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23rd Feb '17 7:11:04 AM lavendermintrose
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* In ''Acca: 13 District Inspection Department'', Prince Schwan is regarded as the heir because he is the only (known) son of the king's daughters. [[spoiler: When he realizes Lotta is his cousin, he doesn't care, because she is a girl... until Magie tells him Lotta has a brother.]]
17th Feb '17 2:37:13 PM TechPriest90
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** To say that this "law" was deeply unpopular is putting it mildly. 1857 showed just how much it was hated - while the Indian Government today likes to style the uprising of 1857 as the [[InsistentTerminology First War of Indian Independence]], a more pragmatic observation is that it was largely the local nobles (and their armies, of course) doing most of the killing and maiming - [[ValuesDissonance roughly 100,000 Britishers, almost all of them being Company officials or their mercenaries]] - in retaliation for them trying to snatch their lands away. Good luck trying to find anyone who sympathises with [[AssholeVictim the Company]] in India today though - [[FlameBait it's a touchy subject.]] TheRaj that came afterwards, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm understandably enough]], withdrew the law - AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. For the nobles anyway.

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** To say that this "law" was deeply unpopular is putting it mildly. 1857 showed just how much it was hated - while the Indian Government today likes to style the uprising of 1857 as the [[InsistentTerminology First War of Indian Independence]], a more pragmatic observation is that it was largely the local nobles (and their armies, of course) doing most of the killing and maiming - [[ValuesDissonance roughly 100,000 Britishers, all Britishers they could get their hands on, almost all of them being Company officials or their mercenaries]] - in retaliation for them trying to snatch their lands away. Good luck trying to find anyone who sympathises with [[AssholeVictim the Company]] in India today though - [[FlameBait it's a touchy subject.]] TheRaj that came afterwards, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm understandably enough]], withdrew the law - AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. For the nobles anyway.
17th Feb '17 2:32:59 PM TechPriest90
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* Much like Ancient Rome, the royals of the many kingdoms of UsefulNotes/{{India}} had similar rules. It was quite common to adopt or nominate a heir to throne if none were to be had through procreation (they did mostly tend to be male, though women rulers were not uncommon). The British were, understandably enough, [[MoralMyopia none too pleased with the situation when they landed up,]] since it took away a [[FlawExploitation major exploit]] they'd used in Europe for their power plays, and promptly introduced a [[BerserkButton much-despised "law"]] known as the [[DeadlyEuphemism Doctrine of Lapse]].
** Under this law, of a Ruler had no legitimate heirs [[InsistentTerminology (i.e. from procreation)]], their lands would "lapse" into the control of the [[TheEmpire ''rightful'']] rulers of the land - [[MegaCorp the British East Empire Company]].
** To say that this "law" was deeply unpopular is putting it mildly. 1857 showed just how much it was hated - while the Indian Government today likes to style the uprising of 1857 as the [[InsistentTerminology First War of Indian Independence]], a more pragmatic observation is that it was largely the local nobles (and their armies, of course) doing most of the killing and maiming - [[ValuesDissonance roughly 100,000 Britishers, almost all of them being Company officials or their mercenaries]] - in retaliation for them trying to snatch their lands away. Good luck trying to find anyone who sympathises with [[AssholeVictim the Company]] in India today though - [[FlameBait it's a touchy subject.]] TheRaj that came afterwards, [[KnowWhenToFoldEm understandably enough]], withdrew the law - AndThereWasMuchRejoicing. For the nobles anyway.
12th Feb '17 4:34:03 AM Kakai
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* Underplayed in ''Literature/TheWitchlands'' - Vivia is the heir to the Nubrvenan throne despite having a younger brother, but the Council gives her a lot of grief for being a woman and it's quite obvious that they'd rather marry her off to have a man on the throne or somehow get Merik to be the king. Vivia also notes that while there's no formal rule about the gender of the Council memebers, all women eligible for a seat end up sending a male relative in their stead. [[spoiler:At least until the end of the second book.]]
26th Jan '17 6:49:02 AM alnair20aug93
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[[caption-width-right:350:[-''[[Music/SirMixALot My anaconda]] [[Music/NickiMinaj don't want none]] [[WaxingLyrical unless you bear sons, hun!]]''-] [[labelnote:Also]]The Music/{{Prince}} is dead. Long live the Music/{{Prince}}![[/labelnote]] ]]
24th Jan '17 9:01:32 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': All the noble families seen thus far practice male-preferential primogeniture: the eldest living son inherits, but a daughter can make do if there are no sons. However, according to Septa Mordane, the Iron Throne can only go to the closest male relative. In spite of this, Stannis names his daughter Shireen (his only child) as his heir.
13th Dec '16 5:40:35 AM Clare
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* Enforced in-universe in ''[[Literature/EarthsChildren The Clan of the Cave Bear]]''. Since Clan women are inherently incapable of leadership, each clan is led by a man who invariably passes the leadership on to another male. The new leader is traditionally the oldest son of the previous leader, though there are exceptions. For example, Creb is the oldest son of a leader, but, because he is crippled and therefore unable to truly become a man in the eyes of the Clan, he has instead become his clan's Mog-ur (shaman), while his younger brother, Brun, is leader of the clan.

