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17th Jul '17 7:39:49 AM RegShoe
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* This is the main part of the criminal justice system on Beta Colony in Literature/VorkosiganSaga. They don't have prisons but dangerous or violent criminals get sentenced to "therapy". It isn't a total rewrite, but it does change the offender on a fundamental level to make them someone who would not offend that way again. We never see a before and after, but "happy, vacant smiles" are mentioned by at least one Betan who fears being sentenced to it.
17th Jul '17 2:31:31 AM omegafire17
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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him. Several characters in-game do point out that this feels very much like ProtagonistCenteredMorality.

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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes crimes, such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him. Several characters in-game do point out that this feels very much like ProtagonistCenteredMorality.ProtagonistCenteredMorality, yet at the same time, conventional methods just won't work and doing nothing means the vile acts continue unopposed; it's essentially the lesser of two evils.
10th Jun '17 2:20:12 AM Az_Tech341
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Someone is {{Brainwashed}} or {{Mind Control}}led into a HeelFaceTurn. Yes, that's right, a '''Heel Face''' Turn (a bad guy turning good).

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Someone is {{Brainwashed}} or {{Mind Control}}led into a HeelFaceTurn. Yes, that's right, right: a '''Heel Face''' ''Heel Face'' Turn (a bad guy turning good).



In-universe, the GodzillaThreshold can justify almost anything, but on a meta level, when this happens, it means that either the morality is BlackAndGreyMorality (or GreyAndGrayMorality), or there is ''serious'' ValuesDissonance going on, or maybe just thoughtless MoralDissonance. Occasionally, the heroes ask first, and the villain figures that he's stronger than whatever they will do, and accepts, only for it to work.

Someone who breaks the brainwashing that put him in a Heel Face MindScrew, if he doesn't decide on his own to stay good (the PowerOfFriendship [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment is powerful]]) similar to AmnesiacDissonance, will likely be [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge a more formidable enemy than before]] out of [[PygmalionSnapback righteous indignation]]. If they have some special powers, [[BadPowersBadPeople it's much more likely that they'll break the brainwashing after exhibiting said powers]].

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In-universe, the GodzillaThreshold can justify almost anything, but but, on a meta level, when this happens, it means that either the morality is BlackAndGreyMorality (or GreyAndGrayMorality), or there is ''serious'' ValuesDissonance going on, or maybe just thoughtless MoralDissonance. Occasionally, the heroes ask first, and the villain figures that he's stronger than whatever they will do, and accepts, only for it to work.

Someone who breaks the brainwashing that put him in a Heel Face MindScrew, if he doesn't decide on his own to stay good (the PowerOfFriendship [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment is powerful]]) - similar to AmnesiacDissonance, AmnesiacDissonance - will likely be [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge a more formidable enemy than before]] out of [[PygmalionSnapback righteous indignation]]. If they have some special powers, [[BadPowersBadPeople it's much more likely that they'll break the brainwashing after exhibiting said powers]].



It should be noted that if any kind of brainwashing is successful in turning a person from one side to the opposing side, the brainwashee will often automatically consider the change (by virtue of the brainwashing itself) to be a HeelFaceTurn, no matter what the real case is. If their memories are intact, then generally their personality and values change so that they now [[HeelRealization see their past actions in a different light]], and may [[TearsOfRemorse feel remorseful over them]].

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It should be noted that if any kind of brainwashing is successful in turning a person from one side to the opposing side, the brainwashee will often automatically consider the change (by virtue of the brainwashing itself) to be a HeelFaceTurn, no matter what the real case is. If their memories are intact, then generally their personality and values generally change so that they now [[HeelRealization see their past actions in a different light]], and may [[TearsOfRemorse feel remorseful over them]].
7th Jun '17 7:03:46 PM nombretomado
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** Given a ShoutOut in the WhateleyUniverse story 'Razzle Dazzle', in which the narrating supervillain (who probably [[UnreliableNarrator isn't entirely honest overall]], mind) reminisces about how he basically shut down the setting's Doc Savage {{Expy}} hard by blowing the whistle on the massively debilitating ''long-term'' consequences of his version of the process...

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** Given a ShoutOut in the WhateleyUniverse Literature/WhateleyUniverse story 'Razzle Dazzle', in which the narrating supervillain (who probably [[UnreliableNarrator isn't entirely honest overall]], mind) reminisces about how he basically shut down the setting's Doc Savage {{Expy}} hard by blowing the whistle on the massively debilitating ''long-term'' consequences of his version of the process...
26th May '17 10:43:37 PM Shadowgazer
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* ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' is a possible UrExample and also an UnbuiltTrope - VillainProtagonist Alex is conditioned to have strongly adverse reactions to the mere thought of sex or violence, and it pretty clearly ruins his life. Alex seems to remain the same way he was before the treatment: his brainwashing just prevents him from acting on it. In effect, it's more of a RestrainingBolt. This was one of [[AnAesop the main points of the story]]: if you ''force'' someone to be good against their will, then they aren't really a good person. And when Alex does become a RetiredMonster (depending on what version of the story you're reading) in the end, it's not because of the conditioning but because he just doesn't find wanton violence fun anymore. Which was the reason the rest of his droogs eventually gave up the life and something that was already starting to happen with Alex even before the brainwashing.

