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19th Sep '17 3:15:05 AM Adept
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->''"[[TropeNamer He who fights monsters]] should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."''

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->''"[[TropeNamer He ->''He who fights monsters]] monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."''
18th Sep '17 2:35:37 AM Nadim
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Ultimate Alien}}'': Charmcaster becomes this [[spoiler: after her efforts in resurrecting her father drove to madness and insanity to the point where she became even worse than the previous tyrant who killed him in the first place. After her father calls her out on this, [[HeelFaceTurn she gets better]]...[[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor mostly]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Ultimate Alien}}'': Charmcaster becomes this [[spoiler: after her best efforts in resurrecting her father drove her to madness and insanity to the point where she became even worse than the previous tyrant who killed him in the first place. After her father calls her out on this, [[HeelFaceTurn she gets better]]...[[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor mostly]].mostly]]]].
18th Sep '17 2:34:03 AM Nadim
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Ultimate Alien}}'': Charmcaster becomes this [[spoiler: after her efforts in resurrecting her father drove to madness and insanity to the point where she became even worse than the previous tyrant who killed him in the first place. After her father calls her out on this, [[HeelFaceTurn she gets better]]...[[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor mostly]].
13th Aug '17 7:03:26 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm'': Alfred also refers to the Nietzschian quote, in regards to [[spoiler:Andrea]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm'': Alfred also refers to the Nietzschian quote, in regards to [[spoiler:Andrea]].[[spoiler:Andrea aka the Phantasm]].
12th Aug '17 10:23:03 AM nombretomado
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* MovieBob made a reference to this trope in his review of ''Shrek 4'' while he was describing the progression of the ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'' movies, pointing out that while the first movie was an original and entertaining parody of corporate-driven animated movies, the series had slowly progressed into becoming the very same type of corporate-driven animated movie that the first film had made fun of.

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* MovieBob [[Creator/BobChipman Moviebob]] made a reference to this trope in his review of ''Shrek 4'' while he was describing the progression of the ''WesternAnimation/{{Shrek}}'' movies, pointing out that while the first movie was an original and entertaining parody of corporate-driven animated movies, the series had slowly progressed into becoming the very same type of corporate-driven animated movie that the first film had made fun of.
9th Aug '17 3:47:30 AM TheCuza
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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths''. Batman references the Nietzsche quote when he gives a KirkSummation to his counterpart Owlman:

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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths''. Batman ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueCrisisOnTwoEarths'', after Batman's OmnicidalManiac AlternateUniverse counterpart Owlman gives him a NotSoDifferent speech, Batman's eventual rebuttal (slash PreMortemOneLiner) references the Nietzsche quote when he gives a KirkSummation to his counterpart Owlman:at the top of the page.
7th Aug '17 10:35:54 AM MagBas
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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
** [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]] became a very literal example of this trope but has since "recovered" and now regrets their actions.
** Redcloak, depending on [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation your interpretation.]] Although in his case, it's less a matter of fighting with (against) his enemies and more fighting with (alongside) Xykon.

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'':
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''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]] became a very literal example of this trope but has since "recovered" and now regrets their actions.
** Redcloak, depending on [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation your interpretation.]] Although in his case, it's less a matter of fighting with (against) his enemies and more fighting with (alongside) Xykon.
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9th Jun '17 7:48:23 AM TaylorHyuuga
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** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', the final villain ([[spoiler:Simon Keyes]]) was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler:kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler:he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.

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** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', the final villain ([[spoiler:Simon Keyes]]) was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler:kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three two other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler:he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.
27th May '17 1:51:06 PM Gosicrystal
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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s [[spoiler:Godot]] definitely qualifies. Starting as a [[spoiler:defense attorney, he gets poisoned by a criminal, barely escaping death with damaged sight. Upon finding that his girlfriend, Mia, was killed by a criminal, and Phoenix failed to help her, he holds a grudge against him, and sets up ThePlan to prevent Maya, Mia's sister, from suffering the same fate...only to find the criminal that poisoned him, Dahlia, and in his rage, try to kill her.]] While he was successful, he admits that he acted out of revenge rather than the desire for justice.
** Even [[spoiler:Phoenix Wright]] himself becomes this in Apollo Justice. After having his attorney's badge taken away for [[spoiler:presenting forged evidence, he loses respect for the whole judicial process, and manipulates crime scenes, forging evidence to get Kristoph Gavin convicted.]] He gets better by Dual Destinies.
** [[spoiler:Damon Gant]] can also be interpreted as an example of this, using increasingly unethical methods [[spoiler:including murdering a subordinate and framing a 15-year-old girl for it for the sole purpose of blackmailing her sister into framing someone else]] to increase his control over the investigative process and neutralize criminals who could not be convicted otherwise, such as Joe Darke.
** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' the final villain [[spoiler:Simon Keyes]] was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler:kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler:he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.