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* Enforced Justified in-universe in ''[[Literature/EarthsChildren The Clan of the Cave Bear]]''. Since Clan women are inherently incapable of leadership, each clan is led by a man who invariably passes the leadership on to another male. The new leader is traditionally the oldest son of the previous leader, though there are exceptions. For example, Creb is the oldest son of a leader, but, because he is crippled and therefore unable to truly become a man in the eyes of the Clan, he has instead become his clan's Mog-ur (shaman), while his younger brother, Brun, is leader of the clan.
6th Dec '16 5:40:59 AM Gaby007
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* The Black family in ''Fanfic/BlackSky'' is elated to learn that one of Dorea's unborn children is male, meaning he would automatically inherit the Black Lordship over his mother. However, it's justified by the Family Magic being dangerous for a witch's health, so a female heir is prohibited in order to protect her.
** Only a Sky can hope to inherit the mantle of Don Vongola. It's mentioned that Daniela Vongola became Ottava for being the only one of Settimo's children to have Sky Flames.
30th Nov '16 4:44:54 AM Clare
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* Enforced in universe in ''[[Literature/EarthsChildren The Clan of the Cave Bear]]''. Since Clan women are inherently incapable of leadership, each clan is led by a man who invariably passes the leadership on to another male. The new leader is traditionally the oldest son of the previous leader, though there are exceptions. For example, Creb is the oldest son of a leader, but, because he is crippled and therefore unable to truly become a man in the eyes of the Clan, he has instead become his clan's Mog-ur (shaman), while his younger brother, Brun, is leader of the clan.

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* Enforced in universe in-universe in ''[[Literature/EarthsChildren The Clan of the Cave Bear]]''. Since Clan women are inherently incapable of leadership, each clan is led by a man who invariably passes the leadership on to another male. The new leader is traditionally the oldest son of the previous leader, though there are exceptions. For example, Creb is the oldest son of a leader, but, because he is crippled and therefore unable to truly become a man in the eyes of the Clan, he has instead become his clan's Mog-ur (shaman), while his younger brother, Brun, is leader of the clan.
30th Nov '16 4:42:06 AM Clare
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* Enforced in universe in ''[[Literature/EarthsChildren The Clan of the Cave Bear]]''. Since Clan women are inherently incapable of leadership, each clan is led by a man who invariably passes the leadership on to another male. The new leader is traditionally the oldest son of the previous leader, though there are exceptions. For example, Creb is the oldest son of a leader, but, because he is crippled and therefore unable to truly become a man in the eyes of the Clan, he has instead become his clan's Mog-ur (shaman), while his younger brother, Brun, is leader of the clan.
** On the other hand, Clan men lack the racial memories of healing plants which medicine women possess, resulting in an [[GenderInvertedTrope Heir Club for Women]], in which each medicine woman passes on her knowledge only to her daughters.
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