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17th Mar '17 9:15:27 AM WaxingName
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* Similarly to Sonic, the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' franchise rose from humble roots as a [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic series]] about a robot defending the world from the jealous Dr. Wily. Then came the ''VideoGame/MegaManX'' series, which featured far more intense combat and mechanics on top of a more mature protagonist who just wants the fighting to stop, and as that series made the jump to the UsefulNotes/PlayStation, it explored the [[{{Deconstruction}} dark implications]] of building an entire line of fully sentient robots. The ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series went even further by exploring the oppression of Reploids and how Zero and Ciel were working towards human-Reploid equality.

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* Similarly to Sonic, the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' franchise rose from humble roots as a [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic series]] about a robot defending the world from the jealous Dr. Wily. Then came the ''VideoGame/MegaManX'' series, which featured far more intense combat and mechanics on top of a more mature protagonist who just wants the fighting to stop, and as that series made the jump to the UsefulNotes/PlayStation, it explored the [[{{Deconstruction}} dark implications]] of building an entire line of fully sentient robots. The ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series went even further by exploring the oppression of Reploids and how Zero and Ciel were working towards human-Reploid equality. And while ''VideoGame/MegaManZX'' is LighterAndSofter, it still carries much of ''Zero''[='=]s mature themes
17th Mar '17 8:07:57 AM MyFinalEdits
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* One word: ''Franchise/{{DCAU}}''. Especially ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited''.

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* %%* One word: ''Franchise/{{DCAU}}''. Especially ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited''.



* ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'' did something similar. The prequel, ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'', which focuses on Sulley's and Mike's college days, came out when the audience for the original movie were in college.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'' did something similar. The prequel, prequel to ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'', ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'', which focuses on Sulley's and Mike's college days, came out when the audience for the original movie were in college.



* This was attempted with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', with its DarkerAndEdgier sequels ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''. It initially worked really well, with ratings getting to even bigger heights than before. However, by the time the second season of Ultimate Alien hit, the series had lost plenty of its older audience, even though the series kept getting darker and darker with every episode (the mentioned season 2 of Ultimate Alien outright deals with adult themes in some of its episodes). This, combined with the [[AuthorExistenceFailure tragically passing]] of its series runner {{Creator/Dwayne Mcduffie}}, pushed Cartoon Network to take the decision of backtracking with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', followed by a [[ContinuityReboot reboot of the franchise]].

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* This was attempted with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', with its DarkerAndEdgier sequels ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''. It initially worked really well, with ratings getting to even bigger heights than before. However, by the time the second season of Ultimate Alien hit, the series had lost plenty of its older audience, even though the series kept getting darker and darker with every episode (the mentioned season 2 of Ultimate Alien outright deals with adult themes in some of its episodes). This, combined with the [[AuthorExistenceFailure tragically passing]] of its series runner {{Creator/Dwayne Mcduffie}}, Creator/DwayneMcduffie, pushed Cartoon Network to take the decision of backtracking with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', followed by a [[ContinuityReboot reboot of the franchise]].
17th Mar '17 8:00:43 AM jdgs
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* This was attempted with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', with its DarkerAndEdgier sequels ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''. It initially worked really well, with ratings getting to even bigger heights than before. However, by the time the second season of Ultimate Alien hit, the series had lost plenty of its older audience, even though the series kept getting darker and darker with every episode (the mentioned season 2 of Ultimate Alien outright deals with adult themes in some of its episodes). This, combined with the [[AuthorExistenceFailure tragically passing]] of its series runner Creator/Dwayne Mcduffie, pushed Cartoon Network to take the decision of backtracking with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', followed by a [[ContinuityReboot reboot of the franchise]].

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* This was attempted with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', with its DarkerAndEdgier sequels ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''. It initially worked really well, with ratings getting to even bigger heights than before. However, by the time the second season of Ultimate Alien hit, the series had lost plenty of its older audience, even though the series kept getting darker and darker with every episode (the mentioned season 2 of Ultimate Alien outright deals with adult themes in some of its episodes). This, combined with the [[AuthorExistenceFailure tragically passing]] of its series runner Creator/Dwayne Mcduffie, {{Creator/Dwayne Mcduffie}}, pushed Cartoon Network to take the decision of backtracking with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', followed by a [[ContinuityReboot reboot of the franchise]].
17th Mar '17 7:59:32 AM jdgs
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* This was attempted with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', with its DarkerAndEdgier sequels ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''. However, this didn't work out so well, which resulted in Cartoon Network backtracking with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', followed by a [[ContinuityReboot reboot of the franchise]].

