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6th May '16 1:49:58 PM rjd1922
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* '''Fan Hater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

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* '''Fan Hater:''' '''FanHater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s Fan Haters are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.
1st May '16 1:35:58 PM SuckerPerpetrator
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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Some ironically stereotype entire mediums because of certain works displaying misogyny/homophobia (it's okay to stereotype ''when we do it!''), blame everything on white people (it's not racist ''when we do it!''), and others grasp at straws to get offended. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.

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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Some ironically stereotype Oftentimes dismissing entire mediums because of certain works displaying misogyny/homophobia (it's okay to stereotype ''when we do it!''), blame everything genres based on white people (it's not racist ''when we do it!''), and others grasp at straws to get offended.select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
1st May '16 1:34:50 PM SuckerPerpetrator
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* '''The Science Snob/Armchair Historian:''' People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they [[{{Irony}} did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question]]. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic. Sometimes, someone will respond to their claims with "in a show where people can do magic, I don't think they're really going for realism, here." In other cases, they may be criticizing works where ScienceMarchesOn as being "unrealistic" or having "Bad science". Even stuff that, at the time it was made, was considered pure fantasy.

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* '''The Science Snob/Armchair Historian:''' People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they [[{{Irony}} did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question]]. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic. Sometimes, someone will respond to their claims with "in a show where people can do magic, I don't think they're really going for realism, here." In other cases, they may be criticizing works where ScienceMarchesOn as being "unrealistic" or having "Bad science". Even stuff that, at the time it was made, was considered pure fantasy.{{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic and dragons flying around.
22nd Apr '16 11:10:58 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Some ironically stereotype entire mediums because of certain works displaying misogyny/homophobia (it's okay to stereotype ''when we do it!''), blame everything on white people (it's not racist ''when we do it!''), and others grasp at straws to get offended. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]].
** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" [[BlackComedy offensive jokes]], or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices in the guise of 'free speech'.
** More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. etc. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]].

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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Some ironically stereotype entire mediums because of certain works displaying misogyny/homophobia (it's okay to stereotype ''when we do it!''), blame everything on white people (it's not racist ''when we do it!''), and others grasp at straws to get offended. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]].work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat! throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" [[BlackComedy offensive jokes]], or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices in the guise of 'free speech'.
** More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. etc. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]].sidelines]], though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal.
5th Mar '16 5:04:39 AM WillBGood
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* '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Genre Alien]]''': The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the O variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'', blood and swearing in ''Film/DieHard'', or soft rock band America not being "heavy enough".) They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called '''The Mad Editor'''.

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* '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Genre Alien]]''': The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the O Obsessed variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'', blood and swearing in ''Film/DieHard'', or soft rock band America not being "heavy enough".) They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called '''The Mad Editor'''.
5th Mar '16 4:49:53 AM WillBGood
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Hate dumb is the polar opposite of {{fan dumb}}, it always exists, and where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.

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Hate dumb is the polar opposite of {{fan dumb}}, it dumb}}. It always exists, and exists-- where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.
21st Jan '16 7:01:28 PM nombretomado
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** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like Series/{{Supernatural}}. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.

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** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of StephenColbert, Creator/StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like Series/{{Supernatural}}. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.
26th Sep '15 12:02:33 PM eroock
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22nd Sep '15 5:56:22 PM DavidDelony
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** More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. etc. In any case, it's great fun to watch.

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** More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. etc. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch.watch from the sidelines]].
9th Sep '15 6:44:30 AM eliaskelham
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* '''Fan Hater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself is somehow affecting one's enjoyment of the series, or affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction but hate others are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. This may be justifiable under online-only games like ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'', but these guys will often trash single-player only games like ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' on the basis of their fans. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

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* '''Fan Hater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself is somehow affecting one's enjoyment of the series, or affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but hate others still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. This may be justifiable under online-only games like ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'', but these guys will often trash single-player only games like ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' on the basis of their fans.interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.
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