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17th Jun '18 2:15:50 AM IukaSylvie
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Usually, [[AntiVillain not quite a villain]], but they act antagonistically enough that [[AntiHero they're little better]]. Something has happened to our FallenHero: his [[DoomedHometown village was destroyed]], [[EverybodysDeadDave his friends killed]], [[AndYourLittleDogToo his puppy roasted on an open spit]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his bike stolen]], whatever. All that matters is that ItsPersonal, and he feels that the law just isn't suitable enough (or has become [[BadCopIncompetentCop too corrupt and ignorant]]) to be of any use to him in settling the matter. He may justify his actions by claiming that it's [[KnightTemplar Justice]] he's after, not vengeance, but anyone with half a brain can easily see that he's out for {{revenge}}... unfortunately, we can also see that the more he hunts the cause of his woes, [[FaceHeelTurn the more he takes on]] [[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil the villain's personality and mannerisms]]—something that our "[[{{Hypocrite}} hero]]" is too blinded by his single-minded goal to realize.

Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]]—the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive—but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance, and that LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]

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Usually, [[AntiVillain not quite a villain]], but they act antagonistically enough that [[AntiHero they're little better]]. Something has happened to our FallenHero: his [[DoomedHometown village was destroyed]], [[EverybodysDeadDave his friends killed]], [[AndYourLittleDogToo his puppy roasted on an open spit]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his bike stolen]], whatever. All that matters is that ItsPersonal, and he feels that the law just isn't suitable enough (or has become [[BadCopIncompetentCop too corrupt and ignorant]]) to be of any use to him in settling the matter. He may justify his actions by claiming that it's [[KnightTemplar Justice]] he's after, not vengeance, but anyone with half a brain can easily see that he's out for {{revenge}}...{{Revenge}}... unfortunately, we can also see that the more he hunts the cause of his woes, [[FaceHeelTurn the more he takes on]] [[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil the villain's personality and mannerisms]]—something that our "[[{{Hypocrite}} hero]]" is too blinded by his single-minded goal to realize.

Our avenger may have [[WellIntentionedExtremist good intentions]]—the fiend may well be too dangerous to be kept alive—but ultimately, his [[AmbitionIsEvil obsession]] with dealing out [[PayEvilUntoEvil due punishment]] ([[DisproportionateRetribution or worse]]) and his refusal to think about what he's doing twists him into a monster [[NotSoDifferent just as bad as]], or even worse than, the one he's hunting. And [[MoralEventHorizon even before he gets to that point]], it's nigh-impossible to turn him away; [[WhatTheHellHero calling him out on it]] will be ignored or [[ShutUpKirk retaliated against]]. ThePowerOfFriendship and ThePowerOfLove were lost to him the moment [[TheCallKnowsWhereYouLive the atrocity that sent him on his wild goose chase]] happened; he feels that TeamSpirit is just a hindrance, and that LoveIsAWeakness that he can't afford to have. [[HeelRealization Heel realizations]] {{Heel Realization}}s will be [[IgnoredEpiphany ignored]]. Don't expect him to make a HeroicSacrifice or HeelFaceTurn anytime soon; if he dies in the process of bringing his nemesis down, it's usually with him crossing into Villainstown in his moment of glory. If he [[StartOfDarkness doesn't die...]]



* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The legendary WickedWitch was so intent on punishing those who wronged her that she became just as angry and spiteful as them. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].
* The title character of ''Anime/RingingBell'', motivated by the senseless killing of his mother by the Wolf King, goes on to become just as ruthless and bloodthirsty as the wolf.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The legendary WickedWitch witch was so intent on punishing those who wronged her that she became just as angry and spiteful as them. Norman [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's because]] [[spoiler:[[FreudianExcuse she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].
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* The title character Chirin of ''Anime/RingingBell'', ''Anime/RingingBell'' is motivated by the senseless killing of his mother by the Wolf King, King. He goes on to become just as ruthless and bloodthirsty as the wolf.
17th Jun '18 2:11:45 AM IukaSylvie
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Not to be confused with CompleteMonster, although somebody can well become one by fighting such monsters. They can range from {{Anti Hero}} to anywhere above. See also CycleOfRevenge, TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget, ProtagonistJourneyToVillain, YouAreWhatYouHate, ThenLetMeBeEvil, and BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. If this trope happens to a child, it can be used as a FreudianExcuse. Compare AndThenJohnWasAZombie, where the character becomes a literal monster. IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim is pretty much a sped-up version of this. Political equivalents are TheHorseshoeEffect, ReignOfTerror, FullCircleRevolution, and MeetTheNewBoss. If the monster in question is an animal, that's AnimalNemesis. If the monster is supernatural, it's a decidedly ''un''heroic instance of HunterOfMonsters. Subtrope of SlowlySlippingIntoEvil.