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* This was attempted with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'', with its DarkerAndEdgier sequels ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''. It initially worked really well, with ratings getting to even bigger heights than before. However, this didn't work out so well, which resulted by the time the second season of Ultimate Alien hit, the series had lost plenty of its older audience, even though the series kept getting darker and darker with every episode (the mentioned season 2 of Ultimate Alien outright deals with adult themes in some of its episodes). This, combined with the [[AuthorExistenceFailure tragically passing]] of its series runner Creator/Dwayne Mcduffie, pushed Cartoon Network to take the decision of backtracking with ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', followed by a [[ContinuityReboot reboot of the franchise]].
14th Mar '17 3:58:12 PM WaxingName
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* Similarly to Sonic, the ''Franchise/MegaMan'' franchise rose from humble roots as a [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic series]] about a robot defending the world from the jealous Dr. Wily. Then came the ''VideoGame/MegaManX'' series, which featured far more intense combat and mechanics on top of a more mature protagonist who just wants the fighting to stop, and as that series made the jump to the UsefulNotes/PlayStation, it explored the [[{{Deconstruction}} dark implications]] of building an entire line of fully sentient robots. The ''VideoGame/MegaManZero'' series went even further by exploring the oppression of Reploids and how Zero and Ciel were working towards human-Reploid equality.
10th Mar '17 1:36:13 PM MyFinalEdits
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* Toys/{{BIONICLE}}, in its original run, went whole-hog with this, especially in the later years. It featured shades of CosmicHorrorStory, named characters dying, and thoughts of nihilism and hopelessness. The series even had the guile to have an ending where[[spoiler:TheBadGuyWins, if only temporarily]]. The intent seemed to be to make stories more mature as the audience inevitably got mature, similar to the Harry Potter example.

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* Toys/{{BIONICLE}}, in its original run, went whole-hog with this, especially in the later years. It featured shades of CosmicHorrorStory, named characters dying, and thoughts of nihilism and hopelessness. The series even had the guile to have an ending where[[spoiler:TheBadGuyWins, if only temporarily]]. The intent seemed to be to make stories more mature as the audience inevitably got mature, similar to the Harry Potter example.
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* Creator/JKRowling intentionally wrote the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series to encompass more mature and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book.
** The film's ratings reflect this. From ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' (where Harry turns 14) onward, the films would receive 12A/PG-13 ratings instead of PGs.
** And now both ''Theatre/CursedChild'' and ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' have adult protagonists and adult conflicts (contrast the depiction of child neglect/abuse in ''Philosopher's Stone'' and ''Fantastic Beasts'').

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* Creator/JKRowling intentionally wrote the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series to encompass more mature and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book. \n** This is also reflected in the other media of the franchise: The film's ratings reflect this. From film adaptations, from ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' (where Harry turns 14) onward, the films would receive 12A/PG-13 ratings instead of PGs.
** And now
PG. Later on, both ''Theatre/CursedChild'' and ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' have adult protagonists and adult conflicts (contrast the depiction of child neglect/abuse in ''Philosopher's Stone'' and ''Fantastic Beasts'').



* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' is a very good example of this trope. Its first season was full of one-off comedic adventure stories, whereas several seasons later as its original audience has grown, the characters have aged and developed, there is ongoing continuity in several serious storylines, and the show routinely deals with more mature themes.
* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' is a similar case, starting out light-hearted yet becoming more plot-driven and mature over the years. However, it still successfully manages to stay child-friendly enough so as not to exclude new audiences.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' is a very good example of this trope.''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime''. Its first season was full of one-off comedic adventure stories, whereas several seasons later as its original audience has grown, the characters have aged and developed, there is ongoing continuity in several serious storylines, and the show routinely deals with more mature themes.
* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' is a similar case, starting started out light-hearted yet becoming more plot-driven and mature over the years. However, it still successfully manages to stay child-friendly enough so as not to exclude new audiences.
10th Mar '17 12:54:31 PM MrChips2301
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* Creator/JKRowling intentionally wrote the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series to encompass more mature and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book.
** And now both ''Theatre/CursedChild'' and ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' have adult protagonists and adult conflicts (contrast the depiction of child neglect/abuse in ''Philosopher's Stone'' and ''Fantastic Beasts'').
* Creator/AlanGarner wrote two fantasy novels in the early [[TheSixties nineteen-sixties]], aimed at a readership of 12 or above. [[CreatorBacklash The fact he didn't like the books very much]] meant it took him a long time to get around to writing a concluding sequel, ''Literature/{{Boneland}}''. Fifty years, to be precise. ''Boneland'' is as far away as you can possibly get from the certainties and the linear plot of ''Literature/TheMoonOfGomrath''. The book has a dark, grey, quality to it and follows one of the child-characters from the earlier books into adulthood. Colin, the heroic child who entered Faerie at age twelve, is bewildered, disillusioned, on the brink of the male menopause and fighting mental health issues. He is, quite literally, wondering where the Magic went to. It isn't difficult to suspect Garner is writing an ironic postscript for all those children who devoured the magic of ''Brisingamen'' and ''Gomrath''. And then grew up into adults, thinking back to the magical excitement of reading Garner's adventures as kids, and who today....

