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17th Jun '16 4:44:56 PM Ebrbfureh
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-->-- '''Creator/FriedrichNietzsche''', ''Beyond Good and Evil''

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-->-- -->— '''Creator/FriedrichNietzsche''', ''Beyond Good and Evil''



Usually, [[AntiVillain not quite a villain]], but they act antagonistically enough that [[AntiHero they're little better]]. Something has happened to our FallenHero: his [[DoomedHometown village was destroyed]], [[EverybodysDeadDave his friends killed]], [[AndYourLittleDogToo his puppy roasted on an open spit]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his bike stolen]], whatever. All that matters is that ItsPersonal, and he feels that the law just isn't suitable enough (or has become [[BadCopIncompetentCop too corrupt and ignorant]]) to be of any use to him in settling the matter. He may justify his actions by claiming that it's [[KnightTemplar Justice]] he's after, not vengeance, but anyone with half a brain can easily see that he's out for {{revenge}}... unfortunately, we can also see that the more he hunts the cause of his woes, [[FaceHeelTurn the more he takes on]] [[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil the villain's personality and mannerisms]] -- something that our "[[{{Hypocrite}} hero]]" is too blinded by his single-minded goal to realize.

Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance, and that LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]

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Usually, [[AntiVillain not quite a villain]], but they act antagonistically enough that [[AntiHero they're little better]]. Something has happened to our FallenHero: his [[DoomedHometown village was destroyed]], [[EverybodysDeadDave his friends killed]], [[AndYourLittleDogToo his puppy roasted on an open spit]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his bike stolen]], whatever. All that matters is that ItsPersonal, and he feels that the law just isn't suitable enough (or has become [[BadCopIncompetentCop too corrupt and ignorant]]) to be of any use to him in settling the matter. He may justify his actions by claiming that it's [[KnightTemplar Justice]] he's after, not vengeance, but anyone with half a brain can easily see that he's out for {{revenge}}... unfortunately, we can also see that the more he hunts the cause of his woes, [[FaceHeelTurn the more he takes on]] [[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil the villain's personality and mannerisms]] -- something mannerisms]]—something that our "[[{{Hypocrite}} hero]]" is too blinded by his single-minded goal to realize.

Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the intentions]]—the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but alive—but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance, and that LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]



* In Myth/JapaneseMythology, a person who kills many {{Youkai}} will be transformed into a youkai. This occasionally gets played around with in games, manga, and anime from the country -- for example, in ''LaPucelle'', this is the basis for a NonStandardGameOver, one that gets taken more or less as canon in the ''Franchise/{{Disgaea}}'' series. And in ''Manga/InuYasha'', the murderous Bankotsu of the Band of Seven manages to transform his weapon into a demonic blade by using it to kill 1000 youkai and 1000 human warlords. It also shows up in ''Manga/{{Saiyuki}}'', where it's a part of Hakkai's backstory.

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* In Myth/JapaneseMythology, a person who kills many {{Youkai}} will be transformed into a youkai. This occasionally gets played around with in games, manga, and anime from the country -- for country—for example, in ''LaPucelle'', this is the basis for a NonStandardGameOver, one that gets taken more or less as canon in the ''Franchise/{{Disgaea}}'' series. And in ''Manga/InuYasha'', the murderous Bankotsu of the Band of Seven manages to transform his weapon into a demonic blade by using it to kill 1000 youkai and 1000 human warlords. It also shows up in ''Manga/{{Saiyuki}}'', where it's a part of Hakkai's backstory.



-->"I never understood what's supposed to be so bad about that... I mean, I'd see that the abyss is deep, and the abyss'd see that I'm shallow - but it's not like I've been denying that, anyway..."

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-->"I never understood what's supposed to be so bad about that... I mean, I'd see that the abyss is deep, and the abyss'd see that I'm shallow - but shallow—but it's not like I've been denying that, anyway..."



* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', the main reason that the BigBad the Other, aka Lucrezia Mongfish, is so reviled is her use of [[MindRape mind-control via slaver wasp]] - if one [[NightmareFuel flies into your mouth]], you become susceptible to any order given by her - one character is ordered to die, [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.Vvqv8OIrLIU and does so immediately]]. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Baron Wulfenbach]] is her main enemy, with the stated aim of destroying her and all her work, no matter what it takes. Which makes his [[GrandTheftMe personality overlay]] onto [[spoiler: his son, Gil]] extremely hypocritical, especially since this is ''[[NotSoDifferent the exact same thing]]'' that Lucrezia did to [[spoiler: her daughter Agatha]]. It's called out by the BigBad herself in comic, that in trying to protect [[spoiler: Gil]] from her influence he's ended up becoming just as bad as she is.

