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12th May '18 8:06:30 AM Luigifan
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Hate dumb is the polar opposite of {{fan dumb}}. It always exists-- where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.

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Hate dumb is the polar opposite of {{fan dumb}}. It always exists-- exists where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.



''Please do not put this on a work's page including its sub-pages. The only exception is if it is {{invoked}} canonically as someone's character trait. In that case, mark it as such''.

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''Please do not put this on a work's page including its sub-pages. The only exception is if it is {{invoked}} canonically as someone's character trait. In that case, mark it as such''.
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* '''FanHater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. Fan Haters are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

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* '''FanHater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. Fan Haters are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) too.) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some [[note]]Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan dumb.[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.



* '''Complaining about works one didn't take in''': These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it. They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it -- HypeAversion, or the [[NeverTrustATrailer trailer for the work]] has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.
** '''The Preemptive Hater''': These guys ''really'' hate something. They seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. In some cases, the hate may be based on information that was [[StrawmanFallacy never conveyed in the first place]], but is treated as confirmed fact. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from FanDumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. {{Remake}}s of works are frequent targets of this -- people anticipate AdaptationDecay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a ''extant'' show they don't watch.
* '''The Obsessed Hater''': They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about the work so one isn't blindly complaining [[TropesAreTools is a good thing,]] but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the InsaneTrollLogic that somehow, ''because'' this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that ''they'' like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom -- it's more profitable, and gives them free advertisement. (They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is...you get the picture. See the PeripheryDemographic of ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'' for how effective advertisers these anti-fans can be). In a nutshell; this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer; yet they keep buying from you again and again. Sometimes they even bring in ''new'' customers who try out of BileFascination and discover CriticalBacklash instead.
** '''IWasJustPassingThrough:''' Obsessed haters who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original Hate Dumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachment to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of -- assuming they aren't Gushing About Shows They Don't Watch. These customers are like the above; but they make sure to let you know that your competitors are better...yet for some reason keep going back to you. Very common in [[MassivelyMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGame [=MMOs=]]] where you'll see somebody raving about how much better some other [=MMO=] is.
** '''The Revenge Troll''': This is a hater who is hate-obsessed indeed, but they appear to have taken their hatred to [[ItsPersonal personal levels]]. This may overlap with the '''Author Haters''' as well. Expect them to constantly wish for the work's demise, or for the author to retire, obsessing about it like they want revenge on something. They may often misblame the object of their hatred to have caused their favourite show to be canceled, or act more like [[YouKilledMyFather the show or the author snuck into their house at night and murdered their family while they slept]]. However; in the more extreme examples, some people will even cross the MoralEventHorizon, wishing not just cancellation on the show, but wishing for the author or the creators and/or writers of the show[[note]]or sometimes even ''everyone'' who was ever involved with the show (the main actors, the set-designers, actors who made a one-shot appearance on the show and never appeared on it again after that, the sky's the limit)[[/note]] to have terrible things happen to them in real life. This is even more off-putting because they are wishing this on other ''real people'', not just characters from other realities through fiction. The ones who take it that far often overlap with the InternetToughGuy (what better way to creep people out than to intentionally threaten or publicly wish harm on another human being?).