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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s ''Franchise/AceAttorney'':
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[[spoiler:Godot]] definitely qualifies. Starting as a [[spoiler:defense attorney, he gets poisoned by a criminal, barely escaping death with damaged sight. Upon finding that his girlfriend, Mia, was killed by a criminal, and Phoenix failed to help her, he holds a grudge against him, and sets up ThePlan to prevent Maya, Mia's sister, from suffering the same fate...only to find the criminal that poisoned him, Dahlia, and in his rage, try to kill her.]] While he was successful, he admits that he acted out of revenge rather than the desire for justice.
** Even [[spoiler:Phoenix Wright]] himself becomes this in Apollo Justice.''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney''. After having his attorney's badge taken away for [[spoiler:presenting forged evidence, he loses respect for the whole judicial process, and manipulates crime scenes, forging evidence to get Kristoph Gavin convicted.]] He gets better by Dual Destinies.
** [[spoiler:Damon Gant]] can also be interpreted as an example of this, using used increasingly unethical methods [[spoiler:including ([[spoiler:including murdering a subordinate and framing a 15-year-old girl for it for the sole purpose of blackmailing her sister into framing someone else]] else]]) to increase his control over the investigative process and neutralize criminals who could not be convicted otherwise, such as Joe Darke.
** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', the final villain [[spoiler:Simon Keyes]] ([[spoiler:Simon Keyes]]) was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler:kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler:he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.
22nd May '17 1:36:34 PM xcountryguy
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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm'': Alfred also refers to the Nietzschian quote, in regards to [[spoiler: Andrea]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm'': Alfred also refers to the Nietzschian quote, in regards to [[spoiler: Andrea]].[[spoiler:Andrea]].



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'', like ''Phantasm'', examines this Trope, only this time in regards to [[spoiler: Jason Todd]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'', like ''Phantasm'', examines this Trope, only this time in regards to [[spoiler: Jason [[spoiler:Jason Todd]].



* Agent Kent Mansley from ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'', whose fanatical anti-communist efforts made him unable to accept the titular robot's overtures of peace, even when the general he was advising was willing to stand his soldiers down. He then [[spoiler: got a nuke launched at a small American coastal town. [[TooDumbToLive Where he happened to be.]]]]

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* Agent Kent Mansley from ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'', whose fanatical anti-communist efforts made him unable to accept the titular robot's overtures of peace, even when the general he was advising was willing to stand his soldiers down. He then [[spoiler: got [[spoiler:got a nuke launched at a small American coastal town. [[TooDumbToLive Where he happened to be.]]]]



* In ''Disney/BigHero6'' Hiro [[spoiler: attempts to use Baymax to kill Yokai/Robert Callaghan. However, both his team and Baymax help him [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope when they bring him back to his senses.]]
** This is what happened to [[spoiler: Yokai/Robert Callaghan]] himself - [[spoiler: his daughter's apparent death]] drove him to extremely desperate measures to [[spoiler: take revenge on Alistair Krei]].

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* In ''Disney/BigHero6'' Hiro [[spoiler: attempts [[spoiler:attempts to use Baymax to kill Yokai/Robert Callaghan. However, both his team and Baymax help him [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope when they bring him back to his senses.]]
** This is what happened to [[spoiler: Yokai/Robert [[spoiler:Yokai/Robert Callaghan]] himself - [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his daughter's apparent death]] drove him to extremely desperate measures to [[spoiler: take [[spoiler:take revenge on Alistair Krei]].



* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s [[spoiler:Godot]] definitely qualifies. Starting as a [[spoiler: defense attorney, he gets poisoned by a criminal, barely escaping death with damaged sight. Upon finding that his girlfriend, Mia, was killed by a criminal, and Phoenix failed to help her, he holds a grudge against him, and sets up ThePlan to prevent Maya, Mia's sister, from suffering the same fate...only to find the criminal that poisoned him, Dahlia, and in his rage, try to kill her.]] While he was successful, he admits that he acted out of revenge rather than the desire for justice.

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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s [[spoiler:Godot]] definitely qualifies. Starting as a [[spoiler: defense [[spoiler:defense attorney, he gets poisoned by a criminal, barely escaping death with damaged sight. Upon finding that his girlfriend, Mia, was killed by a criminal, and Phoenix failed to help her, he holds a grudge against him, and sets up ThePlan to prevent Maya, Mia's sister, from suffering the same fate...only to find the criminal that poisoned him, Dahlia, and in his rage, try to kill her.]] While he was successful, he admits that he acted out of revenge rather than the desire for justice.



** [[spoiler: Damon Gant]] can also be interpreted as an example of this, using increasingly unethical methods [[spoiler: including murdering a subordinate and framing a 15-year-old girl for it for the sole purpose of blackmailing her sister into framing someone else]] to increase his control over the investigative process and neutralize criminals who could not be convicted otherwise, such as Joe Darke.
** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' the final villain [[spoiler: Simon Keyes]] was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler: kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler: he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.

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** [[spoiler: Damon [[spoiler:Damon Gant]] can also be interpreted as an example of this, using increasingly unethical methods [[spoiler: including [[spoiler:including murdering a subordinate and framing a 15-year-old girl for it for the sole purpose of blackmailing her sister into framing someone else]] to increase his control over the investigative process and neutralize criminals who could not be convicted otherwise, such as Joe Darke.
** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' the final villain [[spoiler: Simon [[spoiler:Simon Keyes]] was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler: kidnapping [[spoiler:kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.