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* Creator/JKRowling intentionally wrote
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*While ''Franchise/DragonBall'' has always been a children's franchise in Japan, its English localization has grown with
the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series audience. This is due to encompass more mature Japan and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book.
** And now both ''Theatre/CursedChild'' and ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' have adult protagonists and adult conflicts (contrast the depiction of child neglect/abuse in ''Philosopher's Stone'' and ''Fantastic Beasts'').
* Creator/AlanGarner wrote two fantasy novels in the early [[TheSixties nineteen-sixties]], aimed at a readership of 12 or above. [[CreatorBacklash The fact he didn't like the books
America having [[ValuesDissonance very much]] meant it took him a long time to get around to writing a concluding sequel, ''Literature/{{Boneland}}''. Fifty years, to be precise. ''Boneland'' different ideas about what is as far away as you can possibly get from the certainties and the linear plot of ''Literature/TheMoonOfGomrath''. The book has a dark, grey, quality to it and follows one of the child-characters from the earlier books into adulthood. Colin, the heroic child who entered Faerie at age twelve, is bewildered, disillusioned, on the brink of the male menopause and fighting mental health issues. He is, quite literally, wondering where the Magic went to. It isn't difficult to suspect Garner is writing an ironic postscript appropriate for all those children who devoured in media]] and Funimation's localization attitude changing drastically a few years after Dragon Ball was launched. Originally, [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Funimation heavily re-versioned the magic series to reflect western animation of ''Brisingamen'' the time]] and ''Gomrath''. And then grew up into adults, thinking back to follow strict syndication rules. When syndication ended, the magical excitement of reading Garner's adventures as kids, show was edited to be kid-friendly on TV and who today....
VHS, but was uncut on DVD. The uncut release (with blood, violence and mild swearing) is now the only version of the series available. ''[[Anime/DragonBallKai Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters]]'' and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' now both premiered on Creator/AdultSwim, with no kid-friendly version at all.



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* ''VideoGame/{{Contra}}: Shattered Soldier'', the ''VideoGame/BionicCommando'' sequels, ''VideoGame/FinalFight Streetwise'', and pretty much the entirety of ''Franchise/PrinceOfPersia'' in the last decade.
* Attempted in the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. The games' stories started out in a typical cartoony video game setting with the protagonist fighting Eggman and his army of robots. Then came ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', a DarkerAndEdgier installment with pointedly more mature themes than any previous game in the series. ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' took this even further, dealing with themes such as a corrupt military murdering innocent scientists and weapons of mass destruction. However, when ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' took this to ludicrous extents (with whiffs of WereStillRelevantDammit) and ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' was slammed for its overly convoluted plot among other things, a growing backlash towards this trend forced Sega to go back and aim for a younger audience again, especially with ''VideoGame/SonicColors'' and beyond.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Contra}}: Shattered Soldier'', Part of the ''VideoGame/BionicCommando'' sequels, ''VideoGame/FinalFight Streetwise'', and pretty much appeal of ''Film/{{Logan}}'', an R-rated [[Film/XMenFilmSeries X-Men]] spin-off, was that anyone who saw the entirety of ''Franchise/PrinceOfPersia'' in the last decade.
* Attempted in the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. The games' stories started out in a typical cartoony video game setting with the protagonist fighting Eggman and his army of robots. Then came ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', a DarkerAndEdgier installment with pointedly more mature themes than any previous game in the series. ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' took this even further, dealing with themes such
original film as a corrupt military murdering innocent scientists and weapons of mass destruction. However, when ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' took this to ludicrous extents (with whiffs of WereStillRelevantDammit) and ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' was slammed for its overly convoluted plot among other things, a growing backlash towards this trend forced Sega to go back and aim for a younger audience again, especially with ''VideoGame/SonicColors'' and beyond.
child in 2000 would be in their twenties in 2017.


