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1st Nov '16 6:56:44 PM ChrisX
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* Up until ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 5'', fans seems to be fine with how Koei set it up that 'Shu = Good guys, Wu = Inbetween, Wei = CardCarryingVillain''. By ''6'', thanks to ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', the Wei forces instead started taking swings into [[AntiVillain anti-villainy]]. And then in ''7'', Shu's darker side started to show: After Wuzhang plains, Jiang Wei turned into TheFundamentalist, a fanatic to Zhuge Liang's old idea of 'world of benevolence' and continuously and futilely drains his country's resources just to fulfill that dream even if the country would rather him to just keep quiet and be at peace. And in that series' ''Xtreme Legends'', they introduced Wang Yi for Wei, a woman extremely consumed with vengeance against Shu's resident [[JusticeWillPrevail justice-bringer]] Ma Chao who slaughtered her clansmen in his campaign of vengeance against Cao Cao, [[ButForMeItWasTuesday and he wasn't even recognizing her for that]], overall painting a dark side to the 'Justice' he preaches.

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* Up until ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 5'', fans seems to be fine with how Koei set it up that 'Shu = Good guys, Wu = Inbetween, Wei = CardCarryingVillain''.CardCarryingVillain'. By ''6'', thanks to ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', the Wei forces instead started taking swings into [[AntiVillain anti-villainy]]. And then in ''7'', Shu's darker side started to show: After Wuzhang plains, Jiang Wei turned into TheFundamentalist, a fanatic to Zhuge Liang's old idea of 'world of benevolence' and continuously and futilely drains his country's resources just to fulfill that dream even if the country would rather him to just keep quiet and be at peace. And in that series' ''Xtreme Legends'', they introduced Wang Yi for Wei, a woman extremely consumed with vengeance against Shu's resident [[JusticeWillPrevail justice-bringer]] Ma Chao who slaughtered her clansmen in his campaign of vengeance against Cao Cao, [[ButForMeItWasTuesday and he wasn't even recognizing her for that]], overall painting a dark side to the 'Justice' he preaches.
1st Nov '16 6:56:19 PM ChrisX
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* Up until ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 5'', fans seems to be fine with how Koei set it up that 'Shu = Good guys, Wu = Inbetween, Wei = CardCarryingVillain''. By ''6'', thanks to ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', the Wei forces instead started taking swings into [[AntiVillain anti-villainy]]. And then in ''7'', Shu's darker side started to show: After Wuzhang plains, Jiang Wei turned into TheFundamentalist, a fanatic to Zhuge Liang's old idea of 'world of benevolence' and continuously and futilely drains his country's resources just to fulfill that dream even if the country would rather him to just keep quiet and be at peace. And in that series' ''Xtreme Legends'', they introduced Wang Yi for Wei, a woman extremely consumed with vengeance against Shu's resident [[JusticeShallPrevail justice-bringer]] Ma Chao who slaughtered her clansmen in his campaign of vengeance against Cao Cao, [[ButForMeItWasTuesday and he wasn't even recognizing her for that]], overall painting a dark side to the 'Justice' he preaches.

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* Up until ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 5'', fans seems to be fine with how Koei set it up that 'Shu = Good guys, Wu = Inbetween, Wei = CardCarryingVillain''. By ''6'', thanks to ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', the Wei forces instead started taking swings into [[AntiVillain anti-villainy]]. And then in ''7'', Shu's darker side started to show: After Wuzhang plains, Jiang Wei turned into TheFundamentalist, a fanatic to Zhuge Liang's old idea of 'world of benevolence' and continuously and futilely drains his country's resources just to fulfill that dream even if the country would rather him to just keep quiet and be at peace. And in that series' ''Xtreme Legends'', they introduced Wang Yi for Wei, a woman extremely consumed with vengeance against Shu's resident [[JusticeShallPrevail [[JusticeWillPrevail justice-bringer]] Ma Chao who slaughtered her clansmen in his campaign of vengeance against Cao Cao, [[ButForMeItWasTuesday and he wasn't even recognizing her for that]], overall painting a dark side to the 'Justice' he preaches.
1st Nov '16 6:56:01 PM ChrisX
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* Up until ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 5'', fans seems to be fine with how Koei set it up that 'Shu = Good guys, Wu = Inbetween, Wei = CardCarryingVillain''. By ''6'', thanks to ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', the Wei forces instead started taking swings into [[AntiVillain anti-villainy]]. And then in ''7'', Shu's darker side started to show: After Wuzhang plains, Jiang Wei turned into TheFundamentalist, a fanatic to Zhuge Liang's old idea of 'world of benevolence' and continuously and futilely drains his country's resources just to fulfill that dream even if the country would rather him to just keep quiet and be at peace. And in that series' ''Xtreme Legends'', they introduced Wang Yi for Wei, a woman extremely consumed with vengeance against Shu's resident [[JusticeShallPrevail justice-bringer]] Ma Chao who slaughtered her clansmen in his campaign of vengeance against Cao Cao, [[ButForMeItWasTuesday and he wasn't even recognizing her for that]], overall painting a dark side to the 'Justice' he preaches.
9th Oct '16 9:53:45 AM erforce
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* ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' already starts off as GrayAndBlackMorality, but includes distinctly white characters such as Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann. These characters gain shades of gray throughout the second and third movies. On the opposite side of the spectrum is [[spoiler:Barbossa]], who was mostly black in the first film but is just as gray as the other protagonists [[spoiler:after his resurrection by Tia Dalma.]]

