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25th May '16 11:26:20 PM LordInsane
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** The Conclave expansion allows toning down this, by introducing a (technology-unlocked) set of laws representing women's status in your domain. A sufficiently high tier gives access to Absolute Cognatic succession even if you aren't Basque or Cathar, and the top tier removes the relation penalty for female heirs or rulers.
16th May '16 2:05:36 PM Doug86
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's stories of Literature/ConanTheBarbarian after he became king, several times it is a plot point that Conan's death creates a problem, as he has no son. Oddly enough, we never see any pressure on him to marry and have one, though in other stories he does eventually get married and have a son.

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's stories of Literature/ConanTheBarbarian Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian after he became king, several times it is a plot point that Conan's death creates a problem, as he has no son. Oddly enough, we never see any pressure on him to marry and have one, though in other stories he does eventually get married and have a son.
4th May '16 11:04:02 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Poor Eva Ushiromiya from ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi''. She and her father knew she was more competent and a better fit as the heir than her older brother, but their father refused to allow her to be the heir. [[AltarTheSpeed But then she married before Krauss]], had a child before Natsuhi (and Natsuhi never had a son whereas Eva did), and groomed him to be the perfect heir to steal the title from the incompetent Krauss. [[spoiler:[[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Oh, and when she solves the epitaph...]]]]

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* Poor Eva Ushiromiya from ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi''.''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry''. She and her father knew she was more competent and a better fit as the heir than her older brother, but their father refused to allow her to be the heir. [[AltarTheSpeed But then she married before Krauss]], had a child before Natsuhi (and Natsuhi never had a son whereas Eva did), and groomed him to be the perfect heir to steal the title from the incompetent Krauss. [[spoiler:[[AwesomeMomentOfCrowning Oh, and when she solves the epitaph...]]]]
3rd May '16 9:44:30 PM infernape612
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' plays this straight in Hoshido and averts it in Nohr. In ''Birthright'', you learn that since heir apparent Xander [[spoiler:died at the end of the war]], Camilla is nominally next in line for the Nohrian throne, but she chooses to AbdicateTheThrone, and Leo becomes King. In ''Conquest'', when Hinoka becomes queen of Hoshido, she admits that she never expected to become queen since she always assumed heir apparent Ryoma or, God forbid something happened to him, her younger brother Takumi would become king. [[spoiler:Too bad they both die late in the war.]]

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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' plays this straight in Hoshido and averts it in Nohr. In ''Birthright'', you learn that since heir apparent Xander [[spoiler:died at the end of the war]], Camilla is nominally next in line for the Nohrian throne, but she chooses to AbdicateTheThrone, and Leo becomes King.king. In ''Conquest'', when Hinoka becomes queen of Hoshido, she admits that she never expected to become queen since she always assumed heir apparent Ryoma or, God forbid something happened to him, her younger brother Takumi would become king. [[spoiler:Too bad they both die late in the war.]]
3rd May '16 9:44:02 PM infernape612
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' plays this straight in Hoshido and averts it in Nohr. In ''Birthright'', you learn that since heir apparent Xander [[spoiler:died at the end of the war]], Camilla is nominally next in line for the Nohrian throne, but she chooses to AbdicateTheThrone, and Leo becomes King. In ''Conquest'', when Hinoka becomes queen of Hoshido, she admits that she never expected to become queen since she always assumed heir apparent Ryoma or, God forbid something happened to him, her younger brother Takumi would become king. [[spoiler:Too bad they both die late in the war.]]
29th Mar '16 3:52:55 PM RedRoverRedRover
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** Six European countries have done away with this altogether: Sweden, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Denmark, and the United Kingdom. In other words, these countries provide that a woman can inherit the throne even if she has younger brothers (sometimes known as "absolute primogeniture"). The first of these changes was passed in Sweden effective January 1, 1980, and so far no woman has actually inherited a crown via absolute primogeniture; Sweden's Crown Princess Victoria is likely to eventually become the first woman in the modern world to inherit a crown despite having a living brother. The British example is, as usual, a little bit odd, in that it was only passed in 2013 and does not apply retroactively; what this means, as a practical matter, is that nothing has seriously changed, since first child to be affected by the law, Prince George, would've had the same place in the succession under the old laws (being the eldest son as well as the eldest child); unless he (God forbid) predeceases his father, nothing has changed.[[note]]Bear in mind that the [[UsefulNotes/TheCommonwealth Commonwealth Realms]] put a substantial wrinkle in this; see below for details.[[/note]]

