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15th Jan '16 1:44:18 AM ForminaSage
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* In ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'', general de Jarjayes, annoyed after his latest attempt at having a male heir to inherit his titles ([[JustifiedTrope necessary due French law]]) failed, decided to raise his youngest daughter as a man. Differently from usual instances, everyone knows that Oscar is actually a woman, they just feign she's a man. Also, at one point de Jarjayes [[OhCrap realizes that Oscar will fight in the imminent]] UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, and tries to just marry her off... Only to have her scare any and all prospective groom away.
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* In ''Manga/RoseOfVersailles'', general de Jarjayes, annoyed after his latest attempt at having a male heir to inherit his titles ([[JustifiedTrope necessary due French law]]) failed, decided to raise his youngest daughter as a man. Differently from usual instances, everyone knows that Oscar is actually a woman, they just feign she's a man. Also, at one point de Jarjayes [[OhCrap realizes that Oscar will fight in the imminent]] UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution French Revolution,]] and tries to just marry her off... Only to have her scare any and all prospective groom grooms away.
4th Jan '16 12:44:33 PM YTDN
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** This doesn't stop Margot however, since in season 3 [[spoiler: with Hannibal's help she gets hold of Mason's sperm and her wife Alana uses it to become pregnant and give birth to a son.]]
7th Dec '15 12:08:17 PM KeithM
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*** None of the British monarchs since 1910 (George V, Edward VIII, George VI, Elizabeth II, and the future (presumably) Charles III, William V, and George VII) would have been or would be affected by the change. You have to go back to 1841 when the future Edward VII was born a year after his older sister supplanting her as heir to Queen Victoria.
29th Nov '15 3:21:25 PM WillKeaton
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Also: The blurb is a reference to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_Club Hair Club for Men]], a company that specializes in hair restoration and hair replacement. The blurb is their actual sales pitch from their web site... with a few words changed to fit this trope.
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Also: The blurb is a reference to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_Club Hair Club for Men]], Men,]] a company that specializes in hair restoration and hair replacement. The blurb is their actual sales pitch from their web site... with a few words changed to fit this trope.
20th Oct '15 7:28:01 PM HeraldAlberich
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* A side plot in the ''LastHeraldMage'' trilogy by Creator/MercedesLackey is that [[spoiler:King Randale of Valdemar is sterile. To hide this fact, Vanyel sires a child on Randale's lifebonded mate (at her request).]]
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* A side plot in the ''LastHeraldMage'' trilogy ''Literature/LastHeraldMageTrilogy'' by Creator/MercedesLackey is that [[spoiler:King Randale of Valdemar is sterile. To hide this fact, Vanyel sires a child on Randale's lifebonded mate (at her request).]]]] In general, Valdemaran royalty, like the Heralds, is gender neutral, with Queens as likely as Kings. The nobility is not as enlightened, preferring male heirs strongly.
11th Oct '15 5:35:21 PM nombretomado
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** In ''Literature/IceCrown'', downplayed; Princess Ludorica says her grandfather would have prefered a prince, but has used her.
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** In ''Literature/IceCrown'', downplayed; Princess Ludorica says her grandfather would have prefered preferred a prince, but has used her.

* In PiersAnthony's ''ASpellForChameleon'', the Magician Trent must marry the Sorceress Iris in order to remain in Literature/{{Xanth}}; this condition is set because only Magicians can rule in Xanth, and in hopes that their powers will ensure that they have a Magician son. In ''The Source of Magic'', the widowed Trent has difficulty ensuring an heir because he's still in love with his first wife; they do succeed, in time, in having a child, but a daughter. Finally, in ''Night Mare'', when Magicians are being removed as soon as they are King, during an invasion, LoopholeAbuse is invoked: the laws of Literature/{{Xanth}} forbid a ruling queen, but [[SheIsTheKing do not explicitly require that kings be male]]. Sorceresses, both Iris and her daughter, ascend the throne as Kings.
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* In PiersAnthony's Creator/PiersAnthony's ''ASpellForChameleon'', the Magician Trent must marry the Sorceress Iris in order to remain in Literature/{{Xanth}}; this condition is set because only Magicians can rule in Xanth, and in hopes that their powers will ensure that they have a Magician son. In ''The Source of Magic'', the widowed Trent has difficulty ensuring an heir because he's still in love with his first wife; they do succeed, in time, in having a child, but a daughter. Finally, in ''Night Mare'', when Magicians are being removed as soon as they are King, during an invasion, LoopholeAbuse is invoked: the laws of Literature/{{Xanth}} forbid a ruling queen, but [[SheIsTheKing do not explicitly require that kings be male]]. Sorceresses, both Iris and her daughter, ascend the throne as Kings.
