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9th May '15 6:12:05 AM SeptimusHeap
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The ''Harpoon'' series of video games is based on the [[TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rule sets]] created by Creator/LarryBond, originally to train US Naval Reserve Cadets. The rule set was used in ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober'' by Creator/TomClancy and Bond was practically co-writer on ''Literature/RedStormRising''.

The game is a simulation of aerial and naval warfare, seriously striving for realism. This is evidenced by the graphics. Not going for the flashy graphics of other RTS, it actually shows what you would see in the Combat Information Center of the warship (there are two modes you can choose and a variety of different settings for each view-screen, since you can have multiple in-game windows open). You can see photographs of many of the ships and look at their statistics (not unrealistic, most RL naval ships will have at least a copy of ''Jane's Fighting Ships'' on board). You can also conduct ground strikes via aircraft.

In fact, simulator would be the better word- it's been described as the best unclassified simulator out there and has been used by several RL navies for training.

Scenarios have randomness added to them. You can create your own scenarios and also make your own databases via a (free) request-able editor (the standard database and the in-game scenarios are all from c.1995). Of the user databases, The [=PlayersDB=] is particularly good, covers the 1960-2030+ period, and is constantly updated with community requests to cover new additions. It is considered the most functional and user-friendly of all current databases. The [=DB2000=] covers the 1980-2015+ timeframe. There are databases for earlier time periods.

Features both single and multi-player modes, with "Dawn Patrol" being a popular scenario for that (a corvette v. missile boat battle).

The current versions are ''Harpoon: Commander's Edition'' and ''Harpoon 3: Advanced Naval Warfare'', the former leaning for ease of use, the latter for accuracy. The latter was formerly buggy, but 3.9 has fixed a lot of the issues. The TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rules are still available and now in their fourth edition.
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This game series contains examples of:
* BombersOnTheScreen
* EasyLogistics: Air units have fuel to go their missions, while ships don't have to worry about range.
** Occasionally ships will breakdown and lose the functionality of the broken system.
** All units have a limited supply of weapons that cannot be replenished (at least in the original versions of the game), ''except'' that any air units are able to land and re-arm no matter what.
* MacrossMissileMassacre - What happens when a large force of aircraft unload their missiles on a naval or ground target
* MookChivalry - Sometimes you get lone AI aircraft having a go at your task force before being blown out of the sky. The "conga line of missiles", however, is a tad more threatening.
* UsefulNotes/FromRussiaWithNukes
* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: The SS-N-19 ''Shipwreck'' missile carried by the "Oscar" submarines, the "Kuznetsov" aircraft carrier and the "Kirov" class battlecruiser. It lives up to it's name. Anything smaller than a carrier or Iowa battleship will be sunk in one hit, and those two types of ship would be lucky to withstand more than a handful of hits.
* SuperiorFirepower
* HeroUnit - Various CoolShip units, such as Soviet "''Kirov''" BCGN or "Oscar" SSGN, US Iowa BB or various carriers.
* RealTimeStrategy - Whilst at its core a real time strategy game, Harpoon completely averts and subverts the usual RTS genre tropes such as:
** ArbitraryHeadcountLimit - Averted. You want to recreate an assault by the combined North Korean, Chinese and East Asian Russian forces against Japan, South Korea and the US? Go for it. Although it's already been done. Expect to be playing for a long, long time, almost all of which will be spent in 1:1 (realtime) or 2:1 if your computer can't handle it.
** ConstructAdditionalPylons - Each ship, each helo, each plane, each base is a unique and irreplaceable unit.
** CripplingOverspecialization - Averted in the case of most ship units, as almost any ship will carry at least a naval artillery gun, and even the smallest gunboats can sink the largest ships if they get lucky with missiles. About the most you get into this, are subs with torpedoes only capable of hitting other subs.
** CriticalExistenceFailure - Averted. Ships take realistic damage, lose sensors and weapons if hit where those sensors or weapons are located. They can catch fire or flood. If you hurt a CVN or airbase enough, it can balloon aircraft ready times to 2 or 3 times the usual time. Ships can sink due to fire or flood damage. Likewise, occasionally a ship that takes a pounding can come out with 97% damage, but otherwise unharmed.
** EscortMission - Can range from a 3 ship convoy hiking fuel from England to Norway, or a 40 ship assault flotilla being guarded by multiple CVN Groups.
** FogOfWar - If you don't have a sensor lighting it up, or someone listening on a sonar, or watching it with their eyeball or an ESM system, picking it up you have no idea what's there. You also have areas of vagueness with passively detected units. Unless you have a setting turned on, you cannot communicate with your own subs below periscope depth.
*** You also may not be able to fire at a unit if you don't have a radar from the specific ship locked on it.
** StopPokingMe
** YouRequireMoreVespeneGas - The only "resource" is your units, and their weapons. The only "renewable" resource are aerially delivered weapon (ie by planes that rearm).
* TheGreatPoliticsMessUp: Was around ''before'' the Soviet Union collapsed.
* VideogameCaringPotential - Towards especially lucky or effective units.
* VideoGameLongRunners: Since ''1989''.
* TheWarSequence: While there are many low-level missions, there are still a lot of full scale war recreations, some of the biggest being an theatre wide war between North Korea, China & Russia against South Korea, Japan & the United States.