* ''WebComic/ParanormalMysterySquad'': Stephanie is introduced as having a staunch [[VanHelsingHateCrimes zero-tolerance policy]] against cryptids, because of what happened to her parents. But by the time of the ''[[WebComic/VampireCheerleaders "Vampire Cheerleaders Must Die!"]]'' arc, she's [[CharacterDevelopment come to accept that]] [[http://www.vampirecheerleaders.net/strips-vc/my_dark_passenger not all cryptids are evil as she first thought]], as a result of her sister becoming a werewolf and after spending time with their friends, who're also cryptids. [[spoiler: Stephanie later becomes a rare literal example and figurative subversion when she becomes a cryptid herself.]]

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* ''WebComic/ParanormalMysterySquad'': Stephanie is introduced as having a staunch [[VanHelsingHateCrimes zero-tolerance policy]] against cryptids, because of what happened to her parents. But by the time of the ''[[WebComic/VampireCheerleaders "Vampire Cheerleaders Must Die!"]]'' arc, she's [[CharacterDevelopment come to accept that]] [[http://www.vampirecheerleaders.net/strips-vc/my_dark_passenger not all cryptids are evil as she first thought]], as a result of her sister becoming a werewolf and after spending time with their friends, who're also cryptids. [[spoiler: Stephanie [[spoiler:Stephanie later becomes a rare literal example and figurative subversion when she becomes a cryptid herself.]]



** [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] became a very literal example of this trope but has since "recovered" and now regrets their actions.

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** [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]] became a very literal example of this trope but has since "recovered" and now regrets their actions.



* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', the main reason that the BigBad the Other, aka Lucrezia Mongfish, is so reviled is her use of [[MindRape mind-control via slaver wasp]]—if one [[NightmareFuel flies into your mouth]], you become susceptible to any order given by her—one character is ordered to die, [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.Vvqv8OIrLIU and does so immediately]]. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Baron Wulfenbach]] is her main enemy, with the stated aim of destroying her and all her work, no matter what it takes. Which makes his [[GrandTheftMe personality overlay]] onto [[spoiler: his son, Gil]] extremely hypocritical, especially since this is ''[[NotSoDifferent the exact same thing]]'' that Lucrezia did to [[spoiler: her daughter Agatha]]. It's called out by the BigBad herself in comic, that in trying to protect [[spoiler: Gil]] from her influence he's ended up becoming just as bad as she is.
--> '''Lucrezia''' '''[[spoiler: in Agatha]]''' ''':''' My goodness! How Mister High-and-Holy has fallen! Using your '''''[[spoiler: own son?]]'''''

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* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', the main reason that the BigBad the Other, aka Lucrezia Mongfish, is so reviled is her use of [[MindRape mind-control via slaver wasp]]—if one [[NightmareFuel flies into your mouth]], you become susceptible to any order given by her—one character is ordered to die, [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.Vvqv8OIrLIU and does so immediately]]. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Baron Wulfenbach]] is her main enemy, with the stated aim of destroying her and all her work, no matter what it takes. Which makes his [[GrandTheftMe personality overlay]] onto [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his son, Gil]] extremely hypocritical, especially since this is ''[[NotSoDifferent the exact same thing]]'' that Lucrezia did to [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her daughter Agatha]]. It's called out by the BigBad herself in comic, that in trying to protect [[spoiler: Gil]] [[spoiler:Gil]] from her influence he's ended up becoming just as bad as she is.
--> '''Lucrezia''' '''[[spoiler: in '''[[spoiler:in Agatha]]''' ''':''' My goodness! How Mister High-and-Holy has fallen! Using your '''''[[spoiler: own '''''[[spoiler:own son?]]'''''



* On ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', little Enzo Matrix never took the presence of LawfulEvil Megabyte ''too'' seriously, until Megabyte finally took over Mainframe, exiled TheHero, Bob, into the WWW and pushed Enzo into despair until he was trapped in games. When Enzo came back ''much'' older and ''much'' more serious, killing Megabyte was all he could think of. There was even an episode where, in a simulation of Mainframe, he was in Megabyte's body and easily acted the part unconsciously. All this anger towards a virus that once [[spoiler: [[AffablyEvil gave Enzo a guitar for his birthday]].]]

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* On ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', little Enzo Matrix never took the presence of LawfulEvil Megabyte ''too'' seriously, until Megabyte finally took over Mainframe, exiled TheHero, Bob, into the WWW and pushed Enzo into despair until he was trapped in games. When Enzo came back ''much'' older and ''much'' more serious, killing Megabyte was all he could think of. There was even an episode where, in a simulation of Mainframe, he was in Megabyte's body and easily acted the part unconsciously. All this anger towards a virus that once [[spoiler: [[AffablyEvil [[spoiler:[[AffablyEvil gave Enzo a guitar for his birthday]].]]
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