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* '''Complaining about works one didn't take in''': These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it. They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it -- HypeAversion, or the [[NeverTrustATrailer trailer for the work]] has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.
** '''The Preemptive Hater''': These guys ''really'' hate something. They seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. In some cases, the hate may be based on information that was [[StrawmanFallacy never conveyed in the first place]], but is treated as confirmed fact. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from FanDumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. {{Remake}}s of works are frequent targets of this -- people anticipate AdaptationDecay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a ''extant'' show they don't watch.
* '''The Obsessed Hater''': They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about the work so one isn't blindly complaining [[TropesAreTools is a good thing,]] but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the InsaneTrollLogic that somehow, ''because'' this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that ''they'' like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom -- it's more profitable, and [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity gives them free advertisement.advertisement]]. (They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is... you get the picture. See the PeripheryDemographic of ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'' for how effective advertisers these anti-fans can be). be.) In a nutshell; nutshell, this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer; yet they keep buying from you again and again. Sometimes they even bring in ''new'' customers who try out of BileFascination and discover CriticalBacklash instead.
** '''IWasJustPassingThrough:''' Obsessed haters who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original Hate Dumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachment to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of -- assuming they aren't Gushing About Shows They Don't Watch. These customers are like the above; above, but they make sure to let you know that your competitors are better...better... yet for some reason reason, keep going back to you. Very common in [[MassivelyMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGame [=MMOs=]]] where you'll see somebody raving about how much better some other [=MMO=] is.
** '''The Revenge Troll''': This is a hater who is hate-obsessed indeed, but they appear to have taken their hatred to [[ItsPersonal personal levels]]. This may overlap with the '''Author Haters''' as well. Expect them to constantly wish for the work's demise, or for the author to retire, obsessing about it like they want revenge on something. They may often misblame the object of their hatred to have caused their favourite show to be canceled, or act more like [[YouKilledMyFather the show or the author snuck into their house at night and murdered their family while they slept]]. However; However, in the more extreme examples, some people will even cross the MoralEventHorizon, wishing not just cancellation on the show, but wishing for the author or the creators and/or writers of the show[[note]]or sometimes even ''everyone'' who was ever involved with the show (the main actors, the set-designers, actors who made a one-shot appearance on the show and never appeared on it again after that, the sky's the limit)[[/note]] to have terrible things happen to them in real life. This is even more off-putting because they are wishing this on other ''real people'', not just characters from other realities through fiction. The ones who take it that far often overlap with the InternetToughGuy (what better way to creep people out than to intentionally threaten or publicly wish harm on another human being?).



* '''Pop Culture Snob''': The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark something like Family Guy, The Simpsons or South Park]]). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere.
* '''The [[FandomRivalry Rival Fan]]''': This hater ''loves'' a work. Just... not this one. They belong to some fandom with a long-standing [[FandomRivalry rivalry]] with the work they don't like. They tend to insist that the object of their hate is a shoddy knockoff of their show, even when it's completely different. They also insist that [[NoTrueScotsman No]] TrueFan of their show [[YouFailLogicForever could ever like both their show and the show they hate]]. These guys may often invoke [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks accusations of other works attempting to ride on their show's popularity or success]] This overlaps with FanDumb. It can also happen ''[[BrokenBase within]]'' fandoms. Compare the haters who think '''[[ItsTheSameSoItSucks everything is the same]]'''; they could perhaps be called twin Hate Dumb.

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* '''Pop Culture Snob''': The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark something like Family Guy, The Simpsons Simpsons, or South Park]]). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere.
* '''The [[FandomRivalry Rival Fan]]''': This hater ''loves'' a work. Just... not this one. They belong to some fandom with a long-standing [[FandomRivalry rivalry]] with the work they don't like. They tend to insist that the object of their hate is a shoddy knockoff of their show, even when it's completely different. They also insist that [[NoTrueScotsman No]] TrueFan of their show [[YouFailLogicForever could ever like both their show and the show they hate]]. These guys may often invoke [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks accusations of other works attempting to ride on their show's popularity or success]] success]]. This overlaps with FanDumb. It can also happen ''[[BrokenBase within]]'' fandoms. Compare the haters who think '''[[ItsTheSameSoItSucks everything is the same]]'''; they could perhaps be called twin Hate Dumb.



* '''The Hate Monger''': A kind of Hate Dumb that exists around specific characters within a work. They may or may not be a fan of that work itself, but they will not tolerate the existence of the specific characters at ''all''. Whenever the character is even put into [[CharacterFocus focus,]] the hater will be the first to cry "SpotlightStealingSquad!" They also use the "MarySue" label as a weapon and declare the character they do not like a MarySue. It does not matter if the character really is a MarySue; nor does it matter if the hate monger has [[YouKeepUsingThatWord any idea what a Mary Sue is supposed to be]] -- these people have devalued the term. Even if they are right about the character taking too much screentime, their hatred of that character impairs their common sense. [[FanHater They will not allow the character to have fans]] [[RonTheDeathEater if they can help it]]. Hate Mongers have also been known to call "{{Wangst}}" (or a synonym thereof) on someone being justifiably sad... Sometimes, the Hate Monger is a bitter result of DieForOurShip or FandomRivalry around a specific character, hating a character because they want to see more of one they like. TheScrappy is a common target by definition. Someone who tends to be made a DracoInLeatherPants is also a frequent target, even if the voice of moderation tries to speak up. Often a subset of The Mad Bride/Groom, as pairings and [=OTPs=] tend to have ''someone'' [[MurderTheHypotenuse lose out]].
** '''The Mad Homophobe''': A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly [[YouKeepUsingThatWord Gay]]. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is Asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is Bishounen? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by Fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful -- they'll be fine with any romance ''as long as it's not gay''. If it is -- oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!

