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18th Mar '17 2:02:34 PM KobyFish
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'': In the Season 2 episode "Prime Target", Astrotrain learns the hard way that Lord Chumley considers the Decepticons' offer of help to capture Autobots as this, especially right after Astrotrain effectively [[KillSteal KS'ed]] him by shooting Optimus Prime in the back as it was tussling with Chumley's robot scorpion drone.
-->'''Lord Chumley''': NO! He was ''MINE''!
9th Feb '17 11:29:10 AM hszmv1
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** An interesting variation of this occurred in one story. An Elderly Woman in a crosswalk is about to be run down by a drunk driver, and she prays to God to let her live at the same time Superman swoops in and saves her. It turns out, the woman lives in the Southside Neighborhood of Metropolis (a.k.a. [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Suicide Slum]]) and was on her way to a church meeting to discuss the rise of gang violence in the community. The woman takes the entire series of events to believe God is on her side and starts confronting criminals. Of course, Superman hears this and comes to her aid each time, noting while it's not ideal to respond to this insanity, the woman was in danger and the people were legitimate criminals. Of course, this fails when the woman tries it and Superman is on the other side of the world helping with a much more serious problem. The result is that the old woman gets shot. Superman does visit her in the hospital and apologizes for not being there but it turns out, the woman is greatful... cause the community learned that Superman can't be there for them all the time AND the woman wasn't doing anything they themselves were not capable of and they could stand up to the local criminals themselves... starting with rebuilding some of the damage to the community.
9th Feb '17 11:13:25 AM hszmv1
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** Of course, there is the counterarguement: God is actively doing something about Evil: [[MundaneMadeAwesome He created everyone with purpose,]] [[SecretTestOfCharacter but gave us the Free Will to ignore that purpose, again going back to an argument above.]] [[WhatYouAreInTheDark By the way... you gave some loose change]] [[AnglesUnaware to that homeless man you passed earlier today,]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion right?]]

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** Of course, there is the counterarguement: God is actively doing something about Evil: [[MundaneMadeAwesome He created everyone with purpose,]] [[SecretTestOfCharacter but gave us the Free Will to ignore that purpose, again going back to an argument above.]] [[WhatYouAreInTheDark By the way... you gave some loose change]] [[AnglesUnaware [[AngelUnaware to that homeless man you passed earlier today,]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion right?]]
9th Feb '17 11:12:28 AM hszmv1
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** Of course, there is the counterarguement: God is actively doing something about Evil: [[MundaneMadeAwesome He created everyone with purpose,]] [[SecretTestOfCharacter but gave us the Free Will to ignore that purpose, again going back to an argument above.]] [[WhatYouAreInTheDark By the way... you gave some loose change]] [[AngelsUnaware to that homeless man you passed earlier today,]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion right?]]

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** Of course, there is the counterarguement: God is actively doing something about Evil: [[MundaneMadeAwesome He created everyone with purpose,]] [[SecretTestOfCharacter but gave us the Free Will to ignore that purpose, again going back to an argument above.]] [[WhatYouAreInTheDark By the way... you gave some loose change]] [[AngelsUnaware [[AnglesUnaware to that homeless man you passed earlier today,]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion right?]]
9th Feb '17 11:11:56 AM hszmv1
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** Of course, there is the counterarguement: God is actively doing something about Evil: [[MundaneMadeAwesome He created everyone with purpose,]] [[SecretTestOfCharacter but gave us the Free Will to ignore that purpose, again going back to an argument above.]] [[WhatYouAreInTheDark By the way... you gave some loose change]] [[AngelsUnaware to that homeless man you passed earlier today,]] [[ArmorPiercingQuestion right?]]
9th Dec '16 2:49:55 AM iroanxi
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[[folder:Fan Works]]
* In ''FanFic/ThisBites'', Squardo and Whitey appealing to Luffy and Ace's honor as pirates is the only thing that stops the [[BigBrotherInstinct latter]] [[spoiler:from rocketing off to immolate Baron Omatsuri alive]].
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1st Dec '16 9:48:35 AM darrenr
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* This is basically Yoda's argument for why Luke should not rush off to save his friends in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' [[spoiler:although he qualifies it by claiming that it's a test Luke just isn't ready for]].
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19th Nov '16 8:54:14 AM FordPrefect
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Although this trope is about passively letting bad things happen rather than actively setting them up, it can apply to a StealthMentor or other TricksterMentor that has set things in motion and then remain in the background while reminding himself that he mustn't step in. Might become a very reluctant DeusExMachina that is really sorry he gave the protagonists that vital information instead of letting them find it themselves, or regrets that he removed [[ThatOneBoss That One Obstacle]]. One of main tools of the SinkOrSwimMentor.

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Although this trope is about passively letting bad things happen rather than actively setting them up, it can apply to a StealthMentor or other TricksterMentor that has set things in motion and then remain in the background while reminding himself that he mustn't step in. Might become a very reluctant DeusExMachina that is really sorry he gave the protagonists that vital information instead of letting them find it themselves, or regrets that he removed [[ThatOneBoss That One Obstacle]]. One of the main tools of the SinkOrSwimMentor.
17th Nov '16 4:36:23 PM AnonymousTrooper
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***In Goku's defense, he was right. Cell found a more proper motivation in threatening everyone -but- Gohan, but he wanted Gohan to unleash his inner strength and win where even Goku couldn't. Some trouble afterward aside, including Goku's own Heroic Sacrifice, Gohan did manage it.
10th Oct '16 5:55:48 PM Fireblood
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* [[spoiler:Jacob]] in ''Series/{{LOST}}''. [[spoiler:Played straight on the island: He doesn't interfere, because he wants everyone to figure out the right thing to do on their own. Subverted in the outside world, as Jacob seeks out Kate in her childhood and saves her from a problem that would likely have been a important life lesson.]]

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* [[spoiler:Jacob]] in ''Series/{{LOST}}''. [[spoiler:Played straight on the island: He doesn't interfere, because he wants everyone to figure out the right thing to do on their own. Subverted in the outside world, as Jacob seeks out Kate in her childhood and saves her from a problem that would likely have been a an important life lesson.]]



* The premise of ''Series/TheTwilightZone2002'' episode "Azoth the Avenger is a Friend of Mine''. A young boy dealing with bullies and an abusive father manages to bring his favorite comicbook hero to life. Azoth defeats the bullies, but loses against the father. Azoth explains to the boy's mother that he could have defeated the father with ease, but if the boy always relies on others to solve his problems for him, he'll never grow up. The boy and his mother stand up to the father and manage to defeat him.

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* The premise of ''Series/TheTwilightZone2002'' episode "Azoth ''Azoth the Avenger is a Friend of Mine''. A young boy dealing with bullies and an abusive father manages to bring his favorite comicbook hero to life. Azoth defeats the bullies, but loses against the father. Azoth explains to the boy's mother that he could have defeated the father with ease, but if the boy always relies on others to solve his problems for him, he'll never grow up. The boy and his mother stand up to the father and manage to defeat him.
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