most part players respected the rule but it wasn't uncommon for a higher level character to stumble on a lower-level character battling one of the random mobs on a map and hang around watching and if the player looked like they were going to be defeated, intervening by either buffing the other player to give them a chance to continue, trying to pull some of the attackers away, or using some kind of non-damage ability to distract the attackers to give the other player some breathing space. In situations where the other player was obviously so outclassed and outleveled they didn't have a hope of defeating the NPCs, {{Non Player Character}}s, the higher level players would simply rush in to make the save, even if the difference in levels between the rescuer and mob was so much the rescuer wouldn't get any XP out of it at all. In other words, in a game where you played as a superhero, many players actually acted like heroes.
27th Jul '17 11:14:56 AM KingLyger
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', Rokurou Rangetsu is such a BloodKnight that he'll attack anyone who tries to help him defeat his quarry if he wants to fight one-on-one. This includes his own party members, with Eleanor nearly getting her head taken off when she stepped in between Rokurou and an opponent. This behavior is partly due to Rokurou [[TheCorruption becoming a war demon]], which stemmed from his desire to kill his brother Shigure in a duel. He does grow out of it with time [[spoiler:especially after actually killing Shigure towards the end of the game]], but there were a few very close calls.
15th Jun '17 3:37:11 PM DragonRanger
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* ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'':
** Once the Rangers' commanding officer becomes a SixthRanger, they start feeling that [[HoldingOutForAHero they can slack off and let him do the dirty work]]. Once he discovers this he refuses to bail them out of trouble until they wise up.
** Completely averted in an episode, where a returning character ([[Series/NinpuuSentaiHurricaneger Fuuraimaru]])'s BigDamnHeroes moment includes completely destroying a MonsterOfTheWeek who was curb-stomping Gokai Silver. Of course, in the very next episode Fuuraimaru becomes a permanent addition to the team.

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* ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'':
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** Once ''Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger'' and ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', once the Rangers' commanding officer becomes a SixthRanger, they start feeling that [[HoldingOutForAHero they can slack off and let him do the dirty work]]. Once he discovers this he refuses to bail them out of trouble until they wise up.
** Completely averted in an episode, episode of ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'', where a returning character ([[Series/NinpuuSentaiHurricaneger Fuuraimaru]])'s BigDamnHeroes moment includes completely destroying a MonsterOfTheWeek who was curb-stomping Gokai Silver. Of course, in the very next episode Fuuraimaru becomes a permanent addition to the team.
15th Jun '17 10:50:01 AM StFan
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* In ''Literature/TallTaleAmerica'', PecosBill says that, when he revamped cattle ranching, he

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* In ''Literature/TallTaleAmerica'', PecosBill Myth/PecosBill says that, when he revamped cattle ranching, he
15th Jun '17 10:49:42 AM StFan
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* ''WebVideo/DragonballZAbridged'': This is why Goku arrives late to the battle instead of using his instant transmission ability to teleport home. He is immediately called out on this by Piccolo as it is an incredibly stupid idea.
-->'''Yamcha:''': Why didn't you teleport to Freeza's ship and stop him.\\
'''Goku:''' I kinda wanted to give you guys a chance.\\
'''Piccolo:''' Please don't make a habit of doing that.\\
'''Goku:''' No promises.



* This is basically Yoda's argument for why Luke should not rush off to save his friends in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' [[spoiler:although he qualifies it by claiming that it's a test Luke just isn't ready for]].

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* This is basically Yoda's argument for why Luke should not rush off to save his friends in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', [[spoiler:although he qualifies it by claiming that it's a test Luke just isn't ready for]].



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* Giles in the sixth season of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. [[spoiler: He chose to abandon Buffy because he feels that she's making herself smaller than she is by clinging to him in a immature way.]]
** In principle he had good reasons, but the fact that he chose to make his stand right in the middle of a crisis, and forbade everyone else from helping Buffy as well, can only vaguely be justified by him following musical logic at the time. When he returns at the end of season six and finds out about every f'ed-up thing that had happened to the Scoobies in his absence, he apologizes to Buffy and states that leaving her was a mistake.
* In ''Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger'' and ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', once the Rangers' commanding officer becomes a SixthRanger they start feeling that [[HoldingOutForAHero they can slack off and let him do the dirty work]]. Once he discovers this he refuses to bail them out of trouble until they wise up.
** Completely averted in an episode of ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'', where a returning character ([[Series/NinpuuSentaiHurricaneger Fuuraimaru]])'s BigDamnHeroes moment includes completely destroying a MonsterOfTheWeek who was curb-stomping Gokai Silver. Of course, in the very next episode Fuuraimaru becomes a permanent addition to the team.