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* Creator/JKRowling intentionally wrote the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series to encompass more mature and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book.
** The film's ratings reflect this. From ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' (where Harry turns 14) onward, the films would receive 12A/PG-13 ratings instead of PGs.
** And now both ''Theatre/CursedChild'' and ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' have adult protagonists and adult conflicts (contrast the depiction of child neglect/abuse in ''Philosopher's Stone'' and ''Fantastic Beasts'').
* Creator/AlanGarner wrote two fantasy novels in the early [[TheSixties nineteen-sixties]], aimed at a readership of 12 or above. [[CreatorBacklash The fact he didn't like the books very much]] meant it took him a long time to get around to writing a concluding sequel, ''Literature/{{Boneland}}''. Fifty years, to be precise. ''Boneland'' is as far away as you can possibly get from the certainties and the linear plot of ''Literature/TheMoonOfGomrath''. The book has a dark, grey, quality to it and follows one of the child-characters from the earlier books into adulthood. Colin, the heroic child who entered Faerie at age twelve, is bewildered, disillusioned, on the brink of the male menopause and fighting mental health issues. He is, quite literally, wondering where the Magic went to. It isn't difficult to suspect Garner is writing an ironic postscript for all those children who devoured the magic of ''Brisingamen'' and ''Gomrath''. And then grew up into adults, thinking back to the magical excitement of reading Garner's adventures as kids, and who today....

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* ''VideoGame/{{Contra}}: Shattered Soldier'', the ''VideoGame/BionicCommando'' sequels, ''VideoGame/FinalFight Streetwise'', and pretty much the entirety of ''Franchise/PrinceOfPersia'' in the last decade.
* Attempted in the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' series. The games' stories started out in a typical cartoony video game setting with the protagonist fighting Eggman and his army of robots. Then came ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', a DarkerAndEdgier installment with pointedly more mature themes than any previous game in the series. ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'' took this even further, dealing with themes such as a corrupt military murdering innocent scientists and weapons of mass destruction. However, when ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' took this to ludicrous extents (with whiffs of WereStillRelevantDammit) and ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' was slammed for its overly convoluted plot among other things, a growing backlash towards this trend forced Sega to go back and aim for a younger audience again, especially with ''VideoGame/SonicColors'' and beyond.

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22nd Feb '17 6:31:45 PM LadySugarQuill
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* Creator/JKRowling has stated that she intentionally wrote the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series to encompass more mature and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book. This took something of a hit during the "Three-Year Summer" after the fourth book; the audience grew quite a bit older than Harry, and so the reception began to decline.

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* Creator/JKRowling has stated that she intentionally wrote the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series to encompass more mature and scarier themes as the young readers got a little older for each book. This took something of a hit during book.
** And now both ''Theatre/CursedChild'' and ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' have adult protagonists and adult conflicts (contrast
the "Three-Year Summer" after the fourth book; the audience grew quite a bit older than Harry, depiction of child neglect/abuse in ''Philosopher's Stone'' and so the reception began to decline.''Fantastic Beasts'').
21st Feb '17 9:30:43 AM hummedwithmystery
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' with respect to ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' with respect to ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. This example is a bit more literal than most. If a 12-year-old kid watched ''A:TLA'' when it was first broadcast in 2005, they would start the first series at the same age as its protagonist, and finish ''LOK'' in 2014 at the same age as ''it's'' protagonist.
9th Jan '17 11:53:41 AM PhantomRider
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* ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' started as [[WesternAnimation/TheTransformers a daily syndicated cartoon]] based on a line of toys, TheNineties brought the DarkerAndEdgier ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', and the 2000s-2010s saw the Creator/MichaelBay live-action movies, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' (a mix of goofy, mature and ContinuityPorn), and the mature TV cartoon ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' and its followup ''WesternAnimation/TransformersRobotsInDisguise''. It usually ends up being cyclical, being scaled back once it gets too dark and the beginning the climb again.

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* ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' started as [[WesternAnimation/TheTransformers a daily syndicated cartoon]] based on a line of toys, TheNineties brought the DarkerAndEdgier ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', and the 2000s-2010s saw the Creator/MichaelBay live-action movies, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'' (a mix of goofy, mature and ContinuityPorn), and the mature TV cartoon ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' and its followup ''WesternAnimation/TransformersRobotsInDisguise''. It usually ends up being cyclical, being scaled back once it gets too dark and the then beginning the climb again.
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