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Not to be confused with CompleteMonster, although somebody can well become one by fighting such monsters. They can range from {{Anti Hero}} to anywhere above. See also CycleOfRevenge, TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget, ProtagonistJourneyToVillain, YouAreWhatYouHate, ThenLetMeBeEvil, and BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. If this trope happens to a child, it can be used as a FreudianExcuse.FreudianExcuse of a character who UsedToBeASweetKid. Compare AndThenJohnWasAZombie, where the character becomes a literal monster. IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim is pretty much a sped-up version of this. Political equivalents are TheHorseshoeEffect, ReignOfTerror, FullCircleRevolution, and MeetTheNewBoss. If the monster in question is an animal, that's AnimalNemesis. If the monster is supernatural, it's a decidedly ''un''heroic instance of HunterOfMonsters. Subtrope of SlowlySlippingIntoEvil.
29th May '18 5:43:09 PM IukaSylvie
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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both {{Anti-Hero}}es and {{Well-Intentioned Extremist}}s live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.

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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both {{Anti-Hero}}es [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] and {{Well-Intentioned Extremist}}s [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.



* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The [[spoiler:so-called]] WickedWitch [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]] was so intent on punishing those who wronged her that she became just as angry and spiteful as them. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The [[spoiler:so-called]] legendary WickedWitch [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]] was so intent on punishing those who wronged her that she became just as angry and spiteful as them. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].
29th May '18 5:40:50 PM IukaSylvie
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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.

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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] {{Anti-Hero}}es and [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] {{Well-Intentioned Extremist}}s live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.
18th May '18 6:08:07 PM ANTMuddle
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* ''Series/CobraKai'' gets hit ''hard'' with this trope, when Johnny sees the results of his dojo at the All Valley Tournament. Miguel, Aisha, and Hawk just wanted to be able to defend themselves against the students bullying them. While Johnny's training helped them achieve those results, it also led to them becoming the similarly ruthless, aggressive brutes that his own gang had once been. And he's like, OhCrap
7th May '18 1:47:25 AM IukaSylvie
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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both {{Antihero}}es and {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.

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The "fighting monsters" line represents what is a recognizable MoralEventHorizon for heroes, and both {{Antihero}}es [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] and {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] live just near the boundary, especially the more pitiless GoodIsNotNice, [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], PragmaticHero types. Engaging in VanHelsingHateCrimes is a good indicator of having ''crossed'' the boundary and a KnightTemplar is most certainly beyond it.
6th May '18 5:13:21 PM IukaSylvie
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': The White Fang was once a peaceful protest group, trying to advocate peace between humans and [[LittleBitBeastly Faunus]], but five years prior to the start of the series, a faction within the group, feeling that said peaceful protests were getting them nowhere, staged a coup and took control of the entire organization, twisting it into a violent terrorist group who, by the time of the show's beginning, has become no better than the humans who persecuted and shunned them; even other Faunus find the White Fang's violent actions actions sickening.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': The White Fang was once a peaceful protest group, trying to advocate peace between humans and [[LittleBitBeastly Faunus]], but five years prior to the start of the series, a faction within the group, feeling that said peaceful protests were getting them nowhere, staged a coup and took control of the entire organization, twisting it into a violent terrorist group who, by the time of the show's beginning, has become no better than the humans who persecuted and shunned them; even other Faunus find the White Fang's violent actions actions sickening.
3rd May '18 5:09:15 PM IukaSylvie
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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The [[spoiler:so-called]] WickedWitch [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]]. After the townspeople killed her as a witch[[spoiler: only for being different]], [[spoiler:Agatha]] became so obsessed with making the townspeople pay for what they did to her that [[spoiler:she completely forgot about the people who loved her and she almost completely lost herself in her rage]]. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The [[spoiler:so-called]] WickedWitch [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]]. After the townspeople killed her as a witch[[spoiler: only for being different]], [[spoiler:Agatha]] became Prenderghast]] was so obsessed with making the townspeople pay for what they did to intent on punishing those who wronged her that [[spoiler:she completely forgot about the people who loved her she became just as angry and she almost completely lost herself in her rage]].spiteful as them. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].
3rd May '18 5:06:52 PM IukaSylvie
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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]], the BigBad, is revealed to be one. After the townspeople killed her as a witch[[spoiler: only for being different]], [[spoiler:Agatha]] became so obsessed with making the townspeople pay for what they did to her that [[spoiler:she completely forgot about the people who loved her and she almost completely lost herself in her rage]]. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': The [[spoiler:so-called]] WickedWitch [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]], the BigBad, is revealed to be one.Prenderghast]]. After the townspeople killed her as a witch[[spoiler: only for being different]], [[spoiler:Agatha]] became so obsessed with making the townspeople pay for what they did to her that [[spoiler:she completely forgot about the people who loved her and she almost completely lost herself in her rage]]. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].
17th Apr '18 10:29:37 PM IukaSylvie
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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]], the BigBad, is revealed to be one. After the townspeople killed her as a witch only for being different, [[spoiler:Agatha]] became so obsessed with making the townspeople pay for what they did to her that [[spoiler:she completely forgot about the people who loved her and she almost completely lost herself in her rage]]. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': [[spoiler:Agatha Prenderghast]], the BigBad, is revealed to be one. After the townspeople killed her as a witch witch[[spoiler: only for being different, different]], [[spoiler:Agatha]] became so obsessed with making the townspeople pay for what they did to her that [[spoiler:she completely forgot about the people who loved her and she almost completely lost herself in her rage]]. Norman calls her out for wanting to hurt people just because [[spoiler:she's scared and angry, just like the townspeople did to her]].
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