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* Giles in the sixth season of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He chose to abandon Buffy because he feels that she's making herself smaller than she is by clinging to him in a immature way.]]
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]] In principle he had good reasons, but the fact that he chose to make his stand right in the middle of a crisis, and forbade everyone else from helping Buffy as well, can only vaguely be justified by him following musical logic at the time. When he returns at the end of season six and finds out about every f'ed-up thing that had happened to the Scoobies in his absence, he apologizes to Buffy and states that leaving her was a mistake.
* In ''Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger'' and ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', once ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'':
** Once
the Rangers' commanding officer becomes a SixthRanger SixthRanger, they start feeling that [[HoldingOutForAHero they can slack off and let him do the dirty work]]. Once he discovers this he refuses to bail them out of trouble until they wise up.
** Completely averted in an episode of ''Series/KaizokuSentaiGokaiger'', episode, where a returning character ([[Series/NinpuuSentaiHurricaneger Fuuraimaru]])'s BigDamnHeroes moment includes completely destroying a MonsterOfTheWeek who was curb-stomping Gokai Silver. Of course, in the very next episode Fuuraimaru becomes a permanent addition to the team.



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* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'':

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* In ''WebVideo/DragonballZAbridged'', this is why Goku arrives late to the battle instead of using his instant transmission ability to teleport home.
--> '''Yamcha''': Why didn't you teleport to Freeza's ship and stop him.
--> '''Goku''': I kinda wanted to give you guys a chance.
** He is immediately called out on this by Piccolo as it is an incredibly stupid idea.
--> '''Piccolo''': Please don't make a habit of doing that.
--> '''Goku''': No promises.
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** In a darker twist, this is how Comicbook/VandalSavage characterizes [[LegionOfDoom the Light]]'s motives.
-->"[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld Fifty thousand years of life]], and nothing ever troubled me as much as the founding of the Justice League. Dedicating to maintaining society's calcified status quo, the League would protect mankind from disaster, crime, tragedy of any kind. [[TheSocialDarwinist Had you never heard of the survival of the fittest]]? In essence, you ''heroes'' sought to protect humanity from its own glorious evolution."

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** In a darker twist, this is how Comicbook/VandalSavage ComicBook/VandalSavage characterizes [[LegionOfDoom the Light]]'s motives.
-->"[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld --->'''Vandal Savage:''' [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld Fifty thousand years of life]], and nothing ever troubled me as much as the founding of the Justice League. Dedicating to maintaining society's calcified status quo, the League would protect mankind from disaster, crime, tragedy of any kind. [[TheSocialDarwinist Had you never heard of the survival of the fittest]]? In essence, you ''heroes'' sought to protect humanity from its own glorious evolution."



** This trope actually kicks off the show: Celestia could keep teaching and supporting Twilight normally, as she has for the past few years, and Twilight would naturally grow into a famous mage, beloved by Equestria's ruler and goddess. But then she would become dangerously isolated from other ponies, unable to ask for help or work in a group, and she would forget how to relax and have fun. Hence, Celestia sends her to study in the peaceful country town Ponyville, away from Celestia, where Twilight will basically ''have'' to bond with ponies in order to get anything done- and certainly to fight off the evil, ''other'' goddess-pony, who is breaking out of her prison...
** This is the reason the [[FanWank fans wanked out]] for why Celestia never directly helps the Mane 6 take on any villain in the series. [[spoiler:The Season 3 finale more or less implies this to be [[IKnewIt the actual reason]].]]

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** This trope actually kicks off the show: Celestia could keep teaching and supporting Twilight normally, as she has for the past few years, and Twilight would naturally grow into a famous mage, beloved by Equestria's ruler and goddess. But then she would become dangerously isolated from other ponies, unable to ask for help or work in a group, and she would forget how to relax and have fun. Hence, Celestia sends her to study in the peaceful country town Ponyville, away from Celestia, where Twilight will basically ''have'' to bond with ponies in order to get anything done- done -- and certainly to fight off the evil, ''other'' goddess-pony, who is breaking out of her prison...
** This is the reason the [[FanWank fans wanked out]] for why Celestia never directly helps the Mane 6 Six take on any villain in the series. [[spoiler:The Season 3 finale more or less implies this to be [[IKnewIt the actual reason]].]]



--> [[spoiler:'''Discord:''' And rob you of a valuable lesson of being Princess? What kind of friend would do a thing like that, hm?]]

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--> [[spoiler:'''Discord:''' --->[[spoiler:'''Discord:''' And rob you of a valuable lesson of being Princess? What kind of friend would do a thing like that, hm?]]



-->'''Lord Chumley''': NO! He was ''MINE''!

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-->'''Lord Chumley''': Chumley:''' NO! He was ''MINE''!