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* '''The Hate Monger''': A kind of Hate Dumb that exists around specific characters within a work. They may or may not be a fan of that work itself, but they will not tolerate the existence of the specific characters at ''all''. Whenever the character is even put into [[CharacterFocus focus,]] the hater will be the first to cry "SpotlightStealingSquad!" They also use the "MarySue" label as a weapon and declare the character they do not like a MarySue. It does not matter if the character really is a MarySue; nor does it matter if the hate monger has [[YouKeepUsingThatWord any idea what a Mary Sue is supposed to be]] -- these people have devalued the term. Even if they are right about the character taking too much screentime, their hatred of that character impairs their common sense. [[FanHater They will not allow the character to have fans]] [[RonTheDeathEater if they can help it]]. it.]] Hate Mongers have also been known to call "{{Wangst}}" (or a synonym thereof) on someone being justifiably sad... Sometimes, the Hate Monger is a bitter result of DieForOurShip or FandomRivalry around a specific character, hating a character because they want to see more of one they like. TheScrappy is a common target by definition. Someone who tends to be made a DracoInLeatherPants is also a frequent target, even if the voice of moderation tries to speak up. Often a subset of The Mad Bride/Groom, as pairings and [=OTPs=] tend to have ''someone'' [[MurderTheHypotenuse lose out]].
** '''The Mad Homophobe''': A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly [[YouKeepUsingThatWord Gay]]. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is Asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is Bishounen? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by Fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful -- they'll be fine with any romance ''as long as it's not gay''. If it is -- oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!
20th Mar '18 11:38:25 AM nm3youtube
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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry. Unfortunately, with some recent works that irk Un-PC Crusaders, they often dominate less-than-positive discussion of the work and twist legitimate criticisms into "proof" that the producers sacrificed quality for ideology, completely and utterly derailing any critical discussion of that work outside Un-PC Crusader circles.

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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry. Unfortunately, with some recent works that irk Un-PC Crusaders, they often dominate less-than-positive discussion of the work and twist legitimate criticisms from non-Un-PC Crusaders into "proof" that the producers sacrificed quality for ideology, completely and utterly derailing any critical discussion of that work outside Un-PC Crusader circles.
20th Mar '18 7:05:47 AM nm3youtube
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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry. Unfortunately, with some recent works accused of being "[=SJW=] propaganda", Un-PC Crusaders often dominate less-than-positive discussion of the work and twist legitimate criticisms into "proof" that the producers sacrificed quality for ideology, completely and utterly derailing any critical discussion of that work outside right wing circles.

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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry. Unfortunately, with some recent works accused of being "[=SJW=] propaganda", that irk Un-PC Crusaders Crusaders, they often dominate less-than-positive discussion of the work and twist legitimate criticisms into "proof" that the producers sacrificed quality for ideology, completely and utterly derailing any critical discussion of that work outside right wing Un-PC Crusader circles.
20th Mar '18 7:03:57 AM nm3youtube
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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry.

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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry. Unfortunately, with some recent works accused of being "[=SJW=] propaganda", Un-PC Crusaders often dominate less-than-positive discussion of the work and twist legitimate criticisms into "proof" that the producers sacrificed quality for ideology, completely and utterly derailing any critical discussion of that work outside right wing circles.
18th Mar '18 11:11:35 AM nm3youtube
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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes.

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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry.
17th Feb '18 4:49:51 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, [[MortonsFork the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is]] ''[[MortonsFork not]]'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.

