History Main / HeWhoFightsMonsters

22nd May '17 1:36:34 PM xcountryguy
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm'': Alfred also refers to the Nietzschian quote, in regards to [[spoiler: Andrea]].

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm'': Alfred also refers to the Nietzschian quote, in regards to [[spoiler: Andrea]].[[spoiler:Andrea]].



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'', like ''Phantasm'', examines this Trope, only this time in regards to [[spoiler: Jason Todd]].

to:

* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'', like ''Phantasm'', examines this Trope, only this time in regards to [[spoiler: Jason [[spoiler:Jason Todd]].



* Agent Kent Mansley from ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'', whose fanatical anti-communist efforts made him unable to accept the titular robot's overtures of peace, even when the general he was advising was willing to stand his soldiers down. He then [[spoiler: got a nuke launched at a small American coastal town. [[TooDumbToLive Where he happened to be.]]]]

to:

* Agent Kent Mansley from ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'', whose fanatical anti-communist efforts made him unable to accept the titular robot's overtures of peace, even when the general he was advising was willing to stand his soldiers down. He then [[spoiler: got [[spoiler:got a nuke launched at a small American coastal town. [[TooDumbToLive Where he happened to be.]]]]



* In ''Disney/BigHero6'' Hiro [[spoiler: attempts to use Baymax to kill Yokai/Robert Callaghan. However, both his team and Baymax help him [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope when they bring him back to his senses.]]
** This is what happened to [[spoiler: Yokai/Robert Callaghan]] himself - [[spoiler: his daughter's apparent death]] drove him to extremely desperate measures to [[spoiler: take revenge on Alistair Krei]].

to:

* In ''Disney/BigHero6'' Hiro [[spoiler: attempts [[spoiler:attempts to use Baymax to kill Yokai/Robert Callaghan. However, both his team and Baymax help him [[DefiedTrope defy]] this trope when they bring him back to his senses.]]
** This is what happened to [[spoiler: Yokai/Robert [[spoiler:Yokai/Robert Callaghan]] himself - [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his daughter's apparent death]] drove him to extremely desperate measures to [[spoiler: take [[spoiler:take revenge on Alistair Krei]].



* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s [[spoiler:Godot]] definitely qualifies. Starting as a [[spoiler: defense attorney, he gets poisoned by a criminal, barely escaping death with damaged sight. Upon finding that his girlfriend, Mia, was killed by a criminal, and Phoenix failed to help her, he holds a grudge against him, and sets up ThePlan to prevent Maya, Mia's sister, from suffering the same fate...only to find the criminal that poisoned him, Dahlia, and in his rage, try to kill her.]] While he was successful, he admits that he acted out of revenge rather than the desire for justice.

to:

* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'''s [[spoiler:Godot]] definitely qualifies. Starting as a [[spoiler: defense [[spoiler:defense attorney, he gets poisoned by a criminal, barely escaping death with damaged sight. Upon finding that his girlfriend, Mia, was killed by a criminal, and Phoenix failed to help her, he holds a grudge against him, and sets up ThePlan to prevent Maya, Mia's sister, from suffering the same fate...only to find the criminal that poisoned him, Dahlia, and in his rage, try to kill her.]] While he was successful, he admits that he acted out of revenge rather than the desire for justice.



** [[spoiler: Damon Gant]] can also be interpreted as an example of this, using increasingly unethical methods [[spoiler: including murdering a subordinate and framing a 15-year-old girl for it for the sole purpose of blackmailing her sister into framing someone else]] to increase his control over the investigative process and neutralize criminals who could not be convicted otherwise, such as Joe Darke.
** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' the final villain [[spoiler: Simon Keyes]] was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler: kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler: he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.

to:

** [[spoiler: Damon [[spoiler:Damon Gant]] can also be interpreted as an example of this, using increasingly unethical methods [[spoiler: including [[spoiler:including murdering a subordinate and framing a 15-year-old girl for it for the sole purpose of blackmailing her sister into framing someone else]] to increase his control over the investigative process and neutralize criminals who could not be convicted otherwise, such as Joe Darke.
** In the sequel to ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' the final villain [[spoiler: Simon [[spoiler:Simon Keyes]] was driven to commit a large array of crimes including [[spoiler: kidnapping [[spoiler:kidnapping two minors and framing both of them for murder, killing a man with a falling hot-air balloon and arranging the murders of three other people, including his best friend, all so that the murderers would be caught and arrested]] because [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he had been a witness to a murder 12 years earlier but was silenced by the joint conspiracy of Blaise Debeste, Patricia Roland and the fake Di-Jung Huang and forced to go on the run in order to avoid being killed. Edgeworth even points out that his motive was a mix of justice and revenge but that he had become as bad as his enemies.]] At the end of the game, Edgeworth pledges to capture corrupt people in power before their victims become examples of this trope.