11th May '17 9:35:10 AM MarsJenkar
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* As a meta-example, this is why [[CrutchCharacter Crutch Characters]] are so looked down upon by the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' fandom. While attacking and defending alone give modicum experience, you get much more from kills. Also, experience gained scales by a mix of level and rank; a lvl 5 paladin only gains a fraction of experience a lvl 3 cavalier would. Units that start at low levels also have greater potential than their veteran counterparts, so using nothing more than that paladin or general the game [[SuspiciousVideoGameGenerosity literaly hands you]] for the first few chapters will leave you woefully unprepared for the larger scale battles later in the game.

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* As a meta-example, this is why [[CrutchCharacter Crutch Characters]] are so looked down upon by the ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' fandom. While attacking and defending alone give modicum experience, you get much more from kills. Also, experience gained scales by a mix of level and rank; a lvl 5 paladin only gains a fraction of experience a lvl 3 cavalier would. Units that start at low levels also have greater potential than their veteran counterparts, so using nothing more than that paladin or general the game [[SuspiciousVideoGameGenerosity literaly hands you]] for the first few chapters will leave you woefully unprepared for the larger scale battles later in the game. This is the reason that most players de-equip the CrutchCharacter as soon as possible, and simply let it act as a meatshield for the first few chapters, before either ditching it (if, as often is the case, it's not viable in the endgame) or using it more conventionally (if it actually ''is'' viable in the endgame).
11th May '17 8:48:23 AM MarsJenkar
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** In later expansions it's become increasingly averted; now, many quest-specific mobs can be "tapped" by multiple players of the same faction (and, in the case of most unique mobs or bosses, ''across'' factions), encouraging help even on an informal basis (previously for such a thing to work, the players would have to be in the same party, which is limited to 5 players). This proves an effective AntiFrustrationFeature for popular quests, where a player could have trouble even tapping a quest mob to kill it, since another player would get it first.



* When ''CityOfHeroes'' was active, for the most part players respected the rule but it wasn't uncommon for a higher level character to stumble on a lower-level character battling one of the random mobs on a map and hang around watching and if the player looked like they were going to be defeated, intervening by either buffing the other player to give them a chance to continue, trying to pull some of the attackers away, or using some kind of non-damage ability to distract the attackers to give the other player some breathing space. In situations where the other player was obviously so outclassed and outleveled they didn't have a hope of defeating the NPCs, the higher level players would simply rush in to make the save, even if the difference in levels between the rescuer and mob was so much the rescuer wouldn't get any XP out of it at all. In other words, in a game where you played as a superhero, many players actually acted like heroes.

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* When ''CityOfHeroes'' ''VideoGame/CityOfHeroes'' was active, for the most part players respected the rule but it wasn't uncommon for a higher level character to stumble on a lower-level character battling one of the random mobs on a map and hang around watching and if the player looked like they were going to be defeated, intervening by either buffing the other player to give them a chance to continue, trying to pull some of the attackers away, or using some kind of non-damage ability to distract the attackers to give the other player some breathing space. In situations where the other player was obviously so outclassed and outleveled they didn't have a hope of defeating the NPCs, the higher level players would simply rush in to make the save, even if the difference in levels between the rescuer and mob was so much the rescuer wouldn't get any XP out of it at all. In other words, in a game where you played as a superhero, many players actually acted like heroes.
5th Apr '17 10:45:31 AM KeithM
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* When ''CityOfHeroes'' was active, for the most part players respected the rule but it wasn't uncommon for a higher level character to stumble on a lower-level character battling one of the random mobs on a map and hang around watching and if the player looked like they were going to be defeated, intervening by either buffing the other player to give them a chance to continue, trying to pull some of the attackers away, or using some kind of non-damage ability to distract the attackers to give the other player some breathing space. In situations where the other player was obviously so outclassed and outleveled they didn't have a hope of defeating the NPCs, the higher level players would simply rush in to make the save, even if the difference in levels between the rescuer and mob was so much the rescuer wouldn't get any XP out of it at all. In other words, in a game where you played as a superhero, many players actually acted like heroes.
5th Apr '17 10:07:29 AM JoeMerl
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** Averted however in "Downtime" when the team was [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Clayface and Batman [[DynamicEntry arrived]] to [[BigDamnHeroes save them.]]

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** Averted however in "Downtime" when the team was [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]] by Clayface and Batman [[DynamicEntry arrived]] to [[BigDamnHeroes save them.]]]] Though he ''did'' chew out Aqualad for his poor leadership, though.
** In a darker twist, this is how Comicbook/VandalSavage characterizes [[LegionOfDoom the Light]]'s motives.
-->"[[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld Fifty thousand years of life]], and nothing ever troubled me as much as the founding of the Justice League. Dedicating to maintaining society's calcified status quo, the League would protect mankind from disaster, crime, tragedy of any kind. [[TheSocialDarwinist Had you never heard of the survival of the fittest]]? In essence, you ''heroes'' sought to protect humanity from its own glorious evolution."
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