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18th Sep '17 3:04:07 AM Doug86
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/TheTowerOfTheElephant", Literature/ConanTheBarbarian prefers the hands-off approach of his people's gods.

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/TheTowerOfTheElephant", Literature/ConanTheBarbarian Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian prefers the hands-off approach of his people's gods.
10th Sep '17 4:07:06 PM nighttrainfm
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** According to [[TheChurch the Chantry]] of ''Franchise/DragonAge'', the Maker abandoned humanity out of disgust when a group of mages tried to take over Heaven by force. Plus there was the whole "burning his mortal wife to death" thing. They worship the Maker in the hopes that if He ever comes back, He'll reward the suck-ups, but when someone like Leliana expresses a belief that the Maker hasn't abandoned His children and instead works InMysteriousWays, it makes her a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer target of derision]].
** The [[OurElvesAreDifferent Dalish elves]] have stories that their gods, the Creators, were imprisoned by a trickster god and thus weren't able to [[EnslavedElves save them from]] invading humans. Apparently at least some elves believe that regaining their immortality and proving they're real elves would bring their gods back.

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** According to [[TheChurch the Chantry]] of ''Franchise/DragonAge'', Andrastian Chantry]], the Maker abandoned humanity out of disgust when a group of mages tried to take over Heaven by force. Plus there was the whole "burning his mortal wife to death" thing. They worship the Maker in the hopes that if He ever comes back, He'll reward the suck-ups, but when someone like Leliana expresses a belief that the Maker hasn't abandoned His children and instead works InMysteriousWays, it makes her a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer target of derision]].
** The [[OurElvesAreDifferent Dalish elves]] have stories that their gods, the Creators, were imprisoned by a trickster god and thus weren't able to [[EnslavedElves save them from]] invading humans. Apparently Apparently, at least some elves believe that regaining their immortality and proving they're real elves would bring their gods back.
10th Sep '17 4:06:34 PM nighttrainfm
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* According to [[TheChurch the Chantry]] of ''Franchise/DragonAge'', the Maker abandoned humanity out of disgust when a group of mages tried to take over Heaven by force. Plus there was the whole "burning his mortal wife to death" thing. They worship the Maker in the hopes that if He ever comes back, He'll reward the suck-ups, but when someone like Leliana expresses a belief that the Maker hasn't abandoned His children and instead works InMysteriousWays, it makes her a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer target of derision]].
** Also the [[OurElvesAreDifferent Dalish elves]] have stories that their gods, the Creators, were imprisoned by a trickster god and thus weren't able to [[EnslavedElves save them from]] invading humans. Apparently at least some elves believe that regaining their immortality and proving they're real elves would bring their gods back.
*** The Elvish story about how their gods were lost and the Chantry story of how the dragon Old Gods were trapped in the earth and the source of the Darkspawn are suspiciously similar, and may be different accounts of the same event.

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* ''Franchise/DragonAge'' has multiple examples:
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According to [[TheChurch the Chantry]] of ''Franchise/DragonAge'', the Maker abandoned humanity out of disgust when a group of mages tried to take over Heaven by force. Plus there was the whole "burning his mortal wife to death" thing. They worship the Maker in the hopes that if He ever comes back, He'll reward the suck-ups, but when someone like Leliana expresses a belief that the Maker hasn't abandoned His children and instead works InMysteriousWays, it makes her a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer target of derision]].
** Also the The [[OurElvesAreDifferent Dalish elves]] have stories that their gods, the Creators, were imprisoned by a trickster god and thus weren't able to [[EnslavedElves save them from]] invading humans. Apparently at least some elves believe that regaining their immortality and proving they're real elves would bring their gods back.
*** ** The Elvish story about how their gods were lost and the Chantry story of how the dragon Old Gods were trapped in the earth and the source of the Darkspawn are suspiciously similar, and may be different accounts of the same event.



** In ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', [[spoiler:Corypheus is so broken by the absence of Dumat and the Maker that he makes his own bid for godhood, driving the plot.]]
*** As far as the Elven gods go, the ''Trespasser'' DLC for Inquisition reveals that [[spoiler: the elven "gods" were actually extremely powerful mages who cruelly abused their subordinates and killed one of their own (Mythal) when she tried to help them. This so disgusted Fen Harel, the Dread Wolf (misunderstood by modern elves to be the GodOfEvil,) that he ''split the whole of reality'' into the physical world and the [[DreamLand Fade]], and erected the Veil to keep his fellow "gods" imprisoned away from their victims, effectively revealing that the entire cosmology of the Dragon Age universe has been completely misunderstood]]. True to this trope, we also find out exactly where two of the gods are: [[spoiler: the NotQuiteDead merciful Mythal is actually Flemeth, TheDreaded Witch of the Wilds, and the Dread Wolf is Solas, whose power has waned to the level of an ordinary mage until he reclaims it at the end of the game]].