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* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', the main reason that the BigBad the Other, aka Lucrezia Mongfish, is so reviled is her use of [[MindRape mind-control via slaver wasp]] - if wasp]]—if one [[NightmareFuel flies into your mouth]], you become susceptible to any order given by her - one her—one character is ordered to die, [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.Vvqv8OIrLIU and does so immediately]]. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Baron Wulfenbach]] is her main enemy, with the stated aim of destroying her and all her work, no matter what it takes. Which makes his [[GrandTheftMe personality overlay]] onto [[spoiler: his son, Gil]] extremely hypocritical, especially since this is ''[[NotSoDifferent the exact same thing]]'' that Lucrezia did to [[spoiler: her daughter Agatha]]. It's called out by the BigBad herself in comic, that in trying to protect [[spoiler: Gil]] from her influence he's ended up becoming just as bad as she is.
8th Jun '16 3:10:51 AM thecarolinabull01
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** Compared to Squidward, who openly hates [=SpongeBob=] and doesn't bother hiding it, Mrs. Puff is a docile, well meaning character whose nerves have slowly been worn at by Spongebob's antics. Several episodes have shown her take increasingly desperate and sometimes unscrupulous measures just to finally get away from him.

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** Compared to Squidward, who openly hates [=SpongeBob=] and doesn't bother hiding it, Mrs. Puff is was a docile, well meaning character whose nerves have slowly been worn at by Spongebob's antics. Several episodes have shown her take increasingly desperate and sometimes unscrupulous measures just to finally get away from him and in one episode, she outright tried to ''murder'' him.
4th Jun '16 3:31:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does an extrapolation of ''RevengeOfTheNerds'' and points out how what the Nerds do is worse that what was done to them, and that what they did was in fact illegal.

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* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does an extrapolation of ''RevengeOfTheNerds'' ''Film/RevengeOfTheNerds'' and points out how what the Nerds do is worse that what was done to them, and that what they did was in fact illegal.
22nd May '16 11:38:26 AM Dravencour
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Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance, and LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]

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Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance, and that LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]
22nd May '16 11:37:49 AM Dravencour
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Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened, and he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance; [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]

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Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened, and happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance; hindrance, and LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]
22nd May '16 11:34:52 AM Dravencour
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He may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened, and he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance; [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]

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He Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]] -- the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive -- but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened, and he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance; [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]
19th Apr '16 9:46:18 PM DreamerCynist2
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* Some tropes come about as a deliberate attempt to defy a stereotype or cliché, only to become as over-exposed as the very thing they were defying. A good example is RealWomenDontWearDresses, which began life as an attempt to defy the stereotype of women as being weak and overly-sensitive, only to become a stereotype in and of itself that suggested that women who don't wear masculine clothing or act in a stereotypically masculine way are inferior to does that do.

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* Some tropes come about as a deliberate attempt to defy a stereotype or cliché, only to become as over-exposed as the very thing they were defying. A good example is RealWomenDontWearDresses, which began life as an attempt to defy the stereotype of women as being weak and overly-sensitive, only to become a stereotype in and of itself that suggested that women who don't wear masculine clothing or act in a stereotypically masculine way are inferior to does those that do.
18th Apr '16 9:40:04 PM Selina57
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'', like ''Phantasm'', examines this Trope.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'', like ''Phantasm'', examines this Trope.Trope, only this time in regards to [[spoiler: Jason Todd]].
6th Apr '16 5:20:07 AM Shadowgazer
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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both {{antihero}}es and {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, KnightTemplar, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary.

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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both {{antihero}}es and {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, KnightTemplar, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary.
boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.
31st Mar '16 7:16:38 AM Dechstreme
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* This whole trope was [[AnAesop the moral]] of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "One Bad Apple." [[YourMileageMayVary Whether or not they succeeded is a point of contention in the fandom.]]

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* This whole trope was [[AnAesop the moral]] of the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "One Bad Apple." [[YourMileageMayVary Whether or not they succeeded is a point of contention in the fandom.]]
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