30th Sep '15 12:02:16 PM animenutcase
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' has the odd example of [[spoiler:Naoto Shirogane]]. As a female [[spoiler:born into a long family of detectives]] she's convinced that she'll never be able to continue the family tradition as a girl [[spoiler:and tries to pass herself off as male until she's exposed]]. Interesting this does not seem to be her family's view at all. [[spoiler:We never meet her grandfather, only one of his servants, but from the message he delivers it's clear he has no doubt that his granddaughter will make a fine detective and in fact was concerned that she wasn't being true to herself by faking being male.]]
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* ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' has the odd example of [[spoiler:Naoto Shirogane]]. As a female [[spoiler:born into a long family of detectives]] she's convinced that she'll never be able to continue the family tradition as a girl [[spoiler:and tries to pass herself off as male until she's exposed]]. Interesting Interestingly, this does not seem to be her family's view at all. [[spoiler:We never meet her grandfather, only one of his servants, but from the message he delivers it's clear he has no doubt that his granddaughter will make a fine detective and in fact was concerned that she wasn't being true to herself by faking being male.]]
30th Sep '15 12:00:49 PM animenutcase
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. The countries of Ferox and Plegia do not have a dynastic line; Ferox has leaders based on strength and Plegia appears to have an elected monarchy [[spoiler: In Plegia Gangrel became king through trickery and Validar was a priest of the Grimaleal]]. Rosanne appears to be dynastic line, but the only character mentioned is the male Virion. Justified aversion in Ylisse. Emmeryn became Exalt because she was the eldest-- at the age of fourteen. Her younger brother Chrom does not ascend the throne when he is old enough, [[spoiler: he only does after she dies.]]. Also averted and justified in the Future Past; only [[spoiler: Lucina]] can become Exalt because [[spoiler: only she can use the Falchion, to kill Grima]], and whether she has a younger brother or not never has any effect on plot.
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. The countries of Ferox and Plegia do not have a dynastic line; Ferox has leaders based on strength and Plegia appears to have an elected monarchy [[spoiler: In Plegia Gangrel became king through trickery and Validar was a priest of the Grimaleal]]. Rosanne appears to be dynastic line, but the only character mentioned is the male Virion. Justified aversion in Ylisse. Emmeryn became Exalt because she was the eldest-- at the age of fourteen.nine. Her younger brother Chrom does not ascend the throne when he is old enough, [[spoiler: he only does after she dies.]]. Also averted and justified in the Future Past; only [[spoiler: Lucina]] can become Exalt because [[spoiler: only she can use the Falchion, to kill Grima]], and whether she has a younger brother or not never has any effect on plot.
28th Sep '15 7:32:38 PM sgamer82
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* The aversion of this trope forms the basis of ''LightNovel/OdaNobunaNoYabou''; its AlternateUniverse version of [[JidaiGeki sengoku period]] practices equal primogeniture which justified its {{gender flip}}ping some historical figures but nor others.
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* The aversion of this trope forms the basis of ''LightNovel/OdaNobunaNoYabou''; ''LightNovel/TheAmbitionOfOdaNobuna''; its AlternateUniverse version of [[JidaiGeki sengoku period]] practices equal primogeniture which justified its {{gender flip}}ping some historical figures but nor others.
27th Sep '15 2:54:27 PM Bissek
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*** Nowadays, the UK is moving beyond this: Until recently, women could inherit [[DoubleStandard if they had no living brothers]] (male-preference primogeniture), but on the announcement of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy a new law was passed so that her children (and any future generations) will inherit in age order regardless of gender. [[GrandfatherClause No such luck for Princess Anne, though, who is still stuck behind her two younger brothers and all their children]].
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*** Nowadays, the UK is moving beyond this: Until recently, women could inherit [[DoubleStandard if they had no living brothers]] (male-preference primogeniture), but on the announcement of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy a new law was passed so that her children (and any future generations) will inherit in age order regardless of gender. [[GrandfatherClause No such luck for Princess Anne, though, who is still stuck behind her two younger brothers and all their children]]. Of course, since her first child was male, this rule change is unlikely to have real impact on the succession in the near future.
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