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** In ''Videogame/DragonAgeInquisition'', [[spoiler:Corypheus is so broken by the absence of Dumat and the Maker that he makes his own bid for godhood, driving the plot. On some level, he genuinely thinks this will be an improvement over no god whatsoever.]]
*** ** As far as the Elven gods go, the ''Trespasser'' DLC for Inquisition reveals that [[spoiler: the elven "gods" were actually extremely powerful mages who cruelly abused their subordinates and killed one of their own (Mythal) when she tried to help them. This so disgusted Fen Harel, the Dread Wolf (misunderstood by modern elves to be the GodOfEvil,) that he ''split the whole of reality'' into the physical world and the [[DreamLand Fade]], and erected the Veil to keep his fellow "gods" imprisoned away from their victims, effectively revealing that the entire cosmology of the Dragon Age universe has been completely misunderstood]]. True to this trope, we also find out exactly where two of the gods are: [[spoiler: the NotQuiteDead merciful Mythal is actually Flemeth, TheDreaded Witch of the Wilds, and the Dread Wolf is Solas, whose power has waned to the level of an ordinary mage until he reclaims it at the end of the game]].
5th Sep '17 10:43:35 AM kikiandlala
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* In Alan Campbell's ''Literature/TheDeepgateCodex'' series, Ayen, mother and queen of the gods, has exiled all of the other gods from Heaven, and locked its gates against both gods and human souls. (The other gods claim she went insane, but then, we only have their side of the story, and most of them don't come across as the most trustworthy types.) One result of this is that, with Heaven closed, ''all'' human souls now go to Hell instead. (Apart from some that end up in [[FateWorseThanDeath even worse places]].) This has unfortunate consequences when people figure out that it no longer matters whether they were good or evil in life...

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* In Alan Campbell's ''Literature/TheDeepgateCodex'' ''Literature/DeepgateCodex'' series, Ayen, mother and queen of the gods, has exiled all of the other gods from Heaven, and locked its gates against both gods and human souls. (The other gods claim she went insane, but then, we only have their side of the story, and most of them don't come across as the most trustworthy types.) One result of this is that, with Heaven closed, ''all'' human souls now go to Hell instead. (Apart from some that end up in [[FateWorseThanDeath even worse places]].) This has unfortunate consequences when people figure out that it no longer matters whether they were good or evil in life...
2nd Sep '17 2:25:16 AM SeptimusHeap
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* '' Film/TheDevilsAdvocate'': AlPacino in his over-the-top speech accuses God of being "an absentee landlord."

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* '' Film/TheDevilsAdvocate'': AlPacino Creator/AlPacino in his over-the-top speech accuses God of being "an absentee landlord."
1st Sep '17 9:25:09 AM bfunc
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* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'' setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', the Sovereign Host and Dark Six compose one of the largest and oldest extant faiths in Khorvaire, and maybe the world. ''Nobody'' knows if any of the gods is actually real, not even the angels or demons of other planes. The more philosophical believers treat it as a form of pantheism and dismiss the necessity of physical incarnation for a god to be meaningfully "real."
** In Eberron, divine magic works on a "clap your hands if you believe" basis. There's at least one cult that is attempting to get around the problem of whether or not their god exists by ''building'' him.

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* In the ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'' setting for ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', the Sovereign Host and Dark Six compose one of the largest and oldest extant faiths in Khorvaire, and maybe the world. ''Nobody'' knows if any of the gods is actually real, not even the angels or demons of other planes.planes (they ''claim'' that the gods exist, but when pressed sufficiently most will admit that they haven't ''personally'' seen or talked to any of them and that they're effectively "winging it"). The more philosophical believers treat it as a form of pantheism and dismiss the necessity of physical incarnation for a god to be meaningfully "real."
** In Eberron, divine magic works on a "clap your hands if you believe" basis. There's at least one cult that is attempting to get around the problem of whether or not their god exists by ''building'' him. So how do their divine spells work if they know for a stone fact that their god doesn't exist yet? They believe that ''when'' he exists, he will retroactively grant his clerics divine spells, and in Eberron, that belief is sufficient ... and just more "proof" to them that they're right, because see, spells! He ''must'' exist (in the future)!
1st Sep '17 9:08:30 AM bfunc
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* In Piers Anthony's ''Series/IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series, both Heaven and Hell are very clearly and explicitly real, Satan is present and very active, and angels occasionally appear ... but God is mysteriously absent. It's finally revealed in the sixth book that [[spoiler: He is still around, but "indisposed" (read: entirely absorbed in contemplating His own perfection and effectively comatose), and the angels have basically been covering for Him when necessary]]. Satan wants to change this, but the Archangel Michael isn't convinced that would be a good idea and prefers to keep the status quo. God's predecessor JHVH is also still around (though all but powerless, and, by the time Satan meets Him, weak and sickly), and He and Satan are actually on pretty good terms. It helps that JHVH knows Satan is [[spoiler: a pretty nice guy rather than the asshole he seems to be to most of the other incarnations; said assholery is necessary due to a bet Satan made with Michael, but since JHVH already knows all about the situation re: God, Satan is allowed to help him as long as nobody else finds out about it]].