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* ''Literature/AClockworkOrange'' is a possible UrExample and also an UnbuiltTrope - VillainProtagonist Alex is conditioned to have strongly adverse reactions to the mere thought of sex or violence, and it pretty clearly ruins his life. Alex seems to remain the same way he was before the treatment: his brainwashing just prevents him from acting on it. In effect, it's more of a RestrainingBolt. This was one of [[AnAesop the main points of the story]]: if you ''force'' someone to be good against their will, then they aren't really a good person. And when Alex does become a RetiredMonster (depending on what version of the story you're reading) in the end, it's not because of the conditioning but because he just doesn't find wanton violence fun anymore. He doesn't even regret it, he merely gets tired of it. Which was the reason the rest of his droogs eventually gave up the wanton part of that life and something that was already starting to happen with Alex even before the brainwashing.
2nd May '17 7:50:18 PM infernape612
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* This is optional to recruit BigBad [[spoiler:Darkrai]] after the end of ''[[VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky]]'' He [[spoiler:developed amnesia thanks to being attacked mid-time-travel after the final battle, and can be found wandering aimlessly through random dungeons like a wild Pokemon; and like a wild Pokemon, he can be recruited to your team.]]

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* This is optional to recruit BigBad [[spoiler:Darkrai]] after the end of ''[[VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeonExplorers Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky]]'' Time/Darkness/Sky]]''. He [[spoiler:developed amnesia thanks to being attacked mid-time-travel after the final battle, and can be found wandering aimlessly through random dungeons like a wild Pokemon; and like a wild Pokemon, he can be recruited to your team.]]
22nd Apr '17 8:19:36 PM nombretomado
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** However, considering there was one dark elf who was so overcome by the beauty of Elvandar that he had ''thought'' he converted, only to be gently rejected by the elven queen who recognized this as more of a heat of the moment decision, shows that perhaps it's more of a case of becoming tired of SurvivalOfTheFittest ChaoticEvil and just deciding to rid themselves of all that.

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** However, considering there was one dark elf who was so overcome by the beauty of Elvandar that he had ''thought'' he converted, only to be gently rejected by the elven queen who recognized this as more of a heat of the moment decision, shows that perhaps it's more of a case of becoming tired of SurvivalOfTheFittest TheSocialDarwinist ChaoticEvil and just deciding to rid themselves of all that.
18th Apr '17 11:48:10 PM Az
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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him.

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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him. Several characters in-game do point out that this feels very much like ProtagonistCenteredMorality.
9th Apr '17 1:47:58 PM TheomanZero
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** At the end of Creator/ChrisClaremont's run on ''X-Men'', ComicBook/{{Magneto}} finds out that Moira [=MacTaggert=] had a procedure like this done to him after he was turned into a child during one of his many zany schemes for world conquest. Thinking that this was the reason for his HeelFaceTurn, he uses the procedure on one of the X-Men teams for a FaceHeelTurn, but finds out that the use of mutant powers quickly reverse the effects of the procedure. (A matter of minutes.) All the good he'd done was really of his own free will. Then he [[DisneyDeath dies]], but he got better, and became a one-dimensional cliched villain again who later uses drugs, because being bad wasn't bad enough. Then he [[OffWithHisHead dies again]] until Claremont finally got a hold of him for some CharacterRerailment in the relaunch of ''ComicBook/Excalibur'': psycho druggie Mags wasn't the ''real'' Erik, whose HeelFaceTurn had stuck. He's currently in AntiHero mode. Of course, Erik playing nice is [[GoodIsNotNice very much]] [[GoodIsNotSoft still Erik]].

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** At the end of Creator/ChrisClaremont's run on ''X-Men'', ComicBook/{{Magneto}} finds out that Moira [=MacTaggert=] had a procedure like this done to him after he was turned into a child during one of his many zany schemes for world conquest. Thinking that this was the reason for his HeelFaceTurn, he uses the procedure on one of the X-Men teams for a FaceHeelTurn, but finds out that the use of mutant powers quickly reverse the effects of the procedure. (A matter of minutes.) All the good he'd done was really of his own free will. Then he [[DisneyDeath dies]], but he got better, and became a one-dimensional cliched villain again who later uses drugs, because being bad wasn't bad enough. Then he [[OffWithHisHead dies again]] until Claremont finally got a hold of him for some CharacterRerailment in the relaunch of ''ComicBook/Excalibur'': ''ComicBook/{{Excalibur}}'': psycho druggie Mags wasn't the ''real'' Erik, whose HeelFaceTurn had stuck. He's currently in AntiHero mode. Of course, Erik playing nice is [[GoodIsNotNice very much]] [[GoodIsNotSoft still Erik]].
4th Apr '17 12:47:58 AM Hanz
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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. The exact specifics aren't know at this point, but we see its effects on a BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him.

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** The MO of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts in ''VideoGame/Persona5''. They target corrupt adults who are beyond the law due to their positions, entering the mental worlds created by their "warped desires" and fighting monstrous manifestations of their corruption (each based on one of the SevenDeadlySins), literally "stealing" the corruption in their hearts. The exact specifics aren't know at this point, but we see its effects on This results in the target having a sudden change of heart that causes them to openly confess and take responsibility for their crimes such as the BigBrotherBully in the [[Anime/Persona5TheDayBreakers prequel OVA]]: He ends up in tears, repeatedly apologising to his brother, before immediately turning himself in and telling the police where to find evidence incriminating him.



* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' there is an item that you can use to brainwash anyone to fight for you. It may not necessarily be considered this trope if you don't see the Saints(the gang you are leader of) as the good guys.

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* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' there is an item that you can use to brainwash anyone to fight for you. It may not necessarily be considered this trope if you don't see the Saints(the Saints (the gang you are leader of) as the good guys.
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