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The ''Harpoon'' A link somewhere on the Internet sent you to this page.

It may refer to one of the following:
* ''TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}}'': A naval miniature game by Creator/LarryBond.
* ''VideoGame/{{Harpoon}}'': A
series of video games is based on the [[TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rule sets]] created by Creator/LarryBond, originally to train US Naval Reserve Cadets. The rule set was used in ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober'' by Creator/TomClancy and Bond was practically co-writer on ''Literature/RedStormRising''.

The game is a simulation of aerial and
naval warfare, seriously striving for realism. This is evidenced by {{Simulation Game}}s.

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the graphics. Not going for the flashy graphics of other RTS, it actually shows what you would see in the Combat Information Center of the warship (there are two modes you can choose and a variety of different settings for each view-screen, since you can have multiple in-game windows open). You can see photographs of many of the ships and look at their statistics (not unrealistic, most RL naval ships will have at least a copy of ''Jane's Fighting Ships'' on board). You can also conduct ground strikes via aircraft.

In fact, simulator would be the better word- it's been described as the best unclassified simulator out there and has been used by several RL navies for training.

Scenarios have randomness added to them. You can create your own scenarios and also make your own databases via a (free) request-able editor (the standard database and the in-game scenarios are all from c.1995). Of the user databases, The [=PlayersDB=] is particularly good, covers the 1960-2030+ period, and is constantly updated with community requests to cover new additions. It is considered the most functional and user-friendly of all current databases. The [=DB2000=] covers the 1980-2015+ timeframe. There are databases for earlier time periods.

Features both single and multi-player modes, with "Dawn Patrol" being a popular scenario for that (a corvette v. missile boat battle).

The current versions are ''Harpoon: Commander's Edition'' and ''Harpoon 3: Advanced Naval Warfare'', the former leaning for ease of use, the latter for accuracy. The latter was formerly buggy, but 3.9 has fixed a lot of the issues. The TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rules are still available and now in their fourth edition.
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This game series contains examples of:
* BombersOnTheScreen
* EasyLogistics: Air units have fuel to go their missions, while ships don't have to worry about range.
** Occasionally ships will breakdown and lose the functionality of the broken system.
** All units have a limited supply of weapons that cannot be replenished (at least in the original versions of the game), ''except'' that any air units are able to land and re-arm no matter what.
* MacrossMissileMassacre - What happens when a large force of aircraft unload their missiles on a naval or ground target
* MookChivalry - Sometimes you get lone AI aircraft having a go at your task force before being blown out of the sky. The "conga line of missiles", however, is a tad more threatening.
* UsefulNotes/FromRussiaWithNukes
* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: The SS-N-19 ''Shipwreck'' missile carried by the "Oscar" submarines, the "Kuznetsov" aircraft carrier and the "Kirov" class battlecruiser. It lives up to it's name. Anything smaller than a carrier or Iowa battleship will be sunk in one hit, and those two types of ship would be lucky to withstand more than a handful of hits.
* SuperiorFirepower
* HeroUnit - Various CoolShip units, such as Soviet "''Kirov''" BCGN or "Oscar" SSGN, US Iowa BB or various carriers.
* RealTimeStrategy - Whilst at its core a real time strategy game, Harpoon completely averts and subverts the usual RTS genre tropes such as:
** ArbitraryHeadcountLimit - Averted. You want to recreate an assault by the combined North Korean, Chinese and East Asian Russian forces against Japan, South Korea and the US? Go for it. Although it's already been done. Expect to be playing for a long, long time, almost all of which will be spent in 1:1 (realtime) or 2:1 if your computer can't handle it.
** ConstructAdditionalPylons - Each ship, each helo, each plane, each base is a unique and irreplaceable unit.
** CripplingOverspecialization - Averted in the case of most ship units, as almost any ship will carry at least a naval artillery gun, and even the smallest gunboats can sink the largest ships if they get lucky with missiles. About the most you get into this, are subs with torpedoes only capable of hitting other subs.
** CriticalExistenceFailure - Averted. Ships take realistic damage, lose sensors and weapons if hit where those sensors or weapons are located. They can catch fire or flood. If you hurt a CVN or airbase enough, it can balloon aircraft ready times to 2 or 3 times the usual time. Ships can sink due to fire or flood damage. Likewise, occasionally a ship that takes a pounding can come out with 97% damage, but otherwise unharmed.
** EscortMission - Can range from a 3 ship convoy hiking fuel from England to Norway, or a 40 ship assault flotilla being guarded by multiple CVN Groups.
** FogOfWar - If you don't have a sensor lighting it up, or someone listening on a sonar, or watching it with their eyeball or an ESM system, picking it up you have no idea what's there. You also have areas of vagueness with passively detected units. Unless you have a setting turned on, you cannot communicate with your own subs below periscope depth.
*** You also may not be able to fire at a unit if you don't have a radar from the specific ship locked on it.
** StopPokingMe
** YouRequireMoreVespeneGas - The only "resource" is your units, and their weapons. The only "renewable" resource are aerially delivered weapon (ie by planes that rearm).
* TheGreatPoliticsMessUp: Was around ''before'' the Soviet Union collapsed.
* VideogameCaringPotential - Towards especially lucky or effective units.
* VideoGameLongRunners: Since ''1989''.
* TheWarSequence: While there are many low-level missions, there are still a lot of full scale war recreations, some of the biggest being an theatre wide war between North Korea, China & Russia against South Korea, Japan & the United States.