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* In Piers Anthony's ''Series/IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series, both Heaven and Hell are very clearly and explicitly real, Satan is present and very active, and angels occasionally appear ... but God is mysteriously absent. It's finally revealed in the sixth book that [[spoiler: He is still around, but "indisposed" (read: entirely absorbed in contemplating His own perfection and effectively comatose), and the angels have basically been covering for Him when necessary]]. Satan wants to change this, but the Archangel Michael isn't convinced that would be a good idea and prefers to keep the status quo. God's predecessor JHVH is also still around (though all but powerless, and, by the time Satan meets Him, weak and sickly), and He and Satan are actually on pretty good terms. It helps that JHVH knows Satan is [[spoiler: a pretty nice guy rather than the asshole he seems to be to most of the other incarnations; said assholery is necessary due to a bet Satan made with Michael, but since JHVH already knows all about the situation re: God, Satan is allowed to help him Him as long as nobody else finds out about it]].
1st Sep '17 9:07:01 AM bfunc
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* In Piers Anthony's ''Series/IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series, both Heaven and Hell are very clearly and explicitly real, Satan is present and very active, and angels occasionally appear ... but God is mysteriously absent. It's finally revealed in the sixth book that [[spoiler: He is still around, but "indisposed" (read: entirely absorbed in contemplating His own perfection and effectively comatose), and the angels have basically been covering for Him when necessary]]. Satan wants to change this, but the Archangel Michael isn't convinced that would be a good idea and prefers to keep the status quo. God's predecessor JHVH is also still around (though all but powerless, and, by the time Satan meets Him, weak and sickly), and He and Satan are actually on pretty good terms. It helps that JHVH knows Satan is [[spoiler: a pretty nice guy rather than the asshole he seems to be to most of the other incarnations; said assholery is necessary due to a bet Satan made with Michael, but since JHVH already knows all about the situation re: God, Satan is allowed to help him as long as nobody else finds out about it]].
24th Aug '17 3:47:51 PM VulgarBee
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* In ''Series/{{Preacher}}'' it is revealed using an angel phone that [[spoiler: god is missing and none of the angels know where he is. Top level angels are currently pretending that he is in heaven in order to not start a panic.]]

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* In ''Series/{{Preacher}}'' ''Series/{{Preacher|2016}}'' it is revealed using an angel phone that [[spoiler: god is missing and none of the angels know where he is. Top level angels are currently pretending that he is in heaven in order to not start a panic.]]
28th Jul '17 9:14:17 AM BeerBaron
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** This is the case for the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Divines]] much of the time, combined with GodIsInept, as the creation of the mortal world severely weakened them. During the Dawn and Merethic Eras, the Aedra who would become the [[SaintlyChurch Eight Divines]] still had somewhat enough power to take limited manifestations on Nirn, so there are tons of legends of them directly interacting with mortals. However, by the time of the First Era, all of them had vanished except within shrines and temples, where they could perform limited actions. One source attributes this to [[TopGod Akatosh's]] pact with [[FounderOfTheKingdom St. Alessia]] and the [[BarrierMaiden Dragonfires]]; this pact, designed to keep [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] from being able to walk into Mundus with all or most of their power (as [[OmnicidalManiac Mehrunes Dagon]] did at the end of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''), also greatly restricts the Divines. As a result, the Divines prefer a much lighter touch when they [[DivineIntervention intervene]] on mortal affairs, preferring to act through mortal agents almost exclusively while reserving direct manifestations for the [[GodzillaThreshold last push]] to [[SavingTheWorld save the world]] when all else has failed.

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** This is frequently the case for the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Divines]] Aedra, "original spirit" beings who sacrificed much of the time, combined with GodIsInept, as the creation of their divine power to [[CreationMyth create Mundus]], the mortal world severely plane, and are worshiped throughout Tamriel as the Eight (later Nine) Divines. This act left them in a greatly weakened them. state, unable to interfere with mortal affairs as freely as the Daedra (who maintain their full power). As such, they prefer [[InMysteriousWays a lighter touch]] when influencing mortal affairs, at most typically [[MissionFromGod acting through mortal agents]]. Any acts of [[DivineIntervention direct intervention]] are rare and [[GodzillaThreshold typically reserved]] for averting TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. For this reason, the primary view of the Divines is as impersonal, generally benevolent spirits, worthy of worship and reverence but without any strong direct relationship. During the Dawn [[TimeOfMyths Dawn]] and Merethic Eras, the Aedra who would become the [[SaintlyChurch Eight Divines]] still had somewhat enough power to take limited manifestations on Nirn, so there are tons of legends of them directly interacting with mortals. However, by the time of the First 1st Era, all of them had vanished except within shrines and temples, where they could perform limited actions. One source attributes this to [[TopGod Akatosh's]] pact with [[FounderOfTheKingdom St. Alessia]] and the [[BarrierMaiden Dragonfires]]; this pact, designed to keep [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] Daedra from being able to walk into Mundus with all or most of their power (as [[OmnicidalManiac Mehrunes Dagon]] did at the end of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''), also greatly restricts the Divines. As a result, the Divines prefer a much lighter touch when they [[DivineIntervention intervene]] on mortal affairs, preferring to act through mortal agents almost exclusively while reserving direct manifestations for the [[GodzillaThreshold last push]] to [[SavingTheWorld save the world]] when all else has failed.Divines.



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