* ''WebComic/ParanormalMysterySquad'': Stephanie is introduced as having a staunch [[VanHelsingHateCrimes zero-tolerance policy]] against cryptids, because of what happened to her parents. But by the time of the ''[[WebComic/VampireCheerleaders "Vampire Cheerleaders Must Die!"]]'' arc, she's [[CharacterDevelopment come to accept that]] [[http://www.vampirecheerleaders.net/strips-vc/my_dark_passenger not all cryptids are evil as she first thought]], as a result of her sister becoming a werewolf and after spending time with their friends, who're also cryptids. [[spoiler: Stephanie later becomes a rare literal example and figurative subversion when she becomes a cryptid herself.]]

to:

* ''WebComic/ParanormalMysterySquad'': Stephanie is introduced as having a staunch [[VanHelsingHateCrimes zero-tolerance policy]] against cryptids, because of what happened to her parents. But by the time of the ''[[WebComic/VampireCheerleaders "Vampire Cheerleaders Must Die!"]]'' arc, she's [[CharacterDevelopment come to accept that]] [[http://www.vampirecheerleaders.net/strips-vc/my_dark_passenger not all cryptids are evil as she first thought]], as a result of her sister becoming a werewolf and after spending time with their friends, who're also cryptids. [[spoiler: Stephanie [[spoiler:Stephanie later becomes a rare literal example and figurative subversion when she becomes a cryptid herself.]]



** [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] became a very literal example of this trope but has since "recovered" and now regrets their actions.

to:

** [[spoiler: Vaarsuvius]] [[spoiler:Vaarsuvius]] became a very literal example of this trope but has since "recovered" and now regrets their actions.



* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', the main reason that the BigBad the Other, aka Lucrezia Mongfish, is so reviled is her use of [[MindRape mind-control via slaver wasp]]—if one [[NightmareFuel flies into your mouth]], you become susceptible to any order given by her—one character is ordered to die, [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.Vvqv8OIrLIU and does so immediately]]. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Baron Wulfenbach]] is her main enemy, with the stated aim of destroying her and all her work, no matter what it takes. Which makes his [[GrandTheftMe personality overlay]] onto [[spoiler: his son, Gil]] extremely hypocritical, especially since this is ''[[NotSoDifferent the exact same thing]]'' that Lucrezia did to [[spoiler: her daughter Agatha]]. It's called out by the BigBad herself in comic, that in trying to protect [[spoiler: Gil]] from her influence he's ended up becoming just as bad as she is.
--> '''Lucrezia''' '''[[spoiler: in Agatha]]''' ''':''' My goodness! How Mister High-and-Holy has fallen! Using your '''''[[spoiler: own son?]]'''''

to:

* In ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'', the main reason that the BigBad the Other, aka Lucrezia Mongfish, is so reviled is her use of [[MindRape mind-control via slaver wasp]]—if one [[NightmareFuel flies into your mouth]], you become susceptible to any order given by her—one character is ordered to die, [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.Vvqv8OIrLIU and does so immediately]]. [[WellIntentionedExtremist Baron Wulfenbach]] is her main enemy, with the stated aim of destroying her and all her work, no matter what it takes. Which makes his [[GrandTheftMe personality overlay]] onto [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his son, Gil]] extremely hypocritical, especially since this is ''[[NotSoDifferent the exact same thing]]'' that Lucrezia did to [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her daughter Agatha]]. It's called out by the BigBad herself in comic, that in trying to protect [[spoiler: Gil]] [[spoiler:Gil]] from her influence he's ended up becoming just as bad as she is.
--> '''Lucrezia''' '''[[spoiler: in '''[[spoiler:in Agatha]]''' ''':''' My goodness! How Mister High-and-Holy has fallen! Using your '''''[[spoiler: own '''''[[spoiler:own son?]]'''''



* On ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', little Enzo Matrix never took the presence of LawfulEvil Megabyte ''too'' seriously, until Megabyte finally took over Mainframe, exiled TheHero, Bob, into the WWW and pushed Enzo into despair until he was trapped in games. When Enzo came back ''much'' older and ''much'' more serious, killing Megabyte was all he could think of. There was even an episode where, in a simulation of Mainframe, he was in Megabyte's body and easily acted the part unconsciously. All this anger towards a virus that once [[spoiler: [[AffablyEvil gave Enzo a guitar for his birthday]].]]

to:

* On ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'', little Enzo Matrix never took the presence of LawfulEvil Megabyte ''too'' seriously, until Megabyte finally took over Mainframe, exiled TheHero, Bob, into the WWW and pushed Enzo into despair until he was trapped in games. When Enzo came back ''much'' older and ''much'' more serious, killing Megabyte was all he could think of. There was even an episode where, in a simulation of Mainframe, he was in Megabyte's body and easily acted the part unconsciously. All this anger towards a virus that once [[spoiler: [[AffablyEvil [[spoiler:[[AffablyEvil gave Enzo a guitar for his birthday]].]]
15th May '17 6:38:34 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's Heel Face turn during the Wrestling/{{WWE}} Attitude Era. After years of battling Vince [=McMahon=] and eventually TripleH who was with Vince, Austin out of desperation to become the WWE Champion again, does a WeCanRuleTogether and reveals he joined Vince at Wrestlmania XVII. Cemented during the following Monday Night Raw broadcast where Steve Austin publicly beats up his best friend Wrestling/JimRoss who openly spoke against Austin's decision.

to:

* Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's Heel Face turn during the Wrestling/{{WWE}} Attitude Era. After years of battling Vince [=McMahon=] and eventually TripleH Wrestling/TripleH who was with Vince, Austin out of desperation to become the WWE Champion again, does a WeCanRuleTogether and reveals he joined Vince at Wrestlmania XVII. Cemented during the following Monday Night Raw broadcast where Steve Austin publicly beats up his best friend Wrestling/JimRoss who openly spoke against Austin's decision.
28th Apr '17 8:54:45 AM TheHeroHartmut
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* General Wade Eiling in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'' became so obsessed with taking down the show's titular League (and metahumans in general), that he injected himself with a Nazi-created SuperSoldier serum so he could more readily combat them. His only claim to fame after this? Beating up seven non-powered second-stringers and causing the same superhuman fear-mongering from the citizens that he swore to protect from the League. He did put a LampshadeHanging on this trope at the end.

to:

* General Wade Eiling in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'' became so obsessed with taking down the show's titular League (and metahumans in general), that he injected himself with a Nazi-created SuperSoldier serum so he could more readily combat them. His only claim to fame after this? Beating up seven non-powered second-stringers and causing the same superhuman fear-mongering from the citizens that he swore to protect from the League. He did put League.
-->'''General Eiling:''' ''[about to throw
a LampshadeHanging on car onto Shining Knight]'' Superman and your Justice League are a threat to a safe and stable world.\\
'''Elderly Woman:''' ''[standing between Shining Knight and Eiling]'' Drop the act. You think killing Superman would make the world safe? Or killing
this trope at boy? Or us? [[ArmorPiercingQuestion Tell me, how many of us do you have to kill to keep us safe?]]\\
'''General Eiling:''' They're
the end.ones I'm after, not you. I'm not the menace, metahumans are! Superpowered beings!\\
'''Stander-by:''' [[ArmorPiercingResponse You're the only one around here with superpowers!]]\\
''[Eiling stops, dropping the car]''\\
'''General Eiling:''' ...All right, [[YouAreWhatYouHate I've become what I hate,]] [[LampshadeHanging I'll give you that.]] But in the long run, you'll see I was right. You'll see you need the likes of me to protect you from them.
22nd Apr '17 8:21:35 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Adam Dodd in ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' turns into one of these for a good while during his tenure on the v1 island. His obsession with getting revenge on Cody Jenson leads him to mow down a good six or seven of his fellow students, despite his supposedly heroic motives. In something of a subversion, however, he lives to come to realise that his actions have been misguided and returns to a more conventional AntiHero mold.

to:

* Adam Dodd in ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' ''Roleplay/SurvivalOfTheFittest'' turns into one of these for a good while during his tenure on the v1 island. His obsession with getting revenge on Cody Jenson leads him to mow down a good six or seven of his fellow students, despite his supposedly heroic motives. In something of a subversion, however, he lives to come to realise that his actions have been misguided and returns to a more conventional AntiHero mold.
13th Apr '17 6:08:55 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The TropeNamer is ''quoted'' in the teaser trailer for the [[TheSlenderManMythos Slender Man]] series ''[[WebVideo/TribeTwelve Tribe Twelve.]]'' And, sure enough, the series shows signs of this. [[spoiler:It's now inevitable (well, probably) as Firebrand, the Collective member that pulled a FaceHeelTurn (with the help of [[WebVideo/EverymanHYBRID HABIT]]) has been revealed to be a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version of]] Noah, the protagonist.]]

to:

* The TropeNamer is ''quoted'' in the teaser trailer for the [[TheSlenderManMythos [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos Slender Man]] series ''[[WebVideo/TribeTwelve Tribe Twelve.]]'' ''WebVideo/TribeTwelve''. And, sure enough, the series shows signs of this. [[spoiler:It's now inevitable (well, probably) as Firebrand, the Collective member that pulled a FaceHeelTurn (with the help of [[WebVideo/EverymanHYBRID HABIT]]) has been revealed to be a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version of]] Noah, the protagonist.]]
9th Apr '17 1:27:31 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''SailorNothing'', Himei worries that she is turning into this.

to:

* In ''SailorNothing'', ''Literature/SailorNothing'', Himei worries that she is turning into this.
17th Feb '17 1:55:04 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


Not to be confused with CompleteMonster, although somebody can well become one by fighting such monsters. They can range from {{Anti Hero}} to anywhere above. See also CycleOfRevenge, TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget, ProtagonistJourneyToVillain, YouAreWhatYouHate, ThenLetMeBeEvil, and BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. If this trope happens to a child, it can be used as a FreudianExcuse. Compare AndThenJohnWasAZombie, where the character becomes a literal monster. IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim is pretty much a sped-up version of this. Political equivalents are TheHorseshoeEffect, ReignOfTerror, FullCircleRevolution, and MeetTheNewBoss. If the monster in question is an animal, that's AnimalNemesis. If the monster is supernatural, it's a decidedly ''un''heroic instance of TheHunter. Subtrope of SlowlySlippingIntoEvil.

to:

Not to be confused with CompleteMonster, although somebody can well become one by fighting such monsters. They can range from {{Anti Hero}} to anywhere above. See also CycleOfRevenge, TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget, ProtagonistJourneyToVillain, YouAreWhatYouHate, ThenLetMeBeEvil, and BecameTheirOwnAntithesis. If this trope happens to a child, it can be used as a FreudianExcuse. Compare AndThenJohnWasAZombie, where the character becomes a literal monster. IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim is pretty much a sped-up version of this. Political equivalents are TheHorseshoeEffect, ReignOfTerror, FullCircleRevolution, and MeetTheNewBoss. If the monster in question is an animal, that's AnimalNemesis. If the monster is supernatural, it's a decidedly ''un''heroic instance of TheHunter.HunterOfMonsters. Subtrope of SlowlySlippingIntoEvil.
9th Feb '17 6:39:24 AM TheAmazingBlachman
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->'''Alfred:''' Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against. You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that.

to:

-->'''Alfred:''' Vengeance blackens the soul, Bruce. I've always feared that you would become that which you fought against. You walk the edge of that abyss every night, but you haven't fallen in and I thank heaven for that. [[spoiler:But Andrea fell into that pit years ago, and no one, not even you, could have pulled her back.]]
23rd Jan '17 1:11:30 PM TheOneWhoTropes
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Professor Broadshoulders from ''ZebraGirl'' is obsessed with destroying demons and people tainted by demons, to the point where he sacrifices his very soul, giving into his own demonic curse and physically transforming into a demon, to destroy Sandra, the titular zebra girl, despite the fact that Sandra was still a good person, despite being transformed into a demon herself. Appropriately, it was Broadshoulders's attempts at destroying Sandra that finally pushed her over the edge, turning her away from [[IJustWantToBeNormal wanting to cure her condition]] to [[EvilTastesGood indulge her demonic hunger for pain and torment]].

to:

* Professor Broadshoulders from ''ZebraGirl'' ''Webcomic/ZebraGirl'' is obsessed with destroying demons and people tainted by demons, to the point where he sacrifices his very soul, giving into his own demonic curse and physically transforming into a demon, to destroy Sandra, the titular zebra girl, despite the fact that Sandra was still a good person, despite being transformed into a demon herself. Appropriately, it was Broadshoulders's attempts at destroying Sandra that finally pushed her over the edge, turning her away from [[IJustWantToBeNormal wanting to cure her condition]] to [[EvilTastesGood indulge her demonic hunger for pain and torment]].
11th Jan '17 12:51:35 PM Tractical_Chunder
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* {{Discussed|Trope}} by Gordon Freeman in ''Machinima/FreemansMind'', although he can't remember whether Nietzsche said "monsters" or "drummers". He concludes that it must have been "drummers" because there was no way he could end up being anything like the monsters he was fighting, especially not the fifty-foot tall Tentacle he was dealing with at the time.

to:

* {{Discussed|Trope}} by Gordon Freeman in ''Machinima/FreemansMind'', although he can't remember whether Nietzsche said "monsters" or "drummers". He concludes that it must have been "drummers" [[ComicallyMissingThePoint because there was no way he could end up being looking anything like the monsters he was fighting, especially not the fifty-foot tall Tentacle he was dealing with at the time.]]
This list shows the last 10 events of 392. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.HeWhoFightsMonsters