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* ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' already starts off as GrayAndBlackMorality, but includes distinctly white characters such as Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann. These characters gain shades of gray throughout the second [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanDeadMansChest second]] and third [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd third]] movies. On the opposite side of the spectrum is [[spoiler:Barbossa]], who was mostly black in the [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl first film film]] but is just as gray as the other protagonists [[spoiler:after his resurrection by Tia Dalma.]]
23rd Sep '16 2:22:32 PM Jake18
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* ''VideoGame/{{Haze}}'' attempted to pull off this trope when the player defects from [[MegaCorp Mantel]] after realizing that the Promise Hand isn't as evil as he's been led to believe. Unfortunately, the developers botched it pretty badly-the Mantel troopers are ObviouslyEvil even when you're on their side while the Promise Hand faction is basically portrayed as saints.
20th Jun '16 11:25:44 AM gewunomox
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* BillyJoel's song "Shades of Grey" is about this phenomenon occurring in his RealLife.

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* BillyJoel's Music/BillyJoel's song "Shades of Grey" is about this phenomenon occurring in his RealLife.
6th May '16 1:14:48 PM StFan
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* The Captain America movies in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse received this treatment especially hard. The first movie, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger The First Avenger]]'' starts off as a straight forward BlackAndWhiteMorality World War II period flick with the titular character fighting Hydra - ANaziByAnyOtherName. The first sequel, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier The Winter Soldier]]'' has the hero fighting the spy agency S.H.I.E.L.D. [[spoiler:that was infiltrated by Hydra ever since its creation]] but the antagonist raise valid points about security vs free will in a world of superhero. Come to full blown in the third movie, ''[[CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'', the antagonist this time is Steve's own former Avengers teammates and the government over whether or not superheroes should work with the government, making it cross right into GrayAndGreyMorality.

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* The Captain America ''Captain America'' movies in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse received this treatment especially hard. The first movie, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger The First Avenger]]'' starts off as a straight forward straightforward BlackAndWhiteMorality World War II period flick with the titular title character fighting Hydra - HYDRA -- ANaziByAnyOtherName. The first sequel, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier The Winter Soldier]]'' has the hero fighting the spy agency S.H.I.E.L.D. [[spoiler:that was infiltrated by Hydra HYDRA ever since its creation]] but the antagonist raise valid points about security vs vs. free will in a world of superhero. superheroes. Come to full blown in the third movie, ''[[CaptainAmericaCivilWar ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'', the antagonist this time is Steve's own former Avengers teammates and the government over whether or not superheroes should work with the government, making it cross right into GrayAndGreyMorality.
25th Apr '16 7:42:21 PM shatterstar
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* The Captain America movies in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse received this treatment especially hard. The first movie, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger The First Avenger]]'' starts off as a straight forward BlackAndWhiteMorality World War II period flick with the titular character fighting Hydra - ANaziByAnyOtherName. The first sequel, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier The Winter Soldier]]'' has the hero fighting the spy agency S.H.I.E.L.D. [[spoiler:that was infiltrated by Hydra ever since its creation]] but the antagonist raise valid points about security vs free will in a world of superhero. Come to full blown in the third movie, ''[[CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'', the antagonist this time is Steve's own former Avengers teammates and the government over whether or not superheroes should work with the government.

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* The Captain America movies in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse received this treatment especially hard. The first movie, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger The First Avenger]]'' starts off as a straight forward BlackAndWhiteMorality World War II period flick with the titular character fighting Hydra - ANaziByAnyOtherName. The first sequel, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier The Winter Soldier]]'' has the hero fighting the spy agency S.H.I.E.L.D. [[spoiler:that was infiltrated by Hydra ever since its creation]] but the antagonist raise valid points about security vs free will in a world of superhero. Come to full blown in the third movie, ''[[CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'', the antagonist this time is Steve's own former Avengers teammates and the government over whether or not superheroes should work with the government.government, making it cross right into GrayAndGreyMorality.
25th Apr '16 7:41:44 PM shatterstar
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* The Captain America movies in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse received this treatment especially hard. The first movie, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger The First Avenger]]'' starts off as a straight forward BlackAndWhiteMorality World War II period flick with the titular character fighting Hydra - ANaziByAnyOtherName. The first sequel, ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier The Winter Soldier]]'' has the hero fighting the spy agency S.H.I.E.L.D. [[spoiler:that was infiltrated by Hydra ever since its creation]] but the antagonist raise valid points about security vs free will in a world of superhero. Come to full blown in the third movie, ''[[CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'', the antagonist this time is Steve's own former Avengers teammates and the government over whether or not superheroes should work with the government.
2nd Apr '16 12:46:10 PM Joysweeper
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* It really depends on the ending route of ''VideoGame/AviaryAttorney'' how this goes; in 4B (Égalité) [[RosseauWasRight everything seems brighter]] and in 4C (Fraternité) circumstances make the [[BlackAndWhiteMorality heroic characters more heroic and the unheroic characters much worse]]. But in 4A (Liberté) Jayjay Falcon [[spoiler: loses all his faith in justice and becomes a VigilanteMan]]. His assistant Sparrowson loses most of his ComicRelief characteristics, becomes more serious about justice, and can decide whether to let a known murderer [[spoiler: go free or burn to death, as well as whether to turn in Falcon to be tried and executed]].
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