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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! The work taking an overtly social justice-friendly stance? Insincere pandering/virtue signaling! A neutral/apolitical work? Fence-sitting is tacit approval of oppression! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, [[MortonsFork the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is]] ''[[MortonsFork not]]'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
13th Jan '18 4:37:21 PM Sakubara
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* '''The Copycat Accuser''': These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence. Most commonly, this will overlap with '''Author Hater''' (hating on the work because of its author), '''The Rival Fan''' (accusing the work of copying the work the hater ''does'' like) or '''Bandwagon Hater''' (accusing the work of being a copycat because others have)

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* '''The Copycat Accuser''': These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. In other words, they live and breathe "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence. Most commonly, this will overlap with '''Author Hater''' (hating on the work because of its author), '''The Rival Fan''' (accusing the work of copying the work the hater ''does'' like) or '''Bandwagon Hater''' (accusing the work of being a copycat because others have)
5th Nov '17 10:01:51 AM Ulkomaalainen
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* '''The Purist''': One of the most wide encompassing forms of Hate Dumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of ''multiple'' kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go ''several'' steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. '''The Purist''' can ''also'' have an idealized view of ''the fandom'' of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the ''entire market''. Naturally, many of these guys [[FanHater tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves]], often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (And largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the FanDumb crying, but also the haters, because they will ''hate'' these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a ''very'' idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to [[NoTrueScotsman "not be true fans"]] of the series, any new entries to [[FanonDiscontinuity "not be true entries]]". ''VERY'' prone to TheyChangedItNowItSucks-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason ''why'' it sucks. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, [[ItsPopularNowItSucks as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular]], also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about ''why'' it is bad, and how they expect FollowTheLeader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a ''similar'' argument about any FollowTheLeader type stuff against ''your'' interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste, if not a HandWave.)

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* '''The Purist''': One of the most wide encompassing forms of Hate Dumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of ''multiple'' kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go ''several'' steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. '''The Purist''' can ''also'' have an idealized view of ''the fandom'' of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the ''entire market''. Naturally, many of these guys [[FanHater tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves]], often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (And (and largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the FanDumb crying, but also the haters, because they will ''hate'' these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a ''very'' idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to [[NoTrueScotsman "not be true fans"]] of the series, any new entries to [[FanonDiscontinuity "not be true entries]]". ''VERY'' prone to TheyChangedItNowItSucks-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason ''why'' it sucks. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, [[ItsPopularNowItSucks as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular]], also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about ''why'' it is bad, and how they expect FollowTheLeader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a ''similar'' argument about any FollowTheLeader type stuff against ''your'' interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste, if not a HandWave.)
4th Nov '17 2:34:46 PM Ulkomaalainen
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** '''The Chronic Flouncer''': He is so done with the show, and he will tell you so with an epic post detailing just how much he hates it now and how much better the first season was, capping his post with a seemingly final goodbye to everyone because have we mentioned that he is completely and utterly done with this terrible show? He's dunzo. Finished. Over it. Until next week, at least, when he's back to complain yet again about the next episode, which he took the time to watch, then complain bitterly about its terrible quality. Afterward, he announces yet again that he is done ''for really, really, real this time!'' Don't get too comfortable with his absence, because he'll be back not only for next week's episode but for the next season as well, which he will, of course, vow in his weekly farewell address to not watch even at gunpoint.

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** '''The Chronic Flouncer''': He is so done with the show, and he will tell you so with an epic post detailing just how much he hates it now and how much better the first season was, capping his post with a seemingly final goodbye to everyone because have we mentioned that he is completely and utterly done with this terrible show? He's dunzo. Finished. Over it. Until next week, at least, when he's back to complain yet again about the next episode, which he took the time to watch, then complain bitterly about its terrible quality. Afterward, Afterwards, he announces yet again that he is done ''for really, really, real this time!'' Don't get too comfortable with his absence, because he'll be back not only for next week's episode but for the next season as well, which he will, of course, vow in his weekly farewell address to not watch even at gunpoint.
24th Sep '17 5:50:39 PM nombretomado
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** '''Review Trolls'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom. They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll just post a one to three sentence "review", [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well.

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** '''Review Trolls'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom. They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll just post a one to three sentence "review", [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well.
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