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3rd Aug '14 6:12:31 AM mack
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* TheWarSequence: While there are many low-level missions, there are still a lot of full scale war recreations, some of the biggest being an theatre wide war between North Korea, China & Russia against South Korea, Japan & the United States.
20th Apr '14 10:16:04 AM mack
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* MnogoNukesUsefulNotes/FromRussiaWithNukes
20th Apr '14 10:14:59 AM mack
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* GameBreaker: The game can create scenarios that make you understand just how terrifying a prospect of World War 3 was to those living or serving in the armed forces at the time.
** The human ability to exploit the unlimited aircraft ammunition can make even the hardest missions a cakewalk if those aircraft are armed with appropriate weapons, by a process of simple attrition. Having to defeat a Soviet fleet can be easy if your NATO airbase includes a squadron of [=P3=] Orion aircraft. While intended for anti-sub work, they can each carry 4 harpoon missiles a very long way. Even though they are slow, the missiles aren't fast and most big Soviet fleets can shoot them down, you can repeatedly attack the group until they simply run out of missiles.
** NATO lacks the longer range, supersonic attack missiles that the Soviets have. They rely on sub-sonic missiles like the Tomahawk & Harpoon, which are easily shot down by the Soviet fleets which are bristling with anti air and missile weapons.
** The 1980's era Soviet Union surface fleet suffers from a lack of air cover due to lacking aircraft carriers. US Aircraft like the [=F-14=] have the ability to pick off any aircraft from well beyond the range of the Soviet aircraft.
** Soviet forces in most large scenarios get ''squadrons'' worth of the TU series of long-range maritime bombers like the Backfire, Bear, Badger. Most of these aircraft can carry ''three'' long-range, supersonic missiles that are dual purpose, able to attack both ships and ground bases. A single squadron of 25 Backfires can carry enough missiles to destroy any base in the game or to take out an entire US Carrier group while blazing through the sky on afterburner for extremely long periods of time to reach the target before being intercepted. This is ''realistic'', and in many scenarios, the human player has enough aircraft at their disposal to complete their mission ''without'' using the airbase reload exploit.
*** The missiles are supersonic, hard to shoot down and will sink anything short of a carrier or Iowa battleship in one hit (and a carrier or Iowa will only be able to take a handful of hits anyway). To make it ''worse'', they can be loaded with nuclear warheads.
** The Oscar class soviet submarine can be described as Backfire squadron in one boat.
3rd Dec '13 4:57:32 PM Vasha
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The ''Harpoon'' series of video games is based on the [[TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rule sets]] created by Larry Bond, originally to train US Naval Reserve Cadets. The rule set was used in ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober'' by Creator/TomClancy and Bond was practically co-writer on ''RedStormRising''.

