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12th Oct '17 2:29:48 AM Tahaneira
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** In the [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicII sequel]], you can install a 'HK Protocol Pacifist Package' into [[RoboticPsychopath HK-47]], with the effect of making him not only incapable of hurting anyone, but saccharinely vocal about it. This is played entirely for laughs and lasts for one cutscene.
17th Sep '17 7:54:12 AM Shadowgazer
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It should be noted that if any kind of brainwashing is successful in turning a person from one side to the opposing side, the brainwashee will often automatically consider the change (by virtue of the brainwashing itself) to be a HeelFaceTurn, no matter what the real case is. If their memories are intact, then their personality and values generally change so that they now [[HeelRealization see their past actions in a different light]], and may [[TearsOfRemorse feel remorseful over them]].

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It should be noted that if any kind of brainwashing is successful in turning a person from one side to the opposing side, the brainwashee will often automatically consider the change (by virtue of the brainwashing itself) to be a HeelFaceTurn, no matter what the real case is. If their memories are intact, then their personality and values generally change so that they now [[HeelRealization see their past actions in a different light]], and may [[TearsOfRemorse feel remorseful over them]]. When the writers do elaborate on the whole procedure it can involve the subject facing their worst fears and getting their sensitive side agitated to the point of identifying those negative experiences with their aggressive feelings, in essence breaking their mind even after the session is over. It may also include physical suffering whenever these aggressive desires show up, which means that the subject's mind is stuck in a permanently soft point and can't channel a large part of their inner nature. Many can claim that it's not really a moral change since its forced and the person doesn't consciously choose good, they are just incapable of being their real selves.
16th Sep '17 8:03:16 AM Shadowgazer
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* A very peculiar variation happens in the ''Animation/TheElmChantedForest'' to the point of it being more of a aversion rather than a straight example. Specifically: [[spoiler: the good guys theorise that King Cactus (who is the god/spirit of earth and all its plants) is evil because he hasn't reached his true, perfect form and is still stuck in the thorn stage for some reason. So by using white magic courtesy of the gnome magician Thistle they prepare a potion that makes the King bloom and turn both in body and mind into the personification of spring. So in essence they didn't brainwash him, they actually corrected his imperfect form and helped him reach his full potential which completely also affected and altered his personality.]]
8th Sep '17 11:41:47 AM Bugfragged
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* In ''VideoGame/MegamanBattleNetwork5'', the BigBad is almost convinced to give up on his evil ways, but he decides against it because he believes [[IveComeTooFar he's gone too far]] to be redeemed. [[spoiler:Cue [[EvenEvilHasStandards Dr. Wily]] of all people using the Soulnet to erase his memories, forcing Regal to reform.]]
21st Aug '17 10:07:50 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Film/OneHundredAndTwoDalmatians'', this is tried on Cruella de Vil. This being a Creator/{{Disney}} film, it works until [[StatusQuoIsGod it's broken]], and then...

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* In ''Film/OneHundredAndTwoDalmatians'', this ''Film/OneHundredAndTwoDalmatians'': This is tried on Cruella de Vil. This being a Creator/{{Disney}} film, it Vil through hypnosis. It initially works until and she starts to lovingly embrace any puppy she sees, but it turns out that a loud clock noise can counteract it. And since this film is set in ''London'', [[StatusQuoIsGod it's broken]], only a matter of time]] before good ol' Big Ben turns Cruella back into her evil self again and then...she goes right back to being CruellaToAnimals.
7th Aug '17 8:42:16 PM nanakiro
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* The finale of ''Anime/SpacePatrolLuluco'' has Luluco turn [[spoiler:Nova]] from his FaceHeelTurn by [[spoiler:shooting him with an Aflutter Jewel-powered CareBearStare until he gains a Jewel of his own.]] It's a bit unclear if it was really brainwashing, however; [[spoiler:since he was a Nothingling and biologically ''couldn't'' feel strong emotions, and the Aflutter Jewel was also showing him everything he experienced with Luluco, he could have just been evaluating the unknown feelings he had for her and finally realized what they were.]]
17th Jul '17 7:39:49 AM RegShoe
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* This is the main part of the criminal justice system on Beta Colony in Literature/VorkosiganSaga. They don't have prisons but dangerous or violent criminals get sentenced to "therapy". It isn't a total rewrite, but it does change the offender on a fundamental level to make them someone who would not offend that way again. We never see a before and after, but "happy, vacant smiles" are mentioned by at least one Betan who fears being sentenced to it.
17th Jul '17 2:31:31 AM omegafire17
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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him. Several characters in-game do point out that this feels very much like ProtagonistCenteredMorality.