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** Six Seven European countries have done away with this altogether: Sweden, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Denmark, and the United Kingdom. In other words, these countries provide that a woman can inherit the throne even if she has younger brothers (sometimes known as "absolute primogeniture"). The first of these changes was passed in Sweden effective January 1, 1980, and so far no woman has actually inherited a crown via absolute primogeniture; Sweden's Crown Princess Victoria is likely to eventually become the first woman in the modern world to inherit a crown despite having a living brother. The British example is, as usual, a little bit odd, in that it was only passed in 2013 and does not apply retroactively; what this means, as a practical matter, is that nothing has seriously changed, since first child to be affected by the law, Prince George, would've had the same place in the succession under the old laws (being the eldest son as well as the eldest child); unless he (God forbid) predeceases his father, nothing has changed.[[note]]Bear in mind that the [[UsefulNotes/TheCommonwealth Commonwealth Realms]] put a substantial wrinkle in this; see below for details.[[/note]]
29th Mar '16 3:51:20 PM RedRoverRedRover
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** Of the other European countries that still have monarchies, Spain and Monaco have succession laws like the UK had until 2014, i.e. male-preference primogeniture (younger brothers inherit the crown before their older sisters), although Spain has some vague plans to adopt absolute primogeniture for the successors of current King Felipe VI (not that it really matters; the King has only daughters). Luxembourg and Liechtenstein follow what's known as "semi-Salic law", in which a woman can only inherit the crown if the entire royal family runs out of male heirs, including her own sons. Another once-common succession law was the "Salic law" (the non-"semi" version), in which only male descendants in male line could inherit the crown at all; this was applied in France and some other countries, but none of the extant European monarchies still follow it (on the other hand, Japan does).

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** Of the other European countries that still have monarchies, Spain and Monaco have succession laws like the UK had until 2014, i.e. male-preference primogeniture (younger brothers inherit the crown before their older sisters), although Spain has some vague plans to adopt absolute primogeniture for the successors of current King Felipe VI (not that it really matters; the King has only daughters). Luxembourg and Liechtenstein follow follows what's known as "semi-Salic law", in which a woman can only inherit the crown if the entire royal family runs out of male heirs, including her own sons. Another once-common succession law was the "Salic law" (the non-"semi" version), in which only male descendants in male line could inherit the crown at all; this was applied in France and some other countries, but none of the extant European monarchies still follow it (on the other hand, Japan does).
16th Mar '16 2:20:16 PM ElBuenCuate
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*** While spain tries to get absolute primogeniture, there is already a law that states that when a new King accends, and a new Prince of Asturias (heir pressumptive) is appointed, nothing can move them from there. So, once a Princess of Asturias is appointed, she is the heir even if new brothers appear later on (which is still possible with the young King Felipe VI).
9th Mar '16 11:00:49 PM HeraldAlberich
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* A side plot in the ''Literature/LastHeraldMageTrilogy'' by Creator/MercedesLackey is that [[spoiler:King Randale of Valdemar is sterile. To hide this fact, Vanyel sires a child on Randale's lifebonded mate (at her request).]] In general, Valdemaran royalty, like the Heralds, is gender neutral, with Queens as likely as Kings. The nobility is not as enlightened, preferring male heirs strongly.

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* Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar series:
** Notably {{averted}} by the Valdemaran royal family; with Companions Choosing as many girls as boys, the Heralds know better than to think a Queen would be less effective a ruler than a King. Queen Selenay rules both before and during her marriages (and her husbands remain Princes), and her daughter Elspeth remains Heir even after her younger half-brother is born, until she explicitly {{abdicate|TheThrone}}s. Valdemar's nobility, however, is not so enlightened, preferring male heirs strongly.
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A side plot in the ''Literature/LastHeraldMageTrilogy'' by Creator/MercedesLackey is that [[spoiler:King Randale of Valdemar is sterile. To hide this fact, Vanyel sires a child on Randale's lifebonded mate (at her request).]] In general, Valdemaran royalty, like the Heralds, is gender neutral, with Queens as likely as Kings. The nobility is not as enlightened, preferring male heirs strongly.request)]].
29th Feb '16 6:44:02 PM animenutcase
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. The countries of Ferox and Plegia do not have a dynastic line; Ferox has leaders based on strength and Plegia appears to have an elected monarchy [[spoiler: In Plegia Gangrel became king through trickery and Validar was a priest of the Grimaleal]]. Rosanne appears to be dynastic line, but the only character mentioned is the male Virion. Justified aversion in Ylisse. Emmeryn became Exalt because she was the eldest-- at the age of nine. Her younger brother Chrom does not ascend the throne when he is old enough, [[spoiler: he only does after she dies.]]. Also averted and justified in the Future Past; only [[spoiler: Lucina]] can become Exalt because [[spoiler: only she can use the Falchion, to kill Grima]], and whether she has a younger brother or not never has any effect on plot.

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** Averted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. The countries of Ferox and Plegia do not have a dynastic line; Ferox has leaders based on strength and Plegia appears to have an elected monarchy [[spoiler: In Plegia Gangrel became king through trickery and Validar was a priest of the Grimaleal]]. Rosanne appears to be dynastic line, but the only character mentioned is the male Virion. Justified aversion in Ylisse. Emmeryn became Exalt because she was the eldest-- at the age of nine. Her younger brother Chrom does not ascend the throne when he is old enough, [[spoiler: he only does after she dies.]].dies, and even if you do the Spotpass Paralogue that reveals she's still alive, she's [[TraumaInducedAmnesia no longer in a state where she can rule]]]]. Also averted and justified in the Future Past; only [[spoiler: Lucina]] can become Exalt because [[spoiler: only she can use the Falchion, to kill Grima]], and whether she has a younger brother or not never has any effect on plot.
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