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The ''Harpoon'' series of video games is based on the [[TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rule sets]] created by Larry Bond, Creator/LarryBond, originally to train US Naval Reserve Cadets. The rule set was used in ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober'' by Creator/TomClancy and Bond was practically co-writer on ''RedStormRising''.
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27th Oct '13 11:06:17 AM mack
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** NATO lacks the longer range, supersonic attack missiles that the Soviets have. They rely on sub-sonic missiles like the Tomahawk & Harpoon, which are easily shot down by the Soviet fleets which are bristling with anti air and missile weapons.
27th Oct '13 11:01:59 AM mack
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* GameBreaker: The game can create scenarios that make you understand just how terrifying a prospect of world war 3 was to those living or serving in the armed forces at the time.

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* GameBreaker: The game can create scenarios that make you understand just how terrifying a prospect of world war World War 3 was to those living or serving in the armed forces at the time.
27th Oct '13 11:01:01 AM mack
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* EasyLogistics: Air units have fuel to go their missions, while ships don't have to worry about range.
** Occasionally ships will breakdown and lose the functionality of the broken system.
** All units have a limited supply of weapons that cannot be replenished (at least in the original versions of the game), ''except'' that any air units are able to land and re-arm no matter what.
* GameBreaker: The game can create scenarios that make you understand just how terrifying a prospect of world war 3 was to those living or serving in the armed forces at the time.
** The human ability to exploit the unlimited aircraft ammunition can make even the hardest missions a cakewalk if those aircraft are armed with appropriate weapons, by a process of simple attrition. Having to defeat a Soviet fleet can be easy if your NATO airbase includes a squadron of [=P3=] Orion aircraft. While intended for anti-sub work, they can each carry 4 harpoon missiles a very long way. Even though they are slow, the missiles aren't fast and most big Soviet fleets can shoot them down, you can repeatedly attack the group until they simply run out of missiles.
** The 1980's era Soviet Union surface fleet suffers from a lack of air cover due to lacking aircraft carriers. US Aircraft like the [=F-14=] have the ability to pick off any aircraft from well beyond the range of the Soviet aircraft.
** Soviet forces in most large scenarios get ''squadrons'' worth of the TU series of long-range maritime bombers like the Backfire, Bear, Badger. Most of these aircraft can carry ''three'' long-range, supersonic missiles that are dual purpose, able to attack both ships and ground bases. A single squadron of 25 Backfires can carry enough missiles to destroy any base in the game or to take out an entire US Carrier group while blazing through the sky on afterburner for extremely long periods of time to reach the target before being intercepted. This is ''realistic'', and in many scenarios, the human player has enough aircraft at their disposal to complete their mission ''without'' using the airbase reload exploit.
*** The missiles are supersonic, hard to shoot down and will sink anything short of a carrier or Iowa battleship in one hit (and a carrier or Iowa will only be able to take a handful of hits anyway). To make it ''worse'', they can be loaded with nuclear warheads.
** The Oscar class soviet submarine can be described as Backfire squadron in one boat.


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* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: The SS-N-19 ''Shipwreck'' missile carried by the "Oscar" submarines, the "Kuznetsov" aircraft carrier and the "Kirov" class battlecruiser. It lives up to it's name. Anything smaller than a carrier or Iowa battleship will be sunk in one hit, and those two types of ship would be lucky to withstand more than a handful of hits.
6th Jul '13 5:43:01 PM Sheora
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** ArbitraryHeadcountLimit - Heavily averted. You want to recreate an assault by the combined North Korean, Chinese and East Asian Russian forces against Japan, South Korea and the US? Go for it. Although it's already been done. Expect to be playing for a long, long time, almost all of which will be spent in 1:1 (realtime) or 2:1 if your computer can't handle it.

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** ArbitraryHeadcountLimit - Heavily averted.Averted. You want to recreate an assault by the combined North Korean, Chinese and East Asian Russian forces against Japan, South Korea and the US? Go for it. Although it's already been done. Expect to be playing for a long, long time, almost all of which will be spent in 1:1 (realtime) or 2:1 if your computer can't handle it.
26th Feb '13 6:22:01 AM Nohbody
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The ''Harpoon'' series of video games is based on the [[TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rule sets]] created by Larry Bond, originally to train US Naval Reserve Cadets. The rule set was used in ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober'' by TomClancy and Bond was practically co-writer on ''RedStormRising''.

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The ''Harpoon'' series of video games is based on the [[TabletopGame/{{Harpoon}} miniatures rule sets]] created by Larry Bond, originally to train US Naval Reserve Cadets. The rule set was used in ''Literature/TheHuntForRedOctober'' by TomClancy Creator/TomClancy and Bond was practically co-writer on ''RedStormRising''.
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