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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes crimes, such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him. Several characters in-game do point out that this feels very much like ProtagonistCenteredMorality.ProtagonistCenteredMorality, yet at the same time, conventional methods just won't work and doing nothing means the vile acts continue unopposed; it's essentially the lesser of two evils.
10th Jun '17 2:20:12 AM Az_Tech341
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Someone is {{Brainwashed}} or {{Mind Control}}led into a HeelFaceTurn. Yes, that's right, a '''Heel Face''' Turn (a bad guy turning good).

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Someone is {{Brainwashed}} or {{Mind Control}}led into a HeelFaceTurn. Yes, that's right, right: a '''Heel Face''' ''Heel Face'' Turn (a bad guy turning good).



In-universe, the GodzillaThreshold can justify almost anything, but on a meta level, when this happens, it means that either the morality is BlackAndGreyMorality (or GreyAndGrayMorality), or there is ''serious'' ValuesDissonance going on, or maybe just thoughtless MoralDissonance. Occasionally, the heroes ask first, and the villain figures that he's stronger than whatever they will do, and accepts, only for it to work.

Someone who breaks the brainwashing that put him in a Heel Face MindScrew, if he doesn't decide on his own to stay good (the PowerOfFriendship [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment is powerful]]) similar to AmnesiacDissonance, will likely be [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge a more formidable enemy than before]] out of [[PygmalionSnapback righteous indignation]]. If they have some special powers, [[BadPowersBadPeople it's much more likely that they'll break the brainwashing after exhibiting said powers]].

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In-universe, the GodzillaThreshold can justify almost anything, but but, on a meta level, when this happens, it means that either the morality is BlackAndGreyMorality (or GreyAndGrayMorality), or there is ''serious'' ValuesDissonance going on, or maybe just thoughtless MoralDissonance. Occasionally, the heroes ask first, and the villain figures that he's stronger than whatever they will do, and accepts, only for it to work.

Someone who breaks the brainwashing that put him in a Heel Face MindScrew, if he doesn't decide on his own to stay good (the PowerOfFriendship [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment is powerful]]) - similar to AmnesiacDissonance, AmnesiacDissonance - will likely be [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge a more formidable enemy than before]] out of [[PygmalionSnapback righteous indignation]]. If they have some special powers, [[BadPowersBadPeople it's much more likely that they'll break the brainwashing after exhibiting said powers]].



It should be noted that if any kind of brainwashing is successful in turning a person from one side to the opposing side, the brainwashee will often automatically consider the change (by virtue of the brainwashing itself) to be a HeelFaceTurn, no matter what the real case is. If their memories are intact, then generally their personality and values change so that they now [[HeelRealization see their past actions in a different light]], and may [[TearsOfRemorse feel remorseful over them]].

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It should be noted that if any kind of brainwashing is successful in turning a person from one side to the opposing side, the brainwashee will often automatically consider the change (by virtue of the brainwashing itself) to be a HeelFaceTurn, no matter what the real case is. If their memories are intact, then generally their personality and values generally change so that they now [[HeelRealization see their past actions in a different light]], and may [[TearsOfRemorse feel remorseful over them]].
7th Jun '17 7:03:46 PM nombretomado
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** Given a ShoutOut in the WhateleyUniverse story 'Razzle Dazzle', in which the narrating supervillain (who probably [[UnreliableNarrator isn't entirely honest overall]], mind) reminisces about how he basically shut down the setting's Doc Savage {{Expy}} hard by blowing the whistle on the massively debilitating ''long-term'' consequences of his version of the process...

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** Given a ShoutOut in the WhateleyUniverse Literature/WhateleyUniverse story 'Razzle Dazzle', in which the narrating supervillain (who probably [[UnreliableNarrator isn't entirely honest overall]], mind) reminisces about how he basically shut down the setting's Doc Savage {{Expy}} hard by blowing the whistle on the massively debilitating ''long-term'' consequences of his version of the process...
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