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22nd Apr '17 10:59:01 AM ZerbuTabek
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* '''The Copycat Accuser''': These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence.

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* '''The Copycat Accuser''': These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence. Most commonly, this will overlap with '''Author Hater''' (hating on the work because of its author), '''The Rival Fan''' (accusing the work of copying the work the hater ''does'' like) or '''Bandwagon Hater''' (accusing the work of being a copycat because others have)
22nd Apr '17 10:52:35 AM ZerbuTabek
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* '''The Copycat Accuser''': These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence.
12th Apr '17 2:15:32 PM ZerbuTabek
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** '''The Preemptive Hater''': These guys ''really'' hate something. They seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from FanDumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. {{Remake}}s of works are frequent targets of this -- people anticipate AdaptationDecay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a ''extant'' show they don't watch.

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** '''The Preemptive Hater''': These guys ''really'' hate something. They seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. In some cases, the hate may be based on information that was [[StrawmanFallacy never conveyed in the first place]], but is treated as confirmed fact. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from FanDumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. {{Remake}}s of works are frequent targets of this -- people anticipate AdaptationDecay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a ''extant'' show they don't watch.
4th Apr '17 12:53:10 PM anty21
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** [[HorseshoeTheory And there are even times when the PC and un-PC Crusaders are]] NotSoDifferent after all. For example, they both tend to to be most vocal when it comes to [[RaceLift a character getting an unexpected skin tone change in an adaptation]] but they do it for opposed reasons : when a minority is changed into a majority, the PC Crusader blames Hollywood for being racist and/or appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator, while in the inverse situation, the un-PC Crusader blames Hollywood for getting too PC and/or foreign countries for failing to have white actors playing white characters.

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** [[HorseshoeTheory [[TheHorseshoeEffect And there are even times when the PC and un-PC Crusaders are]] NotSoDifferent after all. For example, they both tend to to be most vocal when it comes to [[RaceLift a character getting an unexpected skin tone change in an adaptation]] but they do it for opposed reasons : when a minority is changed into a majority, the PC Crusader blames Hollywood for being racist and/or appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator, while in the inverse situation, the un-PC Crusader blames Hollywood for getting too PC and/or foreign countries for failing to have white actors playing white characters.
4th Apr '17 12:51:03 PM anty21
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** [[HorseshoeTheory And there are even times when the PC and un-PC Crusaders are]] NotSoDifferent after all. For example, they both tend to to be most vocal when it comes to [[RaceLift a character getting an unexpected skin tone change in an adaptation]] but they do it for opposed reasons : when a minority is changed into a majority, the PC Crusader blames Hollywood for being racist and/or appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator, while in the inverse situation, the un-PC Crusader blames Hollywood for getting too PC and/or foreign countries for failing to have white actors playing white characters.
11th Mar '17 12:43:00 PM DavidDelony
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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''[[MortonsFork not]]'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.

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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, [[MortonsFork the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is is]] ''[[MortonsFork not]]'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
11th Mar '17 12:42:18 PM DavidDelony
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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.

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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' ''[[MortonsFork not]]'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
31st Jan '17 8:20:24 PM Scifimaster92
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** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of Creator/StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.

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** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' or Creator/StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''.''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' or ''Literature/HarryPotter''. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.
2nd Dec '16 11:04:25 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.

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* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is ''not'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
29th Oct '16 10:09:59 PM DimensionalShambler
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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" [[BlackComedy offensive jokes]], make long screeds on why being politically correct will hurt them and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices in the guise of 'free speech'.

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** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" [[BlackComedy offensive jokes]], jokes, make long screeds on why being politically correct